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>> good morning and welcome to politics nation. coming to you today from las vegas. the trump presidency will reach its 100-day mark later this week. and for every big promise this white house has been unable to accomplish in its first three months, its efforts to reback yea years -- roll back years of civil injustice have been gang busters. for that, you can thank jeff sessions, attorney general, who has taken cues from president trump's doom-laden assessment to the country has been either dismantling mostly obama era initiatives, or ratcheting up the trump era attacks on everything from police reform to the rights of illegal immigrants. he's come down on consent dec e decrees despite proof that they help police departments engage

with distrustful communities. he's pledged to ramp up arrests on illegal immigrants. despite immigration arrests already being at a high. and he's pledged to return to the harsh sentencing laws that have defined the war on drugs despite violent crime being at a historical low. as i've said in recent weeks, and will continue to say, the sessions justice department is using the ideological cover that propelled donald trump to the white house to turn back the clock on social justice. joining me now is a visiting scholar at colombia university, and a reverend of middle collegiate church, and the

senior national correspondent for mtv news. he wrote a story this week titled systemmatic racism, still a thing. in this, the 21st century, such advances that we had hoped for. some we saw under president obama. some we didn't. you're saying systematic racism is still a thing in your piece. expound on that. if i'm watching in middle america, i'm saying what is he talking about? why do they keep complaining? >> well, i think we need to explain that where racism is. it's everywhere. it can be found in your paycheck. it can be found in the water in flint, michigan. racism can be used to elect presidents. the point is we need to understand it lives in our voting systems, in our everyday lives. what we need to do is help

people understand exactly how it affects them and that people are not crying wolf every day when they complain about the system working against them through identity-based disparity. >> when you do the measures, paycheck to paycheck, and where people get tainted water, or water with high led poisoning, or health disparities. if you deal with the dispar thety by numbers, we're not talking now about ideology or philosophy or tactics, by the data, there is that is where race is a real factor in american life. but you and many theologians and scholars, some of whom are joining me this week at a convention, you're saying that what makes people comfortable about this is almost a spiritual and cultural acceptance?

>> yeah. i think that's important to keep in mind that we're talking about white supremacist ideology. we're not just talking about instances of racial discrimination. and white supremacists ideology as jamile said, it perm nateate everything. it calls for the subordination of people of color to the power of the white powers that be. it's insidious. the last vestiges of defactor, white supremacy really not dismantled in this country until 1968. it continues in a strong way. by the way, donald trump, though he has no core principles of the selfishness, he is calling up every white supremacist chip that he can.

every dog whistle chip he can. >> but reverend dr. smith, when you hear this kind of white supremacy that is being addressed by professor hendricks and jamile, why are so many whites who really are not bigots or racists or biassed, why are they comfortable with not confronting it or dealing with it, and how do you wake them up? i think a lot of people we talk about now we awoke, but how do we get the public woke that is comfortable with this disparity and this kind of feeling that it's all right that you have a privileged group in the country, and, therefore, others are disenfranchised or treated less than equal which is against what they claim the country was about from the beginning. >> that's a really great question. dr. lewis here, yeah, i serve a

multiracial church in manhattan. we're clear that america has forgotten what it means to be christian. we say we follow jesus into the world to heal it. but i'd like to think jesus can be too white and too empired for us to understand. the jesus that is created by the white church blesses man test destiny, believes that might should win. believes that because, quote, folks are chosen, that they have more money, more assets, more wealth, better education. but brother yeshuwa came to life as a religious minority, a brown-skinned palestinian man who understood he needed to resist. i think the wakeup call for all of us is remembering who we follow in the ministry. to remember the one who said the

first should be first and the last should be first. the one who enfranchised those disenfranchised. i think if lab by yeshua was working he'd say put black and brown young people and women and the disenfranchised in the center of american life. that's what faith calls us to do. >> that's fascinating. professor, back to you, and then jamile. what she's saying is we're really not honoring or worshipping, those of us that profess to be christian, the jesus in terms of what jesus preached and represented even though we call ourselves christian, when we asllow inequality. how does this relate to jeff sessions?

