good morning and well come to the los angeles edition of a.m. joy. today the world is watching and holding its collective breath as voters in france head to the polls for the first round of voting in their presidential

election. that ad, which borrows heavily from hillary clinton's 20083:00 a.m. phone call ad comes from the campaign of marine le pen. she's the leader of france's far right. a party who's image she's tried to sanitize since inheriting its leadership from her father, a holocaust denier with nazi ties. she promises, too, as "the new york times" put it, protect not just france, but frenchness. that's because the outcome of today's voting will be a bellwether to the extent of the wave of nationalism which swept donald trump into power has taken hold throughout the western world. it could also decide if france

follows britain with a frexit and the withdrawal of france from gnat to-- nato. the terrorist attack seized by pen. donald trump told the associated press that the incident will, quote, probably help her win because she is the candidate strongest on borders. thank you both for being here. chris, i will start with you. how is it looking for the leading four candidates and could you tease out for us who the top four candidates are. >> in addition to le pen, who i think you have described perfectly, we also have emanuel macrow who was the front runner this first round of the

elections. he's a sen tryst and trying to try support from the center left and center right for his movement and if he succeeds in that, he also would be the most proeurope, pro-american candidate. barack obama called him up and gave him a few words of encouragement yesterday. then we have very far left. won't describe himself as a communist. he's supported by the communist newspaper. he is the one who had the boast mome -- most momentum. he's a great speaker, great debater and he took off after the debates here in france. and then you have the former prime minister. he looked like he was a shoe-in for this election. he's far right, but still mainstream right. but he has been plagued by some

pretty bad scandals. you put two things together, first of all he wants to put about 500,000 public sector jobs and then he's accused of putting his wife and children on the public payroll to the tune of about a million jobs for jobs they didn't actually do. so that's not great electoral situation for him. we'll see. i think a lot of people will vote for him who won't admit to the polls, but it could be very, very close among all those four. >> not good options. not a lot of good options there. i want to play to the point thrks is the call or at least part of the call that former president barack obama made and it was made into a little bit of an ad. let's take a look. >> i have president barack obama for you. hold on one second. >> thank you very much. >> hello. >> hello, mr. president. how are you?

>> mr. emanuel? >> yeah, exactly. >> i'm doing very well. how will you? can you hear me. >> yes, i hear you very well. >> the main message i have is to wish you all the best in the coming days and make sure that as you said you work hard all the way through because you never know. it might be that last day of campaigning. >> yeah, i do agree. >> that makes all the difference. >> and e.j., i think a lot of americans would immediately say we're going to vote for him. he seems to be the guy that's most pro-western. do you think having the former president weigh on his side helps or hurts him? >> my guess is on balance. you have this fascinating shadow show down in france. by the way, thanks to chris for such a good set-up of this segment because you had trump in what i think really outrageous intervention, basically

endorsing the far right candidate in france who wants to wreck the western alliance, pull france out of the eu and it is not american first, it is nativism first is what trump was doing there. and then you have president obama basically anointing macron as his candidates. i think his politics are father rim to obama's, rather center left. and if you take those two, trump may actually hurt le pen a little bit is my sense and that you have the terrorist attack, excuse me, where a dear french friend of mine said what struck her is the french took that with extraordinary calm and that it may not have as much impact as we would anticipate, but we'll see. and that ad that you showed at the beginning clearly hopes to take advantage of fear. >> yeah. and i guess that is the big

question, chris, is a lot of -- you wrote a column for the day by beast, which i probably can't quote even on basis cable. you said the election could really hurt america, i'll put it that way. should we be concerned that le pen could walk away from it on the one hand and is there any hope for him to actually pull it out? >> i know there is hope. i think that probably the obama call was helpful to him. you have to remember that obama's hugely popular in this country and has been for years. normally the polls have shown him getting like an 80% approval rating. always much higher in france than his rating in the united states, as a matter of fact. where as trump is seen as more like a flake and even le pen has been uncomfortable with trump because, among other things, she was against the tomahawk cruise missile attack on serial. i think that it's a little bit

strange that trump would endorse her at this point. >> yeah. we will definitely be watching i think. >> since degal set up the presidential republic, there hasn't been a race where you have four candidates at the end with at least a plausible chance to get in the run off, and this i think is the most important election in the west this year. >> yeah, absolutely. and i was so concerned about germany, but now we all have to fear a frexit, so we will all be watching. we will have you back on soon. e.j. will be back shortly. donald trump is not only dabbling in the politics of france. this week he called turkish lead to congratulate him on his victory. it was an odd offer of well wishes from an american president, given that international on ser varies say the election, which cements his authoritarian role was riefed

with political intimidation and poll lat r ballot rigging. earlier this month trump welcomed to the white house the egyptian president, w. joining me now is the author of the motte to hack america, and steve clemons. steve, let's start with you on this first, on the last point, on the welcoming sort of attitude toward the egyptian strong man by donald trump. but a lot of people are saying that the relationship that he's formed is to be credited with freeing an egyptian american prisoner who came home, at least according to the spin from the trump administration, from his work.

>> just as he did through the campaign, you know, tipping his hat to people even like kim jong-un or putin in russia, anyone he saw as ruthless as wiping out their enemies as taking a harsh hand and really being a spear point of a dark, nasty, cancerous hyper nationalism around the country. donald trump is applauding that. and it is very scary. >> indeed from the washington post on thursdays, it was not until trump moved to relations with egypt on april 3rd, he pubically hailed his leader hip as fantastic and offered the u.s. government's strong backing, that egypt's posture changed on sunday, and they dropped all charges against this woman. speaking of praising strong men, donald trump also seems to have an affinity forrer dwyane in turkey. the wait house is now denying

that the call was an endorsement. but do we see a pattern here? and could that pattern hold even as turkey seems to be descending into autocracy. >> the pattern is very clear. steve put it very well with the relationship to allsisy. there appears to be this alignment pushed by moscow, doubled down on with trump, to align all of these autocracies, whether it is the cue in egypt, turkey, the pushing for le pen in france, which would create this entire axis of autocracies that are all strong men that want to upset and break the world order. and france, if le pen wins in

