for so many of us to remember going forward. gloria allred, thank you so much for your work. >> thank you. >> and for joining us as well on this saturday evening. very much appreciate it. >> sure. >> that wraps it up for me this hour here at msnbc. stay tuned for updates and breaking news, joy reid is up next. have a fantastic rest of your weekend. good morning and welcome back to "a.m. joy." this week the democratic party kicked off a unity tour starring senator bernie sanders and new dnc chair tom perez. and here's how that went on day one. >> maybe it's because you love a certain senator from vermont -- you guys, i still have two minutes left, all right? come on. maybe you came though because you're curious about the new dnc chairman and the future of the democratic -- [ audience booing ] >> so the come together and fight back tour wraps up today

in las vegas. what about that come together part? bernie sanders may not quite want to be together. >> you're on this road trip now with the head of the d inc, youe talking about reforming, transforming the democratic party. do you consider yourself a democrat? >> no. i'm an independent. >> msnbc political reporter alex sykes wall has been joining me all week and joins us now. you had a much tweeted and shared tweet that the rnc was sharing around with a bunch of other tweets called cleanup on aisle bernie. saying it's imperative to elect jon ossoff, explain. >> this was the much-watched georgia congressional election. bernie sanders was asked if jon ossoff is a progressive and bernie took a pass on that saying he doesn't know, which caused a huge backlash especially because the next day bernie sanders and keith ellison, the deputy chair of the dnc were going to omaha,

nebraska, to campaign for a mayoral candidate out there who has a kind of mixed record on abortion. that prompted a whole backlash from pro-choice groups. so a bit of a speed bump in this unity tour, but then bernie sanders put out that statement clarifying that he's supporting jon ossoff. and coincidentally and this had been planned months earlier but didn't look great, tom perez happened to be in georgia campaigning for jon ossoff at that same time all of this was going down. >> so what is the point of this tour? it is very strange. i have to say just on the outside looking in you have somebody who says sitting next to the chairman of the dnc that he's not a democrat, he has no interest in being a democrat, but yet he's on tour with the democrats. have you been able to divide what it is that bernie sanders wants out of this? >> yeah, i've been thinking about tom perez's wild ride on bernie sanders' coat tails. bernie sanders is the most popular politician in the country. he won a huge portion of the democratic primary electorate.

and tom perez recognizes that. he was not bernie sanders' favorite candidate and he wants to go out and talk to sanders people, be in front of santders people even if he gets booed. i had a chance to speak with him last night on our way to las vegas here and he said this is what he's done in every job he's come in to. he's let people vent a little bit and express their frustrations and try to show he's listening. and he says, you know, take this with a grain of salt, that for every one person who boos at him there are 400 people who want to work with him who come up to him afterwards and say he's changed their mind. for bernie sanders, i mean, he still has a very large platform. i saw somberny 2020 t-shirts yesterday. and he even sees it as a concession to be on this tour at all. he's not a democrat as you said. he had a big war with the dnc last year when he accused them of rigging the election against him. so i think he thinks that he can help the dnc help the democratic party move in a direction that he thinks will help them politically, which is more in

his direction. >> and before we go, and if it moves in that direction, does he plan to join it? >> he has not said that yet. that's been his stance forever, he's always been an independent. it's a key part of his brand. he gets accused of not being a team player but that's also what makes him great. even bernie sanders will ask him to do that but i don't know he will. >> thank you very much for your reporting, alex on that unity tour. thanks for your time. joining me president of the brooklyn naacp, howard dean, crystal ball, author of "reversing the apocalypse" and marcus ferrell. thank you all for being here. so let's start where we just left off with alex. bernie sanders to the point alex just made according to a harris poll is the most popular figure on the democratic side, even though he isn't in the party. bernie sanders has a 57% approval rating in this poll. hillary clinton is down at 42% and goes down from there.

