and "post game" sponsored by boeing on the "meet the press" facebook page. ♪ hi, everybody. i'm thomas roberts here in new york. welcome to "pulse of america" where your voice can be heard in realtime. here are the stories that we want your pulse on today. closing in on the hundred day mark, a new poll shows the public giving president trump low marks. today, we're asking you to grade his job performance so far. the president promising a big announcement this week on tax reform. and some are wondering if he's going to sell a tax plan to the public. shouldn't he release his tax

returns first? and after last week's paris terror attack, trumpaid whoever is toues on radical islam could win the french election and now some in law enforcement say the comments linking islam and terror attacks may be inspiring extremist groups and scaring muslim-americans from cooperating with police. three months after leaving the white house, barack obama returns to public life on monday. should obama fire back? to voice your opinions, just grab your phone or grab your laptop and you log on to pulse.msnbc.com/america where you can participate by selecting a response. you can vote as our as you like throughout today's show. we hope to hear from you. but first, happening now, out of north korea where a third u.s. citizen has been detained. and this comes amid rising tensions between north korea and the u.s. kim jong un has been warned not to conduct a sixth nuclear test based on an agreement with the

united nations. a leader that he ignores. now in response, the u.s. sent the "uss carl vinson" into the region and today they fired back with a new threat. for more on the developing story, we go to seoul, south korea. kel what have we learned? >> reporter: most is coming from the yonhap news agency here in south korea. they're identifying this man only by the last name, kim, they say he's in his 50s. that he was in north korea for about a month. working -- doing some relief for aid work. and that he was arrested on friday at pyongyang international airport as he was trying to leave the country. no governments have confirmed this yet. nothing from the state department or officials here in south korea but the associated press is reporting that the swedish embassy in pyongyang has confirmed to them that the north koreans had recently detained a

korean american. now, if this is confirmed it will mean that the north koreans are now holding three americans. the college student was arrested a year ago from now. he's a year into the sentence for hard labor and the north koreans accused him of trying to steal the propaganda banner as a souvenir. a businessman in his 60s, kim don jewell and he was accused of spying. on top of this, with the u."uss carl vinson" on its way, they're threatening to sink a aircraft carrier as a show of the military might. we understand that the carl vinson is due here within days. >> kelly kobecobiella, thank yo much.

now, this will be a top i think of two calls this evening. the first is with japan's prime minister and china's president. and the administration may be playing down the traditional benchmark. this may be why. 45% of adults in a new nbc news wall street journal poll believe he's off to the rough start. his approval is down four points from february. now the historical perspective for this, it's the lowest job approval rating for a new president at this 100 day stage in the history of the poll. that i wheres us to our first question of the day. how do you rate president trump's first 1 wh00 days? log on to pulse.msnbc.com/america and we'll check in on how you feel in a moment. but before he reaches that benchmark, the 100 day deadline there's another one friday. that's when they must have a budget deal or the government shuts down. the administration appearing to soften their hard-line on funding for the border wall as

they enter the final days of negotiations. >> we have already seen progress in regard to getting money for border security within the cr. i'm pretty confident we'll get something that's satisfactory to the president in regard to border security within the -- >> it may not be the wall itse? >> it will be engh -- it will be enough in the negotiati for us to move forward. >> all right. will it be enough, which includes money for the wall and a spending bill. this is a sticking point for democrats. >> it's political stunt. obsession for the president that should not shut down our government. >> the president i think talking about this wall is expressing a sign of weakness. he's saying i can't control our borders, i have to build the wall. >> nbc's kelly o'donnell is at the white house for us. how is the administration approaching the final stretch of the 100 days, as we talk about the tax cuts and also a

