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election. the question now, is russia behind it? >> shame on you! shame on you! >> that reaction at a town hall hosted by republican congressman tom reed of new york this morning. it's one of the first public exchanges between lawmakers and their constituents since thursday's health care vote. take a listen to another one of congressman's reed's constituents. >> if i lose my insurance, we stood up and said to the pledge to the flag of the united states of america. why should it matter what state i live in? >> but president trump isn't finished with his victory lap, ramping up pressure on the senate to pass the house's bill. here's part of his weekly address this morning. >> it will be great health care, and your premiums will come down and your deductibles will come down.

so you'll have better health care at a lower cost. and now i'm calling on the senate to take action. >> also new today, politico is reporting on the potential for georgia's special election to end up being the most expensive house race in history. nearly $30 million in ad time has already been spent or reserved by outside groups and the candidates. democrat jon ossoff and republican karen handel and the election isn't until june 20th. the news out of georgia comes as the white house throws its weight in montana's special congressional election later this month to replace secretary of interior ryan zinke. vice president mike pence will be campaigning there next friday for the state's only seat in the u.s. house of representatives. let's go to new jersey, not part from the president's bedminster estate. kelly o'donnell. >> reporter: the president does have one phone call with the

president of peru on his public schedule today, but other than that we have not seen the president or heard any updates about what he's been doing while spending some time at his bedminster home. it is a sprawling estate. a golf resort, of course. that is where he likes to spend his weekends during the summer months, and we're beginning that transition for the trumps now. no comment from the white house about new developments that deal with the russia investigation and some new reporting that talks about warnings put inside the trump transition, concerns they had about at that time advisor michael flynn and contacts he had with the russian ambassad ambassador. that is all a part of what will be unfolding in congressional hearings in the weeks ahead, and the president also has to fill another position after a sudden withdrawal from one of his nominees. questions about russia swirling around the trump administration again this morning. "the washington post" reports former national security advisor

michael flynn was warned about the risks of his contacts with the russian ambassador to the u.s. weeks before the december phone call that led to flynn's resignation. a former obama administration official confirms to nbc news trump advisers asked to see a cia profile on sergey kislyak amid concern that flynn did not have a full understanding of the russian ambassador. this as nbc news has learned that former trump foreign policy advisor, carter page, has been asked by the senate intelligence committee to turn over any proof of any contacts with the russians. the senate panel looking into russn interference in the u.s. election and whether any trump associates helped the russians leak damaging information about hillary clinton. meantime, forced out by controversy. >> it is tough to run for office. >> mark green, president trump's nominee for army secretary, withdrew under pressure friday, accused of bias by the lgbtq

community for comments like this. >> now, if you poll the psychiatrists, they're going to tell you that transgender is a disease. >> reporter: the human rights campaign that made this video organized to block green, a tennessee state senator. green is a west point graduate and doctor, who treated iraqi dictator saddam hussein. in a statement green said tragically my life of public service and my christian beliefs have been mischaracterized and attacked for political gain. and mark green called the comments made about him and the sort of organized effort to pressure senators not to confirm him false attacks. he had been recommended by republican members of congress for the position. the president also has to fill this a second time. his first choice to be the army secretary also withdrew over issues of having to untangle financial wealth in order to meet government standards. so for the president, this is a

position that has been harder to fill than you might expect, and important because we've seen that the president frequently talks about his commitments to the military, beefing up the military. of course this position would work closely with the department of defense. >> kelly o'donnell, thank you, kelly. let's talk more about health care for a moment. joining me is maryland senator and democrat, ben cardin. >> it's good to be with you. >> the house of course passed the american health care act. now the ball is in your court. what do senators want? what kind of changes are we likely to see? >> first of all, we're not going to support a proposal that would cost tens of millions of people their health coverage. secondly we are very concerned about pre-existing conditions as the way the bill passed the house of representatives. the process used in the house where it was not open, we didn't have the cbo, the congressional budget office score at the time that the house voted on it. so i'm hoping that we have a very transparent process.

