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this was him just moments ago. >> they asked me to renegotiation. we have to make a deal that is fair the united states. instead of terminating nafta we will renegotiate. if i'm unable to make a fair deal for the united states, i will terminate nafta. >> and a field trip, the entire senate bussed to the white house. even the chairman gave it a big yawn. >> how it was? >> it was fine. >> did you learn anything in there you didn't know before? >> i didn't really. they already have reporting, and you know they have nuclear
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weapons, but it was an okay briefing. >> what do you mean it was okay? >> you didn't really learn much? >> i -- it was okay. >> and good day, i'm andrea mitchell in washington as we now learn that the pentagon expecter general is investigating michael flin who has foreign government payments, eli jah cummings firig back at the white house. the white house refused, absolutely refused, to produce even a single document, not a single document in response to the bipartisan document request that i sent with our republican chairman. sean spicer made all kinds of
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excuses about how hard it would be to comply with our request. come on, man. that excuse, in the white house will not fly. >> nbc national correspondent peter alexander is at the white house. i want to get to this, why is the white house saying they have no pairp work, they're not going to comply on this, it is a bipartisan request. >> we asked for any specific statement they have in response to the new information today. we learned about the inspector general now in the comments made. some guidance, some form of a statement will be provided in the course of the day. perhaps during sean spicer's briefing a short time from now. they have been distancing themselves from the former national security advisor saying
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saying a lot of this stuff has been looked into before, but he was certainly a member of the administration. it is up to each individual member of this administration to fill out the forms as they are kind cased and to tell the truth in the course of that process. they're just trying to push back on this narrative? >> we understand that jason chaffetz is saying his ranking member broke protocol by sharing the d.o.d. documents without checking. it could be a move to try to get them to subpoena the tumts. so i think there will be a lot of back and forth on this. let's get to taxes, you have been looking through this, staying up all night studying that one-pager, but more seriously, how do they explain it is a tax plan when they have no details?
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>> i think they are not framing this as a plan so much as is broad parameters. e rhetoric, their views on is, into a bill that we should all recognize is not going to happen perhaps not until late summer. health care has to happen first. a senior advisor as conceded to me here, it is notable this lack of specificity is so significant. this is really a pr pitch, not only. they're trying to overhaul the tax code with a one-page outline that is wuchb page long and only uses seven minutes in it. what is notable is they need more people involved in the process. they need other groups to play ball. this is aspirational, and they
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hope that nothing can really be judged until you have more specifics. it was striking how often yesterday we heard from gary cohen and steve manchin and they said we just don't have those details right now. they feel like they started to address the conversation and get it going. >> peter alexander, thank you so much. this morning our friends at nbc's first read gave us a reality check as we approach the first 100 days, first, the sales tax cut that was the biggest cut ever. details tba perhaps not until august. health care, a major breakthrough for house republicans. conservative republicans in the
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freedom caucus are now endorsing that, but it is leading to defexs that are worried about the state's provisions. the president was planning to drop out of the north american free trade green as he promised in the campaign calling the leaders last night to say if they negotiate they would stick with the deal. joining me now, andy card, former chief of staff to president george w. bush. welcome both to you. two experienced pros. you not only were in the bush 43 white house and secretary of transportation for bush 41, but you were a lower level aid in the reagan white house.
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>> i was, yes. >> we want to talk about what he did when he proposed tax refort back in 1985. it was a tax overhaul. takes a long time. this was reagan's rollout. an oval office address for 20 minutes. >> let's take a larger working family, a husband, wife about and four children earning $26,000 a year. right away under our plan, the value of that family's personal exemptions is $12,000. add to this the new higher standard deduction, and if they save an ira, they could be lowering it by $18,000. they would pay only a $1200 tax. again, an effective tax rate of less than 5%.
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>> the comparison is stunning. >> it is a different time president reagan came to office having been a governor he knew how to invite people to be part of the solution. he laid the ground work with some of the specifics that he could then take and put into an dress them. president trump, as a governing leader, it is a broad outlike, but it is also an inif i vags for kevin brady and the wanes and means committee, for them to get engaged, put some meat on the bones, knowledge into the process, to come up with a real tax reform system.
