things up. >> andrew jackson is with us on the currency. they are both right. have a great afternoon. here are the top three stories we are following. republicans are scrambling to get votes for the health care plan. our nbc news shows 21 republicans voting no. another 17 undecided. republicans can only afford 22 nos. the main issue holding things up is people with preexisting conditions. paul ryan made this pitch. >> there are a few layers in this bill. what's important is we want to have a situation where people can afford the health insurance. >> will people with preexisting conditions be cover and will they be able to afford coverage? we will break it down. after a bizarre series of interviews for president trump, the president is touting the

government funding bill hours after calling for a government shut down on twitter. >> we have more money now for the border than in 10 years. the democrats didn't tell you that. they forgot. in their notes they forgot to tell you that. with enough money to make a down payment on the border wall. i think they will go back and check their papers. >> we checked the papers. is there money for a border wall? we will bring you an update from the white house and we heard from hillary clinton from the u.s. air strike in syria to russian interference in the 2016 election. we have a lot to cover. chris jansing is following the latest. mike viquiera. thanks to all of you. i want to play you some of what we heard from hillary clinton about her election loss.

we will get that. hold on here. >> it wasn't a perfect campaign. there is no such thing. but i was on the way to winning until a combination of jim comey's letter on october 28th and russian wikileaks raise dotsn the minds of people who wer inclined to vote for me and got scared off. as nate silver who doesn't work for me, he's an independent analyst and considered to be very reliable concluded if the election was on october 27th, i would be your president. it was on october 28th and there was a lot of funny business going on around that. ask yourself this. within an hour or two of the hollywood access tape being made public, the russian theft of john podesta's e-mails hit

wikileaks. what a coincidence. you can't make this stuff up. so did we make mistakes? of course we did. did i make mistakes, oh, my gosh, yes. you will read my confession and request for ab solution. the reason why i believe we lost were the intervening events in the last 10 days. >> aj, let me ask you this. you heard rick tyler saying to katie that hillary clinton has not moved on. some say it's cathartic and some say it's important to learn from. what do you take from this? >> she won't move on if people asked her what happened in the campaign and people continue to ask her questions about the campaign. i don't think that's a legitimate criticism. personally i do believe comey flipped the election and nate silver is persuasive and i think the best proof of that is donald

trump lost his talking points until comey came along and the whole end of his campaign in advertising and public statements was based on the comey announcement. we can debate that until the cows come home. i thought what she did today is classic for candidates who lose. she was much more relaxed and did acknowledge mistakes and we will hear more o that. there was another point where she wouldn't blame her staff. i think that's a good thing for candidates to do and i suspect that maybe this is the test. i doubt anybody who voted for her had second thoughts about their vote after watching this calm presentation and rather pointed comment and it was a reflection of what trump said this job is harder than i thought. her pointed comment that she was ready for the job being hard. >> some people will still say and we keep asking the question

about why she lost. this is where she is going to go. it went somewhere else. we know that president trump just got off the phone with vladimir putin that that was put to hillary clinton. they were talking about vladimir putin and the hacking of the 2016 election. >> well, he certainly interfered in our election and it was clear he interfered to hurt me and help my opponent. if you chart my opponent and his campaign's statements, they quite coordinated with the goals that that lead who shall remain nameless had. >> journalist to journalist, there are four of us on the screen, there are folks who say every bright shiny object we follow and we have to follow them because they are put out by

the administration takes us away from this central issue and that is what did russia play and what role did the trump campaign have in that? >> his greatest success in the first 100 days was keeping the russia story at bay. i don't think you can do that forever. today he has a call with vladimir putin. we will keep asking the question, what exactly did trump's campaign know about the russian intervention and why did russia intervene? i guess unless the news at the end of the line is bad, trump should be a lot more forth coming in trying to put this behind him because these questions are not going away until we answer them. >> chris jansing, i can't get clarity on this border wall funding. eye a finance guy. either there is funding or there isn't. it appears that there isn't.