we looked for bipartisan support to irove health care in this country and not to take away benefits that are critically important for people in america. >> i'm glad you mentioned bipartisan support. take me behind the scenes. how much input will republican senators get from democrats and what goes on into your version? >> well, the ball is really in the republicans' court. we're open to working with the republicans. we don't know how the leadership is going to approach this bill. if they try to jam it through what's known as reconciliation where they try to do it with the bare -- simple majority, it's going to lead to a lot of controversy. i don't know if they can even do that. but if they reach out for a broader consensus, as we did on the fy-17 budget that just passed this week, then i think there's democrats and republicans that recognize there's ways that we can improve health care, bring more competition, look to improve benefits. those are things that we want to do together. but if it's an effort just to pass a tax cut for the wealthy

and to take away the protections for pre-existing conditions or to put the states in a tough position on the medicaid budget, if that's their objective, we're not going to be part of it. >> there's another layer to this that we can't ignore. some analysts predict this will hurt republicans in the next two election cycles. are democrats planning any initiatives to capitalize on this? >> we want to make sure people have quality insurance, affordable insurance that is maintained. we don't want to push these burdens onto the states. the medicaid population is very vulnerable. so i think our objective is to make sure that the gains that we've made are kept and we try to improve upon it. the politics will play out. >> with that said, we hear this could take months to complete in the senate. what's your guess? >> it really depends on how the republican leadership proceeds. i don't think it's going to happen quickly. i think it's going to take a lot more time. i hope it takes more time, because this is an area where the public needs to understand what we're doing. we need to understand what we're

doing. so we need to get the facts and try to work in a much more open, transparent way. so it should take some time. >> let me shift gears. reuters is reporting the trump administration is pushing to finalize the sale of military hardware to saudi arabia, deals blocked by president obama. you're on the foreign relations committee. you med with saudi officials this week. what can you tell us about these deals? >> i thought we had a pretty instructive meeting with the foreign minister from saudi arabia this week, the senate forerelations committee. saudi arabia is one of our strategic partners in the middle ea. they have a very difficult time with what's happening in yemen. there's outside influence in yemen, particularly from iran. so we want to help the saudis, but we want to make sure that they conduct their military operations in a way that minimizes the risk to civilian populations and maximizes an opportunity for a diplomatic end to the violence in yemen. i think the united states can play a very critical role in

bringing that about, working with the saudis and using our influence to try to get all the parties to the peace talks. >> the president, of course, will visit saudi arabia, israel, the vatican later this month and the saudis are hoping trump can help destroy isis, push back on iran. i want to listen to what the president says and then get your take. >> sure. >> we'll begin with a truly historic gathering in saudi arabia with leaders from all across the muslim world. saudi arabia is the custodian of the two holiest sites in islam. and it is there that we will begin to construct a new foundation of cooperation and support with our muslim allies to combat extremism, terrorism and violence, and to embrace a more just and hopeful future for young muslims in their countries.

>> senator, can he reset his image in the muslim world or the fight against isis considering all he said during the campaign and his recent travel restrictions on muslim majority nations? will this be effective? >> well, the president has some work to do, there's no question about it. his comments and his actions on immigration and refugees is certainly very problematic in the muslim world. i've talked to a lot of leaders from muslim countries, and i know that damage has been done. but i think it's the right thing to reach out. when he's in saudi arabia, it's an opportunity to meet with the moderate arab leaders who we have strategic partnerships with and we have a common agenda to fight the extremists in that region, so it's an opportunity. i'm glad to see the president is reaching out. but he certainly has made it more difficult because of his policiesn our refugees and immigratn. >> i have to leave it there. we squeezed in a lot ofics there. senator ben cardin, thank you for your time on this saturday. >> thank you. election hacking this time

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built for business. i want to give you a live look at what's happening now in st. paul, minnesota. dozens of pro-trump supporters have gathered on the steps of the capitol. you can see a small number of counterprotests are also there. we'll keep an eye on what's happen and if anything breaks, we'll brick that to you. let's continue talking about health care. the bill faces an uncertain future in the senate but no matter how things play out legislatively, the house republicans' vote is in the books. let's talk about it. florida democratic congressman charlie crist is the state's former governor and joins me now. good morning to you. >> good afternoon, sheinelle.