even elizabeth warren at 38 and chuck schumer at 27. but, marcus, the question i guess a lot of democrats have is what is it that bernie sanders is trying to accomplish? he doesn't want to be in the democratic party. he doesn't want to turn over his mailing list, his e-mail list, and there's this interesting quote from "the wall street journal" that i found interesting. and i want to get your reaction to it. what he says is, this is what he said in "the wall street journal," our job is to radically transform the democratic party. it can't be just symbolic, it has to be real. it's got to be that those ideas, basically his ideas, are allowed to become the dominant theme of the democratic party and that's the choice democrats will have to make. is bernie sanders essentially holding the party hostage and say i'm going to keep my voters independent and if you want them you're going to have to adopt 100% of my platform? >> well, i don't think he's doing that. i think he actually wants to radically change the party. and he wants democrats to win. so with him wanting democrats to win, let's be honest, bernie could take his ball and go home

if he wants to. he's not doing that. what he's actually doing is trying to move the party to the left and to a direction that creates an environment where the democratic party is also as popular as bernie sanders is. i believe tom perez has a great opportunity to turn this party into something that the whole nation can get behind and the bernie crats can get behind and support. but until he starts adopting some of bernie's platform, it's going to be a little bit tough to turn them around. >> elroy, do you get the idea that sanders wants the democrats to win? >> i don't think so. i think he wants his platform and issues to win, some of which we agree with, some of the issues he's championed are some of the issues the democratic party and democratic candidates have championed before. i don't think he has an investment in the party. he says that. i believe in taking people at their word. and he says that. he doesn't have an investment. he's not a democrat. he doesn't believe in the party.

so, you know, i don't believe that he has any investment in democratic candidates per se or the party itself. >> crystal, you know, it's been at least in my twitter feed there's been a lot of consternation by a lot of women democrats that bernie sanders seems to want some democrats to win. like this gentleman heath melo, who he supported in omaha, nebraska. said if this fellow wins in nebraska that could be a shot across the board. state like nebraska shows a progressive democrat could win. willing to call this guy a progressive democrat even though this gentleman is staunchly against abortion rights. so women are saying wait a minute how is this man saying we must get behind 100% of his platform including this guy who doesn't even stand for womens rights, what do you make of it? >> well, i don't think it's any secret bernie sanders puts economics front and center and that is his primary and foremost concern. it's also why he found such success in unlikely places, why he was so popular, for example, when he came to kentucky and i was there this week is because

he put that first front and center. keep in mind back when we had control of the house of representatives, we had about 36 pro-life democrats. and we would not have things like health care reform if we didn't have those folks in place. so, look, we are going to be a pro-choice party. bernie sanders is pro-choice. but i think he's looking at 50 states and saying if we're really going to have a 50-state strategy, you have to allow people to be in a different place culturally on some of these issues as long as you're putting economics front and center. frankly, what we've done recently in the party is we've enforced purity on the cultural issues and allows anything goes on economics, right? you can be in the pocket of wall street, the pocket of silicon valley, that's all fine and good. and i think bernie sanders is trying to reverse that and it happens to be a course i agree with if we want to take back power in some of these states and if we want to get back in control in the house of representatives. >> and howard, as a former dnc chairman, would you accept that deal? that essentially all of the

cultural issues that have driven the democratic party, that have made it a multiracial party, a party of lgbt rights, all that put to the side and bernie sanders to his own quote adopt 100% of his themes take the blue plate special, give up everything else or else, would you take that deal from somebody who's not in the party? >> i wouldn't take that deal at all. i happen to agree that bernie's formula for economics is a whether or not he will lot better than donald trump's. so i don't quarrel with that. i mean, there's going to obviously be some -- you have to pay for these things somehow. and that has to be reckoned with. but to throw out what this party has done on racial justice, what this party has done for gay and lesbian americans, what this party has done for women, i think it's not possible to do that. there are moderate economic people who aren't going to agree with us. i think you have to do this to all the issues. bernie's -- crystal's right. bernie's at his core is an economic populist.

he's an essentially unreconstructed '50s leftist, which is fine. but that is not enough. that is simply not enough. in order to appeal to working class people, yes, you have to be an economic populist. if he was president of the united states right now, this country would be a lot better off than it is. but the truth is you cannot throw everybody's personal and cultural rights under the bus just for the sake of this. it has to be a big tent. we have to continue to have a big tent. >> joy, i just want to clarify. that's not what i'm advocating for here at all. i think this party needs to be first and foremost built on two pillars, economics for working class people and multiculturalism, pluralism, civil rights, equality. those are the bedrock pieces of this party. if you are there, if you are a democrat, we back you. but in places like east kentucky