how do you relate that to jeff sessions and what's going on at the white house, and as i open up the immigration laws. what does this have to do with each other? >> i think to the point to what i call the ideological christianity, faith in this country is refracted through the interests, through white supremacist east interests, and that is why people can call themselves christians on one hand and care nothing about poor folks. jesus talked about poor them more than anything else. they talk about christians and not talk about poor folks. they can support discriminatory laws because they sacrelizes their every action. they can justify every action through this lens of this ideological christianity, which as we know, is not christianity

at all. it is really just politics. it is just just us, not justice, the it's just us. >> but what makes it supremacy? if i am saying that jeff sessions is rolling back civil rights, and i am saying that, and social justice, and i am saying that, and i'm showed the clip about what he said this week about immigration, and consent decree, i'm trying to connect the dots for people that are viewers that don't understand, that are not activis activists, not scholars. how is that leading to a racist or supremist outcome, if it does? >> first of all, you have to understand that jeff sessions is working, i think faster than anybody else in the trump administration to roll back civil rights and to actually exacerbate systemic racism throughout america. you look at the withdrawal of federal opposition to voter i.d.

laws. discriminatory voter i.d. laws. you look at his call for -- >> these have been found to be discriminatory? >> yes. >> he said he's going to not fight them in court. this is proven discrimination. i'm trying to have our viewers understand this is not just rhetoric from civil rights activis activists. we're going with things he's announcing as we go down this week. >> he's like a cancer. i'm sorry. i want to jump in there. i think what we're seeing is the continuation of what is an american problem which is that racism, white supremacy, it's a cancer that ravages the politics. the it's an ethical, moral, ethical call to revolutionary love for us to have the ability to analyze, to see, to not forget. it's like this cancer. it won't die.

civil rights act, it won't die. voters right act, it won't die. the the election of president obama, it won't die. and these white people, jeff sessions, trump, this administration, will use everything in their power to keep black, brown immigrant marginal people out of the margins, because it's in their self interest to do so. >> we have to leave it there. i think there's a lot of white people that will fight to keep it going if we can explain in clear language and mobilize in a strategic way why and what this really means. that's why we wanted to have this discussion. because i don't think that every american really understands that we're not just talking party politics here. we're talking about people's rights. we're talking about immigrants. we're talking about women that are treated differently, and we can't have a nation like that.

thank you to you all. coming up, we're just six days away from president trump's 100th day in office, but now he says it's not an important milestone. how does trump compare to other presidents? stay with us. this is "politics nation" on msnbc. poor mouth breather.

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we'll see what happens. no particular rush, but we'll see what happens. but health care is coming along well. government is coming along really well. a lot of good thing are happening. thank you, folks. >> welcome back to politics

nation. before he took office, donald trump set out a, quote, contract with the american voter. that included another quote. 100-day action plan. those were his words. well, here we are at day 94 to help us sort through the failures and the accomplishments of the first 100 days is yamy sh, alsenda. i talked a lot about the social justice civil rights angle which clearly i and a lot of the show gears toward. but in the broad american agenda which that is part of, give me your assessment of the first 100 days. he's failed to bring about the repeal and replace of obama

care. couldn't even get it to the floor. we've not seen any real movement in tax reform. we've seen him drop the mother of all bombs. we've seen the air strike in syria. it seems like there is a lot of failure domestically, movement otherwise. how do you assess this first 100 days then all of a sudden he says does it matter, even though he had a 100-day plan of action. >> i look at two things. both how the beltway and how what democrats and republicans view the administration. and also how regular people who have been out when i've been out reporting look at him. when i talk to trump supporters and people who are even not trump supporters, in some ways he's followed through in big promises. he tried to implement the muslim ban and crack down on the way the department of justice is run in terms of policing. his stance on immigration and the idea he has a plan or is

following through with the idea of building a wall. that scurtailing of civil right people think he's doing, supporters saying they want to see more crackdowns on immigrati immigration, they feel like he's moving toward the promise. and then in the beltway, the idea he's saying he might be able to get health care threw and work on tax reform. the republicans seem frustrated. they understand we're marching toward a big goal and they have nothing to show for it in terms of bills and what they've done to change the country. because you have a president that's been signing executive orders left and right and has been getting coverage of those executive orders, it seems as though outside of the beltway, it's seen as though he's made some big changes. in reality both his party and democrats understand the executive orders haven't had much of an impact. >> there's a lot of cosmetics.

