and do some fact checking in our segment for fact sake. plus, the gop is bringing the health care battle back to life. house conservatives are drafting a new plan to repeal and replace obamacare. freedom caucus members say th're ready to support it. i' speak with a member of that group. it's president trump versus the court in a battle over sang te -- sanctuary cities. why a judge says president trump cannot withhold money from those cities. good morning. i'm ali velshi in washington. president trump is about to hear over to the interior department to sign an executive order mandating a review of national monument designations by the last three presidents. this review is going to encompass dozens of monuments created over the past 21 years and millions of acres of land. the make focus will be on two sites in utah. the bear's years national monumented designated by president obama last year. and grand staircase monument, designated by president clinton

in 1996. state lawmakers pressed to remote the monument status for both sites, believed to hold fossil fuel resources. president trump is scheduled to make remarks in about 20 minutes as he signed his latest executive toorder. we'll bring it live when it happens. today's most anticipated event, the unveiling of president trump's plan to overhaul the nation's tax system. it is set to increase deductions is and major cuts for businesses big and small. all of this comes ahead of the president's 100th day in office on saturday. to start off, let's bring in kelly o'donnell, joining us from the white house. what do we know about the president's tax reform proposal? >> this will make a difference to businesses who say they are uncompetitive or less competitive based on what other business's countries tax rate is around the world. there are differences in what

those corporations are current payi based on their ability to shield some iome from taxation. so the effective rate many pay is not as high as 35%, the current u.s. corporate tax rate. but there could be some benefit to corporations here. it could be that psychological jolt that many are looking for. it could increase the ability of some companies to repatriate money they have offshore. in addition, you mentioned what it could mean for individuals. so if you have an increase in the ability to have a standard deduction at a higher rate, so that's shielding some of your income from tax, and that could have a real in your pocket benefit to americans. this is, of course, something the president has been talking about for a long time in terms of tax reform and tax cuts. it was a pit bit of a surprise some of his top advisers, wanting to do it before the 100

day mark. and i've seen these meetings going on for months, even back to the transition, about what they could do with tax reform. while it was a surprise, it doesn't mean they haven't been working on different ideas, components of a tax reform plan for quite some time. it will also take a very long time to move it through. to give you a sense of what is at stake for taxpayers, here is the treasury secretary, steven mnuchin, talking about the goal of this from the president. >> this is going to be the biggest tax cut and the largest tax reform in the history of our country. and we are committed to seeing this through. i will confirm that the business tax is going to be 15%. >> in a very trump style way, the biggest and boldest ever sort of characterization from the treasury secretary, who really has been working with president trump for more than a year on this. because he had been the finance chairman of the campaign. this has been an issue that he has wanted to work on. so that's the history behind it.

a big unveiling coming up later today, about 1:30, where we expect the top economic adviser inside the white house, gary cohn, and the treasury secretary to lay some of this out, answer some questions. as you know better than most, it is complex stuff, but the headline they want to get out is the notion that businesses could perhaps see a stimulation of their activity if they get a reduction in rate. and individuals could see more money in their pockets, as well. all, of course, subject to this becoming law down the line. ali? >> that sets us up well for the discussions we'll have about it. great to see you. thank you, kelly o'donnell at the white house. president trump's much-anticipated tax reform plan is expected to include a cut to corporate tax rates. >> american companies are taxed at one of the highest rates anywhere in the world. my economic team is developing historic tax reform that will reduce the tax rate on our companies so they can compete

and thrive anywhere and with anyone. >> time for us to check some facts. currently, the top marginal federal tax rate is 35% for companies. the president wants to slash it to 15%. by the way, the president wants to lower tax bills for so-called pass through businesses. currently, small business owners report their income on their individual tax returns. that means they often get taxed at the highest tax bracket of 39.6%. the president wants to lower that, as well, to 15%. tax cutting proponents complain u.s. corporations get taxed at one of the highest rates in the world. at 35%, the top federal rate is the highest in the developed world. the average national rate at which corporations are taxed in all developing countries is just 23%. that's a whopping 12-point difference. but -- and there is always a but -- most u.s. corporations don't give 35% of their pre-tax income to uncle sam. after tax breaks, credits and