donald trump and nick mull vainy said there is. >> they said it's a down payment. that's what we heard today. there is nothing in the budget that is earmarked to build the wall. that is the bottom line. however, the director took over the briefing for sean spicer and said they will take this huge amount of money they have for border security and using it in places where, for example, it's a circumstance cyclone fence and building i 20-foot steel wall that will be more useful. let's listen to what he had to say. >> there are several hundreds of millions of dollars to replace cyclone fencing with 20 foot high steel wall. several hundreds of millions of dollars to build levy walls along the southern border. some of the most vulnerable areas are where we need levies

to provide the protection that we need. we are building this now. >> he could not say where the wall was that they were showing the picture or how many miles they would be able to cover, but bottom line, you are right about that. there is no money for this new big beautiful wall the president promised, but that could be a big point of contention for the next fiscal year. >> you and i have been at this and we have never talked about a good government shut down. the reason for the plan negotiated between the republicans and the democrats is we need 6 votes in the nate. we need more republican senators or change the rules to 51%. we need to fix the mess. >> peter arl xander asked the

question to mick mull vainy. he pointed out several shutdowns in the past. the president is frustrated with the pace of how congress works and he is talking about the possibility of a nuclear option that republicans pushed back on, but when it am cans to a shut down, here is what the director had to say. >> the president is frustrated with the fact that he negotiated a good faith with the democrats and they spiked the football to make him look bad. i get the frustration. it's a terrible posture for the democrats. we are trying to prove washington will with them, i wo to that. they are walking around -- the one that drives the mess knowledge back home that it was as broken as they thought it was

and they would trust him, that's what is necessary to do to fix washington, d.c. that would be a good shut down. >> i will beesou with the time i have been in the white house, i never have seen anything quite like that. the level of frustration against the democrats, but clearly he was saying they lied about what is in the budget. after that they left. sean spicer didn't brief. we didn't get anything on the call with putin and where the white house thinks we are with the health care vote and whether or not they will have the vote this week. very interesting, but make no mistake about it, if you listen to the budget director and what the president had to say, they are telling the democrats in the future a shut down is not off the table. >>hat's a weird piece of conversation. as i live and breathe, mike viquiera is joining me from the

capital. we know that the republicans can afford to lose 22 votes. our count indicates there are 21 no votes so far. mike pence was on the hill earlier today talking to congressman charlie dent who was a no vote right now. this could be the second time in a row they put a bill forward that they claim they have the power to pass and they don't. >> right. things are trending in the wrong direction. since we have worked together in the past, we will talk about the budget bill. all the discussion of whether the democrats won the white house, we will tell by tomorrow. the house takes the vote and it will get overwhelming democratic support. the people who vote for it will be the president's base. that may be a good barometer. on to the health care bill. vice president pence has been

here most of the day on the house and the senate side. trying to twist arms and ka joel and pressure. working alongside the republican team, but the white house messaging operation particularly the president's tweets himself that is stepping on their own message. hoo wants a shut down, he can veto the bill that funds the government until october 1st. unlikely to happen. when it comes to health care, as the meetings are going on behind closed doors because the republicans, president trump wants a victory on this health care, this signature promise that republicans have been making for the last eight years. president trump tweets out or said in an interview that nothing is final. that under cuts the effort that the whips are making. there is not democrat who votes

for this. you got the numbers lose. they can lose 22, but not 23. a couple of republicans were in their back pocket will be up front. a former chairman of a powerful commitme committee announced that he is a no because of the preexisting condition clause that has been inserted. also billy long with president trump all along, he is pulling his support and long got a call from president trump and he is against it because of the preexisting condition provision that conservatives inserted in. >> i'm going to be talking to scott taylor. we know the president was on the phone with vladimir putin. you have news on what they talked about?