at the end of the day, what happens when he's moving on the immigration question, when he's moving on the police question in terms of stopping police reform, and then people in mining communities still don't have their jobs and others that he's promised that it is they that are taking out jobs. that's why we have to go after the imimmigrants, and they're n there, and in some cases they find automation has taken their job. in other cases he has nothing to do with the pariah he's made out of those that are here illegally. we're hearing some of the people that were in some of the areas strongly in support of donald trump saying i don't know now. i'm not feeling any change. and the promise that we saw in the first 100 days of other

presidents is just not there if you look at the poll numbers. you don't really see the kind of public enthusiasm for donald trump that you saw in the first 100 days of a lot of the recent presidents. >> well, as you know, president trump has historically low approval ratings if you ask america as a whole. with his base, the poll numbers show his base is sticking with him. going to ohio and strongholds that voted for him because they wanted to see economic change and make america great to them means they want to see less immigrants coming into their country and they want to see some of their steel jobs come back. those people are still excited about donald trump. i interviewed someone with federal money used to repair their home. and that money would be taken away. i asked them what do you think that the president is taking away things that helped you. they said if it needs not having my bathroom repaired but having

less mexicans in the country, i pick that. there are people excited about him doing these things. people in the borderline states are interested in immigration in a way that doesn't affect their daily lives. >> i have to leave it there. thank you very much. i guess i thank you. not a balanced picture. we'll see in terms of where it goes. it seems like america is still very much divided with one side really supporting him and the other side frightened and angry, but thank you for your reporting which has been excellent. >> up next, i was one of many of his targets, but now fox news bill o'reilly will have the to take his racial hatred to a different platform. my very personal take on this story when we come back. (announcer vo) when you have type 2 diabetes

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now for this week's goch cha. a very special edition. right now we all know that right wing media fixture bill o'reilly was ousted this week from his position as the fox news channel's top draw. the decision came down as advertisers continued to pull out of mr. o'reilly's show, fleeing the fall out from a new york times story about the various sexual harassment allegations levelled against him over a 15-year span. o'reilly, of course, denied any wrong doing. i won't expound on the details of the allegations against mr. o'reill o'reilly, for the millions of dollars fox news paid out to silence his accusers. i'm here with a different and

admittedly personal take on the o'reilly ouster. for 21 very long years at fox news, mr. o'reilly demonized almost every group that wasn't made up of straight white christian conservative men. it was his bread and butter. >> many of them are ill educated and have tattoos on their foreheads, and how are you -- i hate to be generalized about it, but it's true. >> the white establishment is now the minority. and the voters, many of them, feel that the economic system is stacked against them, and they want stuff. >> i didn't hear a word she said. i was looking at the james brown wig. >> coming up, power taken away from the white establishment. they want a change in the way america is run. >> slaves that were there were

well fed and had decent lodgings provided by the government. >> that's right. he said all of that, and with fighting words like that, is it any surprise that mr. o'reilly made a special target of yours truly? >> he's a dishonest, a man who could not care less about reporting what's true. al sharpton has the nerve to insult the american police community. al sharpton is in business with people who cut out entertainment harmful to children. charlot sharpton only cares about his self engrandizement. >> several years ago i was on his show expressing my view with the disappropriation with dr.

king's legacy. i hope he's watching now. the arc of the universe, the moral universe is long. but it bends toward justice. in this case, that's a polite way to frame it. for a less cordial expression, i'll turn to brother malcolm x who talked about chickens coming home to roost. both men were essentially saying the same thing. or as we would say in brooklyn, pay back's a mother. mr. o'reilly, you had the highest rated prime time cable program in the country for several years. you did this by flirting with white nationalism and as long as your bosses were happy, you appeared to be untouchable, but as you of all people should know, money talks. and this week it told even you

to shut up. so while you made a great on air foil for all these years, i've got to step aside and give the props to three forces that did something i and others couldn't. one, to karma. two, to capitalism, and three, the brave women who came forward and may continue to do so, because this week all three got you. and when we come back, we'll learn more about how they did it.

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he became the spokesman for the right wing in this whole kind of going back to the precivil rights days in my judgment. i think he certainly promoted a

very clear and in no way nuanced white nationalism. >> that was me wednesday with my colleague chris hayes discussing the fallout of bill o'reilly's ousting from fox news earlier this week. in the space of a year, the fox news channel has lost both its former ceo, roger ailes and now the it's biggest star in bill o'reilly. both over mounting allegations of sexual harassment. the very cultured fox news which helped to vault donald trump into the white house, is now under scrutiny. join me now is joe madison, heidi harris, and amanda terkle.

