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york city. but first let's go to nbc news digital reporter who's been on the national mall in d.c. all day. this has been going on for about a fup hours in the rain. >> reporter: yes, we're here in the rain and it seems like every time i start to talk to you it starts raining a little bit harder but people have been out here nonetheless. we've been out since 8:00 this morning. now this gathering is about to start moving at about 2:00 towards our nation's capitol but right now you can hear music playing and it is a celebration that's both political and apolitical. of course this movement in and of itself, the celebration of earth day is apolitical and organizers of the event have mentioned that to me multiple times. but innately in politics and from what we've heard from speakers on the stage, there are political things that are impacted fwhi rally. of course are the push here is for science-based policies from our federal government. and of course that extends to things like climate change, but it also extends to carbon

emissions, maybe the paris climate agreement, which san international agreement that the obama administration entered into on behalf of the united states. there's an epa concern for many of the people that i've spoken to hear. they've also referenced this idea of alternative facts from the white house, obviously something that kellyanne conway said a few months ago. really what these people are out here to say is that science matters, funding for science and research mat thaern research matters and they're about to start marching towards the white house for those ideals. >> thank you for checking in with us. meantime, president trump is looking to mark his first 100 days in office with his supporters. in fact, about an hour ago he tweeted, next saturday night i will be holding a big rally in pennsylvania. look forward to it. meanwhile, new reaction from vice president mike pence just a day after president trump promised a big reaction on tax

reform next week. here's the vice president in australia this morning. >> our corporate tax rate today is one of the highest in the developed word and it's 5% higher than the tax rate here in australia. president trump's tax plan would slash the corporate rate and reform the tax code to make it simpler, flatter, and fairer. >> but congress is coming back from recess with a looming government shut down and a new attempt by republicans to repeal and replace obamacare. president trump is spending the working weekend at the white house where he's tauting the so-called buy american hire american he signed earlier this week. here's what he said in his weekly address. >> whether it's remufrg job-killing regulations, protecting our borders, or unleashing american energy, we are keepingur promises and delivering for the american worker. >> and just a short time ago he took to twitter to announce a surprise visit to walter reed medical center. let's bring in kelly o'donnell in the what do we know about

this trip? >> this will be the first time that the president has visited walter rooetd army medical center, that is freeiently a stop for preps because, of course, men and women who have been injured and are recovering from injuries in battle or just as a course of their work in the armed services are hospitalized there. it's one of the most sophisticated army hospitals in the country. so it is something we would expect the president to do, it's note able it's the first time he's doing that. melania trump the first lady is also here in washington this weekend and she is joining him on this trip. it is unusual for the president to tweet his location before he leaves the white house. i would imagine that the secret service wondered about that because we had the positioning here of seeing the motorcade on the north side of the white house to depart. that's unusual because the south side which is the typical departure point for the president is being used for the

garden towers which garden towers which is another way that citizens can come inside and soot grounds. so a departure from the south side. road was blocked on pennsylvania avenue. and typically we don't he report where the president going for these surprise trips until he has arrived. but the president as he is known do breaks protocol or tradition and does it his own way and tweeted his zest nation in sort of a flurry of tweets perhaps as he was waiting to go. but this is an opportunity for the president as commander in chief to makes his visit. typically it's a private event, we can talk about the fact that he's going, we might see pictures of him coming in and out but in the hospital that's typically private unless the service members wish to make public that they met with the president. but this is a solemn duty for the president as commander in chief, one that's often a prequent things that commanders in chief do so this is the first

time. >> you mentioned those three tweets and one of them he repeelted his promise to unveil quote big tax reform on wednesday. any hints as to what that might look like? >> that also was a surprise to some people working with the president and those on capitol hill. knowing of course he's talked about tax reform and tax cuts as a part of his overall agenda. but he pinned it down to a big announcement, as he called it, next week that wasn't necessarily what some of his advisers were planning but of course now that is the game plan. what we do know is that specifics have not about released but the guidance i've been given is to sort of look at what he talked about as a candidate the and in that if we go back to that time frame he was talking about a corporate tax rate, no higher than 15%, individual tax rates, fewer categories, simpler tax code and a rate that wouldn't be higher than 25%. that's from the candidate period. we'll have to see what the program will look like when he unvalz it and you also mentioned plans for a rally as he pointed out next saturday night.