government shutdown? >> well, a government shutdown is that something that neither pa party wants and you can give the negotiators some extra time. so the likelihood oaf an actual -- of an actual shutdown is remote. but are there severe sticking point, yes, there are. work is going on with the people who are key players in the actual negotiating of how to reach the right numbers and the right priorities for something that can pass congress. so that is a very real, big to do list item. at the same time, the white house that has called the 100 day symbolic milestone artificial and not important is also embracing its by -- it by putting out for the first time a very detailed look ahead at the week that will take us to the 100 day mark. talking to us about the kinds of things that the president will do including having the united nations security council members visit with the president come here to washington and at blair house and the white house to

meet with leaders. having dinner with the full united states supreme court now that neil gorsuch is the president's choice has been elevated to the court. that's got a 100 day ring to it. as well as some of the -- sort of the unusual kind of reaching out to alto in the same party, to john mccain and lindsey graham who will be dining with the president. we have talked about the fact that mr. trump will -- boy, that's a throwback, mr. trump will go on a campaign style tour on saturday. he will be in harrisburg, pennsylvania and he'll do a rally to mark the 100 days and we'll talk about the sort of things that are not legislatively based. on that quotient it's been challenging. i had president obama in mind, because he steps out tomorrow as a post president. appearing in chicago. and the two presidents have not talked although president trump

has been critical of barack obama, we're told to expect barack obama will not be critical of donald trump. the white house is saying there are things that are happening and things to talk about including tax cuts, trying to keep health care from being forren in terms of -- forgotten in terms of appeal, but even if they shy away they're living with it. >> interesting to see how barack obama comes out tomorrow to see talk about his legacy as president trump is working against that legacy. and also president trump counterprogramming the white house correspondents' dinner by taking himself to pennsylvania for a rally. typically on saturday nights he's in mar-a-lago. kelly o'connell, at the white house, that's where he is right now. thank you very much. i want to continue with our conversation, and bring in a national political reporter for real clear politics. and a national political reporter for bloomberg. great to have you both with me.

let me start with the numbers here because we have got the 40% approval rating for president trump. only 25% of americans giving the president a good rating on being honest and trustworthy. should he be concerned? >> it's a rough start to the presidency no doubt about that. i think the numbers reveal he's doing much worse than most presidents do. most are above water. previous presidents like george w. bush and ronald reagan didn't get big things done within their first 100 days but they teed up the major accomplishments, whether it was tax cuts or in the case of reagan a massive restructuring of the budget. with the trump administration there's a movement in multiple different dictions. depending on these two factions within the white house and in the last few days they're trying to scrounge together as many accomplishments as they can, like a health care vote next week. that seems unlikely to happen.

an introduction of the tax plan next week and the fact that by friday the -- they have to fund the government or they'll face a government shutdown on trump's 100th day in office. that would be the first time a -- a party that runs the white house would oversee a government shutdown on its watch. >> quite a benchmark of the 100 days right there. but caitlyn, let's talk about a bright spot for the president it's the action in which he took on syria. the military might, a poll finding that a majority of americans support, 62% what he did there. do you think that is going to enhance potentially instant gratification that president trump wants knowing that -- showing military might works to get the american public behind him? >> it's interesting because if he's going to focus on the foreign policy elements as achievements of his presidency so far, that runs counter to everything as it pertains to foreign policy.

he campaigned a as a pop you -- populist and now he's been thrust into the foreign policy debate which requires him to go back to more of the traditional kind of conservative republican ways of doing things as it pertains to foreign policy. he's certainly been down that road. yes, people are supportive of the strikes but there's still a lot of concern about what the next steps are. there are still many questions about what the next steps are that we haven't heard from this administration. >> well, we know that as he campaigned he said he didn't want to telegraph moves he would do on secret plans. but also as you point out, campaigning as this populist, an america first message sends a message to bad foreign actors. let's test this guy. we have got to see what he's made of and we know that people are going to test the new president. >> right, exactly. he's -- what's interesting he's formed a bond with the president of china. you mentioned they're speaking on the phone. remember, over the course of the campaign, donald trumpalked very strictly against china,