deductions, they have effective tax rates that are much lower. when you compare effective tax rate that corporations actually pay, you see a level playing field. you'll hear many corporations already pay effective tax rates that are much lower. general electric is notorious for getting its tax billown to 14% of pre-taxincome depending on the year, some corporate behemoths like boeing don't pay any federal income tax at all. let's bring in a senior fellow focusing on tax policy at manhatt manhattan, a think tank. he served for rob portman of ohio and also a staff director on fiscal responsibility and economic growth. lots of other things which indicate you know a thing or two about taxes. let's just dispense with the idea that if we pay 35% corporate income tax, we're the highest in the world. we generally don't. >> right now, we have the worst

of both words, ali. we have one of the highest statutory rates in the world at 35%, yet, we don't raise much money at all. only 9% of our tax revenue actually comes from corporate taxes because it is driving so much business overseas because our tax rate is uncompetitive compared to the rest of the world. it would make more sense to have a lower rate that could bring in possibly as much if not more revenue, both from getting rid of unneeded tax breaks and from being more competitive and creating jobs. >> the way we think about it, and it is bipartisan, a lot of people agree, if more companies paid tax, and we pay a lower rate but more people paid it, we could fairly say maybe the tax rate currently -- the calculations i did showed 27% or 28% is the effective tax rate. we're going from there to aiming at 15%. >> i think the american people may actually accept 15% if they understand that certain companies that right now are paying even less, those you suggested, are actually going to

pay them and not just have it be a contest of who has the best layer. if people see integrity in the system, they can support a lower rate. it'll be much more competitive. right now, an american company in britain may pay the 35% british rate while competitors in other countries have a lower rate. if you have good lawyers, you don't pay it. we don't want money overseas. let's have every company on a level playing field. >> peter had someone on saying it could pay for itself. the math doesn't indicate that's true. it'll reduce the amount of revenue coming into the federal government, and we're not offsetting it in any way in terms of spending. the likely effect is an increase in the deficit. >> it will probably increase the deficit. i think you will have some revenue bump but it won't entirely pay for itself. you may have $1 trillion cost over ten years. generally, tax revenues are not the problem with the long-term deficit. it is driven by spending. we can cut taxes $1.5 trillion

and be taxing above the historical average. if we're going to keep spending the pace we are, you have to pay for it at some point. we're projected to have the debt at $10 trillion next decade followed by $22 trillion and then $45 trillion. if we're going to spend that money, we have to have a tax code that can raise the money. >> so that's hard. what you're talking about is much more budgetary than simply a tax cut. even if you did comprehensive tax reform, which this isn't, it's hard. it needs hearings, research, experts like you to testify and other people to say, this is how it'll help and this is how it'll hurt. i'm puzzled when i hear steve mnuchin and president trump say this is the biggest, baddest, hugest tax reform in america. it's not. >> the devil is in the details. there is a difference between this and writing a new tax code that puts companies on the same playing looef ining field.

tax reform is extremely hard, complicated and creates winners and losers. if congress is going to go more than cut rates but make a fair tax code, they're going to need a lot of hearings, a lot of focus, a lot of time. this could be even harder than tax -- >> the tax code, depend ong the form, is several books. 70 books or something like that. the reason it gets that way, we've been talking about a tax code that fits on to a postcard. it doesn't make sense. because there are winners and losers. i mean the government does determine certain activities of yours will be rewarded by a tax rebate or a credit, and certain activities will be penalized. are we proposed we have none of that, that everybody gets a check, pay a percentage and that's the end of it? >> on the individual side, it is hard to do. government wants to encourage things. for instance, we have the earned income tax credit which helps people who are working actually make more money. >> encourages work. >> exactly. that's something that was bipartisan support.

congress won't eliminate it for the sake of simplicity. we have a research and development tax credit that is important for innovation that i don't think the parties will eliminate. >> the postcard business is a little disingenuous, not a goal. >> postcard, probably not. simplification is probably the goal. >> thank you for joining us. next up, we are on capitol hill hearing both sides of the aisle this morning as congress works to pass a budget and avoid a shutdown. one republican is proposing mexican drug lord el chapo pay for the wall. will democrats go for that? i don't think so. democrats are reacting to the president trump's tax plan. i will speak with washington democratic congressman coming up. crohn's disease. i didn't think there was anything else to talk about. but then i realized there was. so, i finally broke the silence with my doctor about what i was experiencing. he said humira is for people like me