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he is inviting people to be part of the solution. he really laid a bear outlike of a tax plan, but it was really an invitation to come and be at the table and produce something that will take us in the right direction. >> but when he signed the tax bill, he was thanking them, was there any democratic input that -- he didn't reach out to republicans, and ternly not democrats. >> i think you're being very charitable to what we saw yesterday. i think it is hard not to look at this in light of everything else the administration has done every the past 100 days. things are being put out with no consultation. they are not doing their home work and this is hard work. there is a reason the tax plan
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has not been overhauled because it takes hard work to bring people together to work out these details. rather than doing the hard work, the president was so interested in checking something off and getting a potential win by putting out a bear bones plan that they could not do any of that work. i think it would be nice if the president took the time to governor rather than checking things off, the promises he made, and unable to -- >> let me ask you about nafta, how will be the base respond to him now saying i talked to the mexican leader, saying we'll negotiate, it and not rip it up. >> i'm encouraged to see that he is working with people now. but that doesn't mean you can just throw them away.
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there are consequences that the president didn't anticipate, he is learning those consequences, i'm glad, and we should be celebrating that he is not stuck on stupid. >> let me ask you both about mike flynn. the state department is looking into it, but there is a little dysfunction on the oversight side. they are breaking up over the release on these. he was national security advisor for 24 days and he did not disclose payments, and now there are suggests by politico that the turkish company he worked for was close to putin. this is one of the tragedies of what happened. the transition process did not do the vetting home work if is
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about the president's ability to do his job. it is about protecting the country. the president wanted people around him that could earn confidence and respect. so we learned a lesson from it. i was lased with general mcmaster. let's give them credit for having recognizing a problem and changing the nation and people. >> yeah, i mean i think this is serious business, and they are claiming executive privilege because who knows what is in there. particularly because the president has fired this guy. he took steps to address it. but they have to be forth com g
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coming -- this was the national security advisor of the united states. >> and a big wake up call for everybody in the white house. i'm glad it happened very, very early. >> this is among the most serious that we have seen, but every white house learns the vetting mistakes. >>. >> that is great with sean spicer. i wish they would call him up and get some council. and the fitzwater fellows are being celebrated today. he is just a rock solid noble public service.
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excuse me. we had a change of administration. esident trump, of course. president trump issuing a new threat that is aimed at possibly breaking up the ninth circuit court. the president telling the "washington examiner" he considered proposals to split up the court. what is going on in the ninth circuit is a shame. it is great to see you, mr. attorney general, you're the lawyer, i'm not, how could the president of the united states theoretically brak up the ninth circuit court. >> i guess fe he has-- if he ha
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large enough temper tantrum he can do anything. he can resolve his problems with the ninth circuit by proposing constitutional executive torders. he doesn't have to go after judges, he could just just break them up. >> this is also a larger issue for what oklahomaland security's for what homeland security's immigration plan is coming here. this is john kelly talking about his new office. let me play that. >> we're opening a new office today as part of the ice family. we call it the voice office. the victims of immigration and crime engagement. people that are victimized by
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illegal aliens for the first time a voice of their own. >> mr. attorney general, with all due respect to the secretary, i would prefer to reference to people as undocumented immigrants, but in any case, what would be the impact of this new office? what is the impact? >> i have no idea. and they're going -- they have been doing a lot of fun things. what they do is according to the law. secretary kelly is the secretary of the department of homeland security. whatever they do, make sure it doesn't violate the constitution and they allow us in california to do our public safety and general welfare the way they
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think is best. >> what options legally do you have to fight the sanctuary cities option? >> as you see we have had many options. and the trump administration's overreach. rather than focus on immigration enforcement where they are targeting those that are most dangerous. they made it possible for california and other states to provide the kind of public safety they expect. when you break the bond of cooperati cooperation. it make it's very difficult to provide the public safety. we're fighting a lot of people,
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a top north korea government official says a sixth nuclear test will happen. the tests will never stop as long as the u.s. continues what they consider acts of aggression. this as senators came to the white house for that unusual briefing on the threat. a member of the foreign relations committee was there and is at the committee now. one of your colleagues said that she thought the briefing was a doing and pointy show. he is the chairman of the committee, what say you? >> our vital regional ally of south korea and japan.