>> you have a unique perspective having been a member of both parties. there was a big celebration as you know at the white house on thursday. >> i saw that. >> how do you think congressional republican members are going to feel when that cbo score on the bill comes out next week? >> i don't think good. i think the american people are going to feel even worse. this is a terrible bill. i mean let's be honest. you have a bill where 24 million americans are going to lose their coverage because of pre-existing conditions, maybe it will be even more once we get the congressional budget office, as you referred to the cbo, and they have their numbers that come out to us. you know, when you have 80 -- what is it, $85 billion taken out, you know, almost a -- $850 billion, excuse me, taken out of medicaid. that relates to poor people, disabled people, that's a catastrophe. that's just unbelievable and unconscionable that anybody would support such a thing. when those actual numbers come out, and they may grow.

probably they will. i think those members are going to feel horrible and the american people are going to feel even worse about it. no wonder there's a reaction you're getting from town halls around the country. you know, there will be demonstrations, i am sure. that's why it's important to get this message out about how bad this bill is. fortunately, i listened to your interview with the senator earlier. the senate is getting it. i think they understand how horrific this thing is, how damaging it is, how merciless it is to the american people. that's why i'm optimistic and i think that our friends in the u.s. senate, both republican and democrat, are going to take a hard look at this thing. they're going to try to do what's right. even republicans like john mccain, lindsey graham, lamar alexander, they have already gone on record saying we've got to take this slow, we've got to be smart about how we look at this. health care is incredibly important. the american peopl desve the very best. we're the richest country in the world.

frankly, we're the richest country in the history of the world and we need to provide people who need health care a very good product and that's what has to be at the end of the day. >> you talk about being optimistic. if this ends in a best case scenario for congressional democrats and president trump doesn't sign obamacare repeal into law, will there be a push to work on legislation that will help americans handle the massive premium increases we're seeing in states across the country? >> of course there will. that's our job. we work for the american people. they're my boss. they pay me. i'm grateful to them. and they pay all my colleagues. and so this is democracy. and democracy means that the will of the people shall be heard. our greatest job is to listen. got gave us two ears and one mouth as my physician father always told me and my three sisters and it's good to respect his ratio and listen twice as much as you talk. the american people deserve this, need this, want this and

they shall have this. with national defense, protecting our environment, good education and good health care, that's what i'm committed to. that's why i ran. i've held several offices in my past, governor, attorney general of florida. the reason i do it is because i love to serve. all of us have a role in this thing called democracy in this beautiful nation called america. it's a privilege and an honor t be abl to serve the people of my hometown of st. petersburg. >> i want too look at this report. the cook political report shifted, i don't know if you saw this, 20 house races toward the democrats after the vote and three of those 20 went from leaning republican and are now toss-ups. but how does your party keep up this momentum really for the next 18 months? >> oh, my dpaugosh. well, people are energized. the first evidence i got that people are energized about politics again, about government, about good public service, was the day after the inauguration. i went to the inauguration out of respect. i work for her, i did not vote

for him. but he is the president of the united states and so out of respect i went. the next day i flew home to st. petersburg from washington. and was attending the women's march here locally. they expected a thousand people. when i got there, there were 25,000 people in my hometown of st. petersburg, florida. there had never been that many in a march or demonstration in the history of st. petersburg. not for civil rights, not for women's suffrage, not for the end of world war ii, nothing compared to that. it sent a loud message to me and i think the country because it happened in washington and all over america. we're upset, we're concerned. some of us are frightened, many are. immigrants in particular, perhaps. and i think that it's been a great wake-up call for democracy in america. that's why i'm so optimistic. i don't know what the numbers are are the 20 seats or whatever, but that vote this week in the house, it's a game-changer i'm sure. but we have to keep our eye on the ball. and the ball is the people and

making sure they get what they deserve from this government. that we work together, that we are bipartisan, that we're all americans first. i mean it's great to have political parties, but at the end of the day, you know, we're all citizens of this great country we call the united states of america and it should be united. and it's been too divided for too long. i think that a better day is coming. i'm certain of it. >> i'll end it on that positive note. congressman charlie crist, thank you for your time on this saturday. >> thank you, einell chaos in frae hours mr. its presidential election. why the media in france can't report what's happening. ♪ (music plays throughout) ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪

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prevent macracron from respondi. one major newspaper says it won't publish the stolen material. matt bradley joins us from paris with more. matt, let's start with this. first of all, is this ban realistic? and how can officials really keep the hack from influencing voters, particularly with the prevalence of social media? >> reporter: thanks, sheinelle. it's not necessarily a realistic ban in the way that it's actually written. of course you could actually be charged with a crime here in france for speaking about the elections during this more than 24-hour period when you're not -- the media isn't supposed to cover it, so the ban doesn't just cover media, but obviously that's a little outside the abilities of the police. so this ban really is enforced on major news organizations and most of them, like the paper of record here in france, do follow the ban. for most other people, for social media, they will violate it and it will be violated. >> with that said, what was macron able to say about the hack before the ban went into

effect? >> reporter: well, it was put -- this hack was announced, it was released really just hours before the ban went into effect. it was really -- the statement from the macron campaign came out at 11:30 last night or around that time. that was about half an hour before the ban started. so they were able to say that this was a broadside meant to not only damage macron but also diminish confidence in the entire french system, much in the way intelligence officials feel that the hacking last year during the campaign for the u.s. presidential election was targeted not just against hillary clinton but against confidence in the u.s. legal system. >> matt bradley. i'll have to leave it there. i think a lot of people obviously considering what happened there will be watching what happens there in france. thank you, matt. still ahead, hearing from constituents. one republican lawmaker who voted for the health care bill is now holding town halls today. we'll take you there live to see what people are telling him, coming up next. ieholding you ba? break through your allergies. try new flonase sensimist instead of allergy pills.

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msnbc world headquarters in new york. at the half hour here's what we're monitoring. congress is not in session next week as members head home and get ready to face their constituents. packed rooms of new yorkers, look at this, are confronting congressman tom reed today. he's a republican who voted for the house resolution to overhaul health care. let's go to msnbc senior editor of politics where congressman reed is holding this third town hall of the day. it looks like he's getting an earful today. >> reporter: yeah, and, sheinelle, tom reed is one of only a handful of republican congressmen are actually doing town halls which is what makes him so interesting and why we came up to cover him. we also covered him in february even before he voted on health care legislation. there were probably 125, 150 people crammed into this fire station in a very small rural town in western new york. people are very upset with him,

very concerned about the fact that he chose to vote for this piece of legislation which they fear will cost coverage of pre-existing conditions. people stood up and talked about how they had children with special needs, that they had had cancer, that they had diabetes and other things that might render them uninsurerable. tom reed, for his part, said, no, his goal wasust to bring down the cost of inrance, the cost of people's premiums. he said that he could do that by streamlining coverage. well, one guy got up and said, sure, you can make health care a lot cheaper if you just strip everything out that it was meant to cover. let's listen to that. >> i could put together an insurance policy that excludes about everything and sell it for $42 a month. and that's great as long as you stay healthy. what is the point where you have to answer, yes, we lowered it but we didn't take away the value of your insurance? >> reporter: later on, i caught up with congressman reed and asked him if he was worried that

republicans in 2018 might meet the same fate politically as democrats did in 2010 after they passed obamacare. congressman reed said he was going to let politics do what they were going to do. listen. >> i'll let the politics take care of itself because we know that the affordable care act is collapsing as we speak. i know 40% premium increase notices are going out here in our community here in the next couple of weeks. we know that people aren't having access to care because their co-pays and deductibles are going up. at least i can look our constituents in the face and say i tried to be part of the effort to fix this. i was part of the effort to try to advance the cause when it comes to health care in america. >> reporter: so, sheinelle, we're going to wait and see him at his third town meeting of the day at 2:00 here in hinsdale and see what constituents have to say here. >> beth fouhy, thank you. beth just mentioned pre-existing

conditions. house republican leaders have a message for governors and their constituents concerned about the future of insurance coverage for pre-existing conditions. >> so everyone with a pre-existing condition right now who is covered under obamacare will continue to have coverage? >> absolutely. >> everyone? >> absolutely. >> and their rates will remain affordable even though there's more flexibility for insurance companies state by state? >> their rates will remain affordable. >> let's talk about the future of health care for states with washington governor jay inslee, a former member of congress. governor, how concerned are for washington residents with pre-existing conditions? >> well, we heard a congressman taking a lot of heat in a firehouse and that's appropriate because people are outraged by what the republican congress has proposed to do here. and it is an outrage because i

think people have figured out what is behind this. at its bottom fundamental aspect, what the republicans have done here is not a health care bill, it is a wealth care bill. it is intended to protect the wealth of the top 1% of the millionaires and billionaires that they want to give a tax cut to. you have to ask yourself why would anyone want to take away care from people with heart disease or cancer or children for that matter? this is going to take health care away from over 20 million people, 600,000 to 700,000 people in my state. now, what possible motivation would there be? and frankly it's just to take the money out of health care for people who happen to have disabilities or are sick or are age 62 or 65, increase their premiums, reduce coverage with those with pre-existing conditions and take that money and transfer it directly into the pockets of the ultra wealthy in our country.