that is note able as well because that is the 100th day and it's also the evening where the white house koerptsz association diner is taking place and he's breaking that tradition by not attending and all of those senior staffers of the white house will not be attending either. so it's become being more of a celebration of the first amendment instead of the traditional appearance by the president. so the he'll be out at a rally when the white house press corps is doing a scholarship dinner and honoring award-winning work from the white house. >> it will be busy in this newsroom that night for sure. thank you. we have john harwood new york times political reporter. first let's talk about the 100 day milestone. john, is the president likely to score major legislative win? what are his chances of betting i don't know i'm asking you about healthcare in a week but i think i know the answer but go ahead. >> zero. >> exactly. >> he is not going to get a

healthcare plan next week, he's not going to get a tax reform plan next week. he will do well to keep the government open even if only temporarily while they work out negotiations between democrats and republicans. but the one thing that we've discovered in the 100s is that all of the things that president trump promised during the campaign that could be done quickly and that were big and that would be universally welcomed by the american people cannot be done quickly. and so he may have some significant accomplishments but it's going to take more time. >> with that said let's talk about his promise in the last hour to inn unveil a tax cut practice age by wednesday put see setting his administration up for another healthcare reform style debacle or what do you think here? >> it's interesting to watch because if you look at his tweets he's sort of dismissing the idea that 100 days is important, that he's saying that it's arbitrary yet at the same time he's trying to do so very much next week whether unveiling

this huge tax plan or bringing health care back to the hill. so it's clear even though he's saying it's not that big of a deal he's trying to jam a lot of stuff into this week and dapg off with that rally in pennsylvania. >> let me ask you about carter page here. he's reacting to a report that the russians may have used him of course continue to fill straight the trump administration saying he was not influenced by him or by them. earlier today former fbi special agent clint watts explained how russ russia operates. >> the russians don't actually have to recruit an operative. what they can do is find people that are already doing business inside russia or have business interests between russia and at united states and try and push them towards a policy stants that's favorable to that individual and to the russians. >> will the president's administration have to live with this for the foreseeable future? what's your take. >> they'll have t live with it because we've got ongoing investigations by the fbi and the house and senate and we're going to have testimony in the

coming days from sally yates, the former acting attorney general from other high profile figures in the investigation. the things that were put off when devon munez was having his trouble before he stepped away from this inquiry. those aren't going away and people are following the legislative churn on capitol hill as well as the situations in syria and north korea. but russia has not gone anywhere and isn't going to gony where i for a while. >> this is all over the papers today, trump told ap yesterday that dreamers undromted immigrants brought here as children can rest easy. i say this but a few hours earlier the justice department warning the sank tear cities threatening to withhold federal funds. is his administration, are they on the same page with these policies. >> i think people are confused living in california there's a huge population of undocumented immigrants here. and, you know, california is one

of the jurisdictions that received one of these letters. first of all what say sanctuary city in it means different ningz different places. beyond that when you start talking away federal money, legally what kind of federal money you can take away? for example los angeles goats more than $500 million for grants, that's for protecting our port, protecting the homeless, you can tak ay that money or does it have to be tied to emigratn. there's so many questions right now that people are looking for answers to and i question whether we'll even know until this goes to the courts and it seems inef vit able that will it end up in the courts. >> did you want to weigh in on that? >> i wanted to say i can tell you i had a conversation earlier this year with the mayor of chicago and he believes, as i think the mayor of new york believes that this is a bluff by the president. he said president trump has invest nents chicago, trump tower is in new york. does he want to withdraw law enforcement resources from

cities where he's got his residence, his family as well as investments? they don't think so. but we'll see what happens in the justice department and that review that the administration's undertaking. >> i hadn't heard that perspective. really "politico" was reporting on the president's free willing schedule. they say he keeps blocks of private time open for what he calls spontaneous meetings and phone call and that people still go through his bodyguard and former trump tower assistance to get him. how does this work in the white house. >> it's difficult for us to know really how it works but it's obvious that the president does many unorthodoxed things that are spontaneous and says things on the spur of the moment like yesterday when he said the tax reform was going to be announced next week when his aides were not aware of that. he watches a lot of cable tnd responds to that as we see on twitter. this is a president who does not like the confines of protocol

