11th hour. i'm nicole wallace in for brian williams tonight. have a great evening. congressman adam shift live here with us tonight, looking forward to that. we've got one of the chief architects of the affordable care act with us here tonight to talk in some detail about the consequences today of this huge political news out of washington. republicans this afternoon at the white house, republicans celebrating. people who support the affordable care act or who depend it on the family's access to health care, on the other side, despondent today. if you are in either of those camps, or neither of those camps, we're going to try tonight to get past some of the politics of this and talk about the real life consequences of what just happened.

so, i'm very much looking forward to that discussion. i'll just say as an aside, if you know somebody that doesn't like cable news because they don't like paying that much attention to left versus right or red versus blue they're worried about the practical consequences of what happened here. you might want to call them and tell them to watch. what we're going to do particularly in our second segment here on the show tonight. this is the a block, in the b block we'll have that very very nuts and bolts discussion about the practicalities. so you have time to make that call, in case you nobody in that boat, that is coming up tonight. all right in 1965, a man named nikoli came to power in romania. romania was part of the soviet block at the time and he ruled romania as its communist leader and ultimately its dictator. from the time he rose to power

in 1965 until 1989 until he got thrown out. he was -- it was a tyrant. he was a dictator, he ruled with an iron fist. 1989, though, that was the year the berlin wall fell and the soviet union started to fall apart. and that year nikoli faced a huge popular uprising at home in romania. and that popular uprising it ultimately became a revolution. it was bloody in the end. look at those crowds. in the end he was over thrown by his people. he and his wife were, in fact, executed. and that was not the norm. former communist countries, mostly did not have to go through violent revolutions and killing their leaders in order to turn themselves in democracies. but that is what happened in romania. that is how they started to become a democracy in 1989. but the memory of that revolution is fresh. 1989 is not that long ago.

that's why it attracted international attention earlier this year when romainians suddenly started taking to the streets, again, in huge numbers, numbers that literally had not been seen since the revolution in 1989. in february of this year, look at that -- what brought all of those people out into the streets was something absolutely incredible, that the elected romanian government tried to get away with it. the leader of the ruling party in romania. two problems one is his previous conviction on corruption charges. two, the other thing that's in his way, is the other set of corruption charges that are still pending against him, in addition to the ones for which he has already been convicted, that's a real problem for the the guy who is the leader of the

ruling party in that country. these corruption convictions, these pending corruption charges. so in february the government in romania decided they were going to deal with this problem in a very creative way. they were going to deal with this problem faced by, in particular, this politician by making corruption legal. literally, they tried to pass a law in february that would make official misconduct, bribery, abuse of your office, misappropriation of funds, it will just make that legal, as long as the amount of money involved was less than 40 something thousand charges. turns out they were in the $20,000 range, if that bill had passed, he would be clear. what he had done would retroactively become legal. they literally tried to legalize corruption. that was in february. and they might have gotten away with it, except for those crazy kids, because this is what happened in february in romania. i mean, in february in romania, it's cold, right.

look at the capitol city. look at the streets, hundreds of thousands of people turned out. hey, government, the answer is no. you're not doing this. you're not making corruption legal for your own convenience. people stayed out in the streets every night for like a couple of weeks, eventually, the government caved, bribery and corruption and abuse of office went back to being illegal. but, the head of the ruling party was still the head of the ruling party and he still had this problem. he's still got that corruption conviction. he's still got these charges against him, pending. now, the government in that country tried to go back at it. their second pass at this problem. they decided, okay, we learned our lesson a little bit from last time, from february. we will no longer try to declare corruption and bribery to be legal. instead, they came up with legislation this time that would effectively issue automatic pardons for any public official

convicted of corruption or bribery or abuse of office. i think they figured that maybe the public had, you know, gotten their yayas out in february. the public may have cooled off after gigantic protest they had, maybe the public stopped paying attention. turns out that was a miscalculation, because like flipping a switch, here they come again. romainians by the thousands back in the streets of their capitol city last night, and this time it did not take as long for the government to get the message. the free pardons for official corruption bill was voted down in the romanian senate last night after the people in roman main -- romania filled tup streets again. people drove around the parliament building all day today honking their horns, reminding the parliament that they're still out there.