and nebraska, et cetera, let's be realistic, if we want to be a coastal party, a regional party, we've got to say you have to be with us 100% on everything. but if we want to govern and pass things like health care reform and get things like supreme court nominees who will be pro-choice and support row v. wade, we have to be a big tent and allow for flexibility -- >> joy -- >> we've allowed so much flexibility on the economics and allowed people to be total tools of wall street. that's where we've allowed the flexibility and i think that's been a disaster for the country and for the party. and i think that's what bernie sanders is saying here. >> i think l. joy wants to get in. >> yeah. because part of what angers me so much about this so-called democratic unity tour is that in order to have unity, in order to unite someone, you have to have all sides at the table. and right now who's missing at that table is the democratic base, mainly people of color and specifically black women. so i don't remember getting in the mail no thank you card from the democratic party for the 94%

of black women who tried to save this country in the first place. there are no tour of going to black women and going to communities of color and asking us how do we want to reform the party and how do we want to come together along with the bernie wing of the party, along with others who have consistently voted democratic and consistently putting candidates on these issues to unite together. now what's happening is -- >> hold on. i want to get marcus in here because marcus had the job of trying to get people of color, trying to get african-americans to vote for bernie sanders. he was only able to get about 30% of the african-american vote. is it fair, i mean to l. joy's point, to say to african-americans we need to have flexibility on cultural issues to get white working class voters, but bernie sandsers is saying you have to adopt 100% of his platform. there is no flexibility on the bernie-crat side. take everything i believe in period or i won't deliver these

votes. is that fair to voters of color? >> i disagree with that, joy. bernie's not saying you need 100% of our platform. but what i will agree on is the same people who refuse to change this party and to turn this party into a more progressive party are the same folks who want to decide to reach out to african-americans a month before the election and not necessarily do the adequate amount of outreach the party needs to do. i agree completely with l. joy. until we start bringing more people of color into this equation, until we start doing authentic outreach to african-americans and latinos across the board, until there's a unity tour with african-americans, then we're missing the boat. and right now i believe this tour is basically the bernie sanders tour featuring -- >> exactly. >> -- featuring the chairman. when you start bringing more -- when we start having these places in the black neighborhoods, we have this tour in the latino neighborhoods, when we have more spanish speakers like last night, that's when we're going to start seeing

a better party. the same folks who want to keep this party conservative and moderate are the same folks who are making the decisions about not doing adequate outreach to the african-american community. >> joy, one quick point we should all keep in mind. when we're talking about working class economics, we are disproportionately talking about african-americans and in particular african-american women. so i don't want us to feel like when we're talking about -- >> so why not center black women? >> well, for example this tour, the part i went to in kentucky was in louisville, kentucky, which there are quite a few number of people of color there. that was something that was talked about. the labor movement was really centralized there again disproportionately benefits african-american men. and also women. but i just don't think that it's accurate to say we're just focusing on the white people and we're just focusing on bernie sanders piece. there was the whole range of the democratic party was in that room. the base was brought onboard. and frankly i think there's a lot that the democratic party

needs to learn from bernie sanders and the appeal he had across communities that we could draw from and use to get back in power in the house and across the country. >> so we need to learn from bernie sanders -- >> hold on, one at a time. we're going to let everybody get a very quick final word in. l. joy first, very quickly. >> i take issue with the fact we need to learn from bernie sanders how to incorporate black women -- >> that's not what i said. >> -- instead of centering the base. my issue with this is we are not centering the base voters, that we are not -- and it's not as if people of color. >> we got to go. let me get howard dean in. h howard hasn't had a chance. >> let me say you're all right, but the truth is we also do get a whole lot of people who are moderate economically. we're not talking about people connected with wall street and all that kind of stuff. we'll leave that to the trump republicans. but we do get people who are moderate on economics. so this is a tough one. i like the notion of the points

we got to go everywhere. and i do believe we have absolutely neglected our black and latino base. and we cannot go to them one year, one month before. so let's see how this tour goes out. i think it's a great idea. let's just keep it up. let's see how it goes for the next two months. >> yep. we got to go. this is a good one. we have to bring you guys all back and keep this going. i wish we had more time. you guys are great. thank you very much. stay right there. the clinton book that has america talking is next. don't let dust and allergens get between you and life's beautiful moments. flonase allergy relief delivers more complete relief. flonase helps block 6 key inflammatory substances that cause all your symptoms, including nasal congestion and itchy, watery eyes. flonase is an allergy nasal spray that works even beyond the nose. so you can enjoy every beautiful moment to the fullest. flonase. 6>1 changes everything.