now, that is the scam that is going on here. i think americans are catching up to that and that's why you have such outrage that's being expressed. now, this bill can be killed. you might consider it dead already considering its fate in the senate. but we need to be very vocal on this. people need to be in those firehouses and pull the fire alarm. this really is a travesty and i think people are understanding that. >> speaking about putting out a message. only one of your representatives from your state voted for the bill. what message do you have for her and her district? >> well, this is going to hurt our state. i think it's very unfortunate that this member did not listen to the people of her state. she did not listen to the insurance commissioner who advised her, and i actually sent a letter to her with our insurance commissioner, advising her that we had looked at the proposal in detail. here's what we concluded. there would be about 700,000 people, and this is incredible,

who will lose insurance. they will not be insured as a result of this plan. we have already had 20,000 people who have had treatment for cancer as a result of the existing law. and this is very personal to me. you know, we talk about numbers, but when you look at people whose lives have been saved because of the existence of health insurance, it is deeply angering to me. i met a person in spokane, which is the district where this congresswoman was from. she was a small businessperson. she's a struggling business, never being able to have insurance. was finally able to get insurance because of the health care reform bill. then she found a lump in her breast. she was able to get diagnosis and treatment for that. now she's a cancer survivor. what she told me when we went and met with her was maybe there's ways to improve this bill. it's certainly not perfect. but i'd be dead without obamacare. and we have to keep the

fundamental coverage for these people. now, to take this woman and tell her and 699,000 of her fellow washingtonians you're going to kick them off insurance, it is an abomination. it is a mal outrage and will not stand. that's why i don't believe this billill pass. it's why americans across the country will be flooding their senators with messages that this is unacceptable. by the way, the people who are hurt here, let's talk about who they are. everybody who's listening to this today has a loved one who has some serious problem. cancer, heart disease, emphysema. these are working people, these are children, these are 62-year-old people who can't wait to get on medicare who will no longer be able to afford coverage because they have a pre-existing condition. talk about the scam here. for the republicans to say, oh, you're going to get coverage for pre-existing conditions, sure, if we can charge you another $100,000. there was a valuation done of

this that said under this proposal, if you had some stage of malignancy or heart disease, maybe you could get insurance but you have to pay another $25,000. people cannot do that, working people in our country. so we need to keep this country moving forward, not going backwards. people need to get up on their hind legs and speak in the upcoming days and weeks. and if we do this, we will defeat this obnoxious effort to take away health care for americans. i believe that's possible and i'm committed to it. we have great success in our state. we've cut our insurance rate more than half. we've reduced the rate of medical inflation by two-thirds because we've done this right. other states should do the same and follow washington state. >> i don't have a lot of time left but i want to squeeze this in. i wonder if you could explain this. the medicaid expansion has been such a big topic for democratic and republican governors. some of the gop senators are former governors who understand what expansion has meant to the states. do you think they'll extend the house's timeline to phase out

the expansion? >> they should not allow the elimination at any date of this expansion. both -- by the way, this is a bipartisan outrage, because both republicans and democrats get sick, and both republicans and democrats have children. and to eliminate coverage for 20 million people who have benefitted because of this, 600,000 in my state, people need to understand how grievous this is. what this would do would be to eliminate coverage for 600,000 people in my state, most of whom are tually working people in my state, actually eliminate it. not simply reduce it or phase it out, eliminate it. that's why republican governors are so angry and upset as well as us who have been successful in expanding medicaid expansion, including children. look, they're cutting this that's going to reduce coverage for children in my state. this does not stand for me and we're going to fight it tooth

and tauong. i do believe we can win this battle. i encourage everyone who shares my viewpoint to get active on this. those people in that firehouse will win this battle when we get this message to senators because this is unconscionable. >> i feel your passion coming through the screen. governor, thank you for your time on this saturday. still ahead, warnings about former national security advisor michael flynn. what the trump administration really knew about his accused dealings with the man rumored to have ties to russian intelligence. next hour, reforming the american health care system. president trump was not the republican -- the only republican, i should say, to try and accomplish it. who that was and what motivated him. we'll talk about that. whoa!

