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>> good morning and welcome to a.m. joy. donald trump couldn't take the heat, so he got out of the kitchen. he avoided getting roasted at the white house correspondents dinner last night choosing to mark his 100th day in office at a pennsylvania rally. trump ran through what he sees as the greatest hits of his first 100 days. the rally was also a re-hash of many of the favorite applause lines of trump the candidate. there was a promise of jobs and a return to american greatness, the pledge to build a wall. the aud yans joined together in spontaneou chants of, lock her up,nd trump going against his favorite nemesis, the media. >> media outlets like cnn and msnbc are fake news. if the media's job is to be

honest and tell the truth, then i think we would all agree the media deserves a very, very big, fat failing grade. we call it the fake news. not all of them. do you notice now everybody is using the word fake news. where did you hear it first, folks? >> joining me now mr. simmons, bruce bartlett and glen thrush. i have to go to glen thrush over the failing fake media news first on this. your reporting on the trump sort of thought about doing this pennsylvania rally to draw eyes, draw the eye away from the white house correspondents dinner, do you get the sense that trump really, really preferred to be in pennsylvania rather than be with celebrities and media

people in d.c.? >> look, chicken was on the menu, right? i was there in 2011 when president -- then president obama gave him a really interesting time and i don't think he really wanted that. this game on the 100th day of his term. he could talk about giving us a failing grade. this is a guy who is now on his third attempt of passing the health care bill. his two most impactful executive orders on a migrant ban for muslim nations is being held up in court. he could keep beating on us, but he has a 38% to 44% approval rating and it is time to put up. we have been hearing this talk since the campaign. we are seeing movement in terms of the white house getting its act together. the nex couef weeks let's see if any o his actions could meet witthe blustery words of these speeches. >> it is pretty clear what donald trump is trying to do was to get people to not focus on

the 100 days, which everyone from historians to folks who follow this white house have deemed a failure. trump at his rally says in my first 100 days i kept my promise to americans. when you look at the plain list of things he said he would do, he hasn't done any of them. >> governance by executive order alone, a lot of which -- many of which have not taken effect yet, is not governance. and it was interesting to watch the speech, watch him in harrisburg, watch the crowd still cheering him on. it was deeply disturbing when you contrast that with the statements we were watching last night at the white house correspondents dinner. we live in a very, very serious time and the speech he gave yesterday demonstrates just how serious the times are and that the nation is deeply, deeply fractured and i thought it made the tone and tenor of the dinner and the comments made last night even more important. we've got a lot to lose. >> bruce, it was interesting

just watching donald trump in pennsylvania. it was almost as if he had not been elected president. it was like a rally that he could have done last july or august, complete with the lock her up chants, the wall, things we already now know he cannot do. he does not have money even in his own proposal to congress to build the wall, but he was acting as if reality didn't exist and we had gone back in time. did you find it odd? >> the thing most disturbing to me about that rally were his brown shirted supporters who physically man handled the people there trying to offer some protest. i don't need to remind people of what that harkens back to. but i think the trump phenomenon is unique in that every previous president has understood that he had to have good relations with the media because they were the filter through which his message got out.

but trump does not need the media. he's got 20 million or more twitter followers and he can simply reach to the people directly. and this is a unique phenomenon. he doesn't need the media and his contempt for them shows it. >> having worked for the president, you understandt a complex thing. you have to get your seeds in washington. you have to deal with the media. it was pretty clear president obama didn't relish cable news. but this presidency is unique by running a presidency by constant rally. he just talks to his supporters and doesn't seem to know that inelse is there. can that be sustainable as a governing philosophy just zeroing in on the small number of people relative to the whole population who voted for him? >> i think you hit the nail on the head. he is focussed on that small number of people that voted for him. not just people that voted for

him, but even that harder, smaller number of people who truly believe in him. there are a lot of people that voted for him because they wear red jerseys and he had a red jersey on. but there is a bunch of people out there that really love him, and those are the folks he's focussed on. last night, the contrast of him with people in pittsburgh with all the people in washington in black tie and ball gowns and hanging out together, i don't think there were that many celebrities there from what i saw, but that contrast of him with real people in pittsburgh and all the folks in washington was very stark. this is a president who understands the theater of the presidency very well. barack obama never quite got the theater as well. he got the substance much better. if donald trump could ever figure out the substance, he will be a much stronger candidate going into next election. >> when you put back up that split screen that you just saw there because the other split

screen here is you saw the comedian at the white house correspondents dinner and donald trump. that contrast, too, because we also have in this country, you have a party that is right now overtly ethno-nationalists. let's listen. >> is steve bannon here? i do not see steve bannon. i do not see steve bannon. not see steve bannon. not see steve bannon. not see steve bannon. >> it is of course a joke everybody gets. >> absolutely. but i watched him last night.

i have actually watched his monologue several times. it was really extraordinary. after he gets through the parts where he's telling a lot of jokes and he turns to this whole notion of truth versus trust and the role of the media because of how serious and dangerous the times are that we live in. and then when he spoke about the fact that he is an indian and he is muslim and he tells the entire audience that you now know what it feels like to be a minority and as journalists you have a moral obligation to be your best, to do the absolute best because the country is relying on you, i just it was absolutely extraordinary because the sentiments he expressed are the sentiments that will help the people that most believe in donald trump. they don't get that, but they will. >> and glen, this is a time when the media is sort of either under siege or the subject of

this love from donald trump. he wants people like you, glen, he wants your approval desperately. >> me? >> yes. he wants you to appreciate him and he talks about the fact that i get such bad press. no one appreciates me. so what is it? is the media truly under siege or is it a desperate, desperate love? >> i think it is both at the same time. i come out of the new york city tabloid environment, so i am a whipped dog anyway as a repo reporter. i'm used to people yelling at me. we were all yelled at by donald trump before he entered politics. jamal made a great point last night. we know his visceral political instincts for his base are pitch perfect. but we are dealing with a small percentage of the electorate in general. and donald trump is more obsessed with the media than any president. he is also more communicative with the media. the funny thing about trump and