france in the second round of the elections, you could see the fraek up of the european union and france withdraw from nato the way degal did. but it puts it into perspective why trump would call him and congratulate him on essentially breaking democracy in that country. >> it does feel like donald trump is short of joining, you know, what malcolm has called an axis of autocracies. you have these families, really families of the leader making quit of a bit of the money. donald trump has a lot of investments in turkey. we haven't done a lot to examine -- i don't think i should say has not done enough to exam where donald trump might be making money in all this, right? >> this is like my colleague's cover story called how to build

an autocracy. he walks through how donald trump is in a way smoothing out and disrupting the kind of institutions in america that would hold him accountable. and david in his piece says it is not really about trying to set out to be an autocrat, it is about setting out to enrich himself. when you look at vladimir putin and the way others have shown how he has parked money with oligarchs around the world, with money parked in all the places he has helped enrich others, i think that is something we have to worry about. it is self-dealing. when you celebrate and see what these two men have done to journalists and you see donald trump and his team's attitudes toward journalism, our institution is under threat by auto cats who are coming in and

in my view trying to self-deal. >> and mean tile, malcolm, you have yet another of the word's dictators having now apparently detained an american citizen. >> yes. and this is typical of north korea. you know, we have been waiting since all of the ratchets up of rhetoric started a couple of weeks ago with the movements of the aircraft carrier, mike pence's visit to south korea. they view provocation as a strategic tool to keep its en y enemies at bay. they think if they do something provocative, then they win. this is called government detention. it is a typical tool of dictatorships and they are going to pressure the trump administration with this now but

i don't think trump is going to bite. >> thanks for helping us sort it out. thank you. >> thank you, joy. >> thank you. up next donald trump has a huge week ahead of him. a week ahead of himself but he may have bitten off more than he can chew. stay right there liberty mutual stood with us

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as donald trump would say. he plans to mark his 100th day in office saturday with a rally in pennsylvania, which also happens to be the same night as the white house correspondents dinner. trump may not have much to celebrate. a poll shows his approval rating at 40%, the lowest for a new president. trump also faces a mid light dead lynn to fund the government and avoid a shut down. white house budget director says the administration may be willing to fund obamacare subsidies that help the poor afford health insurance but only if the democrats agree to fund trump's border wall, a wall that mexico was supposed to pay for. >> it doesn't surprise anyone that the actual physical wall is a top priority for this president. he ran on it. he won on it. and as every winning candidate always likes to say, elections

have consequences. >> joining me now -- all right. so the idea is that democrats would somehow be willing to wrap the hostage, which is millions of people's health insurance and pay for the wall mexico was supposed to pay for. let me play you a couple responses from that. let's go to thanty pelosi and her thoughts. >> the democrats do not support the wall and i think the republicans on the border states do not support the wall. the republicans had the votes in the house and the senate and the white house to keep government open. the burden to keep it open is on the republicans. the wall is in my view immoral, expensive, unwise and when the president says, well, i promised a wall during my campaign i don't think he said he was going to pass billions of dollars of cost of the wall on to the taxpayer. >> and even more blunt was chuck

schumer over in the senate. he said the white house gambit to hold hos teenage health care in order to force american taxpayers flip the bill for a wall is a complete nonstarter. it doesn't sound as if this negotiation is going well. >> it is an inherent problem. people are going to blame republicans for the failure of health care if they decide to abolish obamacare straight out or replace it with this new crueller plan proposed this past week. they are not only going to continue to, you know, be blamed for it, but they are also going to pass the blame on to the state houses. think about high risk pools and the things not well funded by the states in their health plan that would replace the guarantee that is currently in obamacare that you have for people who have pre-existing conditions. states don't regularly fund this stuff. who is going to get blamed? not only republicans in washington, but also republicans in the state house.

>> it feels like a strange negotiating tactic to say your choices are millions of people lose health insurance subsidies unless you let us pay for a wall that american tax pay we ares were not even intending to pay for. i'm not sure where the leverage is for republicans here. >> the great irony is that donald trump ran as a great negotiator and a great negotiator should be able to negotiate with his own party to avoid a government shut down when that party control it is presidency, the senate and the house of representatives. he's coming to democrats and offering them, as you stated, this deal where i'm not going to sabotage the affordable care act in exchange for you agreeing to support me in paying for the wall. here is the problem. he's actively at the same time trying to pass a law, a new law, that would impact blow up health care, that would take coverage away from millions of people. it is worse than the original trump care, trump care 2 is even worse, the sequel is worse, like

sequels are, so he's asking democrats to agree to not have similar sabotage something in exchange for the likelihood that he's going to try to move something through that's even worse? that doesn't make any sense. there is no universe under which the democrats would agree to that kind of deal. >> and e.j., what's sort of striking to me is the determined cruelty you are seeing on the republican side. they seem really bound and determined that they think taking health care away from people would be a win they would somehow be rewarded for. you've written a lot about the right. what is the thinking behind that? >> i have to say there is something wonderful for lovers of the truth when a ridiculous campaign promise that a politician knows he can't keep comes back to bite him. that's what's happening to donald trump and his promise of mexico paying for the wall. it puts democrats in a very strong position saying you didn't say that taxpayers were going to have to pay for that. on health care, the reason this

is like a wet fire cracker for republicans, last week trump was talking about going full steam ahead on this is the cruelty you talk about on the heart of this, and they can't get enough votes in their own caucus to throw all those people off health care. people talk a lot about the far right of the caucus, which wants to cut this way back because they don't like government providing these kind of benefits period. but you've got republicans from clinton districts and others who say we can't throw 24 million people off health care. and, so, the very logic of what they want to do is getting in the way of getting it done. >> and, you know, there seem to be these two things happening at the same time. you have the president who was supposed to be this great negotiator who wants to look tough to other countries, who's clearly backed off the idea of forcing mexico to pay for the wall and conceded he really wants the american taxpayer. this is ryan priebus conceding