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and it seems to be working. donlds has signalled to putin he will let russia do whatever it wants. the u.s. intelligence community has now confirmed that the russian government, which means putin, is directing cyber attacks in the united states to influence the outcome of our election. >> since november many have tried to answer the question, how did hillary clinton lose to donald trump. one theory points to russia's alleged hacking of the election, which is the subject of multiple ongoing government investigations with new details emerging every day. but to answer that overarching question, the newly released book "shattered" goes all the way back to the mood in the campaign after clinton lost the michigan primary. quote, this person ultimately responsible for those decision, the one whose name was on the ticket, hadn't corrected these problems, all of which had been brought to our attention before primary day. she'd stuck with the plan and it

cost her. joining me now jonathan allen, head of content at sidewire, and amy parns, senior white house correspondent for the hill. and they are the co-authors of "shattered," inside hillary clinton's doomed campaign. thank you both for being here. amy, i'll go with you first. your book shows the clinton team internal wrangling about why they lost the michigan primary. what did they believe cost them michigan? >> you know, that's an interesting little anecdote that we have in the book. post michigan we have a story where secretary clinton comes in the room and she's really frustrated about what happened there. she's saying our message didn't get through, we need to do a better job with that. that was one of the big tension points in the primary explained to us by her aides that she didn't quite understand what was happening there, why she couldn't really penetrate and get through that particular message.

>> but what was specifically a question of whether or not they were going after enough white working class voters versus voters of color, right? >> exactly. and there was always this tension. they relied a lot on -- our book kind of reveals this, they relied a lot on data and analytics. and kind of gave up a little bit on traditional polling. i think a lot of people explain to us you really try to do both. i think that was a problem for them in the campaign. >> jonathan allen, there's a pretty extraordinary excerpt from your book that says even trying to create a slogan and a rallying cry for the campaign was problematic and said they were stumped for months about how to explain why their candidate wanted to be president. clinton staffers began toying with the idea of seeing how because it's her turn might fly as a public rallying cry. that happened? >> i think that broadly they had a lot of problems coming up with

the slogan they wanted to go with. the real issue here wh we talk about this in the book in depth, the candidate herself hadn't really come up with a rationale for her own candidacy that was sort of the overarching thing, clear easy thing for vote toers grab onto that they could fit everything else underneath of. joy, a lot of attention goes to the sort of juicy tidbits, of course that makes sense when a book first comes out. but there's a lot of depth to this story. it takes you through the sort of roller coaster. amy was just talking about the michigan primary and how disappointing that was for hillary clinton. how many harbingers there were in that, and particularly she lost white women. which was a huge shock to her campaign. with all the numbers they were playing with, they had no idea they were about to lose white women in michigan. but there were also a lot of high points in this book that -- during the course of the campaign people are starting to

find as they actually read the book and not just the excerpts that come out the huge primary victory on march 15th where she took missouri, illinois, florida, north carolina and ohio. they were not expected to win all those states. that pretty much put the primary away in terms of math even though it continued on for a long time. she hit it out of the park in terms of the three debates. and pretty much many of those moments throughout the campaign that were highly tense, the benghazi hearings for instance, i think when people read this book they're going to see there are a lot of positive moments for hillary clinton through the course of it but also a lot of lessons not only for democrats going forward about how to run campaigns but pretty much any candidate interested in running for office and anybody who loves politics. >> amy, there's a -- there are the externals and the internals. i think the big debate about your book is how much is being put on the onus on the campaign sort of inner workings and dysfunction and how much is being put on external things like russian interference. >> right.

>> and also the e-mails. jonathan has written a lot about this the sort of obsession the media has with clintons a scandal bucket, anything they do is suspect. there was a piece in your book where it talks about bill clinton not wanting hillary clinton to apologize for the server. and to rather explain it. explain that a little bit. >> yeah, you know, there was a lot of debate about what she needed to do with the e-mail issue. and it took up a lot of oxygen that sumner 2015. they were trying, she had just launched her campaign, big speech at roosevelt island. they couldn't quite get their message across. it was completely overshadowed by e-mail. so there was this big debate internally about what they do and how they handle it. i think they both thought for a while they shouldn't apologize, that what they did was above level and that they didn't really need to do that. and i know a lot of her aides were kind of pushing them in the direction and felt that they should acknowledge it and