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i'm joined by republican congressman andy harris of maryland. in fact, he's maryland's only republican member of congress. he serves on the auatippropriat and homeland security committee. he's also a part of the freedom caucus, which just met. you just came out of a meeting. what'd you discuss? >> the iterations of the health care act and the mcarthur ame amendme amendment, the changes made in the past couple weeks that we think made the bill better. we're going to see if we can move on with it. >> we're getting reports that

the white house and freedom caucus are getting close to a deal on health care. is that the case? >> i think that's pretty accurate description. i'm not sure we're there yet, but i think we're getting pretty close. the latest iteration will certainly drive down premium costs. again, that's what we held out for a few weeks ago when the bill first didn't come to the floor. we thought it didn't bring down premiums enough. i think this iteration probably will. >> is that because it does not mandate insurance companies to provide some of those basic health benefits that obamacare required? >> oh, no. not at all. what it does, it establishes high risk pools like the risk-sharing pools which basically take the highest risk patients into separate pools, lowering the cost for everyone else. >> all right. we're talking about the mcarthur amendment proposed by tom mcarthur of new jersey, allowing states to seek waivers to weaken some of the obamacare insurance reforms, including preexisting conditions, including the

benefits that insurers must cover in their policies and ban on charging more based on a person's health background. where do you come down on that? >> well, actually, it doesn't do anything to preexisting conditions because, again, it requires those governors who would choose that to prove they have high risk pools that will cover those individuals. almost all the high risk pools are heavily subsidized. we think it is a good solution. it is a solution a lot of states like maine and maryland had in place before the american affordable care act. we think that's the way to go to bring down premiums for the vast majority of americans while preserving coverage for people with preexisting conditions. >> it is interesting. premiums had never gone down, even well before obamacare. they were always up. in fact, in the last five years, they've gone up by less. do you really believe that in this plan, premiums will go down on average for americans? i mean, that's never happened. >> well, that's incorrect. it has happened. if you look at the maine experience, when they put in the blind high risk pool, premiums went down between 20% and 40%. i mean, dramatic decreases in

the premiums for the average person when you create a high risk pool and subsidize those premiums for those patients through a different pooling. >> unfortunately, it hasn't happened on a nation basis. we haven't been able to do it on a national basis ever will. >> that's why we think these amendments, especially the palmer amendment, important, because we get a chance to do what happened in maine on a national scale. >> i think we're going to find that maine is not representative of the problems the entire united states faces when it comes to health care. >> actually, it is. because it has a -- >> it isn't. >> it has an older population than the average in the united states. and that's the demographic we're most concerned about getting affordable coverage for. >> well, i mean, we have diabetes which affects a large population, not necessarily based on an age, demographic. that actually occurs in different parts of the country more so than it does in maine. when you look at the high risk stuff, heart disease and

diabetes, i'm not sure maine is a great example. we'll talk about that another time. >> that'd be great. >> the tax plan, 15% reducing corporate taxes and increasing the deficit at the same time. >> well, that's -- you only increase the deficit if you use status scoring, which assumes lowering our corporate tax rate doesn't unleash the economy, bring it back to 3%, 3.5% economic growth which has been characteristic for the 50 and 100-year cycles before 2000. if you do that, the deficit goes down. if you use status scoring, that would be true. but you know, when we've lowered taxes before the last two times under the kennedy administration, it unleashed economic growth. >> in the reagan administration, the drop was big on individual tax, as well. if you're going to use maine, i'll use canada. they dropped corporate taxes to 15% and didn't unleash economic

growth at the level. >> canada is a much more socialistic country than the united states. if you don't control spending at the same time, you're not going to see that benefit. but we don't have the same -- we just don't have the same political environment that canada has. that's why canada probably didn't succeed in that. canada has never had the reputation of being a growth powerhouse in the world for the economy. we have. we can restore that through, again, these corporate tax reductions and pass through entity tax reductions the president is talking about. >> canada's growth exceeded that of the united states on a gdp basis for many years. in fact, recently. >> that might be because their corporate tax rate is lower than ours right now. >> representative andy harris, good to talk yo you. thank you for taking the time, especially coming out of the meeting, to have this conversation. appreciate it. >> thank you. >> andy harris, republican congressman from maryland. kasie hunt joins me now. your team just spoke exclusively with the head of the freedom caucus. i just had that conversation with andy harris. you have sense they're closing