amanda, the politics of this on fox news absolutely impacted the body politic of this country, absolutely affected the elections of the senate, the congress, and the president. now they've lost as i just said, their ceo, and their main star within a year. what's the political ramifications of this? >> right. bill o'reilly was a guy who donald trump just recently said was a good guy. he didn't do anything wrong. he was friends with roger ailes and bill o'reilly. i feel like politically this really gives sort of more momentum to this movement, especially of women we saw after the election with the women's march. women who i think were really upset that donald trump got elected and some of the dialogue around sexual harassment and sexual assault helped get roger

ailes and bill o'reilly out of fox news. fox is a mess. they're trying to figure out how to navigate some of the new conserve thetive movement, and fox news is not totally sure where it's going. >> well, what will that do to the conservatives and the right wing movement on the ground that now has both the white house and the senate and congress and heading in a few months into the midterm elections? how does this do this? because you deal with the sexual allegations as amanda said with roger ailes and bill o'reilly, but they're saying many on the right, this is a left wing conspiracy, but i don't see these allegations against sean hannity or tucker carlson. there are more on the right that have not been targeted with these kinds of allegations. are they using this as an

excuse, and it can hurt the right and that whole conservative movement because of personal indiscretions, possibly? >> you're enjoying this, aren't you, al? do you have your tap shoes on dancing on the grave? >> oh, no. i wouldn't dance on people's graves. >> okay. i know. i'm teasing you. i think it will be interesting to see what happens with the so-called conserve thetive movement. a lot of people have felt fox has been going to the middle. o'reilly was not straight down the line conservativconservativ. i think it will be fascinating to see. tucker carlson has done well. now he's going to take over for o'reilly. ultimately graveyards are full of people who can't be replaced. all of us can be replaced in a second and the world will go on without us. >> which is why we shouldn't dance on anyone's grave. you're right. but joe, you can't say that this

is not a black eye to the movement of conservatives/libertarian in some cases with bill o'reilly, but i think of conservative and an arch conservative on many issues. this gives them a black eye because he was their leading star on television. there's no way of denying that. >> and this is probably what we would refer to as neo conservatives. you do have a split in the conservative movement. these aren't your buckley conservatives, your george will conservatives. these conservatives have a neanderthal kind of mentally. fox is having the problem with

the protest of women and the fact that they're major consumers, but also capitalism drove bill o'reilly out. for years, maybe decades, what fox did was put profit ahead of decency. and now you have a generation in the 21 st century of women and men for that matter, conservative liberal, progressive, whatever you want to call them, who no longer have this neanderthal attitude about women. they're not putting up with indescent activities, and the reality is here you look at two men who have been paid over $65 million. they really should have got jail time. >> amanda, the fact is, the

disturbing fact, they will litigate, i guess in some cases they have the charges and allegations in terms of roger ailes and o'reilly. we're not assessing that. but i think that the disturbing part for me that i've been trying to say all show is that bias, whether it's race, gender, immigration bias, it's profitable. these people have made an industry out of discriminating against the other. that's what disturbs me, and it's not gone anywhere. >> right. and o'reilly is gone, but his protege jessie waters where he went into china town and used every asian stereo type to make one of the residents, he's been promoted to a prime time spot on their 9:00 p.m. show. tucker carlson has said

controversial things about women. on air, i don't know if things are going to change just because bill o'reilly is gone. his legacy is living on there. >> i have to go. thank you to all of you. we should not be dancing on anyone's grave, because what made them popular is not in the grave. it is still up and functioning. up next, she's a rapper and a musical pioneer who is now concerned with the damage done by the trump administration to civil rights. she's here next. don't go away. dentures are very different to real teeth.

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first female so lo rapper to receive the honor. she was the first african american to head it up. she both performed for and worked with the obama white house on issues like education. and in october of last year, she received the web medal from harvard university for her three decade contribution to african american culture. i caught up with her late this week right before her heading next week to speak and be part of national action network's annual convention in new york. >> welcome, mc. >> thank you. the it's an honor. >> well, the honor is ours, and you're being honored at the

convention because of your trail blazing activities in our culture and in the country. let me ask you, where do you see? there's a lot of talk about millennials and hip hop having gone mainstream the last decade or so, but i remember when you helped to trail that -- be a trail blazer for that and really set a course where people were saying we don't even know if rap is going to last and we don't know what hip hop is. looking back now, and you're still young, vibrant and out there, how do you look at where the culture has been impacted by hip hop, and where hip hop is today? >> well, i certainly believe the t culture has been impacted by hip hop and vice versa. i think for the most part what we relied onto come from hip hop in my day was different from