the fact that they're not going to try to get mexico to pay for the border wall. take a listen. >> we have seen progress in regard to getting money for border security within the cr, so i'm confident we're going to get something satisfactory to the president within current negotiations. >> it may not be the wall itself? >> it will be enough in the negotiation for us to move forward with either the construction or the planning or enough for us to move forward through the end of september to get going on the border wall. >> very quickly, if they get this wall, do they wind up getting applause from their base or getting hurt for having spent american taxpayers money. >> as long as they make white people feel better, i think it is going to be a win. >> do they wind up getting a win out of it if they manage to get

taxpayers to pay for a wall that donald trump used to say he could make mexico pay for. >> donald trump's base at this point is so committed to him and unwilling to commit. those people who are core supports of donald trump are so committed to him at this point and so -- and not wanting to be wrong about him that i think he will get a written from that particular portion of the base, the die-hard donald trump supporters and they really do want that wall. i think he's going to have some problems, though, with some of these people on the other side of that wall who are actually american citizens. other than that, i think his die-hards will be just fine and be happy. >> wait until they find out about the em nant domain portion where you lose your land. thank you guys. all right. and up next, dreamers -- will dreamers be protected under trump's new immigration

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this week donald trump tried to reassure immigrants covered by president obama deferred action for childhood arrivals program that he's not after them. he told the ap, quote, here's what they can hear, the dreamers should rest easy, okay? i'll give you that. the dreamers should rest easy. maybe rest with one eye open according to a story first reported on "usa today." the trump administration has already deported one dreamer. he was approached on february 17th, detained without being allowed to obtain his documents and deported within hours to mexico. he was desperate to get back home, so he scaled a border fence and was caught and again deported. the department of homeland security disputes this account. they say they have no record of deporting him the first time. they say he must have

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he was once covered by the doca order from president obama, but by his irresponsible behavior, breaking the law, by definition, he no longer was covered. so he was deported quite rightly because he had, by his behavior, criminal behavior in some cases, had lost status. simple as that. >> homeland security secretary john kelly says his department did nothing wrong in deporting a 23-year-old dreamer. he forfeited his doca status by engaging in criminal activity. his attorneying deny he did anything that would warrant him newsing his eligibility. but secretary kelly wasn't the

only one gaming that monoat the scene got what was coming to him. >> it's just like when we talk about these thugs that play football and they get the opportunity to play in the football. there is so many young high schoolers that would love to have this opportunity and they never do and these thugs waste it. it is like this guy. we gave him an opportunity to come to this great county, gave him a work permit to go to college and this guy abused it. sorry. let someone in that wants to be here and is going to follow the rules. >> so special over there. joining our panel, executive director of united we dream and an attorney and contributor for nbc news. that quote is the audience that receive sessions and steve bannon and donald trump are playing to with these policies. obviously they like these policies because it allows certain people to be characterized a certain way.

the response to the demands of the justice department that cities comply and assist with deporting people, this was the response from here in california, the senate leader. he said this, it has become abundantly clear that they with basing their law enforcement principals on white supremacy. their constant targets of diversities in states goes beyond constitutional norms and will be challenged at every level. that's to the threat that they don't defund cities. your thoughts? >> so there is a lot to say here, joy. thanks for having me. number one, what is clear is that through the executive orders that trump signed earlier this year, he overcriminalized the entire country. he could be the next one that could be deported just like they

did with juan manuel. we have white nationals part of the administration that unleashed ice agents and border patrol to do as they wish, to target our community and to end in situations like juan where he has been deported and, you know, we will continue to do our work to bring him back. but what's clear here is that we're dealing with an agency and administration that is not transparent and did change the story on this case and many other cases already multiple times. they're lying. we're not going to be, you know, resting easy as trump said. >> and, you know, as a legal matter, what do you make of this argument that this young man basically deported himself, that he left on his own? >> first of all, real quick, i want to correct the fox host you showed in the preface to the segment where they were talking about this young man was given a

chance to spr the country and it should go to someone else to enter the country. she is wrong. it is for young people already here. now, moving on, this lawsuit is interesting because, grant it, some of the facts surrounding it are sort of murky. when you look at the complaint, this did not just happen. this young man was not allegedly deported this week. this happened way back in february. the reason that it's news now is because during all this time his attorneys have been seeking just basic documents and records of his alleged removal and then the alleged second removal from the country. at this point, they are not seeking to get him a green card, get him a different type of status. they just basically want to know what dhs did with him. and we see dhs trying to, you know, raise questions about his character, whether or not he had doca, which we now know he did

through 2018. here's the facts. grant it we don't know everything that occurred. we would know more if dhs complied with these requests. for example, dhs would provide a list of all the officers who were on duty that night in that area signing off they did not deport this man. they could turn over all of those records and the records that they have turned over to this young man's attorneys, they are not everything they saw in the complaint. they are just some records they turned over in response to this outside public pressure in the media. >> yeah. and we know that jeff sessions has had an obsession with immigration, similar to his obsession with going after marijuana that goes back decades. now that he has power, what he's using that power as attorney general to do is to threaten to cutoff grant funds. st letters this week to nine sanctuary cities and states including california and new york, demanding they notify ice

of immigrants in custody or face cuts in federal funding, including a grant program named of edward burn killed in the line of duty. to do this, he's using this claim these cities are soft on crime, soft on crime. this is the quote from sessions. many of these jurisdictions are crumbling under the weight of imlegal immigration and violent crime. i live in new york. it is the safest big city in america and of course the crime rate is way, way, way down. what is this about? >> well, here's what it's about. it is about enforcing systemic racism. that's what it's about. it is about making sure that people -- you have this public line about systemic race. is not a problem within police

departments, that crime is all about gangs and all about people of color and by building a wall, by deporting a young man who was just minding his own business one night in southern california were actually making things safer for the real americans. >> the mayor of new york has come out, held a press conference saying this is r ridiculous. let's play this on the crime rate in new york. >> is the president going to insist on that funding, even if it means a government shout down? >> i can't image the democrats would shut down the government over an objection to building a down payment on a wall that can end the lawlessness. >> that will end the lawlessness. we have to end the lawlessness is what he's saying. >> it is a scapegoat policy. white supremacy, i think it is important that the california senator mentioned that.