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it is e voling from the trump administration. i will be more positive and say that i think it serves our national interest for us to try and find a path toward for what it is different. >> why could this not have been done on capitol hill where you have a secure room rather than in a gjerry rigged auditorium i an office building in the white house that had to be retro fitted? >> of course it could have been done just a as easily here capitol hill most of the briefings i have ever participated in were done here. the last would use the room at the white house. this was an awkward setting.
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we did get to hear in detail from the chairman of the joint chiefs from the secretary of state, the one add on was president trump who came and spoke briefly to us. i think it is a common challenge. getting china to take it's responsibility for having supported and facilitated. the hundreds of thousands of americans in south korea to the tens of thousands of american servicemen and women, and potentially to the american homeland. i think we should take is seriously and focus on trying to come up with a successful strategy. >> is it your take away that we're taking on more sanctions?
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more economic sanctions rather than pre-emptive military action? prior to north korea doing anything more provocative. >> we are forward deploying more assets. and the missile defense system all to south korea and the waters off of south korea as a way of reassuring and being prepared to defend our allies in japan. we are going to pursue a diplomatic strategy. i think the trump administration needs to reck size an irresponsible proposal. it is an announced strategy. this is exactly the moment andrea when we need the foreign service. engaging with our allies and potential partners in order to make this a focus for countries
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around the world. secretary hillary clinton did a job of martialing the nuclear weapons. making north korea a pariah and engaging a response. that means we need more, not less resources. >> there is reporting in the new york times right now that the new secretary of state is not planning to nominate key positions. right now he has a nomination for a deputy secretary, but no one else has even been nominated. and that he is not planning to fill those flots until 2018.
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>> we have emerging or pressing problems in many places in the world. north korea, south china sea. we have meant of challenges as well as ones that we faced for years now like iran's nuclear threat. it is prornt that we have a full compliment of ldiplomats supporting us around the world. i did meet earlier today with the nominee to be our next ambassador to china. the former governor of iowa, governor branstad, would play a critical role if he was confirmed. democrats are not blocking these nominations. they simply are the not moving
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talk to your doctor, and call 844-214-2424 to learn more. there may be signs of life for that republican health care plan as republicans have endorsed a bill gives states a right to opt out of some coverage. we went to ohio which voted overwhelmingly for trump to find out how people are feelingbout the health care battle. >> in ohio, a rur community north of columbus, life can be charming but it is often marred by tough decisions. >> sometimes you have to make the choice do i buy groceries, medicine, or go to the doctor? >> katie and phillip, parents of four, voted for trump hoping to change obama care.
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>> do i think we need to get rid of it completely? no. but i think there are lot of improvements to be made. >> they still believe what the president says. the plan gets better and better, and it's gotten really, really good. a lot of people are liking it a lot. >> married with three children, rob robin oats has mixed feelings about how he is handling it in his first 100 days. >> the fact that he has not been able to replace it or repeal it has been good. >> clinics like this one are paid for with medicaid expans n expansion. before this a health care center was a hour and way and for many the only time they saw a doctor was in the emergency room. under the new g.o.p. plan still being hashed out on capitol hill, facilities like this could lose funding. if that happens, robin hopes her
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family will be able to afford insurance. >> say the premium for the two of us is $350, that is half of one of my husband's paychecks. >> what do you want to see the president do as far as health care is concerned? >> i don't think anyone wants to have a free ride, but make it affordable. >> for now this farming community that planted their hopes in a trump presidency is still giving him more time to deliver. >> and rema is joining me now from canton, ohio. how do people feel about that promise when they see the details, it will change every day on the hill. >> it makes it very complicated. 71% of the people voted for trump in this area. many did not know details about what it meant when he said repeal and replace obama care. they didn't understand that some
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of the health care insurance that makes it possible for them to come to this facility could be in jeopardy. when you inform them of that, they say well i don't want to lose that. i don't want to lose what allows know have a mammogram, colon colonoscop y or abuse treatments. it is very complicated for people here that don't want any of their benefits taken away. >> thank you for your reporting from ohio. that is indeed trump country. for more on the health care battle, taxes and the rest, part of the washington post and white house reporter. you have seen this movie before. starting with the health care rush to get something out, that may have some life in it, but then that tax plan, the one page deal with no details -- >> we call that not a plan, but
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a postage stamp. >> and what was the line that it could have been put on the back of an envelope? >> yeah, a postcard. we are in a strangeble. there is a scramble to look like you're doing something. i just came from capitol hill where no one is discussing it. if you're walking up there, talking to leadership, you're saying yesterday was a publicity stunt. is there a health care vote, and is it possible those things could happen on the same day. i have not seen congress deal with things like that in one day. >> let's watch.