people in romania are calling for more protests there in the days ahead. not apparently because they're worried the government is going to try to sneak this thing again, i think, as far as i can tell, i think they want more protest in the days ahead just to punish the government for even having the gall to have tried this again after they couldn't get away with it in february. they tried to make corruption legal, illegal. they tried to make it legal. they said, we'll leave it illegal, but anybody who does it if they're a public official, they get a pardon. yeah, an the people of romania said, no. sohawa-- that was the capitol city in romania last night. >>in our country, we do not have a recent short sharp memory of a bloody revolution, right, of leaders over thrown, let alone executed. you know, we don't have crowds

storming through the legislature throwing papers out the window like we saw in romania in 1989. you know, here in this country, we don't do that. at least, we don't do that in the last couple of centuries. we do, sometimes, have big demonstrations in our capitol city, though, the biggest ever happened right after this president was sworn in. the biggest protest d.c. has ever seen. when it comes to the first major policy action taken by this new president and his party, when it comes to health care, there's not a bucharest on the patomic situation here. there's not one mass uprising all in one place. but there is something important to watch here, something consequential to watch here, because the public approval for the previous reversion of what the republicans just passed today in health care, the approval for the friendlier version of this that they failed

to pass a few weeks, the rating of that legislation was only 17%. and the bill that they did pass today is even -- has even less popular stuff in it than that one that rated at 17%. when they passed this today, you saw some spontaneous protest in washington, basically, at the moment when this thing passed, you saw people start to come out in washington. and we have been watching this afternoon and into tonight in new york city where the president arrived for the evening event on the west side of manhattan. i shall tell you the president was making remarks tonight at the museum will be monitoring those remarks in case he makes some news. there are and have been centralized protests. but the places you really see show up and make themselves heard, and try to stop this thing, just as citizens, the place you've seen that is not -- you know, in the streets of

washington, d.c., necessarily, or in the streets of america's largest city, new york city. it's been dispersed out in the country. it's been out in the individual congressional districts where people can get through to their member of congress, who was suppose to answer to them on stuff like this. you've seen it on the corners of busy intersections. you've seen it outside district offices for members of congress and senators. you've seen it inside the district offices, too. and overwhelmingly, often emotionally. you've seen it at town hall meetings that members of congress hold with their constituents. back in early february, tom held a town hall meeting in roseville, california, which is part of his district. his district is solidly republican, so he probably did not expect this at his roseville town hall. hundreds hoff his constituents, hundreds of demonstrators gathered on the street outside the venue. what they're saying is "send him

out, send him t" they're saying that they could not get into the event themselves. this was the over flow crowd for his republican district in roseville, california. congressman's office had picked a venue that held about 200 people, more than a thousand people showed up for that event. and they pleaded with police. they pleaded with authorities and staffers. the police let them in, but there was no room. so there's hundreds of extra people, they waited outside, on the sidewalks, in the street. i mean, look at these people here they ended up literally filling the different levels of a nearby parking garage. i mean, that's how big the turn out was for this event. people were standing on the decks of the parking garage next door. hundreds of hundreds of people turning in this event, upset with this policy's positions. they're saying vote him out. and the atmosphere was not that much better inside the event.

>> must be replaced with something coverage -- >> no matter how pug nation your -- no matter how pugnacious your personality is as an elected official, this sort of thing from your constituents, this sort of thing has to be effecting, right, even if you're a real tough guy and stoic in front of this, even if you're not effected by the crowd, the one on one look me in the eye moments with people who are counting on you, people who you represent that kind of has to effect you just as a human being, like, if you're a member of congress, this year, this is the difficulty of having that one on one confrontation. >> ten years ago my wife had two open heart surgeries, she now

lives with two artificial valves in her heart. she's on a great medication and the aca helps us to get that medication. if you cancel the aca without putting a viable alternative in there on my fixed income, we will no be able to afford the medication that she now takes and she will die. her name is judy. judy, same last name. if you vote to cancel the aca and you see her name in an obituary, shame on you. >> that was david emerson who is california resident who is in that district. he spoke out during the town hall about his concerns about what could happen to his wife if the affordable care act was repealed. we found him, david emerson joins us tonight from