talking about being tough on trade deals. really campaigned against china in a lot of ways and now he has to form this relationship with the -- >> calling them a currency manipulator and his -- >> and did not do that in that interview a couple of weeks ago. >> so as we look at the interview that the president grave to the associated press suggesting that the 100 day plan that he outlined wasn't really the idea, again, this being, you know, what he put out there is the contract to the american people, now what we have witnessed as we're achieving this 100 day marker, how much ownership does the president need to take where the buck stops at his desk? >> i think clearly a lot, thomas. it's been a learning experience for him the first 100 days. you mentioned on foreign policy that's a great example. because there was some aspects of foreign policy that have complexity that he didn't seem to have given a lot of thought to in the campaign trail. for instance, calling china a currency manipulator while also taking on north korea. you need china on your side to do that. same with syria. you want to punish assad for

nuclear weapons that's hard to do quoutd without taking back your comments on middle east. and president trump thought -- he at least seemed to think it would be easier to get through a health care bill. he had that famous quote about nobody knew health care could be so complicated. there are different camps within the white house. there's economic nationalist camp and there are the ideological conservatives and they don't want to move in the same direction. deregulation is one of the big things that he's done, either through executive action or fast tracking through the congressional review act. again, that has tension be the populist message. you want to take on wall street but you're deregulating them and letting them do more of wh whattant -- what they want here. the single biggest accomplishment for president trump so far is the confirmation of supreme court gorsuch and rob ribbed conservative -- and rock ribbed conservative on that court for the next 30 or 40

years. >> yeah. i talked about that yesterday. people pegged me on twitter saying no, it was really mitch mcconnell. you have to give him credit for this, t history will be written that it was president ump that had this go through. great to see you in person. great to have you on with us. let's review our pulse question for today. where we have been asking you to rate president trump's first 100 days. and where you fall on this. now, 95% of you are saying poor. 5% of you say great. as we break this down by age groups, viewers of all ages are saying that trump has done a poor job in the first 100 days. those aged 25 to 34 not quite as strong about it. but as we look at the graph of the political party breakdown, democrats and independents say that he's done a poor job. republicans polling more neutral on this right now. but again, 95% say poor. 5% say great. remember, you can log on and check in, let us know how you feel about this by going to pulse.msnbc.com/america. coming up next, the

administration now down playing president trump's promised big announceme announcement about tax reform. how much can he really deliver and you can make your voice heard on the next pulse question. agree or disagree, president trump should release his tax returns before attempting to sell america on new tax reforms. log on to pulse.msnbc.com/america. when a critical patient is far from the hospital, the hospital must come to the patient. stay with me, mr. parker. the at&t network is helping first responders connect with medical teams in near real time... stay with me, mr. parker. ...saving time when it matters most. stay with me, mrs. parker. that's the power of and.

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we'll be having a big announcement on wednesday, having to do with tax reform. the process has begun long ago, but it really formally begins on wednesday. >> so then we have president trump promising to roll out his tax reform plan this week. now he says americans will get an overhaul bigger than quote, any tax cut ever.

yet in a recent fox news poll it found that nearly half of those surveyed expect their taxes will go up. during the trump administration. the same poll founds americans far more concerned with seeing more jobs and the end of isis than cutting taxes. the president meanwhile still refusing to release his tax returns except for those revealed last month on "the rachel maddow show" from 2005. this brings us to the second pulse question of the day. agree or disagree, president trump should release his tax returns before attempting to sell a new tax plan to the american public. log on to pulse.msnbc.com/america and let us know what you think. joining me though is the -- from the committee for the responsible budget and ron insana. let's jump out of if gate here. we see the repeal and replace obamacare effort really far apart. will he find more common ground when he reveals the tax plan? he said tax reform, and then also talked about tax cuts. that's a big difference between