apologize. finally they got to a place where they had to because i think she had to acknowledge it and move on and put it behind her and continue on with her campaign. but it was like a source of frustration, i think, for a while particularly that summer. >> yeah. and, jonathan, in the previous segment before you guys were on we were having a big debate that the democrat party is still having about these various constituencies they have to balance out. fascinating story in your book about chris van hollen of course running for senate in maryland and this decision essentially that you had a question of whether or not if people did too good of a job of getting out black voters whether it would hurt van hollen so he was trying to protect himself by not pushing to have more black voters come out. and she has a quote, who gives an f about chris van hollen, what are we going to do to fix this, and she essentially says do you want another friend in the senate or white house? in that case siding with black voters over the fact of not getting them out. talking about the tension between trying to get out union votes and white working class

voters and voters of color. >> that's exactly right. so at this point in the campaign it's april of 2016 and clinton is trying to put bernie sanders away. she knows she's going to win maryland but wants to run up the score. for her to do that she's going to want a huge african-american turnout, particularly in baltimore and prince george's county where the sort of big african-american population centers in the state of maryland. and baltimore is a particularly good place to find union members who are african-american. van hollen is running against donna edwards, a fellow house member in a primary, and donna edwards african-american, van hollen who is white, for him huge african-american turnout in baltimore could have put donna edwards over the top. so there was tension between what clinton needs and what van hollen needs. van hollen has said he did nothing -- i should say since the book came out, van hollen said he did nothing to suppress the vote there. but obviously his interest was not to have a larger vote. and hillary clinton's reaction

to that was as you showed, f chris van hollen. she's basically saying i'm the candidate, the presidency matters, not the senate seat. >> wow, interesting book. jonathan allen and amy parnes with a hot book out right now. thank you very much for being here. it's called "shattered." thank you. >> thank you, joy. up next, donald trump's ever expanding war on immigration. brian, i just need to know if the customer app will be live monday. can we at least analyze customer traffic? can we push the offer online?

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like -- a country is more than an economy. we're a civic society. >> that was donald trump and stephen bannon back in 2015 before their rapid assent to the white house. bannon, then the chairman of the alt-right blog breitbart, inaccurately claimed that silicon valley ceos were majority asian and suggested that highly skilled workers from asia are taking american jobs. fast forward to 2017, trump is now president and his -- with his 100-day mark looming and rather desperate for some accomplishments, he hit the road hocking the economic populism that drove his campaign but which he's largely dropped in favor of policies favoring the uber rich and far right. on tuesday he swung through kenosha, wisconsin, in front of an american flag fashioned out of wrenches no less and to target once again immigrants as the source of our economic woes. >> right now widespread abuse in our immigration system is allowing american workers of all backgrounds to be replaced by

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from a muslim ban to building a wall, donald trump's war on immigrants has been a signature component of his first 100 days. this week his ire was focused on the highly skilled foreign workers who've helped to propel companies in silicon valley like google, intel, notably both of these companies were also founded by immigrants. trump has signed an executive order aimed at re-examining the h1b visa that allows american companies to employ, says the program undercuts american jobs by using cheaper international employees. but tech leaders are anxious to keep it. joining me now is democratic representative ted lieu of right here in the wonderful state of california. this buy american, hire american act, congressman, what does it do? >> the executive order signed by

the president does virtually nothing. i'm very familiar with the buy american act when i served on active duty in the air force i worked on some of these issues. the executive order says it's going to be the policy of the executive branch to have a preference for american products. that's the law. congress passed law in 1933 saying exactly that. so basically the executive order says follow the law. yeah, but really does nothing. it's just show, no substance. >> we already know that the keystone pipeline and the pipelines being built are being built with russian steel and imported steel, we're not using american products there, donald trump employs mostly foreign workforce at mar-a-lago, he's not going after that. and he's even wrong about two-thirds he says two-thirds or three-quarters of the ceos in silicon valley is not even true, asians are about 27% of all professionals and 13.9% of executives. white men are 100% more likely than asian men to be an executive and 60% more likely than asian women to be an

