>> we'll have to wait and see. thank you both for joining me. that wraps it up here. stay with us for updates and breaking news as it happens. joy reid is next. have a fantastic night. welcome to the beginning of the send of obamacare. >> you guys are the best. >> mr. president, they all voted for the bill. >> a president. can you believe it? >> he with want to brag about the plan. this plan, really. oh-oh! wel well. >> congratulations on a job well done. >> good morning, welcome to the a.m. joy. this was scene thursday after house republicans voted to take

away health care from up to 24 million americans and raise premiums on seniors. after they voted to leave it up to the states to decide whether to guarantee that your pre-existing conditions will be covered. after they voted to block medicaid recipients from getting care at planned parenthood clinics. after they voted to cut $880 billion out of medicaid which takes money from the poor, disabled and medicaid. not to mention funding for our public schools. after voting for a tax cut to the wealthiest .1% of americans. >> it was a celebration. >> meanwhile, this is how protesters greeted the congressmen on their way to the rose garden beer party. >> they all voted for this bill.

these are their names. and here at a.m. joy, my tireless producers reached out to each and everyone of them to and them to join us. i ofd each of them the lead spot on this show this morning to go one-on-one with no explain why they voted for the bill and not a single one agreed. the names are still scrolling. all those names. 217 people. no takers. not a one. >> joining me now, thank you all for being here. so it falls to you. we couldn't get a single one. we had them and he have single one of those 217 republicans to

come on the show a vote they cheered for. not one would come on and justify the vote. can you explain to us, sir, why it makes sense to cut almost $1 billion out of medicaid to give a tax for almost a trillion dollars? >> first, the they know that's going on that people have to focus on. there are about 25 to 12 million americans to buy coverage in the american market. they get no subsidies from obamacare and they have seen it go through roof. they've seen the insurance canc cancelled, we've had a report that a third insureter other day may be leaving iowa. those people might have no choice of insurance. no ability to get insurance. that's the constituency that has been harmed by this law.

the affordable care act or obamacare. they've elected president trump and these republicans to repeal and replace obamacare. they are looking to find ways to bring the cost of coverage down so they can continue to get health insurance. the problem is in october, as you saw the premium increases, this law was starting to, on the brink of uninsuring the nshld, and that's what they're trying to fix. the characterizations are completely off the market as to what it does do. >> i'm glad you made that point. publics were responding to a specific constituency. v.o.x..com put up a list of winners and losers.

rich people win because they getter the tax cuts. they can charge different people more based on their age and health status. and drug companies because they get more flexibility. it strikes me that they are the constituency because they are not the ones who vote for republicans. the affluent wanted to get out from tunneled taxes. and the people who are not the elderly and the poor and the sick. >> there were some small changes in the bill. it tells you about 14 million people will eventually be off medica medicaid. they will lose insurance.

so i would say that it does suggest some people, if you're, two or healthy and you're upper income, you will have lower premiums. so it has that effect of sorts. i disagree the other panl its who say, the net is more people will be uninsured under this program than tunneled aca that exists. so even if you have some that are getting cheaper insurance, more people under insured than before. now a new law that would take away from 24. if you look at a chart of 2.2 million people currently in the individual market but who also have pre-existing conditions, the ahca's high risk pools, what

they'll throw people into rather than having them have subls dis, would cover just 10,000 people. only 5% would still have insurance. >> under prior law, and under obamacare, under what the house bill just passed, those people who have insurance would not be affected. this does not take away pre-existing conditions from anybody. it says in the very limited circumstances, if you have not had previous coverage, you're just waiting until you're stock buy coverage, then and only then can the insurer not deny you, not charge, but charge you more based on your real costs.

this is one of the big problems with the health law. it has encouraged people to wait until they're stock then buy coverage. and that is disrupting the entire market and driving costs up. so people who have pre-existing conditions now, just as the case with employer provided insurance before obamacare was passed, this is not an issue, this is not a problem. to say -- hold on, hold on. >> everybody -- there's 20 million people living on the coast of florida and they will all die if there's a hurricane. >> that's not what we're saying. by the way, first of all, i'm glad you referenced before, before, joan, there was obamacare. what he's saying is it was better, we should go back -- >> you said this was not a problem because before obamacare insurance companies could charge people significantly more if they attempted to enter the market with pre-existing condition and that is what the law does. >> no. >> i want to let joan in on this. two things we know will happen if it's signed into law.