reform and cuts. >> it is a big difference. it is the critical difference really because people have been taking the desire to do tax reform which i think is absolutely necessary for a number of goals. most importantly getting the economy growing and creating jobs. but people have been saying that's similar to tax cuts which it is not at all because actually if we cut taxes, and we don't make up that difference somewhere that could end up being a huge drag on the economy. so i think the political calculation here is one that becomes very important because tax reform could do so much more the economy, but very difficult to do. you need to find ways to off set the costs. there are winners and losers and because they're focused on the political win the difficulties of tax reform may stand in way of getting it done. they may just try to cut taxes. that could have big reversal effect from the sustained economic growth. >> we know that while vice president pence was in australia

he talked about this and having the corporate tax rate lowered this would be for the big dogs. the folks that have the lobby t lobbyists already. the smaller, medium sized companies there's such a huge imbalance. >> comprehensive tax reform includes a lot. things. lowering the corporate rate and lowering the individual rates but also eliminating or reducing some of the deductions you get from let's say mortgage interest and the philanthropic and the like. the proposals both that paul ryan and the president have at least as far as we know cut the tax rates for small businesses that run an s-corporation, c-corporation, llc down to the corporate level which means if you are a doctor for instance and you make $1 million a year and your adjusted gross income is millions of dollars you get an adjusted tax. tax reform is a much broader issue which could include a

border adjustment tax. things that people are fighting about that makes an immediate move on tax reform somewhat unlikely. >> so i want to look at the opinion piece written by steve forbes and larry kudlow and they counciled mr. trump and he and mr. ryan say, it should add to the deficit, but it should be a tax cut and sold to the american people as such. ron is shaking his head here. maya, do you think the republicans need to forget about the pay forces right now? >> i think it's just real and really dangerous to the economy. so the most important thing about tax reform again is structuring so it that it will grow the economy. two critical things have been found to help with economic growth. one, actually not grong the debt massively. if your tax reform grows the debt the pro growth effects of the tax reform are undermined by

the negative growth effects of a ballooning debt to the point where your tax reform could be negative. a second find the base broadening stuff, the part of getting rid of a lot of the tax breaks that helps grow the economy as well because so many of those tax breaks distort how we allocate capital. it incentivizes us to put money in places that aren't best for economic growth. they' they're part of this important recipe for growth. so i think this argument is one we don't want to make the tough choices. we want to do something that's politically easy. let's cut taxes now. we can talk about off setting the costs down the road. we know that the tough choices never happen later. in the end we'll have much lower rates, much bigger deficits and in an economy that pays the price. so i think that line of reasoning is tempting and very damaging. >> as we look at the failure of health care and knowing that the complexity of that really added to that, kudlow and forbes also agree that the reform failure is

a bellwether, ron, for keep it simple, stupid. do you think that the white house -- honestly -- >> keep it simple. one of the problems -- >> simple and easy. >> of course. when you look at what happened with the failure so far of the american health care act to replace obamacare, buried within that is $1 trillion in tax savings that would go toward funding the comprehensive tax reform. it's more difficult to pay for the tax reform. and then you talk about the border adjustment tax, autos, retailers, energy and aircraft makers oppose. you talk about another $1 trillion in saving that would help to pay for comprehensive tax reform. now, larry, who's a good friend of mine, he has been on the supply-side bandwagon since the reagan days that they use dynamic scoring that the effects of stronger growth, because this is arthur laffer's original idea

since the reagan days. in isolation it could be true but you also then have to cut spending and that's something they're not talking about right now in any way, shape or form. it's what george bush called in 1980 voodoo economics. that's back where we are. >> and the trickle down aspect of thinking that the big cut to corporate companies is then going to create job growth which then gets more people into the system for paying taxes -- >> yes and no. >> that's something that paul ryan would like to see. >> we have a high stated tax rate for u.s. corporation, 35%. but their taxes are far, far lower so they're not paying the tax rates. what we don't know if they did have lower rates would they be confident enough in growth to add to the plant and equipment, would they hire more people? we don't know the answer to that question in this environment. >> a lot of the money remains

