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monday at 9:00 a.m., but right now i'm handing you to andrea mitchell. >> right now on andrea mitchell reports, a victory lap? the bill celebrating a house passage to replace obama care. how am i doing, okay? i'm president, can you believe it, right? how close are they to making it law. >> the senate will review the house bill and we will go to work on a senate bill. >> the fine print, so what is in the bill? >> congressman, have you read the bill, are you concerned about voting on it? >> have you read the health care bill. >> have you had time to read the health care bill. >> have you read this bill. >> we're in a hurry, we'll be back. congressman, have you read the
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health care bill? >> well, we did, we have the answers coming up. and what did he say? president trump raising eyebrows with this comment last night praising australia's single payer health care system. >>e have a failing health care, i should not say this to our great gentleman and friend from australia because you have better health care than we do. >> they have universal health care. >> wait, chris, the president just said it, that's great, let's take a look at the australian health care system and let's move. >> happy, friday everyone. president trump kicking off a long weekend at his golf club and residents in new jersey one day after spiking the football on health care about 20 yards short of the goal line.
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>> your premiums are going to start coming down. we will get this passed through the senate. i feel so confident. your deductibles, they were so ridiculous that nobody got to use their current plan. this nonexistent plan that i heard so many wonderful things about that. the insurance companies are fleeing. it has been a catastrophe and this is a great plan. >> now a reality check on what is in the bill and the political obstacles ahead. joining me now is christian welker. and nbc medical correspondent dr. john torres. welcome. first of all, the first time i have ever seen a white house signing ceremony, if you will, that had all of the look and feel of a victory celebration
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for a final passage of a bill that really only got through the house. >> that's right it is really only the first quarter. there is a lot more of the game that the white house and republicans have to fight and it goes to the senate now and it is facing a uphill battle? the senate. they are saying effectively they want to overall what passed in the house and they don't feel like they need to get it done by a particular deadline. they will not rush the process. the president can only afford to lose two republican senators to get this through the senate. white house officials saying the president will be engaged in this process. the question is, andrea, will we see him on the bully pulpit. will he campaign like barack obama did in 2008. but we did see him take a big hand to get it through the house, but a lot of on tackles
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and questions about where the bill will go. >> and lamar alexander asked about what the prospects are in the senate. let's take a look. >> in almost every case, if you get insurance on the job, you have insurance for pre-existing condition. under the affordable care act in 2010, there had to be insurance for pre-existing conditions. we want to make sure those americans continue to have access if they have a pre-existing condition. >> that means a big change, kelly o'donnell, that would require really overhauling the house bill, and they said they're going to write their own bill. >> senators certainly like to have their own crack at an issue as big and complex as health care, and while even republicans appreciate that the house
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conference found their way to a yes, but senators view this differently. they have a state-wide constituency. and in many ways the bills they celebrated in the rose garden is just a shell when it comes to the senate. using that has a basis for the senate to work tough it's own committees with it's o ideas and senators wanting their own amounts. there was so much to discuss on the house amendments that were identified. now on the senate side, they want their own impresent on this. when the number two in leadership for senate republicans says there is no deadline, that should be a real sign to the white house not to expect this to be done before the temperatures in dc get above 80. this could take months and not a quick resolution even before the summer recess.