number one, states would have an option to get a waiver saying they no longer have to supply this baseline. they can get out of that. also allow insurance companies to get out from under community rating meaning they can charge a senior five times more and charge them with pre-existing conditions more. mo brooks put this in more simple terms. this is mo brooks on cnn explaining what that means. >> they will allow insurance companies to require people who have higher health care costs to tribute more to the insurance pool that helps offset all these costs there by reducing the cost to those people who lead good lives, are healthy, they have done the things to keep their bodies healthy.

right now those are the people who have done things the right way that are seeing their costs skyrocketing. >> every law chooses winners and losers. what a law is. republicans are saying the winners should be in mo brooks words people who live good lives and healthy and unhealthy with pre-existing conditions should pay more. they are admitting sick people should pay more. >> and they brought it on themselves. tell that to cancer survivors, young cancer survivors. it brought insight into the mind-set of the bill. i want to describe a couple of things. in the beginning you said it's going take $880 billion from medicaid to give a big tax cut to the top .1%. and our friend ed said, no, that's not what it does. it actually does do that, ed. you focused on other things it does. that's not all it does. we have to get a baseline established. it does do that.

the other argument here, i guess i would also say, i'm not sure, joy, this is not going to affect donald trump's base. because as perry was pointing out, the first cbo score showed that a 64-year-old making 25 or $30,000 a year is going to see his or her premiums jump by $10,000, their out of pocket prescription drug costs jump by $9,000 or so. so those are the people. it's true for people who are 50 to 64, those people are hurt the worst. if you look at maps of where the subsidies have been going, it looks like a map of donald trump's strength. >> especially pennsylvania, ohio, michigan, wisconsin. remember, the south did not take the medicaid expansion by and large, which would be phased out. that would be gone by 2019. that is in the bill. phase out medicaid expansions. if you're between the poverty rate. to the point just made, if you go through and look at estimated premium surcharge for somebody who is 40 years old with any of

the following pre-existing conditions, center for american progress looked at how much they would pay. met static cancer, breast cancer will, $42,650. lung cancer and other severe cancers, $72,000. rheumatoid arthritis. you know how many people suffer from that. $26,500 plus. drug dependence, donald trump said was important. $20,000. they phase out drug control office. heart failure, $18,000. all the way down. diabetes, autism, pregnancy. it's inarguable a lot of people who voted for donald trump are going to pay more. >> that's exactly right. i'm sorry to hear about your mom, joy. look, the republicans took a bill that was 17% approval rating and managed to make it even more unpopular. they gutted and took out the most important popular parts of obamacare like those essential

benefits for maternity leave and everything else people really truly cared about, taking pre-existing care to folks who need insurance. then they did that and then they went and voted for something they didn't read. they didn't take a look at, look at new cbo score. then they get on the bus like a bunch of third graders to the white house for a school trip and take a shockingly all white photo-op with the president who has a really low approval rating for what, a bill dead on arrival at the senate, a bill that will never become law. it's just really unfathomable. not only that, there's going to be textbooks written, entire textbooks written on the malpractice of this week alone. so now a day after you have the independent cook political report come out and move 20 house member seat to the democratic side. why? republican moderates voted for

this. they were the deciding factor on this bill. >> i'm going to give the last one to ed. presumably you read the bill hopefully. on fox news friday saying should pay more. take a listen. >> under obamacare, the older folks and sicker folks could pay three times more than younger folks. this plan it's five times more. that's going in the wrong direction. >> it's pricing for what the individual's health status is. that's to appreciate. somebody is going to pay for health coverage for american people. >> is it justifying and the position, i should say, of the conservative movement and republican party that these two things are true, older and sicker people in your view should be charged more by insurance companies and that's what this bill is going to do

and the wealthy, essentially, should not be paying to subsidize poor folks because they are getting a big tax cut. >> you're talking about age rating provisions in obamacare. >> ahca. >> yes. let me just tell you, the reality is and i published on this and actuaries have published on this. people 64 consume five times the amount of health care as somebody who is 20 years old. now, what the aca did is say you can't charge them more than three to one. here is what happened. remember we were talking about before the election. there weren't enough young people signing up. why? going five to one to three to one, they drove up premiums for young adults by 30 plus percent and decreased it for somebody 55 or over by 10%. if you go back, there will be a slight increase older and bring down the cost of those younger. remember, before republicans took over, before trump took over, the big complaint aca