off shore. thank you. the question we have been asking you at home, agree or disagree, president trump should release his tax returns before attempting to sell this plan to the american people? first the overall tug of war on this. 2% of you agree, 98 -- excuse me, 2% disagree, 98% agree with this. breaking it down by political party, republicans, democrats, independents, all agree. but if we look at the gender breakdown, men and women strongly agree on this. now, president trump has said he is under audit, back to 2008. the irs can neither confirm or deny when a person is under audit. so he can truly be under audit or he might not be under audit. the mystery remains. >> but it doesn't matter. >> ron insana says it doesn't matter. projections are being made in france's historical presidential election. where it does matter, ron insana. things matter, okay. we'll take you to paris next as

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minister and a former banker. that doesn't sound like the profile you'd get, especially in the united states, but he had his own political party that he calls en marche. it creates a radical exuberant center. a big tent kind of proposition. that's what he's bringing into to the second round in the votes in two weeks a and he's facing off against marine le pen, a far right outsider who has been caedfrance's donald trump. now these two are sparring over so many different issues. they have so much that they're going to be disagreeing about in the next round of elections, but the most important thing here is that all of france's major political parties who have been the most historic figures in the fifth republic ever since world war ii they have been pushed to the said lines. they're not factoring in the second round of this vote. while this is unsurprising as a result, it's really

unprecedented as well, thomas. now, another winner here are the pollsters. as i mentioned, this is actually a vote that unlike brexit, which happened last year, and last year's u.s. election in which saw the upset victory by donald trump, the pollsters here actually called this one right. so thomas, we are seeing some vindication for those unlucky pollsters here in france. >> that is good news to come out of this. matt bradley following it for us. thanks so much. i know you'll be busy over the next two weeks to that may 7th election between le pen and macron. thank you, sir. coming up, president trump's harsh words about policing terrorism and you can make your voice heard on the next pulse question. agree or disagree, president trump's statements linking islam and terror and terror complicate cooperation between muslim-americans and police. log on to pulse.msnbc.com/america. don't let dust and allergens get between you

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with the attacks threatening to impact the presidential elections in europe, this week john kelly revealed there are investigations into radical terrorism in all 50 states. now the details of those investigations are unknown but some in the law enforcement community say president trump's harsh words about islam that is having a chilling impact. an effect. agree or disagree -- trump's statements linking islam and terror complicate cooperation between muslim-americans and police. log on to pulse.msnbc.com/america. with more on this, nbc's gadi schwartz. >> reporter: this week's terror attack in paris had police in the crosshairs. an isis attacker shooting up a police van on the champs elysees. within a day, president trump said whoever is the toughest on islamic terrorism could win the

election. those serving on the front lines get nervous any time those controversial words are uttered. >> when you categorize all of islam in that term, you tend to target and create vulnerabilities in communities. >> reporter: michael downing spent years heading up the lapd counterterrorism bureau. >> that is what isis wants, to have people feel oppressed or have grievances because it's easy to recruit into the ideology. >> reporter: for people in the communities broad anti-islam statements might make them think twice before going to authorities. that means less chance for police to disrupt an attack. how effective have these relationships been with the islamic community at preventing terrorist attacks? >> it's been huge. you know, there's pieces that i can't talk about it because they're still active. but just knowing that they're partners with us and the information that they have given us have led to disruptions and that's just not los angeles.

that's across the united states. >> reporter: in st. paul, minnesota, police say that the rhetoric has brought them closer to their community. redoubling their efforts to check in with the mostly muslim refugee community they have been working with for decades. organizing events, even taking kids roller skating. >> the vast, vast majority of our muslim community are there to support their community, they do some great work in our city. we trust them. they're our friends. they're our family. >> i had some good news. >> reporter: so far, their approach is paying off. >> what the police need is people that still believe in them. >> reporter: their relationship built on seeing each other as people. ignoring a political catch phrase that echoes loudly on twitter and tv. gadi schwartz, st. paul, minnesota. >> for more on this, i want to bring in the national security reporter, ken delaney.