california. mr. emerson, thank you very much for being with us tonight, i appreciate you taking the time to be here. >> good evening. >> so that tape of you speaking with your congressman had -- had national residents that ended up getting picked up all over the company. how did you feel when you heard about this vote today? >> a wide range of feelings. one was anger, the other was depression. we demonstrate at the office every tuesday because the vote was so significant today, we were there again today. we had over 100 demonstrators on tuesday, but because of the time differential we had probably half that many today. they had already heard that the vote had been taken and the result was made public. >> was it a surprise for to he voted to repeal or did you know

that's what he was going to do? >> we have signs that say tom mctrump because we feel like he's simply a rubber stamp for the new administration. so, no, it was not a surprise. >> take me back to that first town hall -- can you tell me about the decision that you made to speak out in that way, obviously, you were one of the lucky people who got inside. can you take me back to that meemt when you de -- moment when you decided to tell me what you told him. >> when i got into the venue i sat between two young ladies in wheelchairs and one of them told me that she had been in an automobile accident and she was covered by the affordable care

act and she had some kind of blood disorder and it was the medication that she received that helped her. i said, you need to stand up and tell him what you just told me and she was extremely intimidated by the situation. i thought in college for 30 years. i was not at that point intimidated i wanted to stand up and personalize the situation rather than just talk statistics. all we heard before was 24 million people and 10 million people there. and i thought, perhaps, he would listen to a much more personal statement and so that's when i stood up and made the statement that i did. i had no idea i would receive the press that it had.

i had friends in church i saw you on tv and i'm usually a very quiet person and i'm not use to that kind of thing. but i felt like, mctrump, as we call him, was going to just go along the party line and citing statistics and i thought he needed to be more personalized -- to give an example of what had happened. the young lady refused to allow me to use her as an example so i used my wife. >> thank you for joining us. i appreciate you making time to talk to us tonight. thank you, sir. >> thank you. mr. emerson's congressman did vote to kill the affordable care act today. that was expected.

constituents there calling him tom mctrump. that said, it was not necessarily a sure thing how anybody would vote heading into today's vote. but tom voted yes. as did john faso. you may not know his name, but you will probably remember him from this encounter with his one of his constituents. >> i grew up right down the road. >> what's your name? >> hi, oh, you're -- >> i went to school with your kids, your wife was our school nurse. >> she still is. >> awesome. >> i'm not no longer my school nurse, though. >> you're more than 18. >> oh, yeah. >> i have a brain tumor and a spinal condition and when i was first diagnosed i was kicked off my insurance because pre-existing conditions. and same i support this is not good enough.

i need you as a human being to say, i promise that we will not take this away from you -- >> i promise. i promise. i totally understand. i need you to take care of this. we elect you to take care of this. >> we totally -- >> congress john faso, today also voted to appeal. but joining us is that constituent of republican congress john faso. her name is andrea mitchell. not to be confused with nbc andrea mitchell. this is the young woman who got that hug and promise he would not take away her health care. she joins us now from albany, new york. thank you very much for being with us. i appreciate you making the time. >> thank you so much for having me. >> so when you talked to the congressman earlier this year, we caught that exchange.

we found it online. we gave it some national attention. it felt like a very personal and a very conclusive moment. he gave you that promise. i have to ask what your reaction is now that he voted to repeal the affordable care act today. >> going into the fit vote, to repeal and replace. i really thought and hoped he would not vote to repeal the aca based on that promise. and a lot of my friends and fellow constituents thought that that was very naive of me that he would vote the party line. but i honestly believed that i had talked to him and i honestly believed his promise, which may be naive. but i like to believe the best in people. >> if you don't mind me asking

what kind of health insurance you do have, and do you think that access to this coverage is going to be effected by this vote? >> fortunately right now i have medicaid because my health expenses and my disabilities have put us in a position where that needs to be the health insurance that i have. unfortunately, from what i've heard, although i haven't had a chance to read a lot of the new health care bill, there will be medicaid cuts, so i'm -- you know, still in a gray area i'll be cut off that and put back on a private insurance, i'm not sure. >> when we first heard about your story, we saw that video, it was shared on twitter by your local indy visible group in your district, that's how we found it. can i ask what y tnk is going to happen in terms of activism in terms of your home