white supremacy is the goal here and it is not serving all the needs of white people. fortunately trump voters don't seem to be understanding that. >> the use of crime as sort of the crutch here to explain why they're doing this. that was jeff sessions. this is the nypd commissioner talking about the city. >> since 1993, murder is down 82%. shootings down 81%. overall crime is now76%. in 2017, murders went down 11 murders again. shootings are down and overcrime is down. to say we're soft on crime is absolutely ludicrous. maybe we should ask the 2016 we locked up over 1,000 people in 100 gang take downs. most of them are still awaiting sentences. maybe we should ask them if they're soft on crime.

>> and he tweeted out i don't know why one storied law enforcement would ignorantly align another. it is interesting you have the justice department turning against its own law enforcement. >> you know what else is very interesting here? conservatives do not like the federal government telling states what they have to do. immigration falls under art cal one of the constitution. now jeff sessions is trying to force states to comply with these sanctuary city measures. that's unconstitutional. you know, real quick as we talk about what trump has done or not done in his first 100 days, he has done something unfortunately. he has managed to terrorize immigrant communities and put in place a frame work for a deportation force. >> i want to give you the last

word about what kind of climate this is creating within these communities. these are mixed status communities. tell us what this has created. >> my brother keeps texting me, calling me every day asking what is going to happen with doca? we have no security that the program is going to stay in place, and we have family members, parents and others who are fearful of driving their kids to school. we saw one story in california where a dad was picked up after picks up his daughters and he has not seen them since then. that is the fear these executive orders have created in our community. >> we also have u.s. attorneys with which to inforce these laws because he's fired them all. up next donald trump fumbled the ball. that story next.

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♪ in theory, i can be president of the united states and run my business 100%. so, in theory, i don't have to anything, but i would like to do something. >> that was donald trump on governing as a businessman after he won the election. american university professor alan leichtman is one of the very few people who predicted trump's november victory. but in his new book, he writes trump even center him a letter to thank him for getting it right. the thing is he always seems to get it right. this presidentl forecasts have been spot-on for years. joining me now is the aforementioned political historian from american university, allan leichtman.

a new book out "the case for impeachment." professor lichtman, thank you for being here. it's a fascinating book particularly from you, you are one of the few people, i know i didn't, predicted that donald trump would win. walk us through, how you think somebody who has a majority of his own party in the house of representatives. a party who stands by him despite all of his emollient violations and everything he does and has robotically followed him. >> transgressions could be serious enough. as you say, a collision with the constitution. over conflicts of interest abroad. possible collusion between his team and the russians and heaven forbid, maybe even some involvement of donald trump himself. beyond that the first rule of politics is self-preservation. and if those republicans in congress believe that trump has become a liability to them, they

may be willing to jettison him. after all, every single one of them has to come up for re-election in 2018. and they may believe that they must prefer the predictable down-the-pike conservative mike pence to be president than donald trump. and finally, you know, donald trump may be posing a real threat to the national security of our nation. i grew up in the '50s when we were so fearful of nuclear war. once again in my life, i'm now fearful of a possible war that could involve a nuclear exchange. and the real questions, whether donald trump has the mental stability, acuity and discipline to deal with this kind of crisis. and neither republicans nor democrats can possibly ignore that. >> you do write in your book if democrats were to solidly back impeachment, you would only need two house republicans to join

them in a voting majority. i think a lot of people watching the show would say it's been clear for quite some time that there was something going on there, in terms of donald trump and these affinities to russia. and republicans in the house have not only done nothing about it. they slow-walk the investigation. but you had the chairman of the intelligence committee, essentially working for the white house, doing bagman site meetings at the white house to give them an excuse for claiming a lie about the former president that he was wiretapped. why would any of these men, quite frankly, suddenly turn patriot and decide donald trump was who dangerous to be president? >> well, you know that whole effort by the chairman back fired. it was so ham handed that he had to step down and got new people running that investigation. and the investigation seems to be going reasonably smoothly on a nonpartisan basis. and who knows what director comey might come up with.

now, i point out a lot of comparisons between donald trump and richard nixon. and a third of the republicans in the house judiciary committee turned against nixon to vote for at least one article of impeachment. and donald trump's response to this whole russian controversy bears all the hark mallmarks of 96ian-type cover-up. conceal, deny, deflect. and then when you come up oh, all of our contacts with the russians were innocuous. just like richard nixon said that watergate was nothing but a third rate burglary. a lot of smoke here. again, congress is the people's house. and impeachment will only occur if the american people demand it. that's why i wrote this book as "the people's guide to impeachment." soy, there's all of this energy going against donald trump and it will be smoke through a chimney unless it's directed to an end. >> let me get you to weigh in

since you are such is a good prognosticator on which of these things are able to produce will, political will. there's three of them, one would be russiagate. cnn has a new story out that russia tried to use it. and now the house oversight commit which is almost dormant under jason chaffetz, suddenly requesting documents on the trump treatment of foreign payments. which brings us to the good old emollients. which reads no person holding any office of profit or trust under them shall accept any emo emolluments. >> obviously, the clause is

really serious, because it doesn't require a quid pro quo. it's absolute. and the framers were very worried about foreigners taking -- having too much influence on our government. >> yes. allan lichtman, a must read book called "a case for impeachment." thank you, sir. coming up, you will not believe the more toxic nature at fox news coming up at the top. hour. ♪ ♪ use the chase mobile app to send money in just a tap, to friends at more banks then ever before. you got next? chase. helping you master what's now and what's next. even if you're trying your best.be a daily struggle, along with diet and exercise, once-daily toujeo® may help you control your blood sugar.