he minds me of the former mayor in new york who would do nothing but blast the media, yell at them, have feuds and then he would call everybody five times a day. for all the stuff that he says about the media, he spent all week sitting at his desk in the oval office doing interview after interview. >> yeah. >> so it is a total paradox. >> samantha b. also did the thing that donald trump hates the most, which is ridicule him and it does feel we are in this cycle of ridicule of donald trump. but also sort of a real fear of him by people. so i don't know if the two things can co-exist in the same host body for long. what do you think? >> well, i think it is hard for people who don't like trump to not ridicule him. he's very easy to mock. but at the same time, i think it

also causes his followers to dig in even more deeply to defend him because i think the one thing that the trump base hates is elitism and the washington/new york media access defines elitism from their point of view. and, so, it helps him with his own people. >> yeah. it couldn't have been a starker split screen last night. we will have everybody back. glen thrush, congratulations on being a new contributor here. a whipped dog no more. we really appreciate it. up next mike pence plays mr. no-nothing and donald trump's disturbing invitation to the white house. stay with us. love is knowing... he's the one. (vo)...it was meant to be. and love always keeps you safe. we're fi (vo)ove why we built a car you can trust. now and for a long time to come.

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the department of justice as a foreign agent for making more than $50000 as a lobbyt for curty. your reaction to that, considering that doesn't that mean, mr. vice president, even if he didn't lie to you about what the russian ambassador said or didn't say that you would have had to fire him anyway? >> let me say hearing that story today was the first i've heard of it. and i fully support the decision that president trump made to ask for general flynn's resignation. >> you're disappointed by the story? >> the first i heard of it. >> it appears the trump administration has two strategies for dealing with the ongoing saga of michael flynn. the short lived national security advisor paid to lobby on behalf of the turkish government while he was advising the trump campaign and sitting in on intelligence briefings. the strategy has to blame president barack obama for authorizing flynn's security clearance in the first place, even though we know trump's

white house did do its own background check on flynn, however poultry. strategy two has been to deny they had any knowledge at all. that strategy has been the modus operandi of mike pence, who led the transition team back when flynn's turkish cash flow was widely reported, when both congress and flynn's own lawyers flagged the issue to the transition team that pence was leading, including a glowing op ed he wrote on election day, taking turkey's side against the international community. so pence is either lying or he's telling the truth, it was a complete do you kncom complete doup. neither options look good. joining me now, sara and scott. thank you all for being here. scott, i am going to start with

you. there is a paper trail about mike flynn and his dealings with foreign governments that goes all the way back to election day when he wrote this op ed for the hill. glowing about turkey, attacking this guy who is an enemy of the current autocrat in cturkey. go to when the ranking member sends a letter to mike pence saying general flynn was being paid to lobby the u.s. government on behalf of a foreign government's interest. that was november 18, 2016. fast forward to march 10th when we have a piece in the trump transition team knew that flynn might have to register as a foreign agent. flynn's representatives had a second conversation with his lawyers after the election and made it clear he would be

registering with the justice department. it doesn't seem to pass the test that mike pence knew nothing. but could it be possible that with all of that happening, he just wasn't informed? >> no. there is no way. he had to have known because a few days before couplings sent that letter and it got international news and it was in regards to him being a foreign agent and working with turkey, that exact scenario, and i know for a fact that they were called at least 30 times, the white house, to be questioned about that report that i submitted to the nsa. so i don't think that it is viable for anyone that's that behind in regards to the president. i think that pence is -- pence is right now untouchable because they think that he's not to blame for anything. but when it comes down to it,

you know, i think that he's one of the guys that pushed for flynn to be nsa in the first place. and i think he also absolutely knew. so i don't think that there is any way that he can really deny this because he'd have to be a straight up idiot to not realize that he's registered as a foreign agent or the staff would have to be totally incompetent for him to be able to not be aware of the situation that arose. >> and, sara, you do have the sense of presenting mike -- you know, presenting mike pence as mr. clean, the guy who didn't know anything, the guy who they had to fire flynn because he lied to mike pence, that mike pence was lied to and ill-treated by flynn. but is that a viable story line going forward? he was on "meet the press" this morning and he didn't get asked about russia. he winds up being the clean guy of the administration. but does that idea that he is mr. clean in your view hold up? >> no, it doesn't hold up at all. you can go all the way back to

the vice presidential debate where he lied multiple things that trump said and did, things that were provable through video, as if we had no access to this information on our own. i think what's going on here is americans aren't used to a calm liar. we're used to lies put forth in an obviously propaganda way. and i think with pence, the republican party put him out as this alternative, but he's just as come police it and involved. he was part of the transition that put this together. he was warned through a letter. and i think he is just only different in disposition and not in terms of intention as to what this administration wan to accomplish, which is to, y know, violate constitutional law. >> and, you know, there is this sort of sense that in the trump administration, they have set up these two sort of camps that you have got the crazy, that donald trump is out there riling up the base, giving these rallies, doing, performing this auth

authoritarian act. on the other hand, you have this sealed off vice president's office that can present to capitol hill, to the country the face of normalcy. is that a normal way that a system like this, an authoritarian system would operate? >> absolutely. one temporarily looks a little worse than the other. what is lost in the shuffle is what unites them. what unites them in this particular case is utter incompetence, right? if we take pence at his word, which actually i would recommend doing at least as a thought exercise, then what we're looking at is a perfectly incompetent transition team and the results bear that out. we're 100 days in. government agencies are not staffed. they never did go through the transition process of having their people talk to the people in every agency to sort of receive the expertise and have

the hand over of power. none of that happened. i actually believe what he was saying in the sense it was all such a mess that he couldn't tell one piece of paper from another. >> scott, you talk to people on the hill frequently. mike pence was supposed to be the one guy with some sort of governmental experience on the team besides of course jeff sessions. but he doesn't seem to in their own story telling and their own story line have anything on anything. he is an invisible man happy to be there. >> plausible deniabilitdeniabil. i think mr. flynn should be stripped of his military title. he should also be in jail right now. obviously indicted. and then anydyho helped cover it up, anybody who helped push him through should be as culpable as well. there will be a paper trail leading back to mike pence, if not trump himself. it really is nonsense to think

that trump and pence are not close with their nsa. i think that there is no way that mike pence didn't know. he is too hands on of a guy. he was leading the transition team himself. trump put him in a position to take the fall now. that's what's going to happen, is it is going to come out and hopefully it is very clear that pence has the long background with manafort. i think as the ties come out that pence is going to be thrown under the bus big time by trump. >> very quickly, to make a quick turn, we did also have sara on the president invite the dictator of the philippines, who has been accused of ordering extra dishl killing of drug suspects to the white house next week. what do you think about it? >> i think it's in line with trump's foreign policy. within the seem week, he boosted la pen.