wasn't getting enough young people. why? they made an error in this three to one in the law and they were driving young people away from the bill. >> we're running out of time. i want to give perry, an admission it is winners and losers, picking young and affluent saying they should lower premiums at all costs even in sick and elderly and disabled play more. is this something republicans feel confident running for re-election on? >> i don't know if they feel confident about that. this week i learned the most, no republican wants to be blamed for stopping will obamacare repeal. freedom caucus wanted it off their desk, now mitch mcconnell has the problem and republicans in the senate. they don't want to be blamed for blocking the obamacare either. the momentum will drive the process forward, about the fact

everyone knows they promised to repeal obamacare and they are going to keep trying to do it. >> that's why one time in my life i will disappear, this will not become law. wait for it. mitch mcconnell will move heaven and earth to make something of this nature law because repeal and replace obamacare is the prime directive of the republican party because it's got the word obama in it. back later in the show. >> i'm sure the fight will be epic. thank you, ed, for being courageous enough to come on and defend the bill because none of the republicans in congress were. will a russian hack give marine le pen the presidency. stay with us. ...it starts a chain reaction... ...that's heard throughout the connected business world. at&t network security helps protect business, from the largest financial markets to the smallest transactions, by sensing cyber-attacks in near real time and automatically deploying countermeasures. keeping the world of business connected and protected. that's the power of and.

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breaking news this morning. leading french presidential candidate emmanuel macron says he's the target of a massive cyber hack of tomorrow's election when they decide between him and his opponent marine le pen. the hacked dumped e-mails,

accounting documents, contracts online. it also said part of the leak involves false documents. macron is unable to respond to the tack because the leak became hours before statutory campaigning day blackout went into account. macron's team said hacking amounts to the same kind of destabilization attack russians pulled in the u.s. election last year. joining me christopher dickey, daily news editor for "the daily beast." the question everyone is asking and everyone is slightly freaking out about, whether or not this hack attack would have the same effect on the french election that it had on the u.s. election here. >> no, i don't think so. for starters, it's practically the dog that didn't bark here in france. because of the blackout on campaigning, there's also a blackout on news about this. certainly the mainstream news media are not picking up on any of the supposed revelations, which have been pretty minor anyway.

a lot of people here in france don't know this happened. >> that's good news, a difference between their system and hours, this blackout idea. one of the things that's similar, a lot similar, this group fancy bear, which was the russian attacking outfit that attacked hillary clinton campaign, released john podesta's e-mails but the involvement of a couple of things. this online trolling site before midnight, someone posted links to large data taken from macron's campaign, financial data, it was only a couple days ago crude forgery reporting macron had offshore bank account in the caribbean. 4chan, material disseminated through 4chan, gig bats of data and contents of hard drive and co-workers, political officials.

but the other actor that seems to be in common is wikileaks. wikileaks retweeted this macron leaks hashtag calling it significant, saying it's not feasible to fabricate the whole thing and giving credence to it. saying, well, it's a practical joke but we're examining. are wikileaks and 4chan actors in this or the same way they were used as a vessel for the foreign hackers. >> no, i think they are thought to be vehicles for whoever is doing the hacking. a few days ago, i was talking to i.t. people on the macron campaign. they were very explicit about the kinds of hackers that were going after them and have been going after them since december. they thought they had pretty good defenses against it. maybe they did, maybe they

didn't. one of the issues that's interesting here, joy, this question of how much is fake in these files. and wikileaks when they read the statement from the macron campaign saying a lot of these materials are fake, wikileaks very smugly said, we don't think they can read this material faster than we did and we think it's legit. here is an interesting wrinkle. they told me and we published this in the "daily beast" several days ago that one of the ways they fond to phishing attacks trying to get into e-mails with false sign on pages, that kind of thing, is to actually answer them and flood them with fake information and misleading information. so it may well be, although the macron people can't talk about it right now, it may well be they know some of this is fake because they gave them fake information. it's identified exactly who is doing this. >> very interesting. one other thing interesting "the daily beast" wrote about, your piece, the french are not as

susceptible in a lot of ways to these kinds of attacks as maybe british and u.s. electorates are. why do you suppose that is? >> well, you know the french are very susceptible to conspiracy theories, in fact. they circulate that all the time. this kind of attack is just alien to french culture. i think the fact it was coming from the united states is very suspect in the view of a lot of french people. finally there's an interesting wrinkle here, which is there's no bombshell that we've seen in this at all. there's nothing that would really disrupt the macron campaign. many of the supposed revelations show that macron's people are saying, no, you can't fake contributions. paying too much. we need to give you money back. actually it makes them sound more legitimate rather than less.