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consigned to the annals of tv history after sexual harassment accusations forced fox news to end his 21-year reign agency the network's most popular host. o'reilly's 50 big brands with drew their advertising from the show. and highly visible blow against workplace sexual harassment. it's been a costly less soon for fox news because o'reilly is walking away with a cool $25 million for his contract. according to "the new york times," his golden parachute is just a fraction of more than $85 million in payouts related to sexual harassment allegations at fox news. $40 million of which went to fox's founding chairman roger ailes who was ousted last year in a sexual scandal of his own. the "times" reports that since ailes' departure, fox has tried to clean up the network's act with sensitivity sessions. some of fox news current hosts

might be the first to sign up. this week, after sarah palin had a question of whether she received sexual harassment they went and got seats. yucking it up with -- >> it was fun. like captain ahab and the great white whales. >> when you interview her, will she be sitting on your lap? >> one could only hope. >> well, imus later apologized. and tweeting about palin, palin's popularity falling in iowa but maintenances lead to be supreme commander of milfistan. and the prime example of the

kind of comment that allegedly made roger ailes the former fox news chairman this this quote. quote, i hired sarin palin because she was automatic and she got ratings. all of us wonder whether the time at fox news goes beyond what's going on at 8:00 p.m. lisa bloom, janelle smith. michael medved. and msnbc contributor dave sherman who broke the story on o'reilly's ouster. gabe, i'm going to you first. it isn't over. we've got a culture at fox news that clearly goes beyond bill o'reilly, no? >> yes. and as you pointed out, joy, is this a systemic problem at fox news that was created by roger ailes. and overnight i reported on pending litigation that's going to be filed by seven more african-american employees at fox news who are claiming racial discrimination. and i obtained a letter from

their attorneys that was sent to fox that describe really horrific acts of racial discrimination of which black employees were forced to arm wrestle for the entertainment of white employees in the accounting department. so these sorts of descriptions are really evident of a culture that is entrenched and has not changed in the wake of bill o'reilly's departure. >> and janelle. when we came in this morning, the idea of the making the black female employees arm wrestle the white staff. i can't even believe that happens in the real world. >> clearly, the racial connotations can't be missed here. it invokes slaved or african-americans forced to wrestle or fight for the entertainment of slaveholders and their guests. credit, this isn't slavery.

but it's certainly unacceptable in any workplace for anybody to be forced to do anything for the entertainment of a superior. >> according to bill o'reilly, slaves were quite well fed. let's play a little more bill o'reilly. i want to talk about the broader issue. you have written about the racial dynamics and obviously your work with sexism. this is bill o'reilly putting them all in one sound bite. >> when was the last time you awe a public service ad telling young black girls to avoid becoming pregnant? has president obama done such an ad? how about jackson? has the congressional black caucus demanded an ad like that? how about the pc pundits that work for abc news? white people don't force black people to have babies out of wedlock.

you never got in trouble for that, llisa. what kind of culture is that creating? >> that's particularly reach in light of my client perita burgess who said he sexually r harassed her. she would just try to keep her head down and work. she ultimately was the catalyst that brought him down. a certain satisfaction that we all take with his long history of racist comments like that. couldn't believe that black people would sit around in a restaurant and eat food and not throwing food. >> yeah. pretty amazing. michael, i'm glad you're able to come this week. i think a lot of people who don't consume fox news or the culture around it, just can't understand why this is acceptable to the conservative movement which isho they are in advertising and broadcasting

tv. what is going on? >> well, first of all, i think what's going on has been a piling on which is way, way beyond what's appropriate. the one thing i want to say about bill o'reilly. i don't know him that know noth behavior backstage. really, i have never witnessed it. i never worked on fox news. the point about this, bill o'reilly is one. very few voices on the right who have been somewhat unpredictable who could ask tough questions in donald trump. of course i said outrageous things. i called him out on the air when he made that comment about maxime waters and the quote, james brown wig. that was totally out of line. it seems to me if we're going to replay stuff going back five, six, seven years. the point about bill o'reilly, none of this, anything that people are talking about here is going to dent his popularity with the 3 to 4 million who

listen without fail, watch his show. i would imagine he's going to continue being an important voice in the united states. after his non-compete is over for six months. who knows where he's going to end up. >> he's doing a podcast monday. he's still around. but i think the question, i'll throw it out to the panel, it's not just bill o'reilly, there is a large audience that wants to consume very racially provocative, sexually provocative content that is marge inalizing to women. the women at fox news all look a certain way and are treated a certain way. and i'll throw it to the panel, this isn't just about bill o'reilly, this is about people who are consuming this. >> like president trump said, i didn't think what he did was wrong. not that he didn't do it. but it wasn't wrong. i do sexual harassment cases every day. i've had other sexual harassment

cases against fox news. i've had three women with sexual harassment claims against bill o'reilly. so this is a very broad culture and that's what we're up again. however, get news is, the majority of the american public does think it's wrong. and in fact, the law prohibits it and that's what we have on our side. >> also, gabe. you have a situation where fox news is highly influential. not just in the audience, but in the white house. there's a "the new york times" people that talked about the fact that among donald trump's frequent advisers there are rupert murdoch and sean hannity that has to his white house, right? >> yeah. when i was writing my report, i would talk to republicans who would privately grouse and complain about the circus that ailes created at fox news. and yet, these very same politicians would go on the network to reach and connect with the republican base. i think fundamentally, where this would change, if the republican party, and we know

this is not going to happen but if the republican party and politicians said we are not going to put ourselves in a position of supporting this style of broadcasting and media that marginalizes and denigrates groups of people. i don't think that's going to happen. but if it did, that would pressure on people to change. >> may i -- >> i would love to hear from you, michael. >> if i could just jump in here, everybody on this panel is a big defender othe first amendment. i know that. the idea is, i really think you're beginning to communicate, and i would warn you against it, please is a desire to just cut off fox news to eliminate that voice. there's lots of stuff on that network that's outrageous. there's some stuff on every network that is outrageous. and no one is claiming that fox is fair and balanced. but the point is, what is it that you want, exactly? >> well, let me ask you a question, michael, just to have a dialogue with you on that. there has been a concerted message. a message that's come from the

right for a long time. going all the way back to the clinton era that constantly critiques the culture of the left. that the left is corroding the overall culture. but i wonder if there's a self-critique to the right that it's been created over decades and fox news is just part of it. is there any self-critique within the conservative world that this culture is denigrating the country? >> well, sure there is. you saw that with a very substantial number of conservatives including myself who were critical of president trump. there were 25 members of congress when the "access hollywood" tape came out. >> they all voted for him. they have marched behind him like penguins. >> it's not true. >> who has withdrawn from him? >> people like senator ben sasse. >> he was never for trump.