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>> he is asking them to vote for a bill that is wildly unpopular. there will be doodoo stuck to their shoe for a long time to come. and with terrible consequences to american people. >> that is her political assessment, but she is graphic in the way she is describing it. >> yeah, but she is absolute lit right. there are members who heard an earful. saying you tried to do it when president obama was there. and there are more moderate people who are trying to keep the aspects of the health care bill that are popular. >> and health care in and of itself is so complex, and it has to be done before they deal with tax reform and this is not tack
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reform. it takes a couple years generally to do it, and coming up with something that is revenue neutral or, you know, deficit neutral -- this is a tax cut. >> yes, there is that, but just the complexity level, i have been surveying people on the hill all week. what is more complicated or hard to do and some people are split. . it was enormously hard to get it passed. having gone through the 86 story, tax reform touching everybody. they have trillions of dollars at stake, and they are doing it and it is even harder to do. smully, or in theory, at least, and look like they're trying.
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>> here is charlie from pennsylvania, talking about his reaction to the changes made to entice the freedom caucus back in. >> why can't you get to yes? >> because the under lying bill and the now amendment failed to address the concerns i have been raising. there is not a soft enough landing for states like mine that expanded medicaid. that is the first issue. teo many people will not be able to afford insurance. and it is further weakening protections for people with those conditions. >> and we're talking about trump country, also. >> i think every bit to the right this bill moves you lose more moderate members, but the tuesday group members that are more moderate is they are team players. they are not going to vote for
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something they sympathy a bad bill, absolutely not. that is what you heard congressman dent talking about, but they're likely to go along with the leadership. voting no, proudly so, thumbing their nose at everything. >> john, getting back to the tax issue as well. this was chuck schumer, while we were on the air, his take on it. >>. >> the president's outline was a direct assault on the middle class. what president trump unveiled yesterday is not the trump tax plan if is a plan to lower president trump's taxes. the taxes of his cabinet, and people as welty althiy ay as th. >> we do know from one year that was exposed, he paid some $30 million on the alternative
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minimum tax, that would be taken out. >> we also know a lot of real estate partnerships fall into the pass through corporations and they get a big tax cut. the argument is that this is a rerun of how all of the tax arguments are. they're going to say it is trickle down economics, designed to help the wealthy, and they're right. but there is almost no enthusiasm for this with no one among deficit hawks. so he has critics on the left, and he has a lack of enthusiasm. it is what is currently laid out. >> john, we'll be watching the sir -- circus.
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the president in a 24-hour about-face says he won't pull out of nafta after a call with leaders of canada and mexico and will negotiate and that will start immediately. joining me now is republican senator cory gardner, chairman of the subcommittee on east asia and cyber security policy. senator, i want to ask you about north korea, but nafta, this is happening at the white house in the last hour or so, and now we hear from prime minister trudeau in dan, his description of the phone call with the president that he told president trump, ripping up nafta would cause a lot of pain and they agreed on renegotiating, how will that go with the base after the promises to tear up nafta on day one? >> if you're loorg at colorado perspective of which i have nafta has been positive for our state. a farmer, you've benefited greatly from that trade agreement. high-tech manufacturer up and down the front range of colorado you've benefitted from the trade
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agreement. it's created thousands of jobs, trade with canada and mexico and colorado has increased nearly 400% over the past decade plus and so it has been a positive for colorado. now, maybe it hasn't worked everywhere across the country and that's why i think it's appropriate to talk to mexico and canada how to make it work for all three nations. ultimately i think we're better off by remaining part of this. >> now, to north korea, you were part of that briefing, of course, i guess only bernie sanders was a no-show on matter of principle, what did you learn from that briefing that you did not know before? >> kind of knee deep in the issues surrounding north korea's chairman of the east asia subcommittee i've held classified and unclassified hearings on kim jong-un and his nuclear efforts and it so wasn't so much as a -- new information, at least to me, as it was a good thing to see the administration continue to insist on shifting away from the failed doctrine of strategic patience and moving toward a new doctrine of maximum pressure.