so i think the point of this dump, if it was to undermine macron's campaign, and i assume it was, because it was done exactly before -- right before the blackout on news, the point of the dump is the dump itself because it sounds incriminating. >> the interesting thing, of course, the french have higher turnout. they tend to turnout against le pen when either is on the ballot. not the trumpian effect. our friend winds up popping back up in the story. if you remember he was on our philly focus group during the election and a boycott against "star wars" which went really, really well. "star wars" democrats well at the box office. put out m's that, always interesting when he pops up. we'll check back with you tomorrow. >> thank you. >> coming up, friday night news dumping reignited "russia-gate" that's next. my name is barbara and i make dog chow natural.

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e-mail warranted a new investigation. >> i may have missed this, but my 42 years here, i've never seen anything like that. >> i'm struck that you chose make public statements about one investigation and not another. >> do you have any regrets, or are there anything you would do differently? >> the honest answer is no. i've asked myself that a million times. lordy, is this painful. the only thing is answering the phone when they recruit med to be fbi director when i was living happily in connecticut. >> they jumped at the idea of questioning james comey on the burning question, what was he thinking two weeks before election day he waded smack in the middle with the announcement he was reopening the investigation into hillary clinton's e-mails. comey answered by recounting the conversation he had with himself. >> if i were not to speak about that, it would be a disastrous,

catastrophic concealment. incredibly painful choice but not all that hard between very bad and catastrophic. i had to tell congress we were taking these additional steps. i prayed to find a third door. i couldn't find it. >> it's difficult to measure the precise extent to which that painful choice helped deliver the white house to donald trump but comey wants us to feel his pain and know he's sick, just sick, at the very thought. >> this is terrible. it makes me mildly nauseous to think we might have had some impact on the election. but honestly, it wouldn't change the decision. everybody who disagrees with me has to come back to october 28th with me and stare at this and tell me what you would do. would you release or conceal. >> despite the fact he may have impacted the election he was resolute about this warning with russian interference. >> what kind of threat do you

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on friday night new reporting emerged about one of the key figures in russia-gate. former security adviser michael flynn. according to "washington post" trump transition officials warned flynn about his contacts with russian ambassador sergey kislyak weeks before the call that forced him out of his position. the story said flynn was told his conversations with kislyak were almost certainly being monitored by u.s. intelligence agencies. then a separate "associated press" report dropped this scoop. flynn's contacts with the russian ambassador set off barnicle bells for the obama administration about the trump teams russian ties. obama officials became so

concerned about those contacts, they decided to delay telling the trump teams about their plans to delay telling about the election, might tip off moscow. nbc further reported obama administration tried to avoid that tip off by averting hours instead of days before the announcement. here with me now malcolm nance, nbc contributor, the plot to hack america. author of "how to catch a russian spy." msnbc security analyst evelyn farkas. i want to come to you first. i want to go around the table and everyone react to that. first to you, the idea -- does it ring true to you that members of the trump team, trump transition team thought that perhaps michael flynn was naive about the russian ambassador, he didn't know who he was dealing with given the fact he used to

be head of the defense intelligence agency. >> i don't know if they thought he was naive or not. they may have thought he was taking on too much risk. whether they cared what motivation was or not doesn't matter. they knew that what michael flynn was doing was dangerous, if not problematic, and so they were trying to stop him is what it appears. i happen to know these people, the people if the trump transition. full disclosure i went to graduate school billingsley, the person said to have warned general flynn. marshall's solid foreign policy expert. he knows what the russians are up to. presumably he understood this is an adversary not an ally.

>> really quickly to stay with you, evelyn, since you do know mr. billingsley who figures prominently in the ap stories, was he a trump insider or somebody coming in to try to help the trump team but not an intimate of team trump? >> i can't characterize his relationship, because whey know of it is just from the press. >> sure. >> so i don't know any more than anyone else. it seems to me he was hired, brought in as an expert. someone who may or may not have been involved in the campaign. clearly once it came time to govern, that is his expertise. policy foreign official worked in washington many years in the executive and legislative branch.