people like marco rubio, he's been completely devoted to donald trump in every way. people like paul ryan, critical of the racial comments to the judge. completely loyal to donald trump. >> where are the conservative voices to say our daughters in the workplace have a right to go to work without being hit on by the big boss. they have a right to complain about it without losing their jobs and being driven out of their entire television industry which is what happened to all of the fox news accusers. >> well, again, i think you have to make some kind of distinction here, regarding particularly charges that aren't verified yet and that are being contested. and i know as an advocate, lisa, you understand that. look, i am one conservative voice. sexual harassment is not okay. insulting people is not okay. racism is never okay. again there are tons of voices

on the right that called out president trump on these issues when he was a candidate. he's now president of the united states. and there is a sense on the right, as i think there is throughout the country on the balance of people. if he's president, some of these things he's done has been wonderful in my opinion like appoints justice gorsuch to the supreme court. it seems to me for people to say that trump can do no right is just as bad and just as destructive as those who say on the right that trump can do no wrong. >> okay. if i could interrupt a self-congratulation for conservatives here. let me talk to michael man-to-man here. you have several women who have accused bill ow'reilly of sexua harassment -- >> eight. >> yes, eight now. eight women who accused him of sexual harassment, at what point are you going to believe him?

>> i believe -- again, that's not for me to decide. >> two of them -- >> what do you mean it's not for you -- michael, i'm asking you. >> i wish we had more time. >> hold on, let me be very clear. i'm not saying that bill o'reilly shouldn't have been fired. i just don't know, what seems to me to be lamentable, we're talking the entire culture of another network. >> i'm going to stop this right here, and take it, we're out of time, i think the right has made its business of attacking the culture of the west, liberals, hollywood. this has been a stock in trade for a long time. i think what we're asking is a little self-reflection. to your point, michael, we love you and glad you're coming to the show. donald trump is president of the united states despite ongoing open proud vulgarity. so i think that the right might just want to reflect on the fact that they're okay with that. we'll have this conversation at

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from not only all federal, state and local enforcement but from everyday americans. with the tough on crime posture, he's tried to take since he was sworn in, attorney general jefferson bowgart sessions said he's prepared to use any tool to target people who enter the country without documents. in order to do that, you need federal prosecutors, like the 46 obama era attorneys whose resignation that sessions demanded last month. their seats and 47 others remain open. >> how soon do you expect to get u.s. attorneys out in the field, nominated and in their place? >> we really need to work hard with that and we'll ask congress to help with that. >> now former white hou council john w. dean. the author of book "conservat e

"conservatives without conscience." >> here's what's happened, the career people who are in those various offices, 46 offices around the country, someone has been designated to step forward and run the office. but what they're not getting is any policy from washington. so every time something that's controversial happens in that office or troublesome at all, they have to turn to washington. they always have regular connections for washington. the offices don't run well until they get ahead of the office. >> and what is the holdup? >> well, you know, the way the process typically works is members of the senate recommend to the department of justice, no one knows this better than sessions. >> right. >> he's been there. no telling how many usas he's recommended over his tenure. so there's probably a bottleneck right now where nothing's happening. and these people all have suggestions and why they're not acting on it, i don't know. >> you know there was a

question, sort of a debate internally, a lot of republican, longtime operatives in washington, whether or not to add their republic statiotation >> do you think there's reluctance? >> that could well be the problem. it would be an interesting polling to quietly do up on the hill to see how they feel about the quality of the candidates coming forward. a lot of these people have strong feelings. they want a good candidate actually. >> as you wind up with poor quality as attorneys, then what? >> you get typically pro-quality work out of pro-quality u.s. attorneys. >> so you have attorney general sessions saying they're going to ramp up the work of hiring a lot more immigration judges. they want to beef up i.c.e. they want to beef up getting a wall. they seem to have focused on roundup immigration. this is a system that a lot of people feel is unsustainable and

frightening, but the base -- this is what they want, right? >> it sounds like what they want. i know how it's striking fear in a communicate that doesn't need this kind of grief. and it's unfair. you know what he thinks ultimately is going to happen, he's not going to remove 11 million illegals. he's just -- he's just really just striking terror in them. for what goal? what does it do? it's hurting businesses. it's hurting families. it has no overall accomplishment. it is -- is it honoring a campaign pledge? apparently, they think it is. is it a pledge that's going to help the country in any way? not that i see. in fact, i think a lot of businessmen are trying to get to them saying, listen, we need these people, these workers. and all this business on how they're going to cramp -- you know, cut down on sanctuary cities. >> is it legal to deprive cities

who are sending tax money to the federal -- >> no, that's litigated. you can't put a gun to the head. that's not going to work. >> and federal law -- do you think california would sue? the whole state is being threatened? >> for sure. california is going to fight this. you know, when jerry brown said, when they talked about eliminating the climate satellite, he said we'll put our own satellite up, you know, california can do that. >> yeah. >> some have suggested maybe we should build the wall along california. >> only if you put me on this side of it, john dean. i don't want to be on the other side of it. where do you think this goes, this administration? it feels like it's somewhat out of control but there doesn't seem to be any momentum among congress to do anything about this. where does this end up? >> what i don't understand why they can't get people in jobs. just not the department of

justice, it's across the board. there are empty offices in the west wing. i have a contact in there that tells me you walk through there, you're going to be surprised, there are empty offices. the department of state is hurting. all of the departments. they're just not filling the job. i don't get the game plan. they don't know how that's handicapping them and developing any momentum for their administration. so they're way behind. >> do you get the sense it's about shrinking the size of government? >> dmno, i get the feeling it's incompetence. >> they don't know what to hire? >> they don't. >> john dean, thank you. actress yvette nicole brown joins me life. whoa!