in on a deal? andy harris suggested they might be. >> well, at this point, ali, there are still more questions than answers about where the freedom caucus sends on this amendment that was negotiated over the recess that has the potential to put the health care bill back in play. so we know the whole freedom caucus is planning to meet later tonight after votes and that briefing on north korea that they're getting later in the afternoon. the question, of course, is whether or not, first of all, can the freedom caucus get together on this? can they decide they're all -- or most of them going to come out in support of this? that's what it would take to balance out the potential moderate votes they might lose. you've seen moderate republicans this morning in the hallways, a little more tight lipped than usual. there's not an indication this is going to win many of them over. so there still may a question about whether or not they can get to 216 votes on something like that. speaker ryan was asked about this briefly, as well. he said, look, we're not going

to have a vote until we get to the votes we need 2r16. that's when we'll have a vote on health care. in the meantime, they, of course, are now talking to the white house about tax reform, which is another equally enormous project to try to undertake. i asked speaker ryan about it earlier today. take a look. >> we're getting really close. the administration, omb, along with our appropriators are down to the final things. i think we're making good process. csr is something separate the administration does. we're very, very close on everything else. now, it's getting down to the final details. >> so that actually was the speaker talking not about tax reform but the spending bill, which because we need something else to worry about up here on capitol hill this week, that's also on the table. but again, you heard the speaker signaling there that all is relatively well with the negotiations. the question is going to be whether they need to kick it into next week because they have to put the final touches on it.

with the border wall funding off the stable, it seems to be moving along slowly -- or quickly, rather. and securely. it is not like we're going to face a government shutdown, ali. the other thing i think we also have gotten the sound from mark meadows from earlier today. this is nbc's house producer with him in the hallway. take a look at that. >> we haven't taken any official positions. we're having ongoing discussions. obviously, we applaud tom mcarthur for his work and we need more of a meeting tonight. we are appreciative of mcarthur and the chairman's work. >> so there you had meadows kind of saying, look, we're going to continue to talk about it. he praised the people who -- the chairman involved in writing the bill. again, still more questions here than answers. onkey thing to look for here goin forward on health care is what is the club for growth do,

what does heritage action do? those are the third-party conservative groups putting pressure on the freedom kcaucus. >> kasie hunt for us. lots going on there today. joining me now is democratic congressman derrick kilmer of washington, a member of the appropriations committee. congressman, good to see you. we're talking tax reform but i want to talk about health care. republicans didn't want to see this obamacare repeal, but with all of this movement with the freedom caucus and the white house and potentially a deal, is it your fear that at this point, if they get conservative republicans on board, this could be it for obamacare? >> well, i think the concern o not just mine. the concern is of the american people. listen, what the congressional budget office said was their health care bill would leave 24 million americans without coverage. on top of that, would jack up premiums.

that's not something -- not only do democrats not support that but the american people don't support that. >> right. but really the issue here is whether republicans in congress sup poport it. this is mathematics. if they get the freedom caucus on board, is that enough? >> it remains to be seen. i think the dynamic we've seen at play is sort of a too big person with a too small blanket. every time i try to cover my top, my feet get cold. that's the dynamic you've seen between the freedom caucus and the more moderate members. i don't think the dynamic has gone away. particularly as you see proposals put on the table to deny funding for people with preexisting conditions, to end the medicaid expansion. these are things that are really problematic, not just to moderate members and democrats but to the american people. >> i just had a conversation with your colleague, andy harris, from maryland. the question here is this reduction in tax to 15% corporate taxes. the idea that that is going to

stimulate economic growth and off offset the increase to the deficit. you have a history as a business consultant. what's your thought on this? >> i think tax reform is an area where you could see democrats and republicans come together. there's general agreement that the current tax code is uncompetitive and lord knows middle class families need a break. the problem is, there's problems on substance and on process. substantively, i think there's a lot of concern that the president is going to provide deep tax cuts to the wealthiest americans and jack up the federal debt. that's a problem. on process, it is hard to expect people to be there for the landg if ty haven't been invited for the takeoff. you've seen no congressional hearings on this, no outreach from the administration to members of the congress on this. i think that doesn't exactly set the table for success. >> what is your sense though about the effect? i've been arguing that the