explain the risk here when it comes to needing help from the muslim-american community in the fight against terrorism and how difficult that is of a job for ce iilding tse relationships of trust. >> well, thomas, since 9/11 police officials across the country have sought to build bridges with the muslim american community. like mike downing who we is a in the great piece by gadi schwartz. in the tiny percentage of cases where muslims become radicalized they want their friends or their family to say something, to report it. that's a really effective technique. it's thwarted a number of attacks since 9/11. and now downing and other officials are telling us that that is at risk. that cooperation is in question now. in some communities because of rhetoric coming out of the trump administration and in particular the use of the phrases like radical islamic terrorism and the travel order which was directed at muslim majority countries, been held up by the courts these are seen as divisive policies that have put

the muslim community on edge. >> this was the language used in the campaign that got president trump elected, so at what point are you hearing potentially from any sources about these counterterrorism initiatives going by the wayside if they do continue to make that trust -- that bridge of trust between muslim-americans and police harder? >> well, mike downing who you saw interviewed in the piece told me that he's very concerned that some of the cooperation that he built over years in los angeles is disintegrating and that muslim americans are becoming mistrustful and less likely to cooperate with law enforcement that's a bad thing. on the other side of it though, president trump's counterterrorism policy is not that different from barack obama. people like james mattis the defense secretary and hr mcmaster they don't subscribe to the hard thinking pushed by

steve bannon or sebastian or go ka. and so far the policy abroad and at home is not that different. drone strikes. kind of a limited bombing campaign that is working. and the question, thomas, is what happe and there will be a domestic terrorist attack it's seen as likely before trump leaves office, what happens when that attack comes, what proposals will the bannon wing push in the united states? >> ken delaney reporting out of d.c., nice to see you sir. thank you. we have been asking agree or disagree, president trump's statements linking islam and terror does it complicated cooperation between muslim-americans and police? log on to pulse.msnbc.com/america. we'll have results next. (vo) more "doing chores for mom"

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disagree president trump's statements about muslim-americans, does it hurt the efforts against the police? 6% of you disagree. 94% agree. break it down by education all education levels strongly agree, especially those with associate's and master's disagree. independents don't agree as much. so as we look at the final tally, 94% agree. 6% disagree. former president barack obama set to return to public life tomorrow after a three month break. he'll have a townall style discussion with students at the univerty of chicago. we're asking you to weigh in on the final pulse question of the day. agree or disagree, former president obama should take on president trump in his first public speech since leaving office. vote on pulse.msnbc.com/america. sometimes you just know when you hit a home run.

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i won't stop. in fact, i'll be right there with you as a citizen for all my remaining days. >> so that was back on january the 10th, the last time we heard from the outgoing commander in chief publicly during his chicago farewell address. tomorrow back to the beginning here, barack obama makes that return to the public stage for the first time since leaving the white house at the university of chicago. after this extended vacation, the former president will participate in a conversation with students and young leaders where he once served as a law school professor. the topic of discussion will be communitying community organizing and civic engagement. agree or disagree, former president trump in his first n public speech since leaving office you ca log on to pulse.msnbc.com/america. i want to bring in now political

reporter breaking news reporter louis nelson and nina burly from news week. and the epic "newsweek" story, this is trump marching into washington with his billionaires. nina did not do the art work. talented reporter but did not do the art. louis, the coincidence or not a coincidence that former president obama will be returning to the stage prior to the benchmark of 100 days for trump? >> you can only stay on vacation for so long and he's been photographed at private islands and yats all over the -- yachts all over the world. he's not going to take the reentrance into the public life as a chance to start taking shots at president trump, you know? he could always come out and surprise everybody. but the signs thus far have been