>> they gave a read out and it was a good call. the way they describe it, let me put it into context. this is the first time the two men have spoken when they thought it was at a new low. the first time since the united states took action. according to this note from the white house, they agreed that the situation there needs to be addressed and in fact they said it was a discussion of safe or what they would call deescalation zones to achieve peace. the united states is going to send a representative in kazakhstan in the next couple of days. they talked about working together to eradicate terrorism in the mideast. there was a question of would they get the subject of north korea. they spoke about how to best resolve the dangerous

situations. as we have seen with the president, they can go on to multiple topics and in some length. they have an indication that the three big topics were broached. >> the talks will be multiparty talks about a ceasefire in syria. great to have all of you here. thanks for joining me. >> the battle over health care and trump insists the preexisting conditions are included and the critics say not quite. a quick programming note, tomorrow elizabeth warren has an interview with joe and mika to discuss the future of the democratic party and that's more on "morning joe." baa baa black sheep, have you any wool? no sir, no sir,

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>> before 2014, if you were born with congenital heart disease, there was a chance you could never get health insurance. if your baby is going to die and doesn't have to, it shouldn't matter how much money you make. that is something whether you are a republican or democrat, we all agree on that, right? >> just part of an emotional

monologue from jimmy kimmel who was talking about his newborn son's heart condition. he is okay. barack obama said well said, jimmy. that's exactly why we need to protect it for kids like billy. >> as we get closer to a vote, is the plan going to cover the preexisting conditions kimmel was talking about or will states adopt what is called high risk pools? john torres is here on set. thank you for being with us. let's talk about this. under the plan, a state can opt to get out of the provisions of the new act and they might establish something called high risk pools. what are we talking about? >> the insurance companies divide people in two categories. people that are healthy. their premiums will be lower and coverage will be good. the second group have medical nditions whoor the rest of

his life has conditions he has to deal with. people with cancer and people with high blood pressure or allergies. >> so defined. your likelihood to use more insurance. >> the more you use it, the more expensive it will be. if they put that in that pool, premiums are higher and coverage is lower. >> they are used in coastal areas that are prone to flooding. you spread the risk over everybody in the pool who is likely to get hit by a hu hurricane. >> it defines people in different categories and they have to pay according to how sick they are or could be versus people who are not sick. this is like a tollroad. you pay for the 3450i8s you travel to build a road and keep it fixed. not every road is a tollroad for a reason. you can see here in the u.s.

alone, they are saying that one out of two americans, the centers for medicaid and medicare, one out of two has preexisting conditions. 50% of us that have job provided health insurance also have preexisting conditions. we might be in a high risk pool. >> the 55 to 64 is important because it's before you hit medicare. >> they have a condition that might put them in a pool. >> we are going to have a conversation with congressman scott taylor from virginia. good to see you and thank you for being with us. you are a yes so far when it goes to the floor in the next 24 or 48 hours. >>. >> thank you for having me. yes, i am a yes vote and i have been clear all the way through this why. yes, sir, i am. >> you are an ex-navy s.e.a.l. i like to not make mistakes with

you. let's talk about the conversation i had with dr. torres. there is a concern that the word out there is that everybody is covered. donald trump said everyone with preexisting conditions is covered. states can get a waiver that is easy to do. all they have to do is write to the department as long as nobody notes, they get a waiver and could create the high risk pools. that could end up costing people a lot more money if they are sick. >> there is a lot of information out there and a lot of emotions out there. you saw kimmel's video that is emotional and good. that moves people. it's not opt out and that strict process. you have to have a plan in place. they have to cover people with preexisting conditions. you have people with preexisting conditions. the bill protects it and if states apply for the waiver and

it's a strict process, they have to have a plan for reinsurance or risk pools to be able to protect people who have preexisting conditions. your previous guest pointed out that there are a lot of people with preexisting conditions. by no circumstances are they not going to be protected. whether at the federal or the state level. >> the issue with a strict requirement, actually if a state writes to the secretary of health and human services and don't get a response, that state is waived. >> i have to push back on that. that's not what i understand and what i have read. >> i never want to disagree with a guy who can kill me with his little finger, but i have read it. >> they have to apply for the waiver. >> no response is given if they get the waiver. all tom price has to do is not answer virginia's letter and virginia gets to do the waiver.