he praised kim jong-un. he praised air dwyane when he was formalized as a dictator. this is a quality that trump finds attractive in others. it extends, of course to putin and to other authoritarian leaders, as well as white s supremts. i think this is a piece of his policy. >> we do seem to be forming an alliance there of a kind, the head of turkey, the head of egypt, vladimir putin, marine la pen. the nonpence box is this sprang authoritarian box. >> it's more than that. it is an autocrat with a tendency to mobilize. they are increasingly relying on

para military vigilante groups. this is the sort of thing that appeals to trump. it is the exercise of raw power. he thinks that's what leadership is. he's going to learn lessons from them. >> i love that phrase. i didn't make that up, but it seems to apply over and over again. thank you all. coming up, donald trump's friends and family tax plan. that's next.

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can you guarantee that no one in the middle class is going to pay more? >> that's our objective, absolutely. >> is it a guarantee? >> i can't make any guarantees until this thing is done and on the president's desk, but that is our number one objective on this. >> so there is a lot we don't know about how this plan will work out in practice. it is only one page long. but we do know a few things. under trump's plan, the corporate tax rate would be slashed from 35% to just 15%. the rate for pass through business income like that made by real estate developers would also be cut 15%. trump's plan would eliminate the alternative minimum max which accounted for most of the taxes that trump paid in 2005, the one

year we did know we paid taxes. trump would appeal the estate tax, which applies only to the very richest families. so even though we have no idea how trump's flimsy tax plan would affect most americans, we do know it would give a massive tax cut to donald trump. his plan could mean a tax cut of nearly $60 million for trump itself. joining me now our michigan state professor and bruce bartlett, who served as an economic advisor. i will start with you lisa on this first. donald trump's tax plan and we could put up the highlights or low rates if you will, cutting corporate tax rate, eliminate alternative minimum tax, is

there anything that would help the middle class? >> yes, but it would be hard to estimate. increasing the deduction for child care. but essentially, you know, everything has to be paid for in some way and without more details, we have no idea of the distributional effects. so we really can't say in a vacuum and without more data exactly how this would effect the middle class. so there is little, i think, that one can celebrate in this plan. >> and, bruce, you have got a few more details just from the trump plan. eliminating all of the deductions that americans enjoy, except the mortgage deduction and the charitable giving deduction. that means in getting rid of that huge deduction for state and local taxes, cutting the affordable care acts 3.8% tax on investment income. all of that sounds like it would be great for rich people in manhattan. i don't see anything that would help your average person in kentucky.

>> i think it is interesting that the secretary of the treasury's bottom line is maybe we won't increase taxes on the middle class. so he's not even saying we're going to help the middle class. he's saying maybe we won't hurt them. he's basically let the cat out of the bag that this is a tax cut for the ultra wealthy and only the ultra wealthy. the idea that this is any kind of reform is simply a lie. it's that this is the most slip shod fly by the seat of your pants tax plan i have ever seen or ever heard of in the history of american taxation. >> and, bruce, "the new york times" editorial board savaged this plan and called it a laughable plan and said that you couldn't get a more sort of naked grab for cash by the ultra wealthy if you had bunch of wall street guys go to happy hour and write-up a wish list of everything they have ever wanted to cut their own taxes and give themselves a windfall.

are we just now seeing revealed a desire among a certain percentage to grab the treasury for the 1%? >> i can't see anything that would argue against that proposition. the problem is that they are going to put out a lot of propaganda and they are going to keep saying over and over again, oh, this is the same thing reagan did back in 1981. trump said that just a few moments ago. now i just drafted the 1981 tax cut. i was on jack kem's staff in 1977 when the bill was introduced. donald reagan endorsed it. there was enacted into law in 1981. and it did none of the things that conservatives like trump are saying it did. the main thing that caused the economy to grow faster in the 1980s was a huge cut in interest rates by the federal reserve. the interest rate was 19%, if you can believe that, when

reagan took office. and the fed cut that over the first two years of his presidency down to 9%. and also there was a huge stimulus from government spending because of the defense build up. those two things probably had a lot more to do with the growth in the '80s than the tax cut did. >> there is this belief in trickle down economics that is persistent among republicans. any time republicans control enough of the government to enact a big tax cut they do it and the argument is always that cutting taxes on the very rich stimulates economy activity and job creation. is there any data to support that idea? >> only in certain instances. i mean, when we discussed a tax cut in the obama white house, we really thought about targeting. targeting those people who would spend money quickly, who have what we call in economics a high marginal propensity to consume and therefore would increase

consumer spending and therefore would increase economic growth. so a good tax plan/tax cut, you know, depending on what it actually is, would be targeted at those people who would spend the money readily. seniors, students, poor people. so this tax cut does not do that. so in that sense, it seems to be fantasy. let's go back to the topic of economic growth. this assumes that this will get us to 3% growth. that seems to be fantasity cal. the average for rich countries over the last seven years has been about 2%. for the u.s. it's been about 2.1%. and we should expect as an advanced economy to get between 2% and 3%. but 3%? i think it is fantasy, especially if you put something like this on the table, along with the repeal of the consumer

finance protection bureau that goes after those who would undo the progress of the middle class. for instance, wells fargo that opened two million accounts on behalf of people who didn't know anything about it. they need some sort of champion. if you add all these things up, it seems like the middle class is under attack. that's why he gave the answer he gave. >> it does seem that growth has also slowed down. looking at the front page of the wall street journal yesterday. why? because consumer spending is down. yes. >> thank you very much. and comg up in our next hour -- coming up in our next hour, fox news is not out of the woods yet. they're in deeper trouble than you think. and a lack book at the l.a. riots. more a.m. joy after the break.