>> let's go around the table and have you respond to two things. this idea mr. billingsley and others in the transition team on the trump side thought maybe michael flynn was just naive about russia. maybe he didn't know who they were and who kislyak was. does that ring true to you? >> no. that doesn't ring true to me at all. in fact, when i read the story, i immediately started filling in a lot of the holes of what we already know based on these behaviors. the behaviors first from the transition team already having suspicions about michael flynn. even if billingsley thought they were naive and just someone who didn't know what he was talking about, this is former director of defense intelligence agency, the first american intelligence officer to ever visit military headquarters of military intelligence. on the other side you have the obama administration. they knew what was going on with michael flynn way back in july and august you had the director of intelligence, remember, with his reports he was hair on fire going around to the gang of eight to talk about russian contacts with russian intelligence officers. and then into december we had that story of michael flynn may have had contact or inadvertent contact with a russian intelligence officer, cambridge intelligence group in england. all of these things put together spell out to me that michael flynn, for the people who really knew on the obama team was

dirty. dirty enough. that's an intelligence term. that means he has contacts or links he may or may not know about to a foreign intelligence agency. they were so concerned that they did not want him to have access to an imminent actions on the part of the government. this story is very, very much deeper than i thought it was before. i thought the guy was just an unwitting asset. now it's starting to lead to make us wonder, was he actually recruited by a foreign intelligence agency. >> somebody who did just that work of attempting to pretend to be recruited by the same foreign agency. is it possible that somebody at michael flynn's level just really didn't understand who sergey kislyak was and didn't understand him? does this ring at all true to you? >> absolutely not. malcolm is 1,000% correct here. it's clear to me the

relationship between michael jackson flynn and the russia dates back to before trump decided to run for president. this is a very long relationship. when dealing with russian intelligence, one does not collude, one is tasked, recruited. what concerns me -- looks there was concern about michael flynn. he should not have ever been selected to be nsa. someone fired by a previous president shouldn't be picked up by following administration. that being said, the day that someone brought this information of any concern to president trump is the day president trump should have revoked his clearances. if there was one hour past that, he was aware of these concerns that he decided to let mr. flynn in, that is damning. essentially what you're saying, there's a potential risk, someone in cahoots, direction of a foreign intelligence agency sitting at the high level of the white house you are allowing to continue on in that position, that is unconscionable. two acts, one, did they recruit

mr. flynn. secondly, when did the white house, trump transitions trump know about this, did he decide not to remove mr. flynn knowing there were genuine concerns he was a russian agent. >> by the way, it wasn't the idea of trying to quarantine michael flynn off is made very complicated by the fact "washington post" and ap stories said jared kushner in one of those meetings, too. malcolm, do you want to say something? >> yeah. if i was a counter-intelligence team tasked out on watching behaviors of general flynn and thinking there was some suspicion about him or the people around him and that he may, in fact, be manipulated, the one thing i would watch out for is these behaviors when these sanctions were implemented. his immediate behavior was to reach out five times to a foreign diplomat, known intelligence collector, with authorization from donald trump, that would have been proof for me. at that point i would have been rolling this guy up.

we would have pulled him in for counter-intelligence polygraph, squeezed his clearance and considered him a turned asset. >> none of that happened. i want to really quickly while i have time play you guys what i thought was interesting 67 seconds -- we're not going to play the whom 67 seconds. this is senator asking a specific question about whatsapp jim comey is doing. >> in the investigations that you're currently doing on the russian interference and trump teams relationship, are you coordinating with any u.s. attorneys office in this investigation? >> two sets of prosecutors, main justice, national security division and eastern district of virginia u.s. attorneys office. >> this was interesting.

on april 28th, these sets of tweets went pretty viral. this is a guy called claude taylor who tweeted, this just in with a source of knowledge of comey's investigation. two grand jurys have convened and i know one is complete. i want to ask you about this. this stood out to me. you have jim comey talking boult working with u.s. attorneys in virginia, u.s. attorneys office where people know eastern district what they call the rocket docket, there's been a lot of speculation, not just by mr. taylor but others that there may actually be grand jurys looking at this. it does feel like michael flynn might be somebody they would be looking at. do you feel like that would be credible. >> not just michael flynn. paul manafort acting as a foreign agent. we know that, hadn't filed, hadn't declared it. the other question is whether russian meddling despite the fact they were aggressively meddling, all the workman, a fort and flynn were doing for them, it also constitutes a

contribution to the trump campaign. so there are campaign finance laws involved as well. >> so a lot to be said. i want to let viewers know, this is something we're going to be looking into a lot further. tick-tock tick-tock, not ending soon. thank you guys for being here. appreciate it. coming up, trump care could cost republicans far more than the house. we'll show you how it could affect gubernatorial races across the country. stay with us.

