moves to the senate. about obamacare survive the fight ahead? on trump taxes, a plan in new york state that could force them public. we have a state legislature driving the effort here. everyone is getting ready for the bomb shell testimony. acting attorney general sally yates removed by the trump administration will break her silence about what she told the white house about national security adviser michael flynn. that's all ahead on what is a busy show. this is the eve of a big week in washington, the testimony on the russia inquiry, reaction to the french election and the brazen effort by russia-linked hackers to impact elections, the next step in a battle that could make or break donald trump's presidency, though, is health care. does this fight show that trump ultimately is all talk or that he's able to deliver? the white house sent out health secretary tom price to make the sale today. >> what i believe they're now recognizing is that this is a different and we believe a better way to cover individuals with preexisting illnesses and injuries because it allows for every single person to get the access to the kind of coverage

that they want. look, nobody wants folks who have a preexisting illness or injury not to be covered. it's a different way, but it's a way we believe to be better and more comprehensive in the ability to have those patients have the kind of coverage and care that they want. >> while the white house was quick to celebrate the house vote, the real test is of course the senate. that's where chuck schumer laid out what he viewed as the moral and policy reasons to reject this gop measure. >> you're a parent. your child has cancer. if this bill were to become law, the insurance company could cut you off, say it's too expensive to take care of your kid's cancer, to cut off preexisting conditions or make them much harder to get, either way, is a very nasty thing to most democrats and republicans oppose. >> bringing in joan walsh from the nation. dorian warrenback from the roosevelt institute.

david corn in washington and health care expert john cohn author of "sick, the untold story of america's health care crisis." joan, starting with you. the senate made it very clear they have all sorts of reasons why they don't want to take their cues from the house. >> that's true. i am also not encouraged by the fact that they convened a group of 13 men and no women to talk about how they were going to change this bill when this bill is just so horrible in terms of women's health care, in terms of denying us maternity care, creating all these preexisting conditions, back to the days where you could deny us coverage for preexisting conditions. as a lot of democrats say, being a woman is a preexisting condition. we have a lot of special qualities that make us use more health care. that's a bad sign. ari, we talked about this the last time the bill -- when the

bill seemed to die, and i was very gung-ho at that point that the senate would kill it if it got out of the house. i feel less confident. >> you're worried the senate will pass this? >> i am worried the senate will pass it. something has changed from the big worry for republicans being that their constituents would punish them for taking away so much health care to they will be punished by the right wing for not repealing and that that's -- that's the imperative now. that's a little scary. >> it is -- i agree with joan wholeheartedly. i think we can't become comfortable or complacent with assuming that the senate will somehow block this bill. from the point of view of the resistance, i think we still need people showing up at town hall meetings, telling legislators do not confiscate my health care for tax cuts for the wealthiest. that's the key. that's the crux of what this is all about. so people have to continue to engage to do the calls, to show

up, to say we know what you're trying to do. it is unacceptable to take medicine out of the hands of family and friends and neighbors. >> john, joan walsh mentions the republicans put out a long list and many point out that it's all men. susan collins has a different view and her own reform ideas. take a listen. >> the house bill is not going to come before us. the senate is starting from scratch. we're going to draft our own bill. and i am convinced that we're going to take the time to do it right. speaker ryan today said that he hoped that the senate would improve the house bill. i think we will do so and that we will come up with a whole new, fresh approach that solves the legitimate flaws that do exist with the aca. >> john, speak to her arguments there. >> yeah. i mean, i think what joan was saying before is spot on. i have no doubt that, by the time the senate is done with this, if they produce a bill, it

will look better than what the house bill looked like. that's because, from the standpoint of expanding coverage and preserving health care for people, anything would look better than what the house produced. the question is, how far will they pull it back. i actually worry a little bit, you know, the house set such a low standard. i mean, that bill was so crazy radical, the cuts were so big. so many people. 24 million people losing health coverage. it's possible the senate will come out with a bill that will look a little better and only, quote-unquote, take insurance from 20 million people. that would still be a huge cut. that's something to watch for. does the senate demonstrate tmo bill and say that's not so bad when in reality it's a huge cut that would cause huge suffering throughout the country. >> david. >> i agree. the issue is what the republican idea is about health care. and it's different from what obamacare is.