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i caught the fake russia story. it was made up because they were embarrassed by their loss. they had this tremendous loss, a loss like nobody has seen before and not only did i win, i won easily. so they made up this russia thing to try and deflect because they were embarrassed by what happened. >> that's donald trump's story and he is sticking to it but don't let all of his fakery fool it. russia gate is very real. but you don't have to take my word for it. my next guest has been on the case. joining me is congressman maxine waters. thank you for being here and

happy sunday to you. >> thank you. >> you tweeted out the other day this guardian story that i have in front of me as well about the u.k. being given details of alleged contacts between donald trump's the uk having alleged details between donald trump's contact and officer chris stouffer steele. he confirmed that in a court filing earlier this month that he did hand over a memo compiled in december by senior uk officials. how serious is this? do we know on your side, the congressional side, who the trump campaign officials were? >> thank you very much. it's good to be with you again is morning. no, i don't know who the trump campaign officials are. or were. but i know this. this russia connection is a serious issue. i've been talking about it for a long time. and each day, we learn more and more about it." guardian" article brings us even closer to the facts that something took place. meetings have taken place.

conversations have taken place. i've always said that i believe there was collusion. and if we determine the facts, if the dots are connected, that there has been so soluticollusii really do think that this president could be impeached. i want people to follow what is going on. president would like us not to focus on russia. not to focus on the kremlin. not to talk about putin. but it's inevitable. it is happening. and michael flynn is taking us closer to that conversation. with the investigation that's going on about him. >> and speaking of michael flynn, on the new information that's come out, obviously, that the trump campaign -- the trump incoming campaign, the transition team, did vet him before hiring him to be a national security adviser for the trump white house. mike pence has claimed not to know anything about anything. essentially, that he was unaware of michael flynn's activities.

unaware of his lobbying for foreign governments and working for turkey, et cetera. do you buy that? do you buy that mike pence was completely ignorant of what michael flynn was doing? >> it's very difficult to buy that the vice president did not know anything about michael flynn. i think what you're hearing in all of these discussions, is everyone's trying to distance themselves. everyone's trying to pretend like they didn't know what was going on. but the truth is going to come out. it is not only about michael flynn. it's going to be about his former campaign manager. paul manafort. it's going to be to be about wilbur ross. about coy, his lawyer. it's going to be about what i call the criminal train that's been involved in these discussions to try to make sure that donald trump was elegislated president. trying to undermine hillary clinton. trying to undermine the media

and call it fake, so that when the truth comes out, his people won't believe it. it's there. and these investigations must go on. i'm not pleased with the investigations in the house. i think, you know, they have dropped the ball. and i'm even worried now about the senate. but i do believe that we're going to get to it. >> i was just going to ask you about that because you did say on this very program that while the house process had no credibility in your view, you had more confidence in the senate process, there's a new poll that is out, a abc news/"washington post" follow, only 42% expressed confidence april 17th, there's a lot of concern that the daily beast has done work on this, that the senate process has slowed to a crawl there are onlyev permitted staffers on that committee. are you concerned that the senate investigation is going the way of the house? >> no. as a matter of fact, i have great hopes that the senate investigation would do better

than the house investigation. but now, taking a look at the lack of staff, the lack of progress, i'm not confident that they're going to do any better. we need this independent investigation. to get at what has taken place with putin and russia, all of this information about discussions about lifting the sanctions, this is very important. this is what we need to know, to understand whether or not our democracy has been undermined by the very person who is sitting in the white house and his allies. >> i want to switch gears to talk about immigration a little bit. of course, do you represent the great state of california where this is a hugely salient issue, i want you to list ton donald trump last night at his pennsylvania rally going back at his issue of immigration with his supporters. take a listen. >> year after year, you pleaded for washington to enforce our laws. sass illegal immigration surged,

refugees flooded and lax vetting threatened your family's safety and security. your pleas have been finally been -- oh, don't worry, we're going to have the wall. don't worry about it. >> your response, congresswoman? >> that is absolutely racist. that's the dog whistling. that says to people this is what is happening in america with you and all of the problems that we have. he's using the latino population and mexicans right across the border to create fear in his cotucy. and those people who tend to want to belve that. it isbsolutely divisive, no leader, no president, should be saying and doing the kinds of things that he's doing, just to keep a constituency together. it's outrageous. >> and donald trump at it this morning by tweeting the

democrats without a leader have become a party of destruction, are only interested in themselves. and not what's best for the u.s. your response to donald trump? >> well, his tweets are just horrible, i was looking at some of them where he talked about democrats were going to close down the parks and families were not going to be able to take their vacation. that is outrageous. a pathological liar. that is absolutely unbelievable that he can be the leader of the greatest nation in the world. and we cannot allow him to stay in that position. >> i felt i ask you this every time i talk to you do you detect on the other side of the aisle among your colleagues, any sense of the same outrage that you're expressing that democratic colleagues are expressing? is there any political will on the other side of the aisle among republicans do anything to rein in this president? >> i think it is very slow. they are hesitant to talk about it. they don't want to admit it. they wish it would go away. they wish some of this

diversionary tactics would cause us not to focus on him and what he's doing. i want toell you, joy, when the truth comes out, they're not going to be able to stand with him. when this collusion is discovered they're going to have to move away from him because he will have undermined our democracy in the worst way. and they will not be able to go home to their constituent and say they still got to wrap their arms around donald trump. >> we will see and await that happening and continue to watch it. thank you so much. >> you're so welcome. >> maxine waters. >> thank you. >> be sure to follow congresswoman waters @maxi waters @maxinewaters which i'm sure you do that. the latest on the fox news break. roadside assistance helped him to fix his flat so he could get home safely. my dad says our insurance doesn't have that.