here's the question. everybody can get coverage. the issue is at a cost. this is the problem. there are reports and we haven't seen the score so i don't know how anybody has this discussion, but for a cost that could be too high. >> you bring up a great point. i have tons of constituent who is had preexisting conditions and cannot afford the premiums under the aca. i believe the new replacement will be better for them. we are not going to discriminate based on the preexisting condition. you won't be discriminated against based on your health status. you will have to be covered and your premiums won't be what they are in the aca. people have preexisting conditions today who have coverage, but can't afford the premiums and the deductible.

they don't have coverage. they may have a card, but not coverage. >> i hope before you cast your vote and i know you are a yes, i hope you see a score. one of us is right and one is wrong and i don't have the authority to tell you i am more right, but we have to see the detail on this. >> i was with you before as well. i want to see the score, sure. this is only one piece of it. it could be completely right with scoring this piece, but if you don't have all the data, your scoring is incomplete. >> it may be off, but we are putting our fingers up in the wind and hoping one of us is right. it's a bad way to make a decision on something that affects so many people. >> i want as many people in on it as possible. it's important for all americans. >> i appreciate you talking to us. thank you very much. >> scott taylor from virginia.

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hillary clinton just finished speaks at an event in new york city. we heard on a number of topics from her loss to president trump to russian interference in the 2016 election. she also spoke about the current state of women's rights. >> there is still so much inequity. so much unfairness. so much disrespect and discrimination towards women and girls. have we made progress? yes, we have, but have we med enough? no, we haven't. it's not a minor issue. it's not a luxury. you get to after everything is resolved. it is central to the maintenance, stability, sustainability of democracy and human rights. it is critical to our national security. women's rights is the unfinished business of the 21st century. >> clinton said she did support the strike in syria.

a former south carolina police officer just pleaded guilty to violating the civil rights of an unarmed black man. he was caught on camera fatally shooting walter scott in the back as he ran from a traffic stop. he pleaded guilty to federal civil rights changes in exchange for the state's murder charges against him being dropped. the state trial ended in a hung jury in december. the former u.s. attorney for the state of south carolina who first pursued charges against him. he heads a group looking to improve relations in north charleston. can you clarify for our viewers, he faced federal and state charges. now with this plea, what happens to him? >> what happens now is he will be sentenced under the federal guidelines that that will be scheduled in the future and one of the great things that is

great about that, there will be an opportunity for all the parties to come in and he can take into could when deciding the appropriate sentence for him. >> what's the advantage to him? he gets a lesser sentence upper the state charges? >> he does get a reduction prior to trial. i want to say this. there is always risk associated with trial as evidenced by what we saw. they thought they would get a murder conviction and they didn't. s have risk associate and this brings us to a conclusion. it is finite. he gets sentence and it's over. there is no appeals. it's over. the wonderful city can continue to move forward and improve their relationships with law enforcement.

>> we are waiting to hear from the scott family. what does improve? when the shootings happen, things get worse. the police back into their corner about the tough job and there are a lot of bad folks and the community say the police target minorities and shoot them. >> you are right. it is a y in the road when the community defines who they are. the north charleston mayor and the leaders brought in the cop's program to do a review of the police practices and as you mentioned, they got me running a citizens group which i am not running, but serving as an adviser to begin to see what we can do to further improve a relationship with the community.

at the end of the day, that's not going to the corners. we are seeing the kmurnts coming out over halfway. it's my hope they can make it the amazing place they can be. >> get people out of the corners. still to come, president trump is considering breaking up banks that separates the banking you and i do with the investment banking. if he succeeds, how does it affect us all?

on the campaign trail, donald trump said he was ready to break up america's big banks. nothing of the sort has been mentioned until now. he said he is considering bringing back something like the act instituted during the great depression and repealed in 1999. >> we are looking at that. there are some people who want to go back to the old system. we will look at that. we are looking at it right now as we speak. dodd frank is going to be very, very seriously changed so the banks can go back to loaning money. >> this was a law enacted to prevent banks from combining lending and deposits with the inis vestment banking.