they don't want subsidies. they don't want to expand health care. they had plenty of opportunity to deal with the issue of preexisting conditions for years. they had plenty of opportunity to deal with getting more access to health insurance for years. what did they do? virtually nothing. they don't care. we see that throughout the house debate. we see that with the lies they're telling about what the bill will and won't do. the really question is, at some point, is that what the base really wants. the people who vote for republicans, the few independent voters who they still need to win in some districts, though not all, who need to win in senate-wide races. whether they put up with this. it's easy for people to scream about this but the question is whether the protest will expand behind these confines. >> john, why is it so hard to make policy that doesn't protect preexisting conditions under the goals the republicans have set?

>> you know, people forget, when they wrote the affordable care act, the idea was basically to marry the liberal goal of universal coverage with a scheme that conservatives would go for. so in fact, they picked up the best ideas conservatives had in order to cover people. well, republicans have now said they oppose that too. well, if you're not going to do the liberal solution to get to universal coverage and you're not going to do the conservative solution to get to universal coverage, then you're not going to get to universal coverage. the fact of the matter is, if you look at what they're proposing to do, they're proposing a huge spending cut. they'll put that money into tax cuts for corporations and for wealthy individuals. that's money that is today helping people to get health insurance. you take that money away, people are going to lose health insurance. there is no escaping that fact. >> dorian warren, david corn and

joan walsh. thank you. "the point" going on location to a pretty unusual bar. almost one out of five americans reacted to trump's election by giving money to a political or charitable cause. a new bar in downtown new york called coup is taking drinking and activism to the next level. >> coup is a -- it's a cocktail bar in the east village of new york city, it's 100% non-profit bar. we'll give all of our profits to organizations that are either being de-funded by the current administration or need money to help fight the current administration. >> and which organizations? coup gives that choice to its customers. >> you order a drink. when you order the drink you put the coin into the jar of your choosing and the profits go to that campaign. >> that includes planned parenthood by trump wants to de-fund. it is the bar's most popular charity right now. that's good news from the planned parenthood new york city office. >> they'd like our organization to not exist.

we've been here for 100 years. we were founded in a store-front health center in brooklyn in 1916. so we're not going anywhere. >> we're talking about this at a bar in new york. your organization from new york. when your organization was founded a woman couldn't be at a bar alone in new york either. >> she could not be at a bar, could not vote, have information about birth control let alone access birth control. >> i asked about the friendly competition. >> as a progressive organization, is it important to you to crush your rivals in this competition? >> absolutely not. we are not looking to do that. we hope that there are enough donations to go around. our membership has now quadrupled. we went from 400,000 to 1.6. donations have sky rocketed. i think it's because people really feel our civil liberties are threatened and they are thankful for organizations that will come in and fight.

one of the great things about this place is that it gives people a way to give back and to do things. >> the walls of the bar have quotes from people ranging from malcolm x to republican teddy roosevelt who inspired bar owner s souther teague. >> it says do what you can with what you have where you are. that's the impetus that we drive the thing by. robby mentioned he owns bars and this is what he knows how to do. >> coup says it will keep donating profits to those causes and that no one should take their name literally. joan, it was fun to have the drink there. what do you think about the commercial activism? >> i am a little bit upset that you didn't invite me down with you. you did invite me to the segment. i think it's great. they are trying to do it where they are and trying to make a difference in non-traditional ways. i don't know that it will change things in a baying wig way and