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those who were lost. two media giants who were snatched -- i'm sorry, taken from us far, far too late. [ cheers and applause ] >> it has been just over one week since fox news decided to make bill o'reilly's temporary vacation permanent. following news that he and the key -- that he and the network paid out millions of dollars to settle sexual harassment claims by several women. o'reilly will tell you he denied any wrongdoing. it doesn't end the problem for fox news. notal by a long shot. cnn is reporting that the postal inspection service has joined in a business probe of the network. it first surfaced in february when the doj was looking into when knox news parent company 21st century fox had a duty to reveal to shareholders money paid for such an allegation for

ousted ceo roger ailes, who like o'reilly, denied the accusations. and more problems emerged for fox starting with a racial discrimination lawsuit filed by 11 current former employees. the suit accuses the network of, quote, abouthornets, intolerable and hostile discrimination. two fox persons vehemently 16ed the allegations. all of this echos that bill o'reilly followed his protege jesse waters who departed for vacation after a comment he made on air about ivanka trump who was criticized as being lewd and inappropriate. and new questions about the fate of bill schein, a ailes ally. the mur doch family support for schein was wavering. knox news sean hannity said it

is not true. joining me, eric forward, new york magazine dave sherman and democratic strategic gentlemanal simmons. david, i'm going to you, first, this is among other things, your scoop. describe to me what is going on with the new racial discrimination lawsuit which does include an afternooner? anchor? >> these allegations are shocking they reveal the allegations that roger ailes presided over for 20 years. one of the employees, a bangladeshi man alleges that when he mistakenly walked into roger ailes office, roger ailes believed that he was a terrorist. and they erected a security door outside of ailes office the next day. and employees of color after this were denied access to the

executive floor where ailes worked. and the only way they would occupy the executive form is presumably with a white ex court. this is ahocking window into the cture that ailes built. >> the other thing we've learned, eric, a man named kelly wright alleges that he was forced to endure racist comments at fox which were intended to paint him as a charactcaricatur. i.e., jim crow. >> we forget about the hacking scandal. they settled and spent $500 million on that. and we're seeing a rewrite in the united states. and they couldn't fix it last summer, right? when they got rid of roger

ailes. basically, the message was it was all him. they promoted his deputy. now, we're coming up on a year anniversary of the gretchen carlson lawsuit that started all of this and they're still starting to contain it. >> obviously, the treatment of women and the objectification of women on air and off air by multiple people inside of that building. but on the racial drill nation si discrimination side. i want to play a little of kelly wright talking about the culture on fox news. take a listen. >> we have a culture systemic and institutional racial bias. so, some of my colleagues from other departments began to publicly reveal their encounters with blatant acts of discrimination in their department, i watched it, i prayed about it, i cried i can no longer sit in silence, collect my page check and act

like i didn't experience racial bias on my own level as an on-air personality. >> i mean, this is one of their own anchors. >> exactly. it's extraoinary. he hashing t gain by doing this. you know, it is an allegation. but it is so absolutely serious. you know, vox reported an internal memo that when they decided to have bill o'reilly take a permanent vacation said they want to have a culture that reflects their values. the question is what are the values? are the values driven by the free market and advertisers who said we will not let this stand, or are the house of cards going to fall down? because let's face it, fox is trying to get a deal with sky prc. it's the largest pay tv broadcasting network in europe. they want this to go through. and there are reports that sky is saying we don't know we can do this coming on the heels of

the e-mail hacking. is fox in the united states just too toxic? >> and jamal, not only is this sort of a sense that you walk into a time machine when you walk into the building across the street at rockefeller plaza when you come to the treatment of people of color and treatment of women, but also with the sense of this federal investigation that seems to be expanding. but there's also some lying to shareholders about where all of this money is going? >> the whole thing is a mess, joy. that's just the fundamental part of it. sometimes, when you're in the middle of a big messy situation. you just got to clean the decks. wipe the decks. start all over again with new people with new values. and if fox is serious about setting up a modern 21st century environment where everybody gets to participate. everybody's views are considered legitimate. at least to the point of being able to represent them, they've got to put people in play. if there are rumors or stories that perhaps they're looking for a woman to be ceo of fox news.

that will be major for both organizations. but they've got to do something to try to change the culture so people feel comfortable there. >> but, gabe, isn't it the case what they're doing, ton audience that wants to be in an 1950s requiremeenvironment, whee free to say things in terms of gender and race. and women are wearing short shirts and blouses. is it a culture desired by the audience. how do you change the culture without using audience? >> i think if you rewind back to last summer, the ratings held steady in the case of bill o'reilly after "the new york times" reporting on all of these sexual harassment settlements, his ratings in fact went up slightly. so this is a case where the audience really does not care about the sordid environment that takes place behind the cameras. and the challenge to the murd k

murdocks will be how do they appeal that finds it repellant without losing the core audience. and this is not a small matter. this is sort of an existential question for the corporation. >> eric, this isn't a company, this is a product that they're producing on fox news. very similar to talk radio. an older white male audience to be blunt about it who want a certain product. so that culture inside is actually reflective of the product. how do you change that and not just lose the audience? >> it's going to be almost impossible to produce the programming that they do, the race baiting, the geneophobia and not have that culture in the newsroom. to be sensitive interesting people off camera, and then when they go on camera they become monsters and whip up anger

against their viewers? no, it's synonymous. ailes created that, murdoch created that. it's vindictive. of course, it's synonymous with the workplace. you can't do both. >> jamal made a really important statement for people to understand. let's assume they bring in a woman as the head of fox. >> that doesn't mean anything, it could be sarah palin, you know? a woman or minority at the head of fox does not mean that the culture changes. it depends on who the person is. are they having people at the top that are loyal to roger ailes? fox needs to make a decision, what do we stand for? and how do we stand for something good? >> before he was a media mogul, he's still somebody in communication and considered an adviser to the president of the united states. and the ethos at fox news what they're reflecting is an dimock