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negotiating table, so that we are able to get a fair deal when we go back. >> we're just trying to get a little bigger piece of a very, very big pie. that's all. >> ten years ago, the writers gild of america and its 12,000 members in film, radio and television went on strike after contract talks failed. the strike lasted 100 days and cost the los angeles economy roughly $2.1 billion as production halted. well, we could soon be having deja vu because it could happen again. the gild will finalize a deal on whether or not they can begin pictu picketing on wages. it could affect some of your favorite tv shows. joining me now is yvette nicole brown. i'm terrified. i cannot give up "the walking

dead." and "saturday night live" has been giving people so much life. what is going on, why the poteial strike? >> first ofall, i understand why they would want to strike. there are health care issues. there are residual issues. there's a thing happening right now where if you do an eight-episode series you might be held for a full year before you go back. there are people expected to make a living over eight episodes. stretch that over 365 days it's really hard. i'm not even here as an actress. i'm here as a fan of television. i'm hoping that cooler heads prevail and they'll stay at the negotiating table. when a strike hits l.a. it affects the entire city. everything shuts down. >> it feels like, i think for people who are tv fans, viewers, we take for granted that that product that we're seeing, there are lots of lots of people. >> oh, my god. there's at least 20 people in here with us today.

there's about 200, 300 people on any show that you work with below the line. those are people doing the difficult work. they're taking down cables. they're bringing you food. they're shooting the cameras. these are the people that live for their weekly pay check. and when the town shuts down, they may not eat. their kids may not go to school, they may lose their houses. >> wga, the writers gild of america did put out a statement saying this is potentially a work stoppage in may. writers in fall broadcasts typically work in may and june in preparation for seasons. any delay of the start of work has the potential to postpone fall season premieres and reduce the amount of work available. and wga west said the board and council in consultation are empowered to call a strike if necessary if a contract expires after midnight. they said they want to

negotiate. >> yes. >> question is whether or not -- there seems to be a small amount of money that they're asking for. >> yeah. >> why not just give them the money? >> you know, i'm going to be devil's advocate on both sides because i understand it from both sides. i believe the producers are saying we may have record profits this year. but the television market is shrinking in a way that there's no guarantee this is going to continue, right? if we promise this, we have to keep getting this no matter what happens on our side. the writers are saying, we understand that, however, our health care is in danger. weren't able to make a living. there are streaming networks, where our fee is not equal. i can see it from both sides. my goal, my hope, my prayer is that they will stay in the room. there's always way to work things outside if people just stay in the room. stay in the room. >> when this happened in 2007, the hosts of late night, jay leno, conan o'brien, jimmy

kimmel ended up paying their crews? >> yes. i think sometimes, those in front of the cameras or the directors get all the love. but you don't have a show without the writers. you don't have a show without cameramen. you don't have a show without craft services. there are a lot of people who work to get a production to work. all of these wonderful people today. i think that people who are doing okay and will survive a strike need to think about the people that may not be okay. and i'm saying that for both sides. this is not about -- there's no bad guy in this. there's not even a good guy in this. people just trying to get what they need for their people which i understand. i feel like if you stay in the room, everybody electrical okay. >> yvette nicole brown, thank you so mu. two tv fans chilling together thank u for being here. up next, the congressional race the whole country is watching. dear predictable,

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♪ did you call yourself a progressive? can you call yourself a progressive within that district? >> well, as i've said on cable nice before, i really have no interest in ideological labels. i'm happy to talk through the issues and tell you where i stand. i'll leave it to pundits and comphern commentators on television to decide which label is best. >> he appears to be having a bit of a labeling problem. you heard him dodging progressive. sanders earlier in the week said quote i don't know. only to release a statement three days later clarifying his support. after landing 48% of the vote on tuesday in a clol watched georgia election, ossoff is heading to a republican election against karen handle. joining me is teresa tomlinson,

thank you for being here. >> hi, joy, good morning. >> let's talk about georgia's district, whether or not a guy might want to be labeled progressive. tell us about it. >> it's an interesting district. those are moderate republicans up there. i think a lot of the national coverage has been stressing it's predominantly a republican district. historically that has been true. we talked about how tom price has fared over the years. it's not a heavy ideological district. that's the district i grew up in. my parents still live there. my sister lives there. so i'm very familiar with it. i think you can see that in some of the numbers. some of the spin coming outside of tuesday, of course that jon ossoff only carried 48% of the vote. somehow that means that 52% of the people voted against him. while i want to point that 81% of the people under that analysis voted against karen

handel. facts and numbers and jon ossoff carried 88,000 votes. karen handel, 35,000 votes. those are a lot of people he can bring back to the polls. he carried 200 of the precincts. she carried 8. that's a pretty heavy lift for her. i think we're going to be looking at voter turnout and motivation and there's certainly some factors to consider there. >> let's talk about that, motor turnout and motivation. is this a district that you perceive that people are as hot on this election as people in the rest of the country are? >> actually they are. look at the turnout, 193,000 voters came out for a special election. that's extraordinary. so, you have this very high level of interest. you have jon ossoff carrying these precincts well into the northern part of district 6. and i think some of the factors you need to look, to trump's

erratic behavior. business republicans that does not set well with them. moderates, it does not set well with them. it makes them very uneasy. to the extent he's going to project himself into the race that karen handel invites him into the race. embraces him and projects that she will enable or facilitate the behavior i think that's a motivating factor. i think the second thing that you need to look to is the freedom caucus is really getting a label, an element of dysfunction in washington. i heard a voter say the other day maybe that's the swamp that needs to be drained. so, i think to the extent that she is perceived to be a clear member of the freedom caucus, that may not fare well in that particular district, during this particular move. she's largely seen as an ideolog ideologue. she had trouble with the komen

foundation that you can politicize almost anything. to the extent she's seen as an ideologue is going to be tough. and then you here voter suppression issues which are going to motivate voters isn't the mountain, shambly area. and we've seen calling for more early voting place sites in the southern part of 6th district. if they're successful in the board of elections in that, i think you're going to see more early voting volume in those heavily democratic precincts. >> let's just talk a little bit more. to drill down. this is obviously tom price's seat. newt gingrich has held the seat. this fight that feels a little bit like a proxy fight from last year over whether or not ossoff say progressive. isn't this district would it even help him to be more progressive? or more moderate?