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a new report in "the washington post" how lisa bloom one of the women accusing bill o'reilly pushed the story into the pup realm. mission was to quote bring down bill o'reilly. he has denied the claims but has agreed to leave the network. joining me is paul farr, the media reporter for "the washington post." good afternoon to you. walk us through some of that reporting by your colleagues which centers on getting wendy

walsh and per kweeta to go public with their stories. >> it was important that they did did go public because after they broking this story in april the question was did the story have sflegz and the story had legs because lisa bloom had clients who were willing to go public, put a name, a face, a voice on these accusations and to keep it in the public sphere. the advertisers left the show, they stayed off the show in part because the media attention was as intense as it was. >> i want to play four what carolyn heldman, one of the women who has accused o'reilly of sexual harassmentd tol my colleague this week. >> we need to kw the full extent of bill o'reilly's damage to women's lives and we need to know the full extent of what happens when a corporation throws money at a problem instead of addressing it for a decade and a half and allows smin believe to be a serial sexual harasser to wreak havoc. it was a top down culture at fox

news and honestly he wasn't the only twoun sexually harass me at fox and i think they have more house clean doing. >> i should, you know, insist or just remind viewers that o'reilly certainly says all of these accusations are unfound. look at this. >> i want to double up on this. a source that told vanity fair that more women are likely to come forward, what are you hearing? >> that's our understanding that for instance lisa bloom who you mentioned earlier does have other clients, people of who called her, but i will say that this story is in its decline at this point. bill o'reilly is gone, fox has made the changes, there will be new accusations, but will anyone care quite as much as they cared when bill o'reilly was the top, you know, star on fox news? i suspect that the intense -- the intensity is going to be much less. >> you said fox has made changes. are there steps in place to crack down on this behavior?

>> i'm referring more so to the programming. >> you mean those kinds of changes not hr changes. >> of course x newsoud vowed to make changes last summer whe they got rid of roger ails for the sexual harassment allegations against him. these alsos kept coming so it's questionable as to how many changes they actually made. >> what do you make about this, you know, we talked about this earlier today that o'reilly's lawyer was saying this was an effort by the left. do you believe that or not believe that but what are you hearing as far as that's concerned? >> i think the left did not like bill o'reilly but this goes well beyond any partisan question. these were women at fox who made these accusations, these were employees who worked directly with bill o'reilly. i'm not judging whether they were true or right or any veracity to them at all, but nevertheless the accusations came from within fox. fox tried very hard to cover these up and keep them quiet. new york times, to their credit,

exposed this and the rest is history. you can, you know, say that the left pushed the story, but there was so much more to it than any one side pushing the story. >> paul, you wrote that one of the first companies to pull its ad ads is returning to the time slot. so all the talk about the fox brand being bicker than bill o'reilly. is there any sense that more advertisers will start to come back, as you were just saying that this will not go away but die down? >> i think the media attention has a lot do with how the advertisers react. when the -- when the heat is off, the advertisers will return and they're starting to do so. people were saying to me last week that they are reconsidering, they didn't say affirmatively we're going back on the air, but they did say we're reevaluating, which say good sign for fox. and let's face it, fox did not lose a lot of money directly. these advertisers were shuffled into new time slots, you know,

other than the o'reilly show. now it seems with o'reilly gone it may be safe for them to come back. >> ultimately is it a fair question to ask you if this was about advertising or the allegations? >> there's a lot of watercooler talk abouthe facthey d this because the advertisers pulled away being as a lot of them were already awa of these accusations? >> it's hard to figure out when is which, which is chicken and which is egg. the advertisers don't want to be associated with someone who is as toxic as o'reilly was in the media. the media attention was continuing, the advertisers are running scared as a result of being associated with something like that. >> all right. i have to leave it there. paul farr, thank you for the discussion today on this saturday. >> thank you. >> still ahead in the week of that dreamer's deportation to mexico, president trump seds other dreamer don't have to worry. can they take the president at his word? that's ahead.

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a new gallop poll finds people are talking more about politics at work since trump won the white house, no surprise there before you nearly 60% say they've observed more on the job political talk these days. just 8% think it's gone down since the election while about a third think it's the same. and about one in ten believe all that talk has had a negative effect at work. at this hour thousands are massed at the national mall in washington for the march for science rally. they will soon be marnling to the nation's capital to take a stand for environmental causes. one of the leading voices told "the washington post," quote, hell hath no newer u furry like a scientist's skorn. we'll talk to her next. anies in. after expanding our fiber network coast to coast. these are the places we call home. we are centurylink. we believe in the power of the digital world.