anddimock. and kind of an ethos of the core of the republican party itself? >> yes, that's absolutely right. the truth is, watch television advertising the way america is consuming the information, the images we're used to seeing. most people in america live in a world where they talk to people different from them. they see people different from them, multiracial families or lgbt people around them. or the country is changes pretty fundamentally, but fox exists in that corner of the world where people are so upset about the changes that are happening, they're willing to actut because of it. all of that being true. i do not want to let off the hook the fact that we still see in the technology industry, primarily a white environment. a democratic party contracting a

predominantly white environment. those of us who are progressives know this does not just exist at fox news. it's something that we all have to take on in the entire culture. >> let's not forget the president of the united states, kind of inadd vevertent comment >> it harkens to if you listen to the words, he is our worst nightmare and the country voted for him and this is who he is. >> here's the question, fox news doesn't provide this constituent service. there is an audience that wants to go back to the '50s world. if they don't provide it, bri t breitbart is going to provide it, right? >> yes, we live in a tv culture. yes, that can go back to

breitbart. but tv matters in this country. and when you have that platform delivering a trump message. trump is what fox news is, he's in the white house now, yeah. >> and to determine, what is the thinking about whether or not bill schein will survive, he's part of that culture, too, and he's now running the company? >> yeah, as i reported last week, he's very worried about his job. i think the feeling is they' look for an outsider. the question is, they don't have that person in place yet, so bill schein is kind of in limbo and purgatory, until fox decides who they want to bring in to replace him. more lawsuits are planned in the day s and weeks ahead. this is a scandal that shows no sign of slowing down. inside fox news there's a sense of siege mentality that they don't know where this will end. >> probably the best thing they have going for them, they have a friendly administration in washington, d.c. michelle, eric, dave, gabe, and

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if you didn't like trump care, you're going to hate bevan various. matt bevin, the golf of kentucky is trying to undo the plan to expand medicare. it includes instituting a work requirement and charging premiums to medicaid recipients. but he's a man of vision who will not be limited by the conventional. he now wants to revoke some benefits that are currently

covered by medicaid like dental and vision and replace them with quote/unquote rewards program. according to the journal, you could earn points by, for example, passing a ged exam while completing job training or stop smoking classes. and then you could use those points to afford to go to the dentist. but be careful if you miss a premium or go to the emergency room too often for golf bgovernr bevan's case you could lose that. >> kristin, as a resident of kentucky, that there will be a rewards system almost like a rewards points that you earn at the drugstore or earn flying on an airline. that the people on medicare would have to work to earn these points like clean the side of the road to get the points, sign

up for job pay to get the points. do people want that? >> no, i don't think so. it's bizarre. it's strange. it reveals a philosophy essentially of content for poor people, you that have to force them into getting job training and trying to find work which is not the ality. and also not the reaty of most di recipients working full time in most cases. what matt bevin actually campaigned on was a full repeal of the medicaid extension. and obamacare has been so beneficial in kentucky. one-third of kentuckians benefit from obamacare in some way. once he came into office and realized the political reality, he found out it would be a disaster to pull back the full medicaid expansion. what he decided to do, he still has to find some way to make life harder for poor people they

decided to come up with a bizarre points system that, "a," you can frame it as rewards even though what you're actually doing is taking away vision and dental. and "b," you still get to say, i got rid of obamacare, we changed things in our state so he can still try to make good on the campaign promise. frankly, i think it's a little bit of the way of the future that the obamacare debate may go on at national level. when you try to take it away, people realize they themselves benefit from it. >> even though they ran on the guy who brought the health care. kentucky has had the biggest drop of any state. the most successful obamacare state. the biggest drop in the uninsured rate between 2013 and 2016 for more than % uninsured. down to 7.8%. it's a 12.6% drop. it's been successful. i've got to give you one little

ant ne anecdote. there's a guy in the courier journal, david thompson worked in various construction jobs and he suffered for years with untreated dental decay. here's a quote, i'd go to work and the pain would be so excruciating, i would literally go to lunch in the parking lot and pull my own teeth. it's been successful. that's successful. and he wants to change it. your thoughts? >> yeah. the issue is, i want people to think about this a little more deeply. and these new guidelines that the state of kentucky is putting out they're also like the new poll taxes or literacy tests during voting because they know they have discriminatory intent. we know they are punitive. there are companies that actually use rewards programs for their employees to do well, but they're not punitive. and they also make the work environment better. let's think about this, i said

to you before, you're either going to pay me now or pay me later. if you use these types of policies to make people that are going to the e.r., make them not go to the e.r., bau because the going to get fined if they dough and then take away their primary care what you're doing is make the problem worse because you're going to have to pay me now or later. if you work hard. you don't make a lot of money. and you don't use drugs and you have a ged, you're supposed to be blind or toothless. and that's not fair. the great folks of kentucky is not going to let this stand. it doesn't make any sense. especially because their program was working more than anybody else's in the country. >> kris, the proposal here, increasing premiums with people with the care act to them think that the premiums do not. this is a proposal. they're essentially saying kentucky's medicaid would go up.

based on the amount of time somebody is enrolled. premiums would go up the longer you're on medicaid to encourage people to get off of medicaid and get their own insurance. essentially they're saying it would promote personal responsibility by the longer you're on medicaid. $1 on average to $1.57. the longer you're enrolled the longer you pay. is that what the people of kentucky voted for? >> no, i don't think that's what the people of kentucky voted for either. it is strange because you have this rhetoric, premiums are too high, we've got to reduce premiums. and then you have a proposal that codifies increasing premiums so it's totally out of step with what they're saying. i do want to speak to this idea of what kentuckians did vote for because there's unusual feeling here. democrats, they intentionally distanced the affordable care act from the word obama.

