how about john kasich? he is going to be on his take on the first 100 days. the man who beat him in the republican pmaries last year, at 7:00. before that we'll send it down to washington, d.c. it is 5:00 is that that means "mtp daily" starts right now. >> if it's thursday -- look at day 98. and who knows what will happen in 99? tonight the final sprint to 100. deciphering the flurry of activity ahead of the milestone president trump calls an artificial barrier. from nafta to the budget to health care. what will really stick? plus, the russia factor as the white house attempts to pass the buck on vetting exnsa director mike flynn. >> it was last issued by the obama administration in 2016. >> we'll get latest on where the russia investigation stands in congress from the top democrat

on house intel. and facebook versus fake news. how the social media juggernaut is launching a war against counterfeit news content. this is "mtp daily" and it starts right now. good evening. i'm chuck todd here in washington. welcome. it's been a dizzying 36 hours in the trump administration as they seem to throw spaghetti at the wall big negotiations, bigger threats, the biggest promises, and a whole lot of photo ops. you just saw him at the v.a. where he signed another executive order. hours aeg signed a memo on trade. yesterday, a tax reform plan hyped as the biggest ever. also yed he threatened to kill nafta. then so that to the leaders of canada and mexico and he didn't

kill it. and now there's renewed talk on capitol hill of a deal to resale and replace obamacare. how do you make sense of all of this? if you're a trump republican this stuff might look pretty darn good. i think we miss that sometimes. it might look even better if you were starting to worry that president trump was shape shifting into a mental of the washington establishment. remember we were talking about flip-flo flip-flops, his promotion of steve bannon and jared kushner? but promotion isn't necessariory movement. that order he is signing at the v.a.? he isn't the first to try to fix v.a. and he won't be the last. for reference, reagan's tax overhaul was final 100 papers long. there's a lot of room to spare to negotiate. that threat to kill nafta? it turned into this today.

>> i was going to terminate nafta as of two or three days from now. i decided rather than terminating nafta, which would be a pretty big shock to the system, we will renegotiate. now, if i'm unable to make a fair deal, if i'm unable to make a fair deal for the united states, meaning a fair deal for our workers and companies, i will terminate nafta. >> what about that. hyped north korea briefing? it was decidedly underwhelming for some. >> did you learn anything in there that you didn't know before? >> i didn't really. >> you didn't learn much? >> it was okay. >> republicans still the don't appear to have the votes for health care repeal in the house and the senate will be tougher sxiflt haven't mentioned the most important development for the white house in the past 36 hours pufbls in congress are proceeding with a bill won't include a penaltiy of money for mr. are trump's border wall.

republicans in congress had so little appetite for that it they got it dropped within 24 hours. think about that. the president's party seemingly rejected a request that as rush limbaugh put it, was a measly $1 well about for what was the president's signature campaign promise. just before the symbolic 100-day mark of his presidency. that development is the one that spells, i would argue, the most trouble for him. his own party was that quick to dismiss it. so how do you american hurt the administration's success or failure? >> there were consequences that the president didn't anticipate in some of the things he was doing. he is learning those consequences. i'm glad. and we should be celebrating that he is not stuck on stupid. >> i'm joined by nbc news analyst andy card who was chief

of staff to george w. bush. what did you mean? >> he came to washington, d.c. with naivete. an expectation that things would be easy to do, simple to do. enstead he is learning that they're really complicated and presidents don't have the option of making easy decisions. you have to govern and invite people to offer solutions and learn along the way. he is starting to do it. he is doing it inside the white house and inside the administration. and i think he is starting to do with it congress. he is maybe even inviting congress to be part of solution rather than take his solution and pass it. >> is there some bells you the can't unring that he will wish he could? i think about the immediate attacks on chuck schumer early on. frankly, you still have some time to cut deals with democrats is that you don't want to