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the ability to pressure the north korean regime, but also then to put pressure on china. china controls so much of what can happen in north korea and if we're willing tout secondary sanctions in place on violators of our sanctions in china i think that can go a long ways to helping china actually engage and help denuclearize the regime. >> do you think they've been too slow, too reluctant to pressure china economically to squeeze north korea. >> i think china has been far too slow overall and that's been a bipartisan failure over the past several decades. i think this administration has actually got china to do some things in the past couple weeks that we haven't seen them do for a very long time, if at all, that includes some actions -- >> like what? >> actions on coal, hearing about the special envoy conversations in north korea, that's the good news. they have to do more. they have to do far more and we have to continue pressuring. i would like to see the administration move forward on secondary sanctions on entities, individuals, companies that have violated our sanctions.
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the law states that if we know of somebody who's violated our sanctions then it is mandatory to place that sanction on them. let's do that whether they're in china or beyond, but let's make sure people know our pressure is for real. >> and mike flynn now, we learned, the fired national security adviser, whose only national security adviser for 24 days, is under investigation from the pentagon, from the inspector general of d.o.d., for failing to notify the pentagon of foreign payments. first of all, why won't the white house release their vetting documents to show what he did or did not say, what he was asked, and what they may have known when he was coming into the white house? >> well, it's unclear why they won't. i think there should be absolute transparency in this. i think we need to have answers. that's why i support the investigation both at the house intelligence committee and the senate intelligence committee. i'm more familiar with the senate intelligence committee investigation than the house. but it's important that the defense department, that all the intelligence administrations
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involved have the information they need from the white house or whoever it is regarding these supposed payments because it's important that we get to the bottom of this. >> senator cory gardner, thank you very much. colorado senator or colorado republican joining us from capitol hill. and more ahead. we'll be right back on "andrea mitchell reports" from overlooking the white house. stay with me, mr. parker. wh a critical patienis far from the hospital, the hospital must come to the patient. stay with me, mr. parker. the at&t network is helping first responders connect with medical teams in near real time... stay with me, mr. parker. ...saving time when it matters most. stay with me, mrs. parker. that's the power of and. it's looking up, not down.ng fit's being in motion. boost® high protein it's intelligent nutrition with 15 grams of protein and 26 vitamins and minerals. boost® the number one
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and that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." from high above the washington
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from the white house and the washington monument. keep following us on facebook, on twitter @mitchellreports. here is craig melvin. >> good to see you. this is very nice. what a nice spring afternoon in the city. good afternoon to you from washington, d.c. craig melvin here. any moment now behind me, we are expecting a white house press briefing. we are also expecting the first public response since democrats accuse the administration this morning of a coverup in the controversy over payments from russia and turkey to fired former national security adviser general michael flynn. >> i honestly do not understand why the white house is covering up for michael flynn. there's, obviously, a paper trail, ladies and gentlemen, there is a paper trail. that the white hse does not want our committee to follow. these guys are playing games and when you see mr. spicer you can tell him i said that today. >> and again, we expect to see
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mr. spicer any moment now. meanwhile, we have two nbc reporters, kristen welker and kasie hunt for analysis and politico's jake sherman, financial times jillian tett, michael steele and the former fbi double agent and he is also author of the memoir "how to catch a russian spy." kristen, let me start with you in the white house briefing room, again we are expecting sean spicer will get a handful of questions about this today, we learned about this new investigation into michael flynn just a few hours ago, we also learned that flynn was warned about all of this well in advance of accepting the money. what's he being accused of again and why are democrats accusing this white house of covering up for him? >> so just to recap, michael flynn is accused of failing to seek permission to receive money from officials related to connections with foreign entities, foreign