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returns. republicans in congress seem unlikely to make him release them by law, which had some experts concluding trump will never be legally required to release his taxes until now. democratic legislators in new york proposing a law that require people to release tax returns for five years. the state oversees trump's new york state returns. he lives in new york. the bill is called tax returns uniformly made public or the trump act, leaving no doubt who it's aimed at. the sponsor joins me now. david k. johnson weighs in. the only journalist to publish part of hisetur in the past two deces and david corn back with us. you think you can do something that the congress is less likely to do with its republican control. >> absolutely, ari. we have a special role as donald trump's home state because he files his personal income taxes

here in new york. and the state department of taxation and finance can actually release his taxes at our request if we change the law. and we plan on doing that. >> at a minimum you'd get the state returns. would that tell you his total income for those years? >> it would indeed. everyone knows that a state return often reflects the federal return. wouldn't show us everything, probably, but we do know it would tell us a lot about tax shelters, how much income he reports, whether he has pass-through entities. most importantly, have some of the federal tax reform that his administration is proposing will benefit him and his family permly. >> -- personally. >> do you see this a local good governance new york issue or an international security issue given the questions on russia? >> i think it's both, frankly. but the issue of taxation and transparency is so fundamental to good government. donald trump shattered over 40 years' worth of tradition when he refused to release his

tax returns before the election. we now need as new yorkers to clean the mess up and we can do that with this legislation. >> david, you have a special history in this department. david k. johnson. my producer said which david. you're both special. some are more special than others. david k. johnson. you have published these returns in a partial manner. what do you think of this policy idea? >> there are certain legal problems with it. if the state of new york wants to pass it, it might stand up. there's been talk of requiring disclosure of returns as a condition of being on the ballot. i think federal preemption would thwart that. the underlying -- >> you're referring to something the supreme court has previously weighed in on which is that they're skeptical of efforts to shoe-horn extra requirements under running for office. >> right.

absolutely. >> go ahead. >> more baudlroadly, there is ae important issue here. trump has not even produced the innocuous audit letter, if it exists. given that he has over 530 entities and has made gifts to his children and grandchildren, he could be under a gift audit. one of his entities could be under audit. that he won't release the letters makes me suspicious. people who get audited as trump claims every single year usually get audited because the ooirs finds serious trum. we know in 1984 he committed tax fraud in new york when he filed a return showing a consulting business with no revenue and over $600,000 of expenses but no receipts of any kind, would not produce them. lo and behold, his tax guy, when he testified under oath said, gee, that's my signature on the

photocopy, the only return anybody has, but my firm and i didn't prepare that tax return. that's about as good evidence of tax fraud as you'll ever find. >> david corn, your view of this and the politics. because while the republican congress unlikely to do much, they're one vote away from the new york state senate, one vote shy of having a majority for this. >> it won't answer the big question, which is getting the federal tax return. the federal return will tell us a lot in terms of where his money is invested. there are over 500 llcs. he could be funneling many and all different ways. the sad thing is the new york state legislature has to step in where congressional oversight falls through. there are maybe 37 reasons for congress to be holding hearings or sending letters to the white house asking for information from donald trump's finances,

particular particularly his conflicts of interest. and they show no interest in doing that. they're not so busy now because they had to drop all the hillary investigations that there is no reason for anymore. i salute the new york legislature for stepping in. there is so much more to know about donald trump's finances. this is only the tip of the tip of the iceberg. >> representative hoylman -- hold on. you have david corn's tribute there, no small matter. >> i'll take it. >> there are some people he's written about who have not been as happy with him opining. the flip-side to the argument is there is something called a bill of attainer, a strict disfavored view of anything designed to target a specific citizen. yo literally named this bill as a citizen, trump. what about the idea that you are politically targeting the opponent. >> to be clear the bill is not named after trump. that's the ballot access requirement bill which is called the trump act. this bill which releases donald trump and all statewide elected

officials' state returns has no name. >> unlike, just to get clear, unlike the ballot bill, you're saying this one would target more than just the president's returns. >> it targets all statewide officials, governor to controller, attorney general and the lieutenant governor. as a matter of fact, all those officials routinely release their taxes to the public already. >> but not by a legal requirement. >> correct. but this is not a mandate anyhow. you don't have to run for office if you don't want to. >> you're saying you've opted into transparency. >> absolutely. >> david k. johnson, a chance to weigh in. >> the most important thing to keep in mind here is that, once we have trump's tax returns, if we ever get them, that's the beginning. you then audit them by going into the books and records. that tells you whose palms he greased in the middle east to get his deals there. how much he is paying to witch entities in china where we have serious interests. which russian oligarchs are putting money in his pocket.