effective corporate tax rate is 27%, not really 35%. but of bringing that down to 15%, do you think that will actually spur economic growth in the way that the white house and treasury secretary mnuchin and your colleague, andy harris, all say it will? >> i think there's going to be debate about the debailtails. i think broadly there is an opportunity to reduce rates and simplify the tax code to drive investment here in the united states rather than having it happen overseas. the reality is though that you also see a drag on our economy as a consequence of the national debt. and in pursuing this strategy, if it blows a giant hole into our deficit and adds to the debt, that doesn't help our economy grow. >> what's your sense -- kasie hunt was just saying she thinks things have calmed because of the border wall removal from the budget request. do you have a sense we're going to get the continuing resolution? any chance of a shutdown this weekend as far as you're seeing

things? >> as long as there's progress being made, conversations and good faith, i think that's less likely. but, i mean, here we are again, right? we've gone from a fiscal cliff to more like a fiscal mountain range. congress continues to govern from crisis to crisis. we're talking about a spending bill that was supposed to be done at the end of september. then the can was kicked to december. now to the end of april. i think it is very frustrating to the american people. i think there's no reason that congress can't get this done. speaker ryan could have put a bill on the floor that a majority of democrats would support, majority of republicans would support. it means it has to include things that the american people want, which is funding to support working families, our veterans. it shouldn't include things the american people don't want, like language to fund a border wall the president said mexico was going to pay for, or language that might jack up people's health insurance premiums. >> republican senator ted cruz has an interesting plan to help pay for the wall. it's the el chapo act.

listen to it with me. >> if el chapo is convicted, the famed mexican drug lord, the estimates are his criminal fortune is worth $14 billion. coincidental coincidentally, the estimates for the cost to build a wall range from $14 billion to $20 billion. my legislation provides that if those assets are forfeits, the assets from el chapo will go directly to building a wall and securing the border. i think chuck schumer and the democrats want to shut down. i think they're trying to provoke a fight. >> what's your reaction to that? points for creative thinking to ted cruz on that one. >> well, good luck with that. i mean, the reality is, i talk to folks in my district, the infrastructure they care about is not a border wall. the infrastructure they care about is making sure that they can get to work and that they're able to cross bridges that aren't at risk of falling. i think that's where the congress should focus its energies. i'd also just refute the point. listen, no one wants to see a government shutdown.

you know, it creates deep problems not just for federal agencies but for the economy, as well. my background was in business. you would never see a business function this way,here if there was a management disagreement, they'd shut down the business. >> right. >> this is not a way to do business. >> no, it is absolutely not a way to do business. another question for you. you have a background in business but you're also on the interior and environment subcommittee. president trump is moments away from signing a executive order that directs the interior department to review all national monument designations on fasederal public land since 1996 that are 100,000 acres or more in size. there are a couple things they're looking at. it could open up more protected lands for drilling, logging or mining. on the surface, it looks like a state's rights argument. really, it looks like removing federal designation from a couple of sites where there might be fossil fuels underneath. what do you make of this? >> listen, the antiquities act and the national monuments have been an amazing american success

story. i represent a direct that has olympic national park. the important thing is, these have been valuable designations not just for conservation purposes, they've been amazingly positive for economic growth, as well. joust th just this morning i was meeting with a small business owner from my district. he makes fishing po ining polls. listen, this is not a democraticish shoo ydemocratic i issue, too. we've seen the antiquities act used by 16 presidents. republicans and democrats. >> great to be with us. >> thanks. coming up, we're taking the pulse of americans across the country as president trump marks his first 100 days in office. we'll hear from prominent voters in new york city, including celebrity chefs, actors on how they're grading the president. >> antonin scalia, securing our border, reducing illegal --

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president trump is at the department of the interior right now, responsible for the management and conservation of most federal land and natural resources within the united states.

we just set it up. he is about to talk about the designations of antic quities a. >> he's been a great vice president, great help and everybody loves mike pence. i just want to thank you for your service. been incredible. it's a real pleasure to be at the department of interior where you help preserve the splendor and the beauty of america's natural resources. and i can tell you the group that's in here right now, they're really doing the job. right? they're doing a great job. we're going to take care of alaska, too. don't worry about it. and they protect the ability of the people to access and utilize the land which truly belongs to them. and plong belongs to all of us. secretary ryan zinke is doing an incredible job.

and he never overlooks the details. he is a detail person. soon after he was confirmed, we had a snowstorm, big one. and he was out there on the steps of the lincoln memorial shoveling the snow all by himself. he's a strong guy. he did a good job. he did a very, very good job. but we're proud of him. the first 100 days, we've taken historic action to eliminate wasteful regulations. they're being eliminated like nobody has ever seen before. there's never been anything like it. sometimes i look at some of the things i'm signing and say, maybe people won't like it, but i'm doing the right thing. no regular politician is going to do -- i don't know what you folks would do. i will tell you, literally, some politicians have said, you're doing the right thing. i don't know if i would have had the courage to do some of these things. but we're doing them because it's the right thing to do. it's for the good of the nation.