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it will take some time and i know the white house is eager to move on to things like tax reform. the senate has their own pace and they will begin work on this with other things they have to do. as we have seen, it is politically challenging for members who are concerned about how it would act their subsequents in a real-world way. so the moderate republicans have a lot to say about this. it will be a very big faze two, the phrase that president trump used on twitter, a long, difficult afraid. >> and it they were asking the house members have you read the bill? one house member said that's why i have staff. that was an interview on stephanie or morning joe yesterday. andany of the staff members have not been able to read the bill. mike, they don't yet know from
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the congressional budget off the what the real impact is, they will make a lot of shifts, they have 51 votes, they have 52 republican senators, and there are at least two, the two senators that are already very i havy. >> you know the way i do, washington is marked by resentment and accramony. this is as old as the building i'm standing in, house members look at the senate and they wonder what is going on over there, mostly because it takes so long for them to do anything and it is such a high priority for them to make good on a long-held campaign promise. they have been campaigning since 2010 when they won back the house of representatives. i just caution one thing, he is largely saying the same thing
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that the republican leaders here in the house said and that is that people who have access to preexiting conditions, but once you dig into the details you discover that access may be there but it is a question of affordability and if those with pre-existing conditions will be able to afford the premiums if this was to become law. it is instructive to keep i mind that obama care is still the law of theland, and just to echo what christian and kelly said, it will take weeks or months to get this on the senate floor. the one thing we can count on is mitch mcconnell protecting his members. he will not bring the debate to the floor if he doesn't feel it can be won. that is unlikely to survive in the senate. a lot of concerns over there,
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defunding, however temporary of planneds parenthood, the age tax, higher premiums for those between 60 and 64 all of those provisions are causing consternation between democrats and republicans in the house. this will be a long and detailed process. then, if it does pass the senate, a little schoolhouse rook for you, the senate has to hammer out something and it is a it has to be identity for it to become law. dr. john torres. some of the winners and losers, if you will. we have opposition from patient groups, hobble groups, let's talk about the impact. >> and the opposition is essentially a who is who of all
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of the big players. you are talking ama, american heart association. for the most part they agree on the winners and losers. the insurance companie ty are able to separate the ones that are healthy from the ones who are not. the healthy and the young people will be able to have less expensive insurance and that will help them as well. we're talking older americans because they might be charged more, the poor and disabled as well. the presibting conditions, according to aarp, the centers for medicaid and medicare, what i tell people all of the time, we're one illness, one accident away from having a pre-existing
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season that cuts in the bucket of having one group that might be accessible but not affordable for the health care insurance that we can have. >> and not surprisingly we saw a twitter storm back and forth. protections, addiction services, all gone. hillary clinton tweeting "a shameful failure by the gop today. fight back on behalf of the millions of families that will be hurt by their actions." bernie sandiers you saw with chris hayes, and the president said "big win in the house, very exciting, when everything comes together we'll have truly great health care." the excitement in the white house, they're desire to exile e ize -- capitalize on all of this, it is a win in theense
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that 48 hours earlier we didn't think it could happen, and they pressured fred up ton, came up with an amendment. they worked on that compromise, and i guess paul ryan breathing a big sigh of relief. >> the first time they took a crack at this, they failed. it was an embarrassing defeat. the president himself at the time acknowledging there was intricate rules that he was not familiar with when e relatihe c the house. and what was different this time around, analysts will say is that the president really dug into the question of the politics of this. how to get that compromise amendment of the very foreigny issue of prekpiexisting conditi, but that he got more engaged in
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the aspect of the fight, and it was coming off of the heels of tough news days. he took that big victory lap yesterday when he was flanked by republicans. it could galvaze em. they are putting out adds, this is something that they are hoping to make house republicans pay for in the midterm elections, something they're hoping will energize the democratic base. >> take a look at some of those, there is a selfie, it is remarkable in that it is so dominated, a lack of diversity, mail, white, and this is a bill that affects the health care of
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disproportionately of white and people of color women's health care services. there are protests last night as the president was in new york for the joint event with the australians. obviously new york is not a bedrock red area, but there have been a lot of protests around the country as this is beginning to seep in. >> certainly the white house has been accustomed to protes, and we have seen that for sure. the presidt will make a direct appeal to the senate to tax action on health care nap is still on his mind trying to sell it there. his home is in a plush part of
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new jersey with affluence. on a two-lane road. not a protest friendly location in terms of how local police and authorities would deal with safety and those who want to demonstrate and those who live in the community. this is the first time since he became president that he is staying at this home. i was there in new jersey during the transition when he was a base of operations and he was getting cabinet picks and so forth. the president tweeted about not staying in new york city because he didn't want the disruption or the cost. he tweeted that when he is at 5th avenue, the road has to shut down. everywhere he goes there is an
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element of security. but he is trying to make it seem like being in new jersey is a tax savings to the taxpayer when he got a lot of criticism about the overall frequency of his travel on his weekend time being a cost to the taxpayers. >> they did add to the resolution because of the extra costs that the trips to mar-a-lago and the trump family trips overseas as well. let's see ago picture from yesterday. that other picture was from election night i think. i want to wrap this up with you, ask about the immediate impacts as snuffers, and they're facing a lot of krit system, we hear what happened in iowa, there is reason to question obama care and how the insurance companies
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are not making it work for the average consumer. >> yeah, when obama care first came out, it had some rough stops in it. the rough intoes were evened out, and to go back to square one again and get a plan or program that has the rough spots again, we're talking years down the road. one problem is they have some funding, they were getting medicaid patients, it may be taken away. and insurance companies love stability and they're not getting it and that's why a lot of them are pulling out right now. >> thank you, kelly get out of the rain.