alienate them too much. did he a relatively good job coming out of primaries whenner he rang a lot of bells and he tried unring them. and he's built some bridges to people. i think he focused more on the wall than the bridge. but he is starting to build some bridges and it can't expect the president to get the job done without finding partners in the process. that means working with congress and he is starting to do that. >> so is the best thing to sail he is learning the difficulties of washington? while he is not satisfied with the way washington works, he is at least spending there's a different pace? >> the ship of state is never on a calm sea. he is finding his sea legs. he is finding a way to find course that is right for a boat that's rocking all the time. and he needs help identifying a course that will find the solution that he wants. >> i want to focus this issue that i think is either lost

political capital or maybe capital he never had. the question is, i don't know how he'll accrue it. i can't help but look at the fact if this president had a 50% job approval rating, that his party in congress would say, the president is asking us to do this. a billion dollars isn't a lot in this $1.2 trillion of discretionary spending. we should fight for him. the fact they couldn't fight for him. that's troubling, is it not? >> he did not come with an infrastructure of republican support. he came to the white house with a mass of people participating in the process that had been left out before. so he didn't bring an infrastructure with him. the fear of his support outside doesn't really show up as fear to most members of congress if they're not with him. they have an infrastructure. they have party organization they have people that have helped them before. he is coming to recognize that.

so i say, he is in a learning curve that's critical for him to be on. he came expecting to be a leader with a mandate that he could dictate. he came to recognize, my imagine da , my mandate doesn't have a lot. my dictate doesn't need to have known following it. he is shaking the boat, rocking the boat, he is all over the place, he is changing washington, now he is going on invite those in washington to be part of solution and not be seen as the enemy. >> i look at this week. this was sort of point of the exercise. i wanted to do this earlier. i think they spent a lot of time saying, we have to make sure our base doesn't accept this narrative that's developing that we haven't gotten anything done will in 100 days. so boy, there's been a lot this

week. >> i think he's had a good week and a relatively good 100 days if you don't count final actions as the test. >> that's the problem. eventually final actions do matter more. even with his tax plan which is a one-page document, a summary of expectations. it is going to motivate kevin brady, the cheryl of the ways and means committee to say we have to provide the meat. >> if you were in there, you went through and inherited this. how would you tell them on spend next week? >> building bridges. listening to those in congress is that sayinge want to be part of solution and invite they will to be part ofsolution. and negotiate with them. and invite them to bring competence to the table because they have it. all the competence doesn't rest

in the oval office and the white house. there's a lot of competence around washington, d.c. and they should not be seen as the enemy. they should be seen as potential partners on both sides of the aisle. >> with is the next time that he should be truly judged? is it the next 100 days some labor day? when should americans look up and say time for action? >> i think when congress leaves for its summer break. >> august. >> he should demonstrate that he has some big things working their way through congress. george w. bush got his tax cut done -- >> it was in june. the senate even shifted. we still got it done. so you can make things done. but you have to work both sides of the aisle and find common ground. it is not a zero sum game. if it is played as a zero sum game, you'll get zero. >> it is both. find a way to have both and.

>> that's what they find out the hard way. thank you for your wisdom. >> let me bring in a republican congressman. a mental of the house freedom caucus. and somebody i want to focus one topic here which is, of all the moves this week, the one that seemed to actually be an incremental step was health care. so let me and you this. why are you now a reluctant supporter of this new health care bill after going from reluctant opposition? >> wasn't reluctant opposition. it was wholehearted opposition. this bill wasn't ready forme time. the normal vetting process that you're so well aware of back and forth and committee hearings was in essence skimmed of moving on health care. but the bottom line of where i and others have ended up is, one, it's not for repeal of the

affordable care act. we need to be up front and open with the american public. it will be celebrated as sufficient. and two, it is what you can get out of them at this time. it is a testament to political reality and the way you move by inches. >> and should you be holding a vote on a bill that makes, that looks like it would be harder to get through the senate? rather than ethier through senate? >> again, that's beyond my pay grade. all i know is i think to get seventh faction within the conference, this idea of a federalism model, if vermont wants to go to the single payer system, it was essential to have something in there that sevenths could take home and say, wait. this is way in which this reflects conservative ideals and a move toward margaret place