we're returning power back to the people. we've eliminated job-destroying regulations on farmers, ranchers and coal miners, on auto workers and so many other american workers and businesses. today, i'm signing a new executive order to end another egregious abuse of federal power and to give that power back to the states and to the people where it belongs. the previous administration used a 100-year-old law known as the antiquities act to unilaterally put millions of acres of land and water under strict federal control. have you heard about that? eliminating the ability of the people who actually live in those states to decide how best to use that land. today, we are putting the states

back in charge. it's a big thing. i'm pleased to be joined by so many members of congress and governors who have been waiting for this moment, including governor herbert of utah. thank you. thank you, governor. governor lepage of maine who, by the way, has lost aot of weight. i knew him when he was heavy, and now i know him when he's thin. i like him both ways, okay? done a great job. governor calvo of guam. thank you. governor torrez from the northern mariana islands. thank you, governor. i also want to recognize senator oren hatch who, believe me, he's tough. he would call me and call me and say, you've got to do this. is that right, oren? >> that's right.

>> you didn't stop. he doesn't give up. he's shocked i'm doing it, but i'm doing it because it's the right thing to do. but i really have to point you out. you didn't stop. and, mike, the same thing. so many people feel -- mike lee. so many people feel so strongly about this, so i appreciate your support and your prodding and your never-ending prodding, i should say, because we're now getting something done that many people thought would never, ever get done. i'm very proud to be doing it in honor of you guys. okay? thank you. all together, the previous administration bypassed the states to place over 265 million acres -- that's a lot of land -- million acres. think of it, 265 million acres of land and water under federal control through the abuse of the monuments designation. that's larger than the entire

state of texas. in december of last year alone, the federal government asserted this power over 1.35 million acres of land in utah, known as bear's ears. i've heard a lot about bear's ears. i hear it's beautiful. over the profound objections of the citizens of utah. the antiquities fact does not give the federal government unlimited power to lock up millions of acres of land and water, and it's time we ended this abusive practice. i've spoken with many state and local leaders, a couple of them here today, who care very much about preserving our land and who are gravely concerned about this massive federal land grab. it's gotten worse and worse and

worse. now we're going to free it up. which is what should have happened in the first place. this should have never happened. today, i'm signing this order and detectiirecting secretary zo end these abuses and return control to the people. the people of utah. the people of all of the states. the people of the united states. every day, we are going to continue pushing ahead with our reform agenda to put the american people back in charge of their government and their lives. again, i want to congratulate the secretary. i want to congratulate oren and mike and all of the people that work so hard on bringing it to this point. tremendously positive things are going to happen on that

incredible land. the likes of which there is nothing more beautiful anywhere in the world. but now, tremendously positive things will happen. so i want to thank you. i want to thank everybody for being here. god bless you all. and god bless america. thank you. thank you very much. so i'll sign. >> president trump about to sign the executive order for a review of designations under the antiquities act, extensively to give states control over a couple of sites, in particular, in utah. one of them is in utah. the real reason for this is two of the sites that will come under review, and the president,

by the way, the department of interior will have to report to president within 45 days, and a final report in 120 days. extensively, it is because there are fossil fuels under a few of these sites and states want control of them so that they can drill for whatever is underneath them. so remember, the wording is a little unusual here. the idea is that states know best how to control their lands, and the people and governments of states should control them. a couple of the sites were designated as federal lands to protect them from drilling, basically. looking for natural resources. now president trump is saying they should go back for that purpose. that's what this is all about that you are watching. as we inch closer to president trump's 100th day in office, we're taking the pulse of people all over the country, democrats and republicans. they are reflecting on the president and what he's done so far. nbc's chris jansing joins me now. you hosted a panel of prominent voices in new york city. you've been going around the

country on this one. what'd you hear in new york? >> i think there is a big change from after t inauguration. now they're more hopeful. that doesn't mean these five new york power players, long-time activists, aren't still angry with donald trump. >> first 100 days. what grade would you give donald trump? >> an i for incomplete. incompetent. >> to get a grade, you have to turn in a paper. nothing is being turned in right now. incomplete. >> the biggest asset of trump's first 100 days have been the combo of arrogance and incompeten incompetence. >> a big f for sure, no question about it. i think that started the first day after the inauguration, taking down the climate change w page on the white house website. >> you seem emotional about it. >> i am emotional about it. 100 days, to me, has been almost like 100 years of solitude. i was born in canada but this is my home. i want to participate.