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wrapping up a meeting today with sharp words for north korea if china isn't able to rein in north korea's threats. let's go to nbc sara james in melbourne for more on this. what else did vice president pence say? >> reporter: well, there was a com frens, news conference between the price vice president and malcolm turn ball and they showed real sol daughter on this issue. indeed the veilya prime minister said australia is in lock step with the united states. the vice president saying that the time for strategic patience is over, this of course in sync with what the trump administration has had to say. and clearly there is hope that china will step up to the plate and help bring north carolina -- will help bring north korea in to line. let's have a listen to what the vice president had to say. >> the president and i have

great confidence of that china will properly deal with korea. if china is unable to deal with north korea, the united states and our allies will. >> but when it comes to north korea trying to get china involved, that's partly fallen on the australian prime minister, the vice president saying that he appreciated the united states was grateful that the australian prime minister had reached out to china. meantime, there is report here this morning local time that the foreign minister in an interview on radio here said that australia is in sync with the united states. this has brought the ire of north korea, and there is indeed this morning local time word from the foreign minister in north korea they're threatening a nuclear strike against australia because of these comments by the australian foreign minister julie bishop.

and, again, in that interview, a radio interview she said that north korea say threat to the regional security of this area and she also said that australia supports the all options on the table words of the vice president and the president of the united states. so north korea very much front and center here. >> all right. sara james, thank you. haening now, thousands are gathered on the national mall in washington for the march for science. they've been listening to a series of speakers for the last few miles per hour and are expected to begin a march to the capitol sometime around the top of the hour. but in new york the march has already started had the let's go to morgan, she's been there all day. what's happening now? >> reporter: the people are packing the streets in the. in fact this march was supposed to end two hours ago but now we're approaching time square. the rain hasn't stopped people, it's been raining off and on but people are out here and they're march willing. we're stopped right now because

there are so many people ahead of us and they're saying they're marching not only for the funding of science but also because they want to see policies that expand the research and sciences program. they say that if it weren't for research funding we wouldn't have the internet. i'm with a graduate student from columbia and what do you study? >> neuroscience. >> why did you come out today? >> the latest administration there are a lot of policies that are detrimental to science as well as the well-being of the earth and people that live on it. >> reporter: finally we can walk again. something else i wanted to ask, a lot of people have said this isn't a partisan issue, that this is about rational, this is about science. do you think it's a partisan issue? >> i mean i think that science is for everyone, of course, andly it are certainly people from both sides of the aisle who are scientists. but it is the case that, you know, this latest administration has made pushes that i think have been more detrimental to

science and maybe previous administrations have. >> reporter: and we've heard some of things like that for example when the march started up by trump international hotel and tower people were booing and they were saying they want to see donald trump impeached. and they were saying that they felt like when she saw his proposed budgeting it slashed budgets for things like nasa, the department of nerng and that's what they don't want to see go. i also spoke to another graduate student and that one was an immigrant from malaysia. he said this is about protecting immigrant doctors who have made a significant contribution to this country. so we're hearing people outside, they're supporting the science and they say that is good for america. >> shedding light on a to take this a lot of people haven't talked about that aren't in that sector of the population. thank you. we have kathleen, the president of the earth day network. let's gig dig in here and talk about what it is about this day that's seemed to engage so many people some of whom are not the so-called usual suspects you'd

see at rallies like this. can she hear us? kathleen, you can hear me. >> yes. >> okay, there we go. >> i can hear. >> you talk about why you think so many people are engaged in the rallies around the country today. >> well, i think people are really concerned about whether or not their science, their lives are being taken seriously. i don't think people are really interested in being called dishonest or lacking in integrity, so i heard you quote hell hath no furry like a science activity scorn. actually i was the one who said that a few days ago because we're really sensing that people are angry that their livelihoods, their science, their honesty is all in question. so it's a revved up crowd despite the fact that it's been

pourg rain a day and it's really a group of -- it will way beyond scientists, there are teachers and students and would-be astronauts and so everybody's joined together and of course it's earth day and the first anniversary of the climate agreement so there are climate scientists and environmentalists here as well. >> so it's a well, rounded crowd. >> kathleen, if will say singular threat to the environment to science, what is it in your opinion and how do you combat it? >> you mean questioning science? >> just a single -- a singular threat to the environment. >> sorry there's so much background news. >> so the environment what's the biggest threat? >> i'm sorry what's the -- >> the biggest threat to the environment. >> well, climate change, of course, and we're actually in the middle of the climate section here so we're really interested in promoting not just the climate agreement but also moving forward with climate so that we can take this climate