so the returns are the beginning -- a stage in the process, but it's the books and records that really need to be gone after. the state of new york has plenty of authority to audit his books and records right now. >> and final quick question, david cay johnson. since receiving the anonymous material. have you gotten hints or dribs or drabs of more coming your way? >> i have not. one always hopes. i have always published my home address for the last 50 years, and occasionally people send me things. they usually turn out to be good stories when they do. >> could be a new segment we have. you've got mail with david cay johnson. david, brad and david, thank you so much. appreciate it. ahead, she cob the kuld be witness in the russia inquiry tomorrow. sally yates breaking her silence. up next i am joined by chris matthews hosting the live coverage of president obama receiving the profile of courage award at the jfk library.

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more courage in congress. it's been a hard two years for me. but i want to make the world a better place. >> congresswoman gabrielle giffords at the 2013 ceremony for the prestigious jfk profile in courage award. president obama has only appeared in public a handful of times since leaving office. tonight may be his most significant appearance when he comes out to accept this award. chris matthews will be leading msnbc's special coverage of the event tonight. he is the host of "hard ball" and the author of "jack kennedy, elusive hero" and "kennedy and nixon, the rivalry that shaped post war america." chris, as they say in the business let's play hard ball. i appreciate you joining. talk about the bond here between the obamas and the kennedy family. >> you know, it's interesting. the kennedys have never been able to sprinkle their magic

dust on anyone else. all the people who worked for them over the years. pierre salinger, tried to get elected to the senate in california. he was defeated. kenny o'donnell, ran for governor of massachusetts. all defeated in the first try. it's not been something they've been able to share, their magic, if you will. even their in-laws were not successful, like sergeant schrieber. they didn't particularly help him either. this was the first time, when they -- they basically gave the magic touch to obama back in the spring of '08 when caroline kenne kennedy wrote the op-ed piece in the "new york times" endorsing him saying her children were excited about him and that was the reason she had come forward. she and her uncle got together with patrick kennedy, congressman from rhode island

and gave the rousing endorsement before the maryland, virginia and d.c. primaries. it had a lot of influence. maybe not at home in massachusetts but certainly around the country. i think it was the first time they ever said, okay, we're going to pass the torch, to use the metaphor of jack kennedy and his inauguration. >> so many parallels are made to their style, the cool, calm, collected aspect. or in italian they call it the effortless grace. i want to play, for your response, president obama speaking about jfk here on the anniversary of his inauguration. >> president kennedy led with a steadying hand. defusing the most perilous crisis of the cold war without firing a single shot. enforcing the rights of young black men and women to attend the university of their choice. launching a core of volunteers as ambassadors for peace in

distant centers of the globe. >> several policies there. but what about this link on civil rights between the two? >> well, i have been working on another book on the kennedys. i have to tell you what bobby did with regard to university of mississippi, university of alabama in '62, '63. using federal troops and federal marshals in the other was real. there was tremendous resistance, particularly in mississippi at ole miss. you look at their football team and say, hey, were they once segregated? what's going on here? it seems absurd but it was. they didn't want the first student to go in. james meredith. the whole community tried to stop it, oxford, mississippi. they had to go in with federal troops. bobby led the way. that was real. malone and hood at alabama, they had to push george wallace out of the school door, school-house door. they had to do that. wasn't quite as tough, but they did it. they were the ones that did it.