district, if you have any sense local by what it's going to mean for your congressman and your community. >> i've been really inspired by all the activism that's been happening over the last few months. i really believe this vote will have a terrible impact on congressman faso if he chooses to run again. >> andrea mitchell joining us from up state new york. thank you so much for talking us through this. i know you never intended to be a national activist on tv talking about this stuff. thank you for trusting us to be here. >> thank you so much. >> good luck to you. >> congressman john faso is from new york. so both of them are blue state republicans, if you think about

it. and they both voted to kill the affordable care act despite the confrontations with their constituents, which we all saw of local activisms and the internet machine. i should tell you, though, that both john faso and tom serve in districts that did vote comfortably for donald trump even though they're in blue states. if you're doing the math here, there are 24 house republicans who voted today to kill the affordable care act, despite the fact that they represent districts where donald trump got less than 50% of the vote in the presidential election, 24 republican members of congress voted to kill the affordable care act and they're in districts that didn't vote 50% for trump. that number 24 is important, if democrats take 25 states they'll take down the house. we'll be right back. there's nothing more important to me than my vacation. so when i need to book a hotel room, i want someone that makes it easy to find what i want.

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this morning before house republicans voted to get rid of health care for millions of americans. nbc news got a chance to ask several of them if they were about to -- >> have you read the bill? >> have you read the health care bill? >> have you had time to read the health care bill? >> gentlemen, have you read the bill? >> we're in a hurry, we'll be back. >> congressman, have you read the health care bill? >> good morning, have you had a chance to read this bill? >> i just got back from baseball practice. >> so then they didn't want to talk about whether they read it.

they also did not want to wait to learn the cost of it, either. the initial version of this thing that they tried to pass and failed a few weeks ago. the nonpartisan congressional budget office said that first bill, that first effort to repeal obama care will result in 24 million americans to lose their health insurance, that version was yanked before it was voted on. polling showed it was radically unpopular by a 39 point margin. people disapproved of that bill. for reference sake at the worst of the polling, obama care was unpopular a 17 point margin. that first republican effort to kill obama care was just radically unpopular and it would throw 24 million people off their health insurance. when they went back to do it again, they made it worse. one thing people really like, like 87% of people like it, is that obama care made it so people with pre-existing

conditions could get insurance just like everybody else. 87% of people like the pre-existing conditions, protections in obama care, but the republican bill they passed today in the house kills that. it allows states to get waivers so insurance companies will now be able to start charging higher prices to people with pre-existing conditions. the senate for american progress estimates the increase in premiums for otherwise healthy 40-year-old with one of these conditions is a very daunting thing, depression, $8,490 per year extra from here on ut. rheumatoid arthritis, $26,508 per year extra because you've got arthritis. if you've got asthma, $4,340 extra, per year, every year. i won't go into the numbers if you have cancer, you can see those numbers here. do you have that money around extra on top of your health insurance cost already.

the republicans and the president literally held a victory celebration at the white house to declare this mission accomplished today, we saw the president speaking at the white house today with united colors of men squire behind me. oh, you guys, aside from the blow. it is weird they are celebrating this when it's done that it still has to go to the senate, right. let's say it does pass. let's say it does pass in this form in the senate, what would it do. i'm not an expert on this, but here is some of what i understand about this. ready. we're going to go through a few points on this, number one, as i state, states under the bill of republicans just passed. states can get waivers so insurance companies can charge more for people with pre-existing conditions. states can opt out of the rules that require insurance plans to cover basic stuff.

that means you can pay for insurance that doesn't cover hospitalization or emergency room care, or ride in an ambulance or you getting pregnant or any other number of things that the insurance companies don't want to cover. number three, along those same lines, expect things like mental health coverage and drug treatment coverage expect those things to wither. number four, insurance companies will be able to charge old people five times as much as they charge younger people for the same health insurance. number five, big companies no longer have to provide health insurance to their employees. number six, hospitals -- this sounds a little bit like -- i get to this point and all the health policy articles about this stuff, i'm not a hospital administrator i don't have to worry about it. it's very simple, do you live in an area where the hospitals are struggling or where there aren't that many hospitals left, obama care got tens of millions more