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district right now if they have a pre-existing condition, they will be covered. >> yes, because i guarantee my state would take care of people like that. >> insisting his state will benefit from the new plan. joining me now is the governor of oregon, cakate brown. thank you for being here with us. he is very condence that he will be protecting people because of the legislature. >> the expansion of the affordable care act has provided coverage for 350,000 oregon residents. it as created jobs and been a cost saver. it is very cost effective. >> and if it is cost effective, what is the impact from what you
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know if it were to get through the senate which we acknowledge is a tall order, how would j constituents be affected? >> i'm concerned they would lose health care, and i'm concerned it would blow a $2 billion hole in our budget. one of the families that i met, the doctor was providing care to this woman in an emergency room situation. she was able to get the primary preventive care she needed. now she is able to get a job. that's the kind of stabilizing influence that the aca has been for oregon redents for families across the state. >> what is the impact around the
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country. the impact of eliminating medicaid expansion. >> for us it means blowing huge holes in our budgets. for oregon, it is a 2.6 billion hole that we will struggle to fill. it means that we have to cut people off of the oregon health plan or reduce benefits. we're in a place right now where 95% of adults have access to coverage. 98% of children. i don't want to go backwards, i want to make sure that every oregon resident has health care. >> what do you say to places like iowa that are having such a struggle with failure from the insurance companies, and the states where obama care is really failing. >> i think there are a couple pieces, by cutting people off of medicaid, folks will show up at
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hospital emergency rooms and who will pay their coverage? who will pay the cost of their health care? that will have to be paid for by taxpayers. we know from our experience that we have reduced avoidable emergency room visits by 50%. that is extraordinary. there is certainly pieces that question do to fix t exchange. that means providing more subsidied when care is more affordable, not less affordable. >> the president and leaders o of the house, not the senate so far. but the leaders on the house side, they're saying no one will be kicked off with a pre-exi
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pre-existing condition. . what should they think? >> i don't buy it and no one should buy it. it will make struggling family's lives more difficult. i think we need to go in the opposite direction and make sure more families have affordable care, the kind of comprehensive patient centered care that we're providing in oregon. governor kate brown, thank you for being with us today. >> coming up, the former health and human services academy member giving us his been on the bill. you were made to move. to progress. to not just accept what you see, but imagine something new. at invisalign®, we use the most advanced teeth straightening technology to help you find the next amazing version of yourself.
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♪ nhey hey hey, goodbye ♪ >> that adult behavior is a replay of what the republicans did back in 1993 when the pennsylvania congresswoman was the deciding vote passing bill clinton's economic package, and paid a price, and lost in the midterms. don't you miss the congress now that you're not in washington. we would love to have your diagnosis of this how passed bill. >> it is important to acknowledge this is not a vot between whether or not people have health insurance or not or if we want them to. we want people to have
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insurance. the question is what will the role of government be in providing it. there are two competing visioning here and we just saw one step as has been, you made the point today, it is just rounding first base. they have a long ways to go, but if you don't get to first you're not going to make it home. this is what steve scalise said when willy asked him who gets coverage and who doesn't? >> so everyone with a pre-existing condition, that is covered right now, under obama care, will still be cover snd. >> a >> absolutely. >> and their rates remain affordable? >> it will remain affordable.