principles. >> can you comfortable with, this does not guarantee that pre this mac arthur amendment, it does not guarantee that a state has to essentially protect pre-existing conditions? >> well, do you believe in federalism is the big question there? and i happen to. i think that we ought to have work of different states coming one different provisions. i think baked into the cake, what you're talking about -- >> you don't think any state would ever do that. you're making the assumption that no state even if iginla the the opportunity, wouldn't? >> no. i ink on the baseline of bill is ability-in coverage. what people talk about, if you stepped out of essential benefits, and therefore your state didn't cover them. what might happen to you based on the jump up in price that might occur? and that's why it is so important that you have these

risk pools, that people can buy down the cost. you're building to get into one of the pools. in essence, the insurance and the pricing gap that could occur. >> many of these risk pools have been tried in the past and most have been deemed unworkable. do you think we can come up with a better risk pool now? >> they have worked. i would use mainl as an example. so again, all we're saying is let's be more transparent in the process. right now we have with profound health care needs. i've had eight town hall meetings at home. i've heard a whole host of compelling stories that do make sense and hit you at a heart level and a head level. let's be transparent about trying to help those folks. for the other folks that don't

draw a badge, aren't in a horrific car wreck, let insurance be insurance. in my home state of south carolina, premiums went up about 29% and coverage has been reduced to the point of just one carrier. so what we're saying, for those folks, those out there struggling to make it, let's let insurance be insurance. . >> during first debate on health care, you wt publi withhe exact the white house sent you a threat. he'll run someone against you if you do. now you're leaning toward it. and i know there are some changes made. but if someone says, congressman

south afric sanford, did the white house cow you? >> i voted no. only three people voted that way. i am one of the three. after the threat i voted no. they had to come out of the committee. it was going to the floor. it only got pulled. so you know, i said what i said then and it was with me and others. the likes of mark meld owes or jim jordan that ultimately were able to incorporate theets changes that we thought were the most that we could get at this time. and you have to be able to stand for the ideals and principles that you're pushing. >> on tax reform, you were asked about whether you can get it done without seeing the president's tax returns. do you think there's comes a point where tax reform is easier to deal with if you get tax return cloud out of way?

>> certainly. i'm differentiating between politics and the policy. the politics i think are bad for the president. i think bad for republicans as long as he continues to guard his tax returns. the policy though, i don't think we should hold my or your tax returns captive. >> congressman sanford, i will leave it there. thank you for coming. on appreciate it. all right. later in the broadcast, the latest on the investigation into a possible russia trump campaign connection. this mike flynn business g weirder today. and this sunday on will "meet the press," i'll be speaking live in studio with vice president mike pence. he'll join me exclusively to discuss it. plus a whirl wind trip in asia. a big show. don't miss it. ♪ ♪

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we're still trying to separate noise. i welcome in my guests. how would you try to separate the noise from the action in this week? >> it you're seeing the chief executive who is running it like a chief executive. there's been some serious action in the first 100 days but it has been things that he can do unilaterally. like keystone. like the government hiring freeze. when it comes to working with congress, i think he's a very steam learning curve and i'm not sure that we can come back from it. because obamacare, replacing

obamacare has stumbled so badly and because people are saying that tax reform will be double trouble. >> i think he is in worse sha legislatively than hs when he started. you could have imagined a sort of contrary world in which there was more reaching out to democrats. more being able to do what he and his legislative team don't seem to be able to do. looking around corners. when you make threat, you have to be able to follow through on that threat. it is not like you've got, not like you're cutting a deal with a developer. >> i want to play his nafta sound again. it was quint essential trump. here it is. >> i was going to terminate nafta two or three days from now. the president of mexico, who i

have a very, very good relationship called me. and also the prime minister of canada, who i have a very good relationship. i like these gentlemen very much. they called me. and they said rather than terminating nafta, could you please renegotiate? i like them very much. i respect their countries very much. the relationship is very special. and i said, i will hold on determination. >> i can picture developer donald trump saying, i was going to walk away from atlantic city. i told them that's it. i'm out. i'm done. and i made that decision. and i said you know what? maybe i will negotiate with you guys and let's see if we can fix this. that was quint essential trump and that's what the public elected. >> it is also durk. he was going to take an extremely disruptive step in