agreement seriously, move that forward, keep the finances and technology flowing around the world and keep america on top. we are a country of great ventures, abraham lincoln started the national academy of sciences, he was a republican, so we're very in making this a bipartisan effort to keep this alive. it's been a terrific day. this is also earth day so there are millions and millions of people who are around the world who are engaged in earth day. the pope tweeted out earth day. the prime minister of india tweeted out earth day. so we have millions of people here for science and also for protecting the perch. >> as you know president trump rolled back some policies and cuts to some of those agency thauz see as vital. if could you sit down with him, what would you want him to hear from you? >> i'd like to tell him and of course all of us feel that he can -- if we sat down with him we could convince him. but more than anything i talk

about jobs. this is no different than the industrial relution. we've had 150 years of people promoting science and technology. it's what built america. well now we're moving towards the green revolution and the green economy, so we have to focus on keeping american jobs, building systems, and making -- create a new generation of people who not only invent things but a well-rounded group of consumers who are interested in promoting and living of that life. and of course the next generation of people who have to inherit the earth. >> what do you hope happens after today when everyone goes home, what goes, you know, what's next after this, especially with it almost seems like a movement? >> well first of all it's earth day every day but i think there's a renewed interests in keeping in scientists committed and together. so think that's probably the most important thing. >> kathleen rogers, i know it's rainy and loud, thank you for your time. i know we snagged you. thank you. >> i'm next on stage. thanks. >> all right.

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it didn't amount to much, b a man appeared with a long knife. police stopped him, he wasn't threatening anybody, but a lot of the passengers panicked and sort of scattered because they thought maybe this was another terrorist incident. so i'd say people are on edge. i think we can definitely say that. >> i was going to say have you heard any official word on more is to come? i can only imagine the collective anxiety not knowing when or if anything could happen next. >> reporter: well, that's right. but i was talking to one of france's leading terrorist experts and he was saying, you know, it's pretty clear that the so-called islamic state wanted to try and hold these elections hostage, that it wanted to do everything it could to assert its own power and authority and disrupt these elections. and not withstanding what happened here a couple of days ago, it hasn't been able to do that. people are going to vote tomorrow. there may be dig extension, there may be problems like that, but that's not because of terrorism that's because people

are confused and concerned by all the different candidates that confront them. >> let's talk about this election sfeeking of which president trump tweet that this latest attack will have a big effect on the election. you can tell fuss it swayed voters? j joo well, i think that marine le pen and president trump seems to be kaftding himself as an admirer of marine le pen who is essentially a crypto fash shift caide, i think that she could benefit. she certainly expects that they will benefit from this nervousness. she issued a manifest toe on which she called on the current president to shut the borders, take anybody who's suspected of being a terrorist to deport them, anybody connected with terrorism and is a dual national should be stripped of their french nationality and put others in jail on preventative detention. that's the kind of thing if people are really, really scared they'll seize on that and maybe they'll vote for her.

i'm not sure people are that scared. >> is there -- what about on the othernd the spectrum, i know president obama made a phone call to the progressive candidate. is that likely to help him there? >> it's probably not going to help emmanuel macron who is kind of a justin true doe referring to the prime minister of canada. he's very middle of the road, very moderate, very thoughtful and he has not tried to capitalize on this whereas marine le pen and another of the front runners, former prime minister francois hollande have come out saying we're the ones tough on terrorism and tough on immigrants and islam. >> you mentioned that phone call between president obama we have that. >> let's take a listen and then we'll talk. >> hello. >> hello, mr. president, how are you. >> the main message i have is to wish you all the best in the -- in the coming days and make sure

that, as you said, you work hard all the way through because you never know, it might be that last day of campaigning that. >> yeah. i do agree. >> makes all the difference. >> christopher, i have to tell you here obviously in the states we haven't heard a lot from president obama. i mean, he's out and about but he's kind of kept a fairly low profile. so for something like this, i don't know how much the people there read into it, but it is something to be said about the fact that he made this call. >> reporter: well, listen, this is an important call. swlau to know is that throughout president obama's presidency, had he an approval rating here that was vastly higher than his approval rating in the united states. was often around 80% approval. people in france love obama. you know, they don't like trump at all. they think trump's nuts. obama they liked a lot. they thought he was a symbol of a kind of progressive america,