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not everyone with a pre-existing condition will remain covered. there is a lot of other factors. >> this is politics playing out. both sides are defining at the most extreme point, trying to define what this means. states do have an opportunity to define under this law, but we're not going to the senate, and we're not going to put our own stand on this. it will be a different bill and it will go back to the house and they will have to decide what ultimately survived that process is better than what we have now. i think we will see a bill. i think we will see changes. and some refinements i think will improve the law. this is a process to produce a
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uniquely american health care system. >> some people asked what is the rush, and the answer from the democratic side from the critics is "this was a rush to produce a bill that would create space for the tax cut that the president and the congress, the republicans in congress, have promised." >> i think that is part of it. this is not being done in isolation. the president said he wants to build infrastructure. he said he wants to rebuild the military. all of those things take money and there will be a resistance to seeing substantially greater debt. however. there are a lot of americans that feel the same way. i was the governor for many years when i began my time as governor. health care for those with economic need, was about 6% of
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the budget. when i leftat it was about 20%. this is a limit problem and one that americans i think want congress to wrestle with. we only have so many tax dollars, what will be our greatest priority. >> indeed. thank you. great to talk to someone with a balanced down the middle view on all of this. >> thank you. >> coming up, pardon my french. the bruising presidential race, we'll go live to paris, richard engel next here on andrea mitchell reports.
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spoken to, about russian interference and the way they did in the rush than election as well. >> there is a lot of echos to what we saw in the united states. you have allegations made by numerous communities saying that russia is trying to tip the deals in favor of marie le pen. they have been fake news stories. allegations about macron's personal life, and his character. right now he is leading in the polls, but we just spoke to a top official in the pen kamp that thinks they will have a trump like come back. but so go back to what you're saying.
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this is enormously polarized society. on one side, it is macron that wants to stay in the eu. not dramatically changed french society, and marine le pen who wants a weaker euro. she is close to vladimir putin, and many voters are afraid of her authoritarian ten den tendencies. the terrible suffering and ang gity of what happens to people in france, and on the eve of the election in the first round, another terror incident in
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paris. >> i was here for the first round. l gn it is a winner take all, the winner ultimately becomes a terrorist attack. it t is not far from where i am and it sent a chilling chilling effect. but the larger environment of fear, you mentioned the baticlan attack. and the attack in nice, that all has an impact on french voters and marine le pen is trying to capitalize that. she says hhave resto order to the country. and you mentioned there are ties
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to the trump campaign, and absolutely there are, i was just talking to one of marine le pen's top aids, and get where he was? he informs trump tower. now he is hoping that what he saw that night in trump tower will take place here in paris, so the le pen campaign is looking at the play book that donald trump used in rhetoric and some of their campaign tactics. >> thank you, richard, we will be watching all of your reports tonight and on nightly news and sunday afternoon our time. >> yes, sunday afternoon your time we should know. >> thank you, richard. >> we have breaking news out of somali. a u.s. special operations member has been killed in a fire fight overnight. >> we know it happened
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overnight. their target was a al-qaeda affiliate leader. one of the reasons it's of concern, is that they are in close contact with the arabian peninsula. what we know about the attack, they were inserted potentially by helicopters. this was a joint u.s. potential forces. they encountered fire in the initial fazes of the operation. they returned fire, they suppressed fire, they went on with their objective and they had to evacuate officials, one was an interpreter. and one died from his wounds. just to give you a ens sense of how important the fight is there, i was just there with secretary mattis.