jack kennedy, when he went on television in june of 1963, and said it's as american as the -- as our founding documents and as moral as the scriptures. he said this is it. martin luther king was blown away by it. nixon was the one who was very good on civil rights, a member of the naacp. friends of whitney young, friends of king. really tried to get rid of the filibuster law. nixon was very good as a quaker on civil rights. then blew it away when he decided he could get the white south in '60 and '61. >> what do you see briefly as the highlight tonight on your broadcast? >> the number one thing you said in the preview was this is going to be the first time -- president obama will speak to the whole country in a major speech since we have watched this whole trump mania going on now for months now. it's the first time he's gotten

to react to it. i assume he will. it may be cloaked but it will be pretty clear what he's talking about because it is the world of trump right now. we are living in his era. presidencies define eras and we're in the trump era right now and the resistance, of course, but it's the trump era. i think obama will have to respond to it. just think about it, the president of the united states called him sick. you know? he didn't mean it in a medical way. he meant there's something wrong with the guy, just as a slap at him. i think he may respond in kind, he may not. i don't think he will. i think he'll respond with great deliberation. he has had a lot of time to think about this speech. >> right. >> this will be an historic night. you were dead right on that. the history tonight will be made tonight. it won't just be commemorating it. it will be made tonight. >> because it is him stepping out. chris matthews you are the best teacher of politics, a life-long student of politics. thank you for sharing your thoughts. >> appreciate it. >> we'll watch tonight. stay with msnbc for the coverage

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senate inquiry. she came to attention this january when she was dramatically removed as acting ag after refusing to defend trump's travel ban in new york. >> to the growing fallout from president trump's immigration order. after the president had fired the nation's acting attorney general, a holdover from the obama administration, for refusing to defend that order. >> the travel ban was not the only tense issue with yates' time as a.g. that's a typical role, we should mention, where an official runs the doj until the president's nominee is actually confirmed. during that time she warned the trump white house about michael flynn's dealings with russian officials. trump aides also leaking that they were worried about flynn. everybody knows the white house said flynn lying to mike pence cost him his job. yates breaking her silence for the first time could add critical new details and recall that just one day offer flynn's

resignation sean spicer down played the incident. >> the acting attorney general informed the white house counsel that they wanted to give, quote, a heads-up to us on some comments that may have seemed in conflict with what the -- he had sent the vice president out in particular. >> tomorrow yates will tell her version of that, quote, heads-up. the hearing comes as the senate is also pushing for info on russia's contacts with carting page and paul manafort. matt miller, i gave some introduction to sally yates. you know her. give more context of her professional history and why she's become such an important figure. >> she is a career prosecutor. she is fearless, really, if you look at her background as a

prosecutor first in georgia and at maine justice. she put corrupt public officials of both parties in jail. she has prosecuted terrorists. she had a long, distinguished career before becoming deputy attorney general. what i think people will see from her tomorrow is the same thing that those of us who worked with her saw all the time, is that, you know, she is not afraid to make tough calls. she does what she thinks is right no matter the consequences. obviously everyone saw that when she decided -- she didn't believe the travel ban was constitutional, and so refused to defend it in court. >> let me ask you sometimes a stupid question helps, so i'll go ahead and ask you a stupid question. from your experience, do you think what she is going to try to do tomorrow is advance a political agenda or just tell the truth about what happened? >> not at all. i mean, she is not -- doesn't have a partisan bone in her body. she'll come out and, you know, try to set the record straight about what happened when she went and warned the white house about michael flynn. let's remember, the reason why

she warned the white house in the first place about mike flynn's conversations with the russian ambassador is because the white house wasn't being truthful about it. i think, what we saw afterwards is the white house not being truthful about her conversation. and i suspect tomorrow we'll see her clear that up, and it will be a problem for the white house. they'll have to come back and explain why sean spicer didn't tell the truth about that. >> dan, does that theory of the case check out with you, the idea being she has a lot to say and little to gain so her motives are far less impugned than other players? >> pretty much so. she is as close to an unimpeachable source in d.c. as you can get these days. she won't be spouting opinions. she'll just be telling what happened. this is a unique opportunity for us to find out how things actually happened. we actually have so little access to that most of the time. if the senators on the judiciary subcommittee can probe her effectively, say what happened then, what do you talk to then?