the things they want to believe about america. so this is exactly the kind of call that may help macron. >> is there any buzz as to who's the front runner that the moment. >> macron is according to polls the front runner at this moment. problem is not only the polls have generally proved unreliable over the last year, but we're leek at possible 35% abstention. we're looking at 28 to 30% people who say they're undecided. there's another percentage who say they're decided but they may change their find that r mind at the last moment. so we really don't know how this is going to turn out and four candidates are within the margin of error of each other. >> and last question here, do you think i kind of bring this full circle obviously, you know, what happened there in paris with the shoot, do you think that people are -- will be squad ultimately when they vote? >> i do, but if there's not another significant stair rift incident, i don't terrorism findly is is going to play that big a part. that doesn't mean that marine le

pen can't come in in the number one position in the first round of the elections tomorrow. i think she still has a very good chance of that. but -- and then, of course, we have two more weeks in which a lot can happen. if she's up against macron or medical len chew the left candidate in that top for. we don't know what's going to happen. >> thank you for your tliem in paris it was a good discussion. appreciate it. still ahead it could be a occasion nary tale for dreamers across america or simply a flat-out warning from uncle sam. that's next. it's over. i've found a permanent escape from monotony. together, we are perfectly balanced, our senses awake, our hearts racing as one. i know this is sudden, but they say: if you love something... set it free. see you around, giulia

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just a few moments ago, president trump awarded the purple heart to a sergeant first class who was recently injured while deployed in afghanistan. this is a picture of the president personally placing the medal. it took place at the walter reed

medical hospital in bethesda. the president and first lady are there right now visiting wounded soldiers. and now to the controversy of the deportation of a man who claims he should have been protected under daca. john kelly said on our air yesterday that there's more to the story. >> he had daca status up until i think 2018, i believe. but because of his irresponsible behavior, according to the rules set up by president obama, he lost that status. >> what are the violations that he committed? >> various things. he was convicted for theft. he had ge illegally into mexico and then we caught him coming back in. that's a felony. he also had a series of driving violations, driving without a license or something like that. >> joining me now, msnbc contributor and professor at

university of texas. victoria, can you help us, what are the facts here? what's your understanding of what happened? >> the facts are still very hazy. we see montes' lawyer saying that the facts are different, that he was deported and then tried to cross back into the united states. and the u.s. is claiming that there is a different story. but the bigger story is this environment of fear that has encompassed dreamers throughout the country. donald said, hey, dreamers need to rest easy but then we're seeing cases like this that was just cited. and then these good kids under daca status are getting targeted. this is what is generating fear. we are seeing actions different from the words that president trump is putting forward. >> help the rest of us understand. secretary kelly said he

illegally went into mexico. any idea of what he means by that? do people of daca status lose their status when they leave the country? >> yes. you would have to ask for special permission to leave, just like having a green card. so there is that question there. but the initial story coming out of juan montes' side is he was detained, went back to mexico, tried to get back into the united states after being assaulted in mexico andhat's when he got caught. so we don't know which story is right. i ink, again, the bigger picture is the uncertainty surrounding the status of dreamers. also, protection for dreamers is something that has bipartisan support. so dreamers were first proposed to be protected in 2001, bipartisan support by dick

durbin and orrin hatch. it's had political and public support. this is why it's so puzzling that we're seeing this surge in targeting dreamers. >> well, you mentioned that interview with the associated press when the president said dreamers can rest easy because the administration isn't after them, they are after the criminals. obviously we know how the dreamers perceive this. i wonder, in the early stages of daca, the program, some of those were brought here when they were children identifying themselves -- they were worried that identifying them to the government could come back to haunt them. i remember that. fast forward to know now. do you think those concerns are becoming more palpable? do they regret coming forward? >> you've hit the nail on the head. the dreamers came forward and gave all of their information, their history of where they live, family members, where they live. everything that pertains to them. if those lists were passed out

or department of homeland decid to go after them, they would have spreadsheets of that information. that's where that increased tension comes from just not knowing whether somebody is going to be taking you into detention. >> so what's your prediction in what will happen to the daca program under president trump? >> regrettably, i think we're going to see a lot more of the same. right now, even though president trump is saying that they can rest easy, you have the department of homeland security ramping up its surges on undocumented persons, regardless of protected daca status. i don't think anything is going to happen in congress. they have their hands full. they are trying to avert a government shutdown next week, trying to get health care passed. i think immigration, like many times, is pushed to the back burner and until we have an actual congressional bill, we won't see any resolution to

this. >> we'll have to leave it there. i have a feeling this is not the last that we'll be talking about this topic. it's a hot one. >> thanks so much. that wraps up this hour of msnbc live. up next, what went wrong on the sanders tour. stephanie gosk is up next.

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