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award to mr. obama. they spoke publicly together in a today now exclusive this morning. >> the award is about encouraging people to both require it in our public publi officials and look for ways that we can be more courageous in our own lives. so all of us. what's right is something we need a lot more of. >> joining me now is white house reporter carol lee. and msnbc contributor. welcome both. we're going to hear from president obama and the setting could not be more important in the democratic stratosphere. there's going to be a huge crowd and jack slasberg has been
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handling this and seen as the heir apparent to the legacy of jfk. >> that's right. and as you know, president obama has a very warm relationship with caroline kennedy. she endorsed him in the 2008 campaign. she served as his ambassador to japan. so there is a a relationship there. and the reason the president was given this award was because they said he put policy before politics, which you may remember is something that president obama constantly said was the reason his message wasn't getting through in terms of health care or other policies. the two policies, health care and climate change bill, the paris accord. one of those is being undone in congress, and the paris climate change agreement is under discussion whether or not this trump administration will remain in it. so i think you can expect the president to hit -- president obama to hit these themes and policy ideas.
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but what everyone is going to be looking for is any message or criticism of president trump. >> i just want to point out also the history of this award to both of you is nonpartisan. i know from personal experience gerald ford received this award a number of years ago. he received it, interestingly from caroline kennedy for his decision to pardon richard nixon, a decision that he knew athe time would likely cost him re-election. or eleion cause he hadn't been elected the first time. he told me not long after that, just privately, that award was the most important he had ever received because it came from caroline kennedy and it indicated an understanding of what that had cost him politically and personally. but that it was the right thing to do. nick, we've missed those days when people reach across party lines and celebrated profiles in courage. >> yes. it's a different time and
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different washington right now. i'm sure a lot of conservatives or republicans would think it strange to give an award to president obama, and democrats would think it's a great idea he deserves it. to me i'm fascinated to watch that we're seeing the beginnings of the emergence of barack obama's post presidential persona and priorities. we're seeing the beginnings of his library. he's making more public speeches. we're going to see what it looks like. he's among the most popular ex-presidents in history. he's coming out of office sort of unblemished and relatively popular in these partisan times, and he has a lot of power if he wants to use it. and it will be fascinating to see how directly does he engage on policy issues or about president trump or on his own legacy? >> and recently, he is edging into it. there was criticism, is criticism of the large speaking fees that the obamas are taking. but obvioi want tplay a little
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of jack playing whether he has any future in politics. >> i'm inspired by my family's legacy of public service. it's something that i'm very proud of. but i'm still trying to make my own way, figure things out. so stay tuned. i don't know what i'm going to do. >> my favorite speech is the one he gave explaining to why america why we should go to the moon. in that speech, he said great challenges are great opportunities. so i think that's an important thing to remember today, when it seems like things couldn't be worse, we're going inherit a world that has a lot of unsolved problems, it's important to remember that we can rise to the occasion if we choose good leadership. >> 23 years old, a graduate of yale and going to harvard law
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school. there's a report that the white house drug office might be shut down. have you been able to confirm that, either of you? >> no, i have not. >> i seen the report, andrea. it is fascinating, if you think that he campaigned in part on the crisis and epidemic of opoid abuse and overdoses. particularly in trump's america, working cla whites, so you worry aboutdismantling the office that was supposed to be in charge of the response to that. so one hopes there will be a replacement to fulfill the campaign promise. it's not clear how dismantling this office would help that. >> the health care proposal takes money away from mental health and drug abuse. carol and nick, great to see you. have a wonderful weekend. this sunday, msnbc will have special coverage of the profile
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sunday. craig melvin is up next right here on msnbc. >> hey there, looking forward to sunday morning. good afternoon to you. craig melvin here. msnbc headquarters in new york. health care hurdles. the health care legislation passes out of the house, but will it survive the senate? the uphill bat it will the upper chamber. and at the state level, as well. jobs, jobs, jobs. u.s. job growth rebounding in april as unemployment hit a ten-year low. will the good news last, and who should get the credit? and president trump hunkered down at his property for the weekend. but is the new jersey town ready for the cost, the crowds, and the spotlight that come with a visiting president? we'll start with that victory on the health care bill once again. a republican victory, but is it going to be republican victory in the long-term? battle, war.
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