how did you findha out? why did you findhat out? and she is now in a positioto answer that, that will be terrific television. >> matt, from your time at doj, how unusual would it be for such a senior official to reach out proactively at the white house to basically, if you want to be negative, tattle. or if you want to be constructive, warn, about the doings of such a senior national security official? >> well, it's pretty unusual, but it's pretty unusual to have a national security adviser of the president be compromised by russian intelligence. so i think you would hope from the attorney general that, if there is ever a situation like that, that you would expect them to reach out to the white house and give them that warning. so yeah. it is unusual, but this is -- this entire situation is really without precedent. >> what you're saying is it's got to be really bad. >> yeah. yeah, that's right. remember, at the time the department of justice was investigating flynn. they had already -- the fbi had interviewed flynn. in fact, when sally yates gave that warning, she had -- if you

believe the press reports -- had considered warning them initially, as soon as they came out and said -- denied that he talked about sanctions with the ambassador. but then they waited because the fbi wanted to actually talk to him about t. it. he was actually under the investigation by the fbi. after they had the interview she felt comfortable about warning them. >> you'll have a front row person in the clown show. i hope they'll talk about how she responded to the news that flynn would be his national security adviser in the first place. the guy was -- had a reputation for being a hothead. he was -- he had gotten fired from his job at the defense information agency. he had been at the convention screaming for hillary to be locked up. i mean, the guy was clearly a loose cannon. i hope she'll be able to describe just how -- what she saw happening. because that -- trump team was -- is and was a disaster.

>> dan, final thought. if she can justifiably show or prove tomorrow how she gave them early warning about this russian compromising situation and then the public record suggests they did nothing about it for weeks, how bad is that for the trump white house? >> well, it's impossible to predict because nothing seems to stick to this guy, right? nothing. we report. nothing gets done. as long as the republicans in congress are behind him, though, he has tremendous power. so the point is, is there some line that he cannot cross with them. i think what you'll see is lindsey graham in the white house tomorrow trying to push sally yates to describe something closer and closer to that line. >> we'll be watching. thank you for your expertise. netflix announcing today it will greenlight another season of its most popular show in the company's history. it's called "13 reasons why." the show driving an explosion of

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settle in. because i'm about to tell you the story of my life. more specifically why my life ended. if you're listening to this tape, you're one of the reasons why. >> if you have listened to that tape you've seen the new drama "13 reasons why" which tracks a high schooler's account of why she said she killed herself. if you haven't listened to the tape your kids probably have. the show has set off tremendous interest online especially among young people. it's netflix' most popular show on social media ever with over 11 million tweets so far. it probes how one high schooler

took her life challenging her classmates from the grave. ♪ >> maybe you did something cool. or maybe you just watched it happen. >> the actress who plays the lead role says they wanted to show people there is a whole world after high school. >> there is life after whatever they're feeling. there is life after high school. there is life after that exam. there is life after that party or that photo or, you know, that boy. there is -- there's always going to be more. >> some students say the show is making them more thoughtful. >> i have started to, like, watch what i do all the time and make sure that, like, my actions don't negatively impact people. >> medical experts warn the show's graphic depiction of suicide and dramatic elevation of a post-suicide narrative is

risky. th unfortunately adult characters in the show do not show a sense of trust. this can be one of the risk factors that youth struggling with mental health conditions cite as a reason why they contemplate statewide. the series does not emphasize that common among most suicide deaths is the presence of treatable mental illnesses. suicide is not the simple consequence of stressors or coping challenges, it's a combined result of treatable mental illnesses and overwhelming stressors. netflix responded to concerns by issuing new viewer warnings before the first episode, also releasing a factual documentary piece "beyond the reasons" suggesting resources for viewers who need help. the public response to the show reveals the large interest in