just a couple days, and he held back because a completely obvious point about that radical step was brought to his attention. >> we've talked before about government by improv. and this has felt speed it up. ridiculous to use the word, but one that they have been so responsive to. look where he is going. what has he run on? it has been populism and trade. he is doing what he can to flex muscle. you have to look at what the he said game is. if it is to get a better idea, picking these fights over dairy

and wood and getting people's backs up, will that lead to a better deal in the end with the canadians? if they're angry and putting him in a difficult position. >> and i think that's the one part of this. i think andy card made it clear. the that biggest thing about donald trump, he is learning this town moves slower and he is accepting some of that patience. i don't think he's figured out how to negotiate with opponents yet. >> and it is like the presidential version of the stages of grief. this is stages of learning. welcome to washington president trump. he is accepting some things. once you accept, you have to deal with the reality that you've secoaccepted it. >> he seemed to say at the republican convention, i alone can fix it. i think he is finding out in these 100 days, that there are really severe limits on what a president can do.

the problem he has in negotiating with congress. not just opponents but his allies, very often they don't know what they want. >> that's strong arming. there's a very big emphasis, if you look at how health care played out. donald trump might be wise to look back at teddy roosevelt's walk softly and carry a big stick. he is more like mega phone and a 2 x 4. get them in a room and beat them into submission. but that doesn't work in washington. everybody has just as big an ego. >> your stick is a lot bigger. size matters there. sorry. >> had that came from ruth too. what's the state of washington? gee, the president's own party

dismissed what looked like -- he's right. it is a measly billion dollars when you look at in it terms of $1.2 trillion >> i think republicans blds they've outperformed trump. they know their districts better than trump does. they're not especially worried. >> hey, i voted no after the threat. he flexed. >> more importantly, they were supposed to pay for the wall. >> and once you let your kids get away with something once, they get away with something the next time more easily. >> that was what rush limbaugh was saying. you look lying guy we can roll. that's what he said. all right. stick around. the mike flynn blame game. wait until you see this one.

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they're all looking into ties between trump campaign and russia. elijah cummings, the pentagon did confirm it is investigating formally about former white house national security adviser michael flynn, and they're looking at whether or not he

left fie illegally accepted payments after being warned against it. he misled the vice president. when asked today about vetting for flynn, the white house actually shifted the blame to the obama administration. >> my only point is that when general flynn came into the white house, he had an active security clearance that was issued during the obama administration with all of the information that's being discuss that had occurred in 2015. >> okay. meanwhile the house intelligence committee is looking into russian attempts on interfere with the 2016 election and whether there were any possible links to any allies of the trump campaign. and since be devin nunes, he just stepped down from this investigation earlier this month. we could be seeing signs the house investigation is starting

to move along again. so joining me, the top democrat on the house intelligence committee. welcome back to the show. >> good to be with you. >> let me and you on the mike flynn situation to get to you respond to what the press secretary said today. does he have a point, that something did fall through? that maybe flynn never should have gotten his national security clearance renewed? do they have a point on this? >> we're trying to get the documents. we've requested them on a bipartisan basis. the same documents the government reform committee has ceived. no. they don't have a point in the sense that whatever the process was, and whether mike flynn sought to get a renewal of his security clearance for the new position, whatever the facts may be, and we're looking into it. it was the trump administration's responsibility to vet this guy. and there ought to be red flags that were going up all over,

considering that he was fired by the previous administration. he had gone on a publicized trip and sat next to putin at this dinner which was inexplicable. he wrote an op ed call for the united states to turn over this cleric to erdogan. it should have raised a lot of red flags about why was he advocating this position? now we know he was getting half a million dollars to do it. but no, the trump administration can't blame obama. but i'm confident, on the last day of the trump administration, trump will be blaming obama for something. evidently the policy of this administration is the buck stops with barack obama. so i think we can be confident of that. >> let's talk about the investigation. let's be frank here. after the whole back and forth with the chair who has recused

himself, a lot of people wrote him off. many senateors, they're hoping they will run this and they almost used you as a punching bag to say we'll run a responsible investigation. what have you and mike conaway who has taken over, what do you plan on doing to bring credibility back to your investigation? >> well, it the history is this. we went into this investigation in a very deliberate noartisan way. it was blown up with the chairman's trip to the white house and all the subterfuge about the documents reviewed there and then returned to there. nonetheless, i think the members of the committee wanted to do a thorough and independent job. set out to do that. and we had that cloud over the committee as a result of that white house trip. that cloud, i think, is now being removed.