it used to be a lent it to borrowers to buy a home. they made sure the banks did nothing riskier with money than lend it to borrowers to safe transactions and collateral like a business. they were not a losed to investment business or trade on the market. by 1999 the law was viewed as out of date and repealed under president clinton and failed to anticipate how exotic and dangerous trading would be. a frenzy followed and jpmorgan merged with chase manhattan, et cetera, but financial institutions made more money using deposits to trade than lending money to borrowers. that made them too big to fail. they were complex intertwined that would take down hundreds of thousands of homeowners and borrowers if they were to fail.

when institutions found themselves on the brink of collapse, the government was forced to step in and bail them out. it's not clear, however, that an act would prevent the melt down of 2008. consumer banks like wachovia and washington mutual lost their shirts because of bad loans. investment firms had toxics securities on their books and aig is not even a bank, it's an insurance company and wouldn't have been regulated. joining me to discuss the comments is from the financial sector at rafferty capital. you heard my explanation. what's wrong with it? >> first off, i don't think it was the bank's trading activities that created the recession. it was lending on houses. that's what your traditional bank does. we lost one bank virt krully

every day since 1987 that is a traditional bank. that doesn't work if you are trying to build a financial system that competes in the global markets. >> but they are or were most people agree too big to fail. the government had to save them. they are still pretty big. if a major institution failed, it would take down more than that financial institution today. >> that's true of every country in the world. it's impossible to build a global financial system such as we have in the united states and have small banks. you have to take rink and have large banks. there is no way around it. >> do you think there is any reality to the suggestion that donald trump made to bloomberg that they are looking at reimposing this act? >> no,i don't. i think if you consider the consumer, if you split up the

banking system, you would run a situation where the consumer would be paying more for products because scaled economies would be gone and not have the investment in mobile banking. you would charge him more for what you are giving him. plus, you would take the united states out of the world financial system as a major factor and that would be a serious problem for the down theory. >> you think it's a non-starter. >> i don't think it's realistic, no. >> good to talk to you. thank you for chatting with us. >> okay. >> the vice president of equity research. we are going to take a break and be right back.

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>> since that night, what has changed some the fight against terror presses on. i want to welcome the author of anatomy of terror from the death of bin laden to the rise of the state. a former special agent on the left with an international reputation. his work identifying the 9/11 hijackers and interrogating members led to several breakthroughs. he joins me now on set. good to see you, my friend. >> good to see you. >> you often made the point that americans associate the death of bin laden with a major blow against the new terrorism with which we were not familiar. you warned that that's dangerous. it's not over and al qaeda is not dead. >> the reports of al qaeda's death are exaggerated. if you look at six years after bin laden was killed it's easy to realize the bullets that took down the leader did not take down his ideology and the

organization. the struggling affiliates at the time bin laden died are struggling no more. if you look at al qaeda and iraq, you look at isis. alone they had 20,000 members today. remember al qaeda on the eve of 9/11 in afghanistan had 400 members. they took advantage of the conflict happening in the country. they went up 4,000 to 500 members. they were able to bring all these different affiliates that are different ethnic and tribal groups and have them pdge allegiance to the local manager. if you look at southeast asia, they have been taking advantage of everybody focusing on the

shiny object, isis and rebuilding the network. in indonesia alone, at the time of bali, the bombing, bali bomb. today they have 66 radical addresses. the network is expanding its influence, expanding its numbers and members and the capabilities and that's very scary. we should focus on this because as isis dwindled down, as this so-called caliphate starts to disappear off the map in iraq and syria, al qaeda is making a comeback. >> the other day when we dropped the mother of all bombs in a region in southeastern afghanistan, northwestern, over the border from northwestern pakistan, that's not an area that's been getting a lot of news lately. some said it was another distraction or a warning to north korea or whatever it was. tell me what this was and what impact it had. >> well, basically, we said that