the taboos it tackles. a key part of suicide prevention is personal access to care and willingness to get it. consider that one in five americans do have a diagnosable mental disorder but it takes roughly eight years from the onset of symptoms for people to get medical intervention according to the national alliance on mental illness. the delay can come from personal factors like the stigma or a patient's capacity to seek care or from policy factors like whether people, yes, have any access to a doctor at all. there is no doubt the debate is continuing. in fact, today netflix announced a second season of the show is coming with this trailer. >> we never got a note. we never got a reason. so now my daughter might as well be an acquaintance to me too. >> that's a clip from the first season, not the trailer. joining me now is dr. steven brock. a former president of the

college for teenage suicide and dana schwartz. dana from youth on out here. as our youngest journalist here, why the fascination among young >> the things that hanna goes through are relatable, and things people don't talk about. the way she is bullied online, and social media, and a morbid fascination. i watched it for 48 hours straight. you want to know. it gets more graphic. there is a morid curiosity. >> you finished twlaen hours in two days? >> maybe three. >> yes. >> take the bullying here, from early in the season, shows what this young woman was going through. >>. >> my god, seriously, justin?

why would you send that? the image was one taken of her with some clothes removed, sent around school is something that merritts attention. you have argued the positioning that as a cause of suricide, is a misnommer. >> exactly. i would hasten to add however, that bringing attention to the idee of bullying, cyber bullying, the fact that many young people are tethered to their device, and can't find a safe space to escape this kind of bullying. it presents us positive opportunities for discussions with our young people. when it comes to being viewed by vulnerable youth.

teenagers with depression, and traumatic stress and have suicidal idealation. it could trigger suicidal behavior. >> to the extent that they well thinking about susicide. graphic mass media portrayals, within "13 reasons why" increase those thoughts and i fear they may trigger behaviors. >> what do you think of the show? >> i think the show does a great job of looking at this from a young person's perspective this. is not the first time television tried to deal with youth suicide. i remember watching "suvive" when i was young.

"13 reasons why does that." looks at the perspective of all of those people affected who were young, hanna, clay, one of the other main characters, i don't think it talks down to young people. people appreciate that i understand the concerns about people, people say it glamorizes suicide. han abye issuing the cassette tapes, is you know, there is an idea that everybody will pay attention to you if you kill yourself. somehow, you are going to show everybody. this revenge fantasy, the show taps into that idea strongly. >> dana, you are shaking your head? >> if we are going to have a conversation with the show, what the show needs to address. suicide is not your method of it willing your bullies, i told you so. beyond the grave, they have to

feel the guilt and wrestle what they did wrong. suicide is a way to hurt the people that love you. and not get back at who hurt you. >> parent there is a scene of the mother discussing that look at that. >> it is about how every person whether what they did seemed small or large, how all of it together, builds up in certain people and can lead them to do something like take their own life. >> to the control, play the clip with the mother, speaking. the fourth one. take a look. >> i have never got a note. we never got a reason. so, now, my daughter might as well be an acquaintance to me, too. >> that is the mother speak bulldog that frustration to

another character. believe on, the show is art. it is going to do what it does. in the organization that you used to run, does it go too far, the revenge fantasy? >> yes, it does. i agree with jen and dana's comments, 100% right on with their concerns. i would add to that, in addition to what i have oftened about the unsafe messages surrounding suricide. the fact that it provides a graphic, explicit portrayal of the act of suicide. from what we know about a phenomenon known as suicide contanlgon, where one suicide leads to another. the graphic portrayals, dethey are associated with contanlgon. >> there is no release or break from the life of high school. because of the digital nature of

people's lives. dan awe have a stat here, teens spending nine hours of every day, consuming media. they their waking hours are in a social environment or a socially mediated environment. do we have an understanding as adult d. adults, we know high school was a lot if we got through it, without all of this? . >> i grew up hearing the internet is not real life. that is not true. it is where we do most of our socializing, the show does a great job. the where i think the show falter, giving 13 reasons specific to bullying event, not addressing depression that can be treated. >> if people think they need help for themselves or a loved one, what should they do? >> there are a number of hot line numbers, 13 reasons why, at

the end of the series, provides linkages to that and information document, available at www.naskonline.com. >> doctor brock, thank you all for joining us in this discussion. "meet the press" is next.

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