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i'm tom perriello. in congress i voted for obamacare. tus wrong a million virginians weren't covered. and we'll make sure this never happens in virginia. >> former congressman tom perriello lost his congressional seat over that pro-obam dlat care vote. as did many in the pro tea party wave of 2010. many hope they can use the

republicans obamacare repeal to put them out of a job. joining me is tom perriello who is running for governor. what a great ad. you lost your seat for voting for -- to expand health care. does it surprise you that your colleagues who went through that experience with you, a lot of them who came into office because of that are willing to risk their seats to take health care away from people? >> well, it seems a really strange way to do the calculus. i was happy to give up my political seat in order to ensure people actually had health care and hundreds of people over the years have come to me and talked about how this saved their lives. the lives of their children. saved their businesses from bankruptcy. and that's a much greater reward than a second term in congress. but to risk your seat in congress to take people's health care away and reintroduce the issue of pre-existing conditions and undermine the essential benefits package seems like a very odd political risk but also human risk to take and that's

what we've seen with a very bad vote here. >> it's so painful for the democrats but the only lesson that republicans learned is not to make it take long. democrats dragged this through the summer and people saw the sausage making and hated it. republicans went the express route to this health care repeal, at least in the house. but it still has resulted in essentially the same thing. the cook political report came out and they have put 20 gop health seats more favorable for democrats after the health care vote. they only need 24 seats to flip the house. if you go to the history of this, the first midterm election for a new president is always bad for the president's party, right? historically the party in power has lost seats. just history is not on the republican side. but do you think the democratic party is politically prepared to take advantage of this. >> i think the party is ready

but the energy right now is outside the party in these movements, the indivisible groups and huddle groups around the country and people are super fired up. the amount of energy we've seen to try to save the affordable care act which is still possible has just been incredibly inspiring. but i think the republicans have to realize they didn't just put the seats in congress in play. they actually just turned this into a state issue. now every state legislator, every state governor candidate is going to have to answer for the fact that they may have to deal with this waver question on pre-existing conditions. we challenge ed gillespie yesterday, my likely republican opponent who is a k-street lobbyist about whether or not he'll consider he's waivers that reintroduce pre-existing conditions and undermine the essential benefits package on mental health coverage and pre and post natal care that virginian families could pay more out of pocket per year. it's not just the house majority they've put in play but house

legislatures. >> i'm going to come back to virginia in a second. scott walker in wisconsin has already been confronted with this issue. it hasn't even passed the senate yet. scott walker trying to deal with whether he'd accept those waivers. he's waiting to see what gets to the president's desk but we're not looking to change pre-existing conditions and he made that comment hours after saying he would consider seeking a waiver for federal rules. this puts republicans in an odd position. they're against this idea of the government forcing and mandating insurance but they themselves don't want to pay the price. you're in virginia, obviously, where this is the ultimate swing state, ultimate purple state. do you think that repealing obamacare will be a voting issue and will this be what gets you in? >> it certainly is going to be an issue that's very relevant in this election and very good news for democrats. but i think all of us would rather have people keep their affordable health kaur than see this as a political football because ultimately this is about people's lives. but i hear people across the state from the reddest counties

to the bluest counties who don't want to see us go back a decade on being able to be denied coverage for pre-existing conditions. one thing i hear about is lifetime and annual caps. because that's what you get insurance for is to make sure you're covered when something terrible happens. those are the stories we hear day in and day out. the issue of medicaid expansion in virginia, governor mcauliffe has fought hard for it. next year will be the best chance to expand that coverage because we're seeing in red parts of virginia that can literally look across the border into kentucky and say why do those folks have the medicaid expansion and not us here in virginia. >> one of the -- >> we think this is a huge political issue this year. >> one of the issues for democrats is your elections take place in off years. republicans in a very stroj about that. those tend to be lower turnout elections. do you think that's going to hurt turnout? are you going to get the turnout you need in order to be elected governor? >> we're going to flip the script this year. eight years ago the republican

tea party wave began in virginia and what through 2010. this year the progressive wave is going to begin in virginia and we'll see it go into 2018. we're very excited about where the political energy is. >> tom periello, good luck to you. we'll follow your race. there's so much more to come right here on msnbc. american express open cards can help you take on a new job, or fill a big order or expand your office and take on whatever comes next. find out how american express cards and services can help prepare you for growth at open.com. start your day with the number one choice of dentists. philips sonicare removes significantly more plaque versus oral-b 7000. experience this amazing feel of clean. innovation and you. philips sonicare.

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