americans on to health insurance, people who had not been insured before, that was good for hospitals, right, it meant there were millions more patients who had insurance that could pay for their care. so that was really good for hospitals. as a trade off for that benefit to the hospitals, what obama care did is it reduced what the hospitals got paid by medicare. it was a trade off. you're getting millions more insured people we'll reduce what we pay you in terms of what people -- that was the deal under obama care. under the republican bill passed today, they're going to keep the cuts and what hospitals get paid by medicare, now there's no trade off. instead of having lots of new paying patients. they're getting tens of millions of people kicked off who will have no way to pay. so, think good thoughts about your local hospitals, particularly if they're struggling already, if we live in a rural area, local hospitals

are going to be in a world of hurt if this thing goes through. last point, number seven, if you don't make much money, brace yourself. this is really going to come at you like a kick in the teeth, so medicaid is the health insurance for tens of millions of americans on the lower end of the income spectrum and for people with disabilities. our guest we just had, she just explained to us her health insurance is medicaid. i know tons och people who are insured by medicaid. they ensure more than 70 million people. under this bill the republicans passed today, medicaid gets cut by almost $900 billion. that's close to a trillion dollars cut to medicaid. that will definitely result in many millions of americans who have medicaid right now, getting kicked off that insurance. and as a follow up punch for people who are on the lower end

in addition to the medicaid thing, if you're just above the poverty line, right now you and your family get subsidies to help you pay for insurance, that's part of obama care. under the bill the republicans just past those particular subsidies for thosparticular folks, they take the biggest cut. those subsidies get radically cut. so for -- so millions of americans who are in the lower income side, millions of americans on the lower income part of the spectrum will just load insurance and people who try to hold on to insurance will find themselves paying way more of their income for it. that's what the republicans passed today. now, there is one piece of shiny good news about what the republicans passed today, and that's that it will be a huge tax cut for the wealthiest people in the country. people making over $200,000 a year, people making over $200,000 a year, couples making

over a quarter million dollars a year, they'll get a $300 billion tax cut, so, obviously, all the rest of it's worth it, right. i do actually have a degree health policy, i think of myself as a layman, reading the best analyses i can find, i'm not an expert. jonathan gruber was an architect of the affordable act and he was architect of the massachusetts law before it was a model for the aca. jonathan is a professor of economics at mit, if anybody is an expert on these things, it's jonathan gruber at mit. he joins us next to fact check me and tell us what the practicalities are going to be for your family and me straight ahead. at lincoln, we're all about making things simpler for you. like, imagine hang yr vehie serviced... from the comrt ofour own home. introducing complimentary lincoln pickup

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today is one of those days when people who care about politics are well aware that something really big as happened. this was the first major legislation that was moved through the house in the trump era. if you care about politics and you care about the trump administration and you care about what this new administration is going to be like, you know that's a big deal and you probably watch cable news on the regular. but this is also one of those days when people who don't watch cable news on the regular and people who don't particularly care about politics or who don't particularly have a partisan interest and who is up and who is down, a lot of people care about what happened today, too, even if they don't usually follow washington. that's because health care hits all of us at home, all of us. we're lucky tonight to have with

us here tonight one of the truex -- true experts on this subject, professor jonathan gruber is an economics professor. he was an architect of the affordable act and massachusetts law, before that, that was model for the aca. thank you very much for joining us tonight. i appreciate your help going through some of these particular areas. >> my pleasure. >> let me ask your over all reaction to this passing today. i wonder, a little bit, if i am being too much of a dark cloud here, this actually can be seen as a good health care reform in some ways. >> it's hard because, you know, you went through your list and it sounded partisan, but it was all true. i mean, look, there is nothing i recommend in this law except for people earning more than $250,000 a year. it decreases insurance coverage dramatically. it raises premiums, it reduces the certainty we get from insurance by removing the

protections we may have from losing our insurance because we're sick or not getting covered. i don't know why they're doing it other than pure politics. >> let me ask you, actually, about what you just described as the only benefit here. there is this -- i'm surprise -- as far as i can tell, there's $300 billion tax cut for people who make over $250. why is that here? does that have any health care benefit or is that just free money for the richest people in the country? >> the idea was to have a bans lanced approach for -- about half of the financing came from spending cuts and half came from tax increase. the tax increase on the wealthy. it's part of a balance package to make sure the affordable care act was deficit neutral, actually deficit reducing. the republicans didn't like that