that he's -- you know, unlikely to do that. >> you don't think the slightest bit of shade? >> you know, it's certainly possible. >> okay. >> president obama's certainly been the kind of guy who can throw a good one liner or as good a one liner as anybody else. but you know, i think that he wants -- you know, to throw -- to tart throwing punch -- start throwing punches at trump gives trump an enemy and someone to punch back at and that's not what the president wants to do. that president obama wants to do. >> i know you pointed out about being on vacation forever. i would stay on vacation forever. we should make that a pulse question. would you stay on vacation forever, yes. so i'm going to hold this up again because in is the march into washington we have seen and the fact that we potentially may get some tax cuts, tax reform, big difference between the two statements from the president trump. but we know that former

president obama and president trump haven't really spoken. isn't president obama's legacy -- you know what he did over eight years kind of being dismantled piece by piece by president trump and is there a big friction there? >> well, i mean, there must be biriction there. it's certainly being dismantd since the first thing that president trump did was begin to undo those financial regulations that have been put in there after the 2008 crash by the obama administration. they have been -- the legacy of his first 100 days of success is actually the massive deregulation that has been under way. these are things that he can do without having to get congress involved. he's been deregulating the regulations that the obama administration put in to protect consumers from financial malfeasance and chicanery. so he certainly has -- you know if obama decides to speak to

trump he certainly has material to work with. but i think i agree that he's probably not going to give him that bait because we know that i think our president really d dis -- really does like to have an enemy and so does his base. they love for him to have an enemy, so if obama pops his head up and gives him that -- >> make it too easy. >> yes. >> louis, we know that it was during this past week that one of the former deputies within president obama's office said that he was still the leader of the democratic party. is that really from what you know inside with president obama kind of making this public appearance, is that something he wants to be or does he really want to try to take on this goodwill ambassador mantel, not just for the democratic party but for the world? >> yeah, i don't know that i see him really reaching out and trying to maintain the leadership role in the democratic party. and part of that is i think that -- you know, he has some

well deserved time to work on some other things outside the sort of intense day to day political work and also, you know, what role can president obama really play as a leader of the democratic party? he can't run for president again. he can't take another elected office -- he theoretically could but that seems far-fetched. i think president obama knows he has to leave room for somebody to follow behind him. who that next democrat is to step up and really fill the void left by president obama i think is still a little bit up in the air and nobody really has stepped up to fill that void quite yet. but i think obama knows that he can't take up all the oxygen on the democratic party. somebody else has to be the leader now. >> nina, from this reporting you did for "newsweek" and when billionaires attack, how many of these folks that are within the trump circle that you were looking into are democratic billionaires? people that donald trump has reached out to, that have come

in to the inside circle that are the friction of the west wing against the bannon team? >> well, certainly gary cohn from goldman is one of those guys, but i focused on seven actual billionaires. cohn from goldman is not. seven who are like trump most of them are not political ideolo e ideologues. they were centrists, they gave to both parties. >> hedging their bets. >> always hedged their bets. they have only got two interests in what he -- in having this man in office. one is deregulation. because they don't like plebe interference in the multimillion dollar business deals and tax cuts. they loathe taxes. those are the two goals that you see trump actually working towards. i mean, the whole obamacare -- let's take obamacare apart immediately really was in order

for them to be able to get the tax cuts. you know? and trump actually blurted that out in one of his campaign style post presidential appearances. he said, you know, we need to get this obamacare problem solved so that we can get to our massive tax cuts. and i think that's what we're seeing here. he has an agenda that has absolutely nothing to do with the entertainment aspect of his presidency which keeps his base so riled up and interested. there are two things that need to be done and he's working very hard to get them done and he's working -- he's succeeded in his first 100 days at one of them already. >> it's a difference from eight years of no drama trauma to all drama trump. we have been asking you at home with the pulse question, our final one of the day. agree or disagree, former president obama should take on president trump?

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hi, everybody. i'm thomas roberts here at msnbc world headquarters in new york. we start with new developments out of north korea where reports of a third u.s. citizen being arrested and detained. and this happened as