executive. so there is no takeover by asian -- whether the asian americans or from southeast asia of silicon valley. >> that's correct. keep in mind blue collar workers and ohio and wisconsin are not losing foreign jobs to computer scientists from foreign countries. these tech companies need these positions because if you're a computer scientist in america, you're in high demand. and we really need to focus on making sure these tech companies can continue to prosper and grow. >> and california has a world class university system that attracts a lot of international students. are you seeing any sort of backlash from the rhetoric coming out of the white house in terms of being able to attract that kind of talent into the universities here? >> anecdotally i've talked to several universities and they're seeing less graduate students apply. and that's bad because if you have any country that doesn't have immigration, they stagnate. the ones that do well are countries like america where we have immigrants that renew our country, provide innovation and growth. but there's also a high level of

hypocrisy with this executive order because donald trump makes a lot of his products overseas. >> yeah. i don't think any of his products are made in the united states. i think they're all made in mexico and china. >> that's why i don't buy any items from the donald j. trump collection. >> you look great. your suit looks good. there's also a dark side to all of this rhetoric targeting people of color including asian americans. there's been an increase in hate crimes against people of asian descent. a group tracking and exposing these hate incidents and finding 130 reports of hate crimes and incidents just since january. >> the segment you played with the interchange with president trump and steve bannon does show a very troubling aspect to this white house, which is you've got steve bannon, a principle advisor having racist views. he views that having too many asian americans in for example silicon valley is bad. no, that's just american. even if it were true, it would just be american. and to discriminate against people based on their race is offensive and it gives license for people to start engaging in

hate crimes. >> is there anything that congress is doing to speak up about the fact that you not only have bannon and steven miller and michael anton and sebastian gorco affiliated with the nazi organization and also jeff sessions agrees with steve bannon 100% on immigration, there's nothing the congress can do about them being there, but have you heard a cry from other members that they're meeting with these people in the room? >> you're absolutely seeing a reaction from the american people. we have an amazing womens march, march for science today, you have people pushing back. it's very clear to me that there's a huge reaction to the racism and bigotry coming out of the white house. >> and i want to show you had a large town hall and of course you used -- you're one of our favorites in terms of twitter, you're great on twitter. and you trolled donald trump as you want to do and said this is a bigly crowd at my town hall last night. what was the biggest issue for people as they were standing up and talking to you at this town hall? >> everything. they were very concerned about the environment. they were concerned about the repeal of the affordable care act and replacing it with a far

worse law. they were concerned about the president having no strategy on north korea and syria. so we are in some dangerous times. and i urge everyone to get involved and to take action. >> yeah. as far as you know since you are in congress, are we going to get any progress from congress and actually standing up to the administration and using its article 1 powers to redress some of these issues? >> so one reason the affordable care act was not replaced because all the democrats stuck together and said we're not going to support a far worse trump care piece of legislation. so as long as that happens i think we still have enormous leverage in congress. >> congressman ted lieu, thank you very much. always a pleasure. >> thank you. >> appreciate you being here. coming up at the top of the hour, the latest on the massive rallies for science taking place in washington, d.c. and in hundreds of cities around the world. but up next, enjoy the famous and very funny kathy griffin fresh from ted lieu's town hall is going to join us live in studio in a minute.

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and finally tonight, pinheads and patriots, comedian kathy griffin, not a big fan of fox news, but apparently her mom is. >> my mother loves fox news and she loves bill o'reilly. we get into big fights about it. she calls bill o'reilly her boyfriend because she's crazy. >> her mom certainly not crazy, she's a patriot.

>> kathy griffin's mom may have to do some channel surfing now that bill o'reilly's been booted from fox news. and joining me now is i aforementioned kathy griffin, author of clebty griffin, my friend. >> oh, joy. >> how is your mom doing? >> i'm not speaking to her. first of all, she's drunk right now. she dumped o'reilly for hannity for nothing. she also thinks tucker carlson is real. she's 96. we thought we were done with him. and also she thinks that judge is real too. the one that wears off the shoulder dresses. >> the evening gown. >> the one who has that voice where she's like, we are at war. that one. she loves her because old people like people who shout. >> it's probably helpful. >> i think that's fox's biggest draw, seriously. they know to shout at my mother and she can't hear other networks as well. >> that makes a lot of sense. we need to up the volume on everything. now comedians obviously your profession had a field day with