mike conaway is doing a good job. we're working together very well. we've rescheduled one of the hearings. we've already invited witnesses to come before the committee. we are vex full speed ahead. exactly where we should have been if we hadn't had the whole white house blow things up. >> cnn reported that there's a witness list of 36, between 36 and 48 people. is that correct? and are all of these going to be invited witnesses? or are you going to have to subpoena anybody? >> i don't want to get into the specifics of how many witnesses or the names of people we've invited. we've certainly invited a considerable number to come be interviewed, deposed or appear before the committee in a hearing. we've also agreed to the process for this. how we'll request documents from these witnesses. so we'll seek to get the

cooperation voluntarily but we are prepared to subpoena as necessary to get materials and information we need. so we've agreed to the process. we've begun in terms of our witness list, to actually invite those people before the committee. and i think it is important, we're going to try to do as much as we can agree on in public. i feel very strongly about that. i think if we conduct this investigation wholly in a privately closed session, and then tell public to believe what we've come up with, that's not likely to have public confidence. so i'm very pleased with where we are. i think we're back to moving forward again. >> have you and congressman conaway, are you still actively reviewing the requests by mike flynn to essentially trade testimony, trade immunity for testimony? >> i think it is really pre mature for us to be considering that flynn request, before we've had a chance to interview a lot of other witnesses. find out what we can learn

that's relevant without having to give any kind of immunity. then we would want to sit down with the justice department and find out what their equities are. and given his failure to report this income, the fact that he took income at all, and whether there are issues of false statements. a lot of potential inequities here. and finally, we would want a detailed proffer as to what he would say before we give any kind of blind the grand of immunity. that's still a long way off. >> a month ago, when you were on this program, you told us that there was, quote, more than circumstantial evidence, unquote, that there was collusion between trump associates and russia. do you still believe that to be the case? it is other charge you've made once but you've not made it again. any reason? >> no. i said it earlier today. that remains my view.

i offer that in contrast because i know some members have said that to the contrary. they believe there's no evidence. i can't go into the particulars. i'll have to wait until we get through investigation to be able to share whatever it is that we're able to prove. but i will say this. it is not just my view. the fact the fbi is doing an investigation, an open one in july and continuing to this day. that's not something i think they undertake on a hint or a suspicion. i think they need a basis to investigate a major campaign or the associates. so i don't think it is just my understanding. >> there is a growing chorus of lawmakers, democrat and republican who say, if, where is the there there on this? where is the fire? there's been a lot of smoke. why has it taken, why isn't it more obvious where the fire is? >> well, on this i have to say,

those of us who have worked on investigations before, and particularly large white collar investigations, and this is sort of in that category. understand that it takes a long time to investigate evidence of this nature. particularly when you're dealing with evidence that may beeld by a hostile government or witnessesthroughout the globe. this is not something that's easy to prove in the best of circumstances. and you have to layer on to that that we have a full time day job in overseeing the intelligence agencies. it is one of the reasons i would feel more confident if we had an independent body doing this work that would be completely immune from any political pressure but also staffed appropriately. so for those saying, how come you haven't shown the proof yet and wrapped up your investigation yet. i can only say we are trying to move expeditiously. but people shouldn't expect that we can complete overnight or be

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tonight i'm obsessed with something that was once considered a crown jewel at the capitol. talking about the d.c. metro. thanks to my pal and his podcasts, there headline caught our eye the other day in the "washington post." the good news, metro isn't on fire as much. that's right. it doesn't say there are no fires. just fewer. here are the facts. there have still been 20 significant fire incidents in the first three months of this year on metro. and just this morning, smoke stalled a few of my staff members on their way to work this morning. the second time in the past week they've had toment on for a cab over public transportation. here's the thing. we aren't asking for much here. sure, it is dark, it has that weird carpeting, there is that no drinks rule when you can really use a cup of coffee. in a city, we would be happy if it could just get us to the office on time.