i want to fight. yet, a part of me is a -- part of me feels like, but why? >> why work on immigration and it's been a disaster, the first 100 days. but what i fear is it is going to get worse. >> you have to win on sanctuary cities. >> we had some wins. one heartening thing is the courts have pushed back. so we have to rely on the courts, but we also have to hope that if we can continue humanizing these stories, that the president will see, maybe we don't have to rip families apart in order to make the country safer. >> you work with a lot of the families, christine. he has said, not in this budget, but he's not backing down on the wall. >> donald trump clearly believes a lot of things that have actually no reality anywhere out of his, you know, skull. i mean, his strategy on immigration is to break children apart, to pull children out of their mother's arms. what's the first thing he did related to the lgbt community?

he attacks transgender children. >> the immigration issue looms large and it is big in the restaurant and food business. >> when food prices go up, when it becomes impossible for farmers to hire a crew to pick vegetables, tomatoes and hurts the average american in the pocket, i think things will change quickly. that's what you can hope for right now. >> once we had a trade war with mexico, and mexico stops buying corn from iowa, and they buy corn from brazil for feed, it is going to hurt iowans. >> started a trade war over canada. >> and we're the nicest country. >> i know you saw, ali, justin trudeau came out and is unhappy about the new tariffs. a lot of what i hear from the democratic panels is they are confounded by the choices they see him making. for example, if you're going to go in one direction on trade, why would you start with canada? more to come on this. >> as i said yesterday, if you

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president trump is slamming a federal judge's ruling that blocks part of his order on sanctuary cities. they issued an injunction yesterday forbidding the white house from who wouldiith holdin from cities that do not immediate with the sanctuary cities. mayor, good to see you, thank you for being with us. you go a letter from the justice department. what is your reaction on the executive order. >> first, passing comprehensive reform, majors would not be in a

battle with the president and law enforcement in the middle. so we encourage them to set it right. our first responsibility is to keep the streets of america safe and we fight crime every day and we do it irrespective of status. and this is an unses fig-- unnecessary fight to be having. there is not even a definition of sanctuary cities. we gave them a detailed plan of fighting criminals, not just those that are committed by immigrants, but those committed by everyone else. >>. >> so comprehensive immigration reform, it has not happened for a long time, there is a chance

we could grow a full head of hair before it happens. i spoke to attorney general sessions the other day and he said what you and other cities are doing is illegal. you're listening to holding back federal funds from these cities. >> i hate to correct the attorney general, but he is wrong. we're not doing anything illegal. we're operating under two decent decrees and we're following a law written by the homeland security and the department of justice. if a law is vague, overly brood you can't determine who is for it and against it. what the mayors and the police chiefs want is a frank conversation with homeland security and doj. let's narrow the focus of what

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has been going on for decades. tell me what the bone of contention is. >> it has been going on since about 1982 in official terms, but there has been squabbling over the trade. sometimes canada wins the adjudicati adjudication. this is the mccoy and hatfield problem in is not going to get resolved. he is weighing into it again if it was president clinton, she would have been doing the same thing. back and forth all of the time. it's not resolvable, and by the way it was set aside from the nafta deal all together. i don't know why he is bringing it up other than just rattling the competition. >> the tariff is expected to raise the cost of building houses here in america. it could slow down in a construction and 8,000 jobs

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thank you for watching this hour of msnbc live. i'll be on throughout the course of the day dealing with tax refo reform stuff. thrilled to be handing it over to andrea mitchell. >> right now on a special edition of "andrea mitchell reports" tax talk. a massive cut for businesses, but is he ignoring the deficit?

>> this will be the biggest tax cut and the largest tax reform in the history of our country and we are committed to seeing it through. >> follow the money. do fired national security advisor michael flynn break the law by allegedly not disclosing payments from groups connected to vladimir putin? >> asking the white house to give document that's are not in the hands of the white house is ridiculous. >>. >> all options are on the table. we want to bring kim jong-un to his senses, not to his knees. we have john mccain this hour, also leon pinetta,