bill o'reilly. >> yes. >> i'll play a montage of some of our compatriots giving him the late night business. >> oh, good. >> if you behave like an animal who sexually harassing women, you can't host a talk show. you be president, but you can't host a talk show. >> fox news -- [ applause ]. >> decided to extend bill's vacation to forever. of all the jobs president trump promised to create, you wouldn't think bill o'reilly's would be one of them. >> listen, in case -- don't forget. in case you're a fan of sexual harassers who are on tv all the time, we still have donald trump. >> is there anybody -- besides donald trump as funny for you guys? he is such great fodder, bill o'reilly. >> oh, yes. i'm not afraid to go too far. i'm not afraid to offend and i'll go to the science march after this. >> excellent. >> and i have a sign that says would baron drink flint water? i'm not saying it's going to be

popular with some people. >> it's not going to be popular with some people. >> it will be noticeable and someone will chuckle. i chose last weekend in lake charles, louisiana, the thing i was surprised about -- every show like that in the bible belt, deep south, how deep can i go on trump? the week before i was in ohio and pittsburgh and the audiences were great, lake charles, louisiana and ba luxsy, the progressive folks made the drive. our girl is coming to town or something. honestly i could really go for trump. i was making fun of his nest and the whole, you know, how he fut melania in that crate and shipped her over. i can't prove that. but i think my parents are immigrants. >> some people. >> people have said. >> every time i talk to you about your tour, it kind of gives me hope. i wonder whether or not what you see throughout? you talk to americans in the real world. >> i don't know. i'm going to be candid. i don't know when i play my beloved ohio. i played columbus and cincinnati

and, you know, i always pass this one fricken' house that has a giant confederate flag on the roof. for years i've been passing this one house. sometimes i'll drive show to show. and the whole audience knows it in every city in ohio. that's my joke. all right, sit a go fund me page? like what's going on? is it -- you know, please don't tell me it's a museum. i do. i want people to know i travel the real america, 50 cities this year alone, 80 cities last year. i love it. it's my favorite thing to do is tour. a great thing about it is lirning what people are really concerned about. i'm actually glad that people are sort of allowing me to make so much fun of truch because now they're actually all aware of the policies. my act has shifted. three years ago it was probably all "housewives" and account kardashians." people still want to talk about kardashians and housewives, but people -- everybody knows, everybody knows all the kellyanne conway too much gucci, you know what i mean, the head to toe.

>> and the gucci that was a general jacket. >> it was the civil war. it was uncomfortable. >> one of the -- >> everyone knows that steve bannon does weekend meth. allegedly. >> some people say. >> i think it's full-time but it could be weekend casual. >> as long as you say allegedly i've heard from people. >> you also recently were at our good friend ted lou's town hall. >> i'll tell you, i'm a hillary person. okay? [ cheers and applause ]. >> it doesn't mean i don't also love bernie, okay? i feel you hate me. we have to stay together. we really are like minded. no more than infighting. >> this unity towards -- how can democrats get together? >> it's my biggest fear. when i went to the town hall,

there was berners, busters, hillary people, independents. it was great to talk to everybody. my biggest fear is there's still a real divisions understatement. but, you know, what i'm confused with is what's it going to take to make all of us realize we actually do have the same -- we are very like minded on almost every issue. like, i would guess that most democrats, if they thought single payer was doable easily, we would all be for single payer. when i hear the former trumpers at town halls, once they understand what the aca-s wait a minute, i want single payer. so i just -- my issue is when i saw dianne feinstein being booed at a town hall, tom perez being booed at a town hall by democrats, barbara boxer, diane and barbara the first senators in california booed, i'm asking my democrat friends, i'm a 56-year-old man. i'm a very male-dominated field.

i don't make close to 80 cents on the dollars. i wish. i'm asking folks to -- i know nobody wants patience. i lived a life where sometimes things happen quickly and sometimes it's a slog, but i for one -- i'm looking at the georgia sixth and the kansas fourth, i see that as progress. >> you're going to the science march. what do you hope comes out of that science march? >> i hope that more people talk about it and i think what's cool about the science march is you're going to see people march -- most of the people saying they're going are saying i've never been to a march, a science march. i'm looking forward to talking to people, learning, laughing, shared experiences. >> absolutely. >> indivisible group, telling people what groups are out there they like or don't like. >> you know they'll definitely be laughing if you're there. my fabulous friend kathy griffin. thank you so much for being here. >> resist with humor. >> that is our show for the day. join us tomorrow at 10:00 a.m. eastern. ♪ nah. what else?

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