of "msnbc live." i'm hallie jackson. and i'll be back all week and online. you can see facebook, twitter, instagram and snapchat new pics up there as well. now i'm turning it over to my colleague chris jansing on this gorgeous d.c. day. >> great to have you back. thank you so much, haley. right now on "msnbc live," what will sally yates say? we'll soon find out when the former acting attorney general takes the hot seat answering questions about russia and what she told the white house about michael flynn before she was cut loose by the president. trump tweeting some shade earlier this morning ahead of yates highly anticipated testimony. also at the capitol, health care shifts to the senate. but the debate on the highly controversial house gop plan isn't cutting it with the number of senate republicans. one, even vowing to start from scratch. and france goes with macron, defeating le pen in the

election. we are joined live to discuss how they turned the tide against a wave of nationalism across the west. good morning, everyone. i'm chris jansing in washington, d.c. and we do start with a highly-anticipated hearing on capitol hill in the russian meddling in the 2016 presidential election. sally yates will talk publicly about her warnings to the trump white house about former national security adviser michael flynn and his contacts with russia's ambassador even if the obama administration imposes new sanctions on russia. later she would be fired by president trump. on january 31st for refusing to enforce his controversial travel ban. now she's expected to fill in key details of the chain of events that led to the ousting of flynn early in the weeks of the trump administration. >> she is very widely respected.

and she apparently has some information as to who knew what when. >> yates is scheduled to appear in a few hours before a senate judiciary subcommittee chaired by senator lindsey graham, never one to shy away from colorful statements. and we're already hearing from president trump via twitter about yates' testimony. we have it all covered with our nbc correspondents and a panel of experts. and we'll start on the hill with nbc's mike havevaquero. a holdover from the obama administration, what was it, take us back, about her ever-so-brief time at the head of the justice department that brought us to this hearing today. >> well, good morning, chris. it's also important to note that sally yates is a career prosecutor, seen as nonpolitical, though she did serve in the obama administration and was the acting attorney general as you stated for ten days at the outset of the trump administration before she was fired over an unrelated issue on the president's immigration executive orders.

but the essential question this morning or this afternoon and about three hours' time here on capitol hill on the senate side before the senate intelligence subcommittee, is what did salary yates say to the administration, say to don mccann, the white house counsel, just five days into the administration, when she warned him in some capacity about the statements of michael flynn? recall now that it was flynn, we established and talked to the russian ambassador during the transition. sergey kislyak, it turned out to be something more than that, that flynn had spoken with kislyak, that the administration was slapping more sanctions on russia about their actions in ukraine. flynn allegedly telling kislyak not to worry about it and they would handle it when the trump administration came in.

yates goes to mccann and says, it was just a holiday greeting when he had the conversation with kislyak. which could potentially lead the national security adviser michael flynn open to nonetheless than blackmail. now the white house says the conversation that yates and mccann had was more or less just a heads-up, so that's the essential disagreement. the discrepancy here that the committee is digging into, chris. >> mike, thank you to you. now to peter alexander at the white house. this was on the mind of the president this morning. he's had a busy morning on twitter. what can you tell us, spipeter? >> reporter: we have heard from the white house in the way they would frame this in advance of sally yates' testimony is that yates as they described it was politicizing this issue, that's effectively what we heard from the president on twitter. already this morning, we'll put the tweets up for you. he wrote that general flynn was given the highest security clearance by the obama administration, but the fake news as he describes it, seldom

likes talking about that. notably, the president, president obama, fired michael flynn who was then rehired under donald trump going forward. separately, donald trump today tweets, ask sally yates under oath if she knows how classified information got into the newspapers soon after she explained it to the white house council. that's don mccann, and president trump is going after sally yates, attacking her integrity on this issue, even in advance of her testimony today, chris. >> in the middle of all this, there's sure to be news out of this testimony, peter. we have this visit coming up, tell us what the mood is there at the white house about all of this? >> reporter: well, we're anticipating the meeting will take place between sergey lavrov, the foreign minister of russia, and it will also occur with the secretary of state, rex tillerson, the topics we are being notified of they will discuss will include ukraine but most certainly syria will be high on the list as well as

there has been continued pressure from the u.s. on russia for the role that russia played in the civil war taking place in those attacks, specifically the chemical weapons attacks on individuals inside syria. chris? >> nbc's peter alexander at the white house where a lot is going on. we have so much to talk about. let's bring in msnbc national security analyst evelyn farkus who work in the obama administration, former fbi agent clint watts who testified before the senate intelligence committee in march on how russia influenced the presidential election and then how candidate-trump would cite russian fake news. and we also have "the washington post" terrorism reporter greg miller who reported new details this weekend how michael flynn was warned by trump transition officials about his contacts with russia's ambassador. so much to talk about. evelyn, we'll start here, there were reports back in march that the trump administration previously tried to block her,