so they intentionally created this distance. and there are a lot of folks in the state then that were benefits from obamacare and didn't realize it. they thought that affordable care act and connekt were distinct. the way that i vote and the way that you probably vote is not to get in on a calculator and figure out which spatter going to benefit my bottom line. they vote other other things, they vote on trust, and folks who will help them and their community. suddenly when people are realizing that they're going to have things taken away from them, a lot of times, this wasn't a surprise that they still felt like their underlying philosophies were aligned with the party and matt bevin. so that's why they went that that direction. voters don't usually do that numerical calculation/balance sheet approach to show they vote

at the ballot box. >> i did a piece in louisville, people were literally saying i vo voted for trump despite he was saying repeat and replace. let's go to this idea conceit on the right that people on medicaid are lay-abouts, that they've receiving an unearned benefit and not working. >> sure. >> here's what the keiser foundation looked at. 63% are working full time, 14 working part time. 23% not working. higher in kentucky the rates of people not working. that group, 8 in 10 medicaid folks are working or living in a family who are working. those who are not are people who are retired. they're people who have an illness or disability that prevents them from working or they are in school. this idea, a lot of them are not working because they're either sick, taking care of somebody

sick or they're a student. >> exactly. the optics for the whole thing for the state of kentucky it's just horrible. we always have to remember that we don't like to pigeonhole any group of people into making them into a negative stereotype. what this does, this perpetuates the whole adage that poor people need to pull themselves up by their boot straps. the reason why they're requiring this type of medicaid is because they're lazy and they don't work. that's not true. i take care of a huge medicaid population in the state of louisiana. when you look at louisiana, kentucky, these people work every day and they deserve health care. now, the issue is, people say, deserving of health care, that's not in the constitution. that's what trump likes to say. but we have to think about when the constitution was written. people also used to use hacksaws to cut off legs when the constitution was written so health care was not a pry

reportrepor prioritity. we have to make sure at the top of the economic health statistic suss is changed. th's how w govern and look at it in the next 100years. >> really quickly, yeah, i think that's really the essence here, is health care a right or a privilege -- period. i believe it's a right. democrats believe it's a right. republicans believe it's a privilege that you should be able to afford for the few. that's what's reflected. >> yeah. >> you both get an amen on this sunday. thank you very much. >> hallelujah. the rodney king beating and the l.a. riots continue to shape this country, 25 years later. stay with us. 60% of women are wearing the wrong size pad and...

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los angeles city. >> we have no police support whatsoever. >> this is a riot. >> i will use whatevers for is necessary to restore order. >> 25 years after the los angeles riots, the images continue to haunt us. the chaos that tore apart the racial fabric of a multiculture mecca when battle lines both real and sensizationalized tore apart the black, latino communities. l.a. 92, the new documentary premieres tonight on national geographic channel. it is, of course, the story intrinsically tied to one of the

images of rodney king who dealt more 50 blows to king while he was virtually helpless on the ground. the imageses were captured on grainy amateur tape long before cell phone cameras were ubiquitous. it was a video that would alter the way policing was in america. four police were charged in 1992, a year later, they were found not guilty by a mostly white jury in simi valley, california. less than three hours after the acquittals were announced. the unrest began. violence and fires spilled on to the streets for five days. resulting in deaths and injured. to simply the l.a. riots. still searching for answers as black americans continue to face violence in cities like baltimore. up next, my panel weighs in.

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tonight, we must tell our children one more time stay cool. be strong. that for after african-american children and adults freedom is not yet a reality in the united states. [ applause ] >> a lesser known contributing factor to the racial tension in los angeles in 1992 happened the same month as the rodney king beating. that was the shooting death of latasha harland. a 15-year-old african-american girl was shot in the back of the head at the store in a dispute over a bottle of orange juice. the store owner's was convicted of manslaughter but receive only probation, community service and a $500 fine prompting outrage in the los angeles black community. joining me now, three who played

pivotal roles. chairman of the brotherhood crusade. angela oh, and pat warrenson columnist of the "los angeles times" who was part of the reporting team. thank you for being here. i want to start with a montage. the latasha harland case was found as americans to be a spark that really did light the fuse before the rodney king case happened. let's talk about the tension between the black and korean communities in los angeles, leading up to that. take a look. >> in many cases, we're scapegoated and we're not the right target. >> we're not targing t itargeti koreans, we are the victims of blatant racism precipitated against us by the koreans. most koreans merchants saturate

black communities throughout the city, throughout the country with their businesses. >> koreans do not intentional sac saturate or invade particular communities in this instance, we're talking about african-american communities. that's simply not true. >> the last person in that montzage was angela oh, you can talk about that. was this idea of the korean and african-american community at war, was that real or ginned up? >> iave to say what was happening then the amp lificatin of what did exist but wasn't central. two marginal communities really don't have the capacity to create the kind of damage that we saw between april 29th and may 4th. it was clear there were other deeper problems, systemic

problem which continue do today. i'm talking about poor community police relation where is almost every week, we're hearing about still, young african-american men, for the most part, being killed in different situations. we still have a situation where the economy is such that people are fearful about what the next steps are going to be. where are we going in this economy? we still have media who are not fully covering the stories, even in, you know, 25-year interval. right now, i'm talking to people a lot to check out cape town 92 which is an interactive web base where stories untold can be shared so people can be better informed. i don't think that some of the rhetoric that we heard in '92 was intentional biased. i think people did not have information. i happened to be sitting in the intersection of many things. i was a criminal defense lawyer. i was active in the civil rights work that was going on in civil

liberties work. i happened to be involved with a roundtable of lawyers who were bringing lawsuits against law enforcement for police brutality. and i was very actively in my own community of korean-american women, and we focused on the case and we were working with the african-american bar in los angeles. it happened at that moment, when everything imploded i really understand because i'd been in deep conversation and i'd been studying. the black korean alliance was in existence back then. it got the most press conference when they called a press conference to announce their dissolution. i feel like the information that people have, we are living in the same physical space, but we are not in the same