today. as a matter of fact, i think the young folks that listen to hip hop today really don't have a concept of how we used hip hop as a tool to educate and how we used it as a tool to somewhat be like the news. we told the truth, and we gave the perspective of what was happening out on the streets. so i can't say that they're even aware of what to expect from the genre of hip hop, but i still think that hip hop has enough power that it could still be the very tool to get the message across, and, nfin fact, it is. when the it's time to vote, hip hop artists are put to the test, and they deliver the votes. people come out and support, and they trust hip hop e emcees and

story tellers. >> it started that way. i remember in the 80s when we were marching around howard beach and on different racial incidents in new york, it was hip hop artists like public enemy and others that was really given the news with the beat, and it was all one movement. i mean, we were in the streets, and you were and others were in the studio and dealing with tracking the records and spike was doing movies. and no one thought it would ever go to where it is now where you have the actual mainstream of music really imitating what many of you started. >> absolutely. we just left dillard university where i got the opportunity to talk to some students there. and really, it is a completely different picture of what was happening when we came out, and i do think there are artists today that speak to the issues

that are happening. however, they aren't necessarily mainstream. we got into this whole talk about what is hip hop versus what is rap, and they seem to think it had switched around, like they thought that rap was what was important and vital to the culture, and in reality, it's the exact opposite. hip hop, what they often remember to say is these are the four elements. it's gra feffitgraffiti, break t the fifth is knowledge. the hip hop artists in it today that have mainstream records out, it's up to them to do the records that will teach and inform the youth about what's really happen and -- we had songs that taught us how to be an adult or how to become an adult, and how to raise families. i attribute that to public enemy

and krs 1 and some of the greats. and today we have folks that still fight the good fight. david banner, scar face, still public enemy with chuck d. these are folks that banner, sc public enemy with chuck d., jay cole. these are folks that are not afraid to speak the truth. >> now, in this era now of trump, you worked with the obama white house, you did a lot there, i was close with that administration, because i agree with their policies, but we have a new president now, new policies. how important will it be for artists today to really deal with their fan base in terms of knowledge of what's going on pro and con, because now we're facing a different kind of policy in policing and in mass incarceration and even employment. how important is it for artists to be able to deal with this,

and do you think this will force some of them that have not gone the route of a chuck d. or even a kendrick lamar to say i've got to recalibrate where i'm going to make my contribution to my fans? >> absolutely. i think someone that's a living testament to that is t.i. he has definitely taken a different approach from what we've seen him do in the past, and that is he's becoming responsible in what it is he gives forth to his fan base. i actually follow him on social media, and he's always addressing an issue that otherwise a lot of his counterparts kind of stay away from. i do think it is extremely important for as much as we know, that we are able to give that knowledge to the fans that follow us, and frankly would rather have that information from us than to have it come from anyone else. so i would imagine that a lot of hip hop artists are feeling the

pressure, whether or not they choose to do anything with it is another circumstance. >> yeah. and i agree with you. t.i. is absolutely one of them. chance the rapper, i'm very proud of him. >> absolutely. >> talked with him. mc lyte, you've been honored this week, honored at harvard. what is the most important thing that you want people to know about mc lyte when all is over and you're sitting on the rocking chair telling your grandchildren about what you and your contribution has made. what do you want to highlight? >> well, first i got to have some children. have the grandchildren, but i do know some folks that know some folks, and i have god children and so on and so forth. i think the most important thing for me is to not be afraid to ask questions, you know, i got much older in life and realized that i didn't know everything, and that someone else may have

the peace of knowledge that jewel that they'd like to drop upon me that i could take and hopefully i can benefit from that knowledge. so to -- i would like -- sitting on that rocking chair, as you spoke of, to just be recognized for the philanthropic work, for sending many, many kids to school or young men and women to further their education and being an inspiration to others. and then also, you know, not afraid to speak the word of god. >> all right. mc lyte, looking forward to seeing you this week and bring your books with you. everyone wants to read your books. >> absolutely. thank you so much, reverend. >> mc lyte, many thanks. and a reminder, she will join us in new york for our first national action network convention in the era of president donald trump.

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hi, everybody, good morning. 9:00 a.m. in the east, 6:00 a.m. out west. it's day 94 of the trump administration. we have new polling, a slew in anticipation of donald trump's 100th day in office. we go behind those numbers to compare thiprid