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summer, this fall, say i made a mistake. somebody is going to get indicted. i don't know if it's carter page. that dude's chump change. i think it's somebody higher up the food chain. >> will somebody in the trump campaign be indicted over inappropriate contact with russia? that's the big question as the a.p. reports one trump transition official raised concerns over communications between national security advisor michael flynn and the russian ambassador. let's bring in elise jordan, former rand paul advisor and a coluist for "time." good afternoon to you. >> hi, how are you doing? >> i'm great. you've worked in national security in this world. if indeed this report is true and someone in the trump camp flagged flynn's contacts that long ago, what are the implications of that? >> well, it's just this pattern of the poor judgment bringing mike flynn into the trump administration at such a high level. arguably as the president's most important foreign policy advisor, especially in a white house where proximity to president trump means everything. so you have within his own team

an internal debate about the propriety of flynn's contacts with russians. and so that just -- that signals a divide, you know, initially. the warning signs were there for the trump team and donald trump chose to proceed with mike flynn. >> let's talk about the timeline here. so michael flynn wasn't asked to resign until february, so if the transition team was aware of his questionable connections for at least three months before that, shouldn't he have done more perhaps to keep him away from the white house? >> i think this was a decision by president trump. mike flynn was with him early on the campaign trail. he was one of his initial supporters and a strong supporter and they really, according to some reports, developed a close bond. so president trump decided that he was going to proceed with mike flynn. but the mike flynn issue is not going away simply because there's just been so much shadiness that is coming out. you know, the reports of these companies and his ties with the

turkish government that he did not report himself as a foreign agent. and so this is just going to be, you know, death by a thousand cuts and going to continue to plague the trump administration at a time when they really should be more focused on policy making instead of this drama. >> the trump official who questioned flynn's connections actually went as far to request the cia profile from obama's national security staff. shouldn't that have flagged something or did the obama camp do enough to question russia's role while they still had the power to do it? >> the official who requested the profile was doing that from my reading of it in hopes that to give mike flynn a better understanding of what he was dealing with, because there was concern over the relationship and over, you know, the ties and that he really did not fully understand the motivations of the russian ambassador. so that was my reading of that particular report. but the fact that there was concerns within trump's own camp really is such a red flag. >> so then moving forward here

on friday, the senate intelligence committee asked several trump associates, including reportedly michael flynn and former advisor roger stone to turn over any form of communications they have had with the russians. so put this in perspective for us. how big of a deal is that? and what does it tell you about the status of the investigation? >> well, it tells you that the investigation is going forward and it's proceeding somewhat slowly as this investigation i assume will take, you know, a year, 18 months. this is going to be an ongoing debacle. but at the same time it just shows that the fact that there are so many lingering unanswered questions is just something that donald trump doesn't need to be dealing with at this stage in his presidency, and it just shows the questionable judgment by so many members of this transition. >> finally, obviously you don't have a crystal ball, but where do you see this going? do you think it could work its way all the way up? >> i think that it -- there's so many different conspiratorial camps on this and i honestly

do -- given the state of the trump campaign and the utter chaos, given a lot of what we're seeing in how this white house is managed, i really am not a big believer in some complicated and intelligent conspiracy here. >> you can't write this stuff. elise jordan, thank you for your time on this saturday. >> thank you. still ahead, hear from a hospice nurse about the new health care plan. is it an improvement in her opinion? will it help or hurt her patients? some answers in our next hour. termites, feasting on homes 24/7.