consciousness, because we get our information from different sties. >> and you were involved in that, one thing that the african-american community had in common was the distrust in the police. vanished after that riot broke out. obviously the acquittal of those four officers even after the whole world watched them beat rodney king. talk from your perspective. did we learn anything from it? what came out of it? >> well, we certainly learned a lot. one of the things we learned is that darryl gates needs to go. unfortunately, he did go. the civil unrest -- we don't call them riots because riots are what people do after sensibly losing a football game, burning cars, what have you. this was implosion over oppression or suppression over accumulated years, decades. i think what the realities were

is that darryl gates and the police with drew from our communities, kind of left the community helpless, if you will, and just enraged. and i think that one of the things that we recognize there have been so many -- over the years, so many killings, the rodney king thing that obviously we saw. for people to be just given no justice after they beat this man half to death, the community was just tired of it and couldn't do anything. latasha harland, while we can't villainize all of the koreans and we shouldn't. the reality is we saw a young girl's head blown off because she was shopping and got an orange juice, because somebody miscalculated what she was doing in the store. the problem with korean-americans, they're setting up businesses, good for them. but they're not hiring people from the community. and they're being disrespectful to black people in the community. all of these things create a

certain kind of, you know, rage, within the community where we feel helpless. we feel hopeless. and you can't suppress and oppress people, you know, indefinitely, because eventually, there's going to be an eruption. that is in fact what happened. today, even though it's 25 years later, we still have ford that was killed by the police senselessly. we have brother brown billed by police. and shirley, shot in a car. the laws say you can't shoot into a car unless you know somebodies that a weapon inside that car. no weapon was to be found. i mean, those kinds of things are continuously happening to our community. society community feels continuously helpless and hopeless. and what are we going to do it about it as a society. we still have rampant unemployment. we have poor housing. we have criminal justice system that has gone awry. 25 years later, are there things

that have changed? yes. but are things better for the maes of black people? i don't think so. >> yeah. just looking at the statistics, the poverty rates have not changed since 1990. or even got worse in los angeles county. the poverty rate 15% from 2011 to 2015, 18%. it went up northeast of south l.a., it went up, a poverty rate of 26%. >> they talk about unemployment and they'll tell us the unemployment rate is our community is maybe 15% -- 10%. we think it's 40%, because the outrage, we see jobs going on in our community. we see construction going on in our community. but when we go to those construction sites, we don't see any black people working. if we can't work in our own communities, where can we work? >> i want to bring in pat morrison, we don't want to forget the person at the center of the entire thing with the late rodney king. you interviewed him on the 20th

anniversary of the uprising in l.a. on your program pat morrison. i want to play a little bit of that. >> when the rioting was under way and you made your famous statement about can't we all get along, what were you thinking as you were watching what was happening in l.a. all around you? >> speak about all the -- our history. i'm tired of seeing the history of our country, there's no need of spoiling all of the work that we've done in this country so far. i left something for my country to always think about after i'm dead and gone, can't we just all get along? hopefully, one day we won't even have to say that. >> after covering it as a journalist what do you think is the legacy of rodney king? >> beating in march of 1991 was something that shocked a lot of

angelina angelinas, but look, somebody finally got on karam. that generated the christian over to cosion led by the foer secretary of state warren christopher who look into how police go about doing their business. the riots also changed the structure of how the city's regulations about policing were done. but it still didn't address the fact how horrified we all were at the capacity of violence and what it was that generated it. to see the national guard on the streets of los angeles i think was a very sobering things for a lot of angelesnos. >> and neither one of them in in the media and neither one being well served. danny, angela oh, pat morriston, thank you for being here. >> thank you. >> thank you. coming up at the top of the hour, a closer look at the

protest movement keeping the pressure on donald trump. next up on "am joy" a controversial and bold stand against the death penalty.

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the national debate over the death penalty is back in spotlight. asphyxiate of florida first elected black prosecutor has announced she will not seek the death penalty in cases in her jurisdiction. governor rick scott respond by removing her from 23 capital punishment cases. florida state attorney joins me now. thank you very much for being here. >> thank you for having me. >> you have not backed down in the face of being stripped of these 23 cases. tell us what you are doing in response to the governor and why did you take this stance against

enforcing the death penalty or seeking it? >> no, i haven't backed down. i had the experience to make this decision. i've been a prosecutor for my career. i've and about public defender, a law professor and past president of multiple bars. i made this decision with a lot of thought. it was not an easy 2001 arrive at. once i realized the chaos the death penalty was in i knew i needed to make the decision. governor responded and i responded back. at the end of the day prosecutors need their independence to effectively do their job and i'm fighting for the freedom that every sing of the other 19 prosecutors have across the state of florida. >> governor rick scott signed a motion co-signed by the attorney general your request to reinstated your decision not to seek the death penalty ultimately reflect yours personal believes rather than the laws of the state. your acting on your personal opposition to the death penalty the . >> the death penalty has been

stricken down twice. you look at nearly 400 cases that have come back and old, old cases, i'm talking about cases since i was 2 years old, 1976, 1977, those cases have come back because an execution hasn't occurred. we're dealing with a mess in our capital punishment system. before i makeecision to throw more cases into the chaos and create re, i decided it was more effective and justice would be more effectively served by life sentences during this period of time. that's nothing personal that's being whonest. >> let's look at the consequences of the decision you made. lawmakers could cut your budget. you've been subjected to racial talks and some threats. you received a noose and racist messages in the mail. how have you dealt with that? >> it's a reality. those are people's opinions. i'll continue to do my job. it's a distraction but it will not take away from reality of

the status of our death penalty. you can attack me. you can attack me. you can attack me. can you not change the reality of our death penalty system is in chaos and has been like in a lot of turmoil for several years. >> does seem do you have the support of the people in your county. people's opinion on what should be the punishment for first degree murder, 62% say some form of life in prison. you do have the public on your side. is this partly tied to the quality of the drugs or quality of the cases. we've had controversy over the actual drugs used to kill people. >> my position wasn't dealing with the drugs. it was dealing with the problem of our death penalty statute. when i ran for office, for example, we didn't have a death penaltystatute. it wasn't until march 13th of this year that the governor signed a new statute. and that is now requiring a unanimous verdict and the last time we had a unanimous verdict was in 1998. >> well, state attorney in the

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