it sounds like he's positioned the way you have to win to win in the 6th? >> i think he is positioned himself very wisely, as i heard into the clip leading into this. he is indeed progressive on women's issues. health issues. he talked about embracing the aca, but with changes, pragmatic changes. that's clearly a pragmatic position, let's say. but he's quite moderate on security, jobs, economic issues. not in favor of tax hikes, things of that nature. so you see him, frankly, reflecting the more moderate republican mood of that particular district. you know, tom price did reign for white some time. and newt gingrich, as you pointed out. of course, both were seen, interestingly -- particularly, newt gingrich, as part of that establishment. they had close connections. they were weighty individuals. and i think the pragmatism of the 6th likes the fact that they had notable and well connected

representation in washington, d.c. but tom price never really had serious challenge. i think one of the last challenges raised a whopping $8,000 or something. you know, had there ever b a serious moderate democrat contender, i'm not sure we would have seen those 27-point margins. >> well, i have to ask you a little bit more about georgia. a little bit at large. you are the mayor of columbus, georgia, second largest city in georgia. ush a wom you are a woman and democrat. a white democrat in the south which people suggested they don't exist, you do. there's a large unregistered black voter population. you just mentioned there are issues with suppression. is georgia a state that democrats should look to as a potential purple state? or a woman governor like maybe you, for instance? >> well, you're very kind. and i appreciate that.

about georgia, i believe it is purple for, frankly, what we're seeing in the 6th district. many of those republicans are moderate or business republicans, first of all, particularly in the suburban areas like we've been talking about this morning. but people forget there's a very thick band that runs through central georgia. it's called the black belt for agricultural reasons. references to the first ti s ts of the soil there. it starts at augusta and runs through athens. those are midsize cities, rural, if you will and predominantly democrat. when people think all you have to do is carry savannah, it's more nuanced than that. i think you have to start looking at voter turnout in some of these second level cities as far as population goes. >> we will definitely be

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the man simply known as prince died one year ago. at his home in suburban minneapolis at the age of 57 and

the world still mourns. on friday fans gathered at the minnesota estate to celebrate the legacy he left behind, the same week new details emerged about the drugs found at his home. billboard reports that the for the full year of 2016 he outsold every other recording artist with 2.23 million albums sold. and joining me from the brooklyn hist oral society, and zahir, thanks for being here. and i think it is shocking that he's not here but could you quantify the legacy of with someone with that volume of work and level of genius. >> it is hard to do that. i think we -- people who were fans of prince expected an album every

know that [ technical difficulties ] >> you teach prince from the historical perspective and could you talk more about that. because prince was obviously performing a certain kind of black black masculinity, and what did that mean in the time he was doing it. >> he was an arcivist and curator, he drew from chuck berry and little richard as you mentioned, from jimi hendrix,

from sly and the family stone, from larry graham, he talked about patterning his guitar solos after the vocal stylings of ella fitzgerald and now he is an archive and in that archive we see and find commentary about the cold war, we see and find commentary talking about the shifting and segregated market places as well as even his reflecting the changes in technology and how music was distributed. so he himself kind of provides these interesting sign posts to understand the changes that america has gone through in the last 25 to 30 years. >> is there still a musical tradition that sort of in the prince tradition of being eclectic, in terms of going beyond just r&b and rock and roll, he was a fusion artist, do

we have artists of that scale working today. >> i think in many ways there are artists who see him as a model for doing that. we can list people who have kind of tried to break out of the roles that people have tried to confine them, people like andre 3000, deangelo and the weekend and there are many, many more. but i don't know that nip was yet kind of captured the totality of his artistry. he was a single-handedly, produced and written and arranged and composed most of his music. he was a virtuoso on guitar. he played piano and drums. he -- like i said, he was extremely prolific. he released an album every year. he had a slew of other material that he gave to protethies like the time and sheila e. and he

continued to make music until his final years. >> some are learned about the philanthropy he did and carve out a space and talk about black lives matter and does that make it into his legacy than just the music alone. >> he promoted in his music a revolutionary love ethic and he practiced that in his out reach to various charities. in the '80s he performed for the hearing impaired and spore special -- and for special olympics and a supporter of the black lives matter and one of the last concerts was in baltimore which was a tribute show in memory of freddie gray which went to black lives matter and his art was not only an extension of his life but also an extender of black life and he tried to center black art and black life into the work that he did. >> and what do you think in terms of the music industry today, what is his influence,

his lasting influence on the industry? >> i think one of his lasting influences on the industry is promoting independence and kind of serving as a warning to artists to watch what they are signing, where their money is going. he understood the history of the exploitation of black labor in the music industry and he campaigned strongly and encouraged black artists to regain and maintain control of their productions. >> and in minneapolis, obviously now paisley park is going to soon be a museum, if it is not open already. you have been? >> i have been to minneapolis and paisley park many years, i was fortunate enough to see him perform at paisley park several times and i was there last fall when it reopened. >> now here is the final question and this actually has a right and wrong answer. what is the greatest prince song. >> i would say adore and the beautiful ones. >> you got the wrong answer. it is purple rain.

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