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an upte on this pro trump rally in st. pa, minnesota, we've been watching. here's new video of skirmishes that occurred a little while ago. this happened in front of the state capitol. a couple of people were pushed or fell down the capitol steps. no word on what happened here, but two months ago at the same location, pro trump supporters and opponents clashed, resulting in the arrests of at least six people. so we'll continue to keep our eye on that pro trump rally and continue to bring you things as

it warrants. well, new today, a hacking attack against the front-runner in the french presidential elections. hackers published documents stolen from emmanuel macron's e-mails. it came hours before a midnight deadline from campaigning, preventing him from responding. joining me is david ignatius. >> hi, good to be here. >> what's your initial take of all of this? >> my initial take is that it's not likely to have decisive effect on the french election. macron was well ahead in the latest poll taken after a debate on wednesday night. this poll showed him ahead 63-37 over marine le pen, the right-wing challenger. the material will be very hard for french media to in any way discuss, because there is a law in france basically blocking last-minute news revelations before the voting. it will be online.

it's impossible at this point to have any confidence about who did it, the motives. it would just be purely speculation. >> even if the papers don't do anything about it, with social media these days, it seems like information can come from all sorts of ways. as you mentioned, the polls had macron way ahead. can le pen benefit from this at all? >> she could benefit but it could also backfire. it could be seen as a sign of forces opposing macron, if there's speculation that this is russian-inspired, le pen has historically had ties with putin. one of her earlier campaigns she got a loan from a russian bank. so it's just very difficult to predict how this will spin. it is striking in this age of information warfare that we see an enormous hack and dump of information as happened in the u.s. presidential election. >> while i have you here, i want to ask you about one of your

columns. president trump spoke to russian president putin on tuesday. the kremlin says both men agreed to meet face to face around the time of the g20 summit in july. you've written that he should talk to bad guys, if you will. how do you think that meeting will go? talk to me about your column for some of our viewers that didn't get a chance to read that. your take on that. >> i was just discussing the fact that donald trump for all of his tough talk about foreign policy has reversed his pre-inauguration position on china and speaks of china's leader, xi jinping as if he's a key partner certainly in dealing with north korea. he now talks about wanting a better relationship with vladimir putin in russia. he's even said that he'd be honored in his word to meet with the north korean, kim jong-un. so i think that the reality is that these are really difficult

problems. the syrian war has been a catastrophic nightmare. if putin is willing to offer trump terms for moving toward a negotiated transition, so much the better. in putin's phone call with trump this last week, he seems to have made an offer that john kerry, the secretary of state for president obama, would have loved to have had. it would have made kerry's job so much easier. so i think the talk is good. what worries me is that i don't see yet in this really still not very well staffed trump administration state department the ability to follow through on these big diplomatic initiatives and ideas. that worries me. >> i guess i just wondered, you hear critics say we shouldn't legitimatize some of these leaders. is there a tap dance between legitima legitimizing them and ending up

in another war. >> we want to act on our values and express our values as a democracy but also make sure we hold onto our interests. in that sense we need to be selfish and protect our interests, protect our treasure. that's the line that trump is trying to walk, as every president does. he's walking it in a difrent way. he's really opened t door to some pretty tough characters. duterte in the philippines is a good example. he said things about him that president obama never would have said. but the question, i think, is can you find a balance between values and interests that is -- keeps america's strength as a democracy intact? we don't want to become like these countries. we may want to talk to them, but we don't want to be like them. >> with that said, trump is going to saudi arabia on his first official trip abroad. it will begin with an outreach in muslim countries.

can he pull off a reset with the muslim world after all the things he has said in the past? >> i have traveled in the muslim world. the truth is that the saudis, the emirates, the egyptians think donald trump is great. they didn't like barack obama. you would think because of what he said they wouldn't like him but here's a president that doesn't lecture them about human rights. he stands behind them in confronting iran. so trump will have a very successful visit to saudi arabia. the interesting question is whether he'll get anything in that trip that he can then take to israel and say let's start a new peace process. i was at the white house on thursday and hearing suggestions that that's what they're thinking about. you never want to be too optimistic about middle east peace talks, but they at least are thinking about how to take this trip and get, as one white

house official put it, get deliverables out of it. get a process going. >> good discussion. thank you for your time on this saturday, david ignatius. you'll have to talk to me again, it was good. thank you. still ahead, what about the little didn'tguy? hear from a small business owner and get his take on the bill passed by the house. ♪ everything your family touches sticks with them. make sure the germs they bring home don't stick around. use clorox disinfecting products. because no one kills germs better than clorox.

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