yates, from testifying. they have denied that, but what may she know that could be troublesome for michael flynn and the white house? >> first of all, she would know, not just the fact that flynn lied about the content of his conversation to the vice president, but she would also know potentially if there was an investigation going on, a counter intelligence investigation, to see whether general flynn was an agent for a foreign government, the russian government or maybe the turkish government even. so i think she would know more about what investigations were ongoing with regard to general flynn. now, she probably won't be able to talk about that today because that is still classified. she also might know whether the -- what the response was from the general council and what the council told the president. i think what is worrying here is for some reason after the general council -- >> let me interrupt you, if i can. we have exclusive reporting from the team, peter alexander is

standing by, what can you tell us? >> reporter: this is breaking news that kristen welker and myself confirmed according to at least three former obama administration officials. we have now confirmed that president trump during that 90-minute oval office meeting that took place with president obama here at the white house, less than 48 hours after president trump won, when he was then president-elect trump, was warned by president obama against hiring mike flynn. this is a piece of information that has not been reported before. it is notable because as we have heard from president trump over the course of the last several days and weeks, attacking the obama administration as recent as today, with those tweets, attacking the obama administration effectively for hiring mike flynn, it's notable that the obama administration, the president ultimately had fired flynn, he was then serving at the dia at the time, but that this information was provided to donald trump in that closed forum, another element of that conversation we know about is

that president obama warned then president-elect trump about the concerns regarding north korea. all of this, the backdrop for sally yates' testimony to take place later this afternoon. we have reached out to the white house for any response. we have not yet heard back, but when we do, we will report that to you. again, just to be very clear about this, nbc news has now learned from at least three former obama administration officials that president obama at the time, it was on thursday, november 10th, warned then president-elect donald trump against hiring mike flynn. chris? >> all right. we're going to have peter stand by. as soon as he gets any reaction from the white house, we'll go back to him. but greg miller from the "washington post," you have been following this so very closely, minute by minute, your reaction to what we just heard? >> i think that sounds like, you know, this is just another flag. there were all these warning flags about flynn, that the trump administration ignored or pushed aside in hiring him and

putting him in that position. and, you know, i think it's just crazy in some ways that this many months later we're still learning all of these new things about mike flynn and how problematic that pick was. >> but clinton, part of the question is, why did it take so long? i mean, for all of this to sort of unfold, what is your reaction to this exclusive reporting from our white house team over at nbc news, that, in fact, president trump was warned about this personally by president obama, warned again hiring mike flynn? >> who didn't warn president trump about general flynn? if you look back now, we have accounts from both republicans and democrats leading up through the campaign and even into the new administration where they provided warning of this. you have yates going to testify today. she's probably going to address this point. you have president obama who provided warnings. you have people inside the trump campaign and the future

administration that warned about this. and yet none of them, none of those cautions were taken on by president trump. and yet this morning he's trying to put blame on president obama who actually fired general flynn. so it doesn't matter where the warning came from, president trump didn't seem to want to hear it. >> greg, as you reported over the weekend, top transition officials were so alarmed that flynn didn't understand the russian ambassador's motives. they asked top obama administration officials for the cia's profile on ambassador kislyak. you do wonder what answers they were looking for, and didn't they already have some suggestion about this given what we're learning? >> i think these were officials part of the initial trump transition team. they were trying to make michael flynn snap out of it. he was talking about meetings with the russian ambassador. these are people sitting around the table with him saying,

seriously, do you understand the russia problem we just had with our election? do you understand the russian problem that president trump has and repeated praise for putin and you're doing this meeting? you have to think about this more carefully. and i think they are trying to get material from the cia to put in front of flynn and say, at least sit down and read this and understand who you're dealing with. >> evelyn, how much ammunition, if i can put it that way, do you think this gives democrats who have seen something nefarious happening here, and now are getting this additional information -- >> a huge amount, chris. i mean, the fact that the outgoing president says to the incoming president, don't hire this guy, we're worried about him, i'm worried about him, that is not just because he's a poor manager, which is the reason extensively he was fired by president obama's team. that's telling me that president obama was aware that there were real concerns that general flynn was a russian agent. i mean, we're talking a spy. we haven't seen anything like this ever before.

that someone like that could get so close to the incoming president and be sitting in the white house for 24 days. >> so clint, obviously a key part of this is the intercepts, right? the information that caused her to go and express her concerns to the white house. would she know or might she know from those intercepts whether or not flynn voluntarily decided to raise issues of sanctions with the russian ambassador or maybe even was instructed to do that by president-elect trump or somebody in his inner circle? >> i don't think it will go that far. i think what she was doing was providing notice that, hey, we have an issue with this individual. we have been looking into these things. he's not been honest it appears with the fbi and was not honest with the vice president. and you need to be aware the white house needs to be aware to what is happening to people in your administration. and general flynn is say, i have a story to tell. but why would we believe