it attacked an isis base in afghanistan. that's fine and dandy, okay, no problem in hitting isis anywhere around the world. but do you remember early on in afghanistan we used the daisy cutters and that was basically the mother of all bombs at the time. it was the biggest bomb we had that's not a nuclear bomb. and, you know, 10 years, 12 years, 14 years later, now it's 15 years later, afghanistan is still going on. we are the longest war in afghanistan. look, the military option should not be the only option. we should use all the other tools in the box. since 9/11, we have been very successful tactically, but strategically, it has been a disaster. we don't have any strategic successes. >> what is the strategic -- what does a guy like you who dwels in the world of intelligence and the world of global security think the strategic objective should be when dealing with what you're saying is a growing problem, not a shrinking

problem? >> the threat, the terrorism threat mutated, so now we have to deal with the incubating factors feeding into extremism and terrorism. we need to have a political solution for these geopolitical conflicts that's creating vacuums in the middle east that's attracting all these radicals and jihadis and making generations being totally lost and radicalized by extremists and terrorist organizations. the problem in syria, the war in yemen, the chaos in libya, what's happening in somalia, all are very important and we cannot think about them as, oh, this is far away things. it will never haunt us. that is a mentality we had after the soviet jihad in afghanistan. that's the mentality we had of the uss coa schlt schlss cole, e had 9/11. >> my friend, thank you for this and for this new book called

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baltimore orioles center fielder adam jones says he was the target of racial slurs and insults last night at fenway park and says fan even threw

peanuts at him. boston police confirm they are investigating that. the red sox issued a statement apologizing to jones, saying in part, no player should have an object thrown at him on the playing field, nor be subject to any kind of racism at fenway park. our organization and our fans are sickened by the conduct of an ignorant few. mike, good to see you, thank you for being with us. joan is abo jones is about to speak at the top of the hour and says he's been the subject of he can heckling but this is the worst in his career. >> a little context here. this is a ball player who's not only a team leader, he is more well versed in african-american history and jackie robinson than maybe any other young man in the sport. so he's an unlikely object of this. this all happens two weeks after we celebrate the 70th anniversary of jackie robinson

running out to first base and breaking the color barrier in baseball. this story makes your soul hurt, that somebody would use the "n" word on this young man at fenway park. and from what i've gather and i talked to a kid who was sitting about 15 rows behind last night, it went on far too long before people got mad about what the guy was doing by throwing peanuts at jones and then what he finally said. >> look, in '42 or if you read about jackie robinson, you know this was commonplace not just in those days but for decades thereafter, but is it commonplace now? there are about 62 black players in major league baseball. do you hear about this kind of thing happening much? >> david price who's a red sox pitcher says it's happened to him at fenway park. it used to happen to carl crawford when he was playing for tampa and came up to play for the red sox. listen, i understand that one

dope doesn't shame an entire ballpark or an entire city but guess what, ali, one dope is one too many in the modern world. and again, for this to go on just reminds you all over again that race is and always will be the third rail in this country. >> by the way, there might have been a bunch of people. the red sox reportedly said about 30 people were rejected last night so that may have been the group among these people were. what do you do about this? how do you fix something like that? is this fenway saying you guys are out, can't come back to games here? what do you do? >> ali, as you know, we live in a world where you are constantly told if you see something, say something. well, at a ballpark, if you hear something, say something. get an usher, get a cop, and get a guy like this drummed out of the stadium and never allowed in again. >> well said, mike. good to see you.

thank you for joining us. always a pleasure. i guess that's it for me this hour. i'll see you back here tomorrow afternoon at 3:00 eastern, noon pacific. you can find me on twitter, facebook and snapchat. thank you for watching. up next, my friend and colleague, steve kornacki. >> good afternoon, live in new york. topping our agenda, hillary is back. >> i'm now back to being an activist citizen and part of the resistance. >> hillary clinton with her fullest explanation yet of who and what she blames for her stunning defeat in last november's election. also on the agenda, here we go again. >> the purpose of our bill is to get more choices, to lower prices while preserving the protection for pre-existing conditions. >> the second time around a republican health care replacement bill making its way through the house and the second time around again it could be on