tax increase and, however, getting rid of its expenses and if they got rid of it as part of the larger tax reform which they want to move next, that will make it harder to move. by getting rid of this tax cut here, by using cuts in medicaid to pay for their tax cut -- getting rid of the tax cut in this round. i think, rachel, i'm not an expert, i think this is one pure redistributions for poor to rich in one bill we've ever seen. >> okay. that's hard to hear. well, let me ask you about this, you're talking about that huge cut to medicaid. obviously, when you're talking about health care, national health care expenditures, national health care line items, it's a lot of big numbers beuse health caris aig exnse and big portion of our economy. when i started looking through and trying to come up with that list of practical impact, it really seems to me, obviously if you're going after medicaid you're going after poor people, directly, by making it so you

can charge old people five times as much for the same insurance you would offer to young people, that's going right at older people. and then, obviously, there's this big benefit for rich people. i mean, is there anything else that's going on here other than hurting the old, the sick and the poor and benefitting the healthy and the well off? >> look, primarily, that's what the law accomplishes. you know, we've heard paul ryan he said he was dreaming over cutting medicaid in college, he admitted that in the republicans for years have not liked this program. i think it's important for your listeners to recognize that even if they don't know the kind of low income families that benefit from obama care, the republican alternative would go much beyond cutting the medicaid expansion of obama care, it would cut medicaid generally by 25%. not a lot of people realize is the vast majority of spending on medicaid is not on poor families, it's on the poor elderly and disabled, two-thirds of the money that medicaid

spends is on the poor elderly and disabled. this republican bill is not just about flawing back 24 million people's health insurance, it's restricting a program that's lifeline for elderly and disabled. >>fessionally, youake me feel better because you said i didn't screw up. personally you make me feel terrible in terms of whey see all the more clearly about this bill. thank you for your time tonight. >> you bet. >> thank you. >> much more ahead tonight. congressman adam shift is here live with us. stay with us. ♪

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we have joining us tonight congressman shift, thank you for being here, i know it's been a crazy day for you, today, sir. >> pleasure. >> i know you were a "no vote." on the vote to repeal affordable care act. no democrats voted for it at all. can i ask your reaction to the fact that it passed. >> deeply saddened because it means, of course, millions of people are going to lose health insurance and i'll tell you the stories that you just aired, rachel, with those people who are so deeply impacted by this reminded me of a different interaction i had with one of my constituents years ago after the passage of the affordable care act which cut in a very different reaction, i had someone come up, i was doing in the gallery. i had a little table set up. he asked me how i voted on the

affordable care act, i told them i could tell it was not the vote he wanted me to cast. he said what could i have possibly liked about the aca. i explained if you had a pre-existing condition you could get coverage if you had a kid who was under employed they could stay on your plan. i listed a number of things i liked about it. and i said i like the fact that tens of millions of people that can't get access to health care are going to get it. he said something after that which i have to say shocked me and i thought i had heard everything, he said you really think that's such a good thing? >> i said, well, don't you? >> he said, no, i don't. if they can't afford it, they shouldn't have it. and i knew that the second that he said it that he was speaking for a great many of my colleagues in congress who, at root, believe if you can't afford coverage, if you're -- if you have pediatric cancer and your parents can't afford it or if you're elderly and have

diabetes and you can't afford it. that's your problem. and at the heart of this is a conclusion that among a majority of my colleagues sadly today, they would rather give a big tax cut to people who are already doing well than try to help people get access to health care. and that made it a very sad day, all the sadder to see people celebrating it. >> i wonder, hearing you say that, the senate obviously is going to take a crack at this next. we don't know exactly what they're going to do. there was word from the republicans in the senate today that they, unlike the house plan to wait for the score, the cbo score before they take a vote in the senate, which means by the time they're voting on it, they'll know at least the estimates of how many millions of people will lose their health insurance because of it, how many people, you know, the proportion of poor people versus old people versus already sick people versus disabled people who will be hurt by this. i wonder if given that perspective, if you actually think the republicandon't mind this for the political argument,

the news that millions of people will lose insurance. they see that as a plus, not a minus. >> you know, i think this is something they're not ever going to say publicly. that consistent said it to me privately. and that constituent probably wouldn't say that in a town hall. too many of my house colleagues feel that way. in particular they've been out saying that they had this great alternative, the affordable care act for the last seven years. and of course they had nothing at all to show for it. no plan whatsoever. it was just a campaign slogan. so i think they felt compelled to vote for this. but i also think they recognize this will very well come back to haunt them. and those images of the celebration on the white house lawn when it becomes clear that millions and millions of people are going to lose their health care if this bill ever became law, those images, they're likely to see them again around election time. and i don't think they'll be celebrating then.