is that so much to ask? especially when you have overbearing bosses that want to know where you are. the cars were bright, the carpeting nice orange, the seats cushioned. about delays and single tracking is all too common water cooler banter. to the the d.c. metro system is in dire straits. it expecting $275 million budget shortfall. while there is a lot of blame to go around, no one seems to want to own this problem. a lot of it when it comes to washington, lies on, guess where? capitol hill. metro system was formed without much thought for long-term financial planning nor for where the buck really stops. local officials expected the federal government to play a bigger role and foot a lost of the bill, but the $150 million they pony up has not been enough. the system has fallen into disrepair, rider ship is down, oh, by the way, everybody keeps moving to washington so more people. maybe president trump can do us a favor and make metro great

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so you can travel the world better. time for the lid. let's bring back our panel. i have to go to this mike flynn thing because i just -- it was startling, ra mesh. you have to say it took some guts for sean spicer to stand up there. yeah, the obama administration, i don't know how they gave us mike flynn. i'm being a little facetious but that's basically what he said. >> this is why all the speculation about sean spicer being on the way out and not being good on this job i think basically misguided. there is a very small set of people who are willing to go out there and say the kinds of things that this administration wantto be said and sean spicer falls into that category. ou are such an optimist. even if it's true, even if you let them pin the whole thing on the obama administration in terms of the clearance,

clearance is not the same as vetting. and every campaign and every administration does its own vetting and there were some pretty big red flags here. one of them being a day after trump is elected michael flynn putting an op-ed in the newspaper in favor of a repressive regime, okay. so, there's a lot there. and there is a paper trail. and just like with the contacts, at some point that paper trail will come out. so, why isn't the administration, again, learning from its past mistakes with the contacts issue and putting all of this paper, just putting it out will? >> ruth, it seems to me, paul manafort, you fired. roger stone, you fired. carter page, i'm sorry, the guy is just a whack-a-doodle in some form or other. mike flynn, they brought him in and that's what makes russia sit in the west wing. th >> they actually had known, heidi is correct.

not just that they should have known. the clinton administration learned it way too late to its disadvantage, is if you're going to have bad news, get it out quickly, get it out all at once. get it out on your own term. don't do the drip, drip, drip. we've been drip-dripping for close to 100 days now. >> especially on mike flynn. and here's the this can. i think they knew all of this stuff. we're going to find out sally yates, she was -- we may find out that she's the one that said all of this stuff, guys, what are you doing? and that was what maybe they were afraid of leaking out. >> the evidence general flynn had poor judgment was public available. >> you mean the video, russia today? >> exactly. >> or the video of the convention. >> right. >> nothing that we have learned so far has been out of character from what we already knew. >> and to me the most troubling part of this i don't think gets engh focus, and i say this again and again eve time i can, is that when flynn was communicating with the russians and when he was reassuring them parentsly on sanctions in

december, there are those who find it plausible there was no consultation with someone above him. in other words, there's still more to come out. >> all right. i have to leave it there. sorry about that one. little short. ra mesh, heidi, ruth, thank you very much. i had to go on that metro rant. we'll be right back.

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among our guests sir richard branson will be joining us. sunday on meet the press i'll have an exclusive interview with the vice-president of the united states mike pence. for the record with greta starts right now. greta, take it away. hope you didn't metro in. i'm very excited about it. i'm very excited about it, thank you. >> i won't miss it. anyway, thank you. in a cover up, well, that's the blistering accusation directed tonight at the white house, a prominent democrat is alleging the white house is covering up for fired national security advisor michael flynn. >> i honestly do not understand why the white house is covering up for michael flynn. i don't get it. after the president fired him for lying. >> covering up for general michael flynn, a strong accusation from the top democrat on the house oversight committee. congressman elijah cummings. and this accusation came after the pentagon opens its own investigation into payments flynn received from foreign governments. now, to be clear, foreign military officers can't accept payment from foreign gove