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thank you once again for staying with us. >> you bet. >> a closed door hearing today with fbi director james comey and nsa michael rogers. i know you can't talk about anything classified that was set in a closed session. but can you tell us anything about how today went and overall about whether your investigation is making progress? >> i think today it went very well. and we are making progress. mike conaway and i have worked together in the last several weeks that we've been tasked with doing this jointly in a very nonpartisan, very matter of fact way. we're back to scheduling our witnesses. we're back to getting our hearing on track. we're back to getting new documents from the intelligence community. so i think things are moving in a very positive direction. i think the hearing went well today. frankly, i think it probably went better than if we covered the same issue that they had in the hearing yesterday because i had such strong disagreement with the views that director

comey expressed yesterday in the open hearing. i don't think the choice at all was between speaking and concealing. and i think the use of that term "conceal" was such a loaded term and quite deliberately so that it really undermined the argument that he was making. i think the choice really was between adhering to department of justice policy and not talking about a pending investigation in the run-up to an election, or not adhering to doj policy. so if our hearing had been on that topic, it probably would not have gone so smoothly. but as it s, i tnk it we very well. >> you know, one of the things, obviously you're talking there about director comey and his decision to talk about the fbi investigation into hillary clinton's e-mails before the election, even though he didn't talk about the fbi investigation into the trump campaign in russia until after the election. one of the things i've been thinking about with director comey in his remarks about the trump investigation is that because it's a counter intelligence investigation, it's

likely that we may never hear from him again on that subject. it's possible that we'll never hear from him again on that subject. can i just ask you, as a matter of law and procedure here, if there were indictments, or criminal complaints filed against anybody in relation to that investigation, if that's where the fbi went with the trump russia investigation, would we the public definitely know about that? or is it possible that something like that might happen without any public notification? >> well, if this resulted in criminal charges, then the public would know about it. it may not come from director comey. that may be announced by in this case the deputy attorney general that now has been charged in jeff sessions in the wake of his recusal with overseeing the russia investigation. so you might have the deputy ag announce the charges have been filed. you might have director comey standing next to him. but generally, the fbi wouldn't be the one to be discussing that necessarily. but here, of course, all bets are somewhat off because plainly the department did talk about

the clinton investigation. whether the director will follow that model or the traditional model of deferring to the department, i have to think it's more likely to do the latter. if the investigation didn't result in charges, then you might not hear director comey testifying in the open subsequently about it. that, again, would be if he did a departure from usual practice. so under those circumstances, you might not hear from him again. >> do we have a date yet for the open hearing that would involve sally yates, among others? >> we're in consultation with the council for sally yates. directors clapper and brennan were trying to see if we can get that on calendar in the couple weeks following this recess. >> okay. >> and i'm confident that we will. and, you know, i really am pleased to say that our investigation is back on track. and it's very important that it is. because frankly we have very limited resources, and so does the senate. if either one of these investigations were to get derailed, it would mean only half of the eyes on task. >> adam schiff, ranking member,

top democrat in the house intelligence committee, sir, thank you for your time tonight. i really appreciate you being here. >> you bet. thanks, rachel. >> that does it for us tonight. big day in the news today. no time to stop paying attention. game on. >> good evening, rachel. it's all about the tax cuts that the republicans so, many of them were voting, especially the moderates were voting for a tax cut bill in which the health care stuff was just collateral damage. >> a tax cut bill that only goes to people making over $200,000 a year. people who did pretty well despite that tax being on them to pay for obamacare. >> but what they -- what paul ryan realized and what trump eventually was convinced of is you cannot move on to their bigger tax cut unless you've done these obamacare tax cuts first and cut all that spending in obamacare that you can then apply to pay for your bigger tax cut. >> wow. and people on medicaid -- the elderly, disabled and poor will pay for it.