anything of the story at this point? he wasn't honest to investigators and wasn't honest to the vice president. and at the same point, when you look back to this, he's supposed to be the head of the counter intelligence for the u.s. military but yet repeatedly made mistakes that are basic mistakes. things you're taught from the very beginning when you enter the military. so it's becoming very curious why this pattern goes back several months. and we just see it coming up again and again. and that the president and his inner circle didn't seem to want to address it. >> peter, let me go back to you as we get this new reporting in from nbc news, and sort of set the tone for us as we wait to get reaction from the white house to this information. are you looking at your blackberry because you think you might have something there? >> reporter: we have not heard from the white house but we are still getting information. i'm willing to answer any questions, go ahead, chris. >> i know you're in con up substantiate contact with sources at the white house. how concerned were they before

the new piece of information came out about sally yates' testimony today? >> reporter: well, the bottom line as we have heard from folks familiar with the white house's thinking, they believe yates is politicized and believe the whole issue has been politicized. that's why over the course of the last several weeks and months specifically, we have heard the president try to focus on the issue of leaks and the idea of unproper, improper unmasking and not on the very basis of the actual russia investigation and whatever role michael flynn may have played. sources familiar with sally yates' plans say she's prepared to talk today about the fact that flynn was, as it was described to me, potentially compromised because of the relationship he had, the contacts he had with russia's ambassador. it's worth noting as we talk about this new information being reported first here by nbc news, is that the warning that president obama delivered to president trump on november 10th in the oval office, effectively warning him against hiring,

cautioning him against hiring michael flynn as his national security adviser, that warning predated concerns inside the government about contacts between flynn and sergey kislyak, the russian ambassador. so the first people who said it to president trump were the president himself, president obama who gave him the warning early on. the bottom line here is this white house is trying to focus on some of its successes, certainly after that rose garden celebration they had last week about health care, the last thing they want to be talking about today and one that i'm told by multiple members of this white house, the issue that bothers the president most is this focus on russia. and yet again, it will steal the headlines on this day. >> and the credibility on this issue as well, peter. the white house said flynn was forced to resign because of the trust issue as we said, the president gradually lost faith in flynn for misleading vice president pence, but just as a

reminder, i want to play with the white house chief of staff reince priebus said on "meet the press qu press" back on february 19th. >> our legal counsel got a heads-up from sally yates that something wasn't adding up with his story. so then our legal department went into a review of the situation. the legal department came back and said that they didn't see anything wrong with what was actually said. >> greg miller, what are the chances that what sally yates says today contradicts both what reince priebus said there and other members of the administration said that were similar? >> i say highly likely. there are a lot of things sally yates can't discuss today because they remain classified, but i think a lot of people expect her to be fundamentally at odds with these characterizations from the white house, reince priebus and others that really minimize the warning that she provided. i mean, this was a serious step, the acting attorney general coming into the white house council and saying, off problem

with your national security adviser. that's hard to think of anything more serious than that. >> yeah, i suppose that in the end, one of the things that is going to be a critical question, that they will want to get answered here today, evelyn, is why? even without this new information that we have, why was flynn allowed to stay on the national security adviser position for 17 days. >> right. we have to look at this in context, we're focused on sally yates and general flynn, but there are like eight or nine people not counting the president himself that have the ongoing relationships with russia that are murky and he's constantly, the president is still defending himself and his team and general flynn, even after he fired him. >> let me ask you finally, clint, before we wrap up here, what is the one thing that you want to come out of this? what do you want to hear today? >> i want to hear when the warnings actually happened. and i want to hear what the white house staff's reaction was to that. if they were repeatedly notified as we heard from the chief of

staff, that i looked into this and found nothing to it, well, it appears the inner circle is the only one that did not find something to it. everyone on the outside, whether the senate, the house or ultimately it will be the department of defense who has been looking into this, everyone has found something to it. the fbi investigation, you know, why is it everyone else came to this conclusion yet on the inside they were blind to it? the reason the trump administration has these problems is they didn't vet the people they brought into their house. >> all right. i want to thank evelyn farkus, clint watts and greg miller. and obviously, peter alexander, here and kristen welker reportedly exclusively that former president obama warned donald trump against hiring michael flynn as his national security adviser. three obama administration officials are confirming that. much more throughout the day as we lead to the critical testimony on the hill. but coming up, the hard sell back home. house republicans are getting an

earful from constituents after that close first vote to repeal and replace obamacare. congressman lou meyer who voted yes joins me for what this means for the people in his party in the home state of missouri. plus, a look at the wider ramifications of the france presidential vote of the party over the alt-right.

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we are following breaking news that came to us via the nbc news team. we are told that president obama actually warned president donald trump against hiring michael flynn as his national security adviser. this coming on a critical day at the hill when the former acting attorney general sally yates will be answering questions about all this. the warning that was not previously reported came just about 48 hours after the november election. you'll remember that president, then president obama and then president-elect trump sat down for the 90-minute meeting in the oval office, much more on this to come. but now, to health care. a glimpse of what some house republicans are facing back in their districts over the new gop health care plan. take a listen. >> you cannot do this to us. and to our children. you're doing a death panel. >> you're killing us! you're killing us! shame on you!

>> the senate convenes in just a few hours. and republicans there say health care reform is going to take some time. >> the senate is starting from scratch. we're going to draft our own bill. and i'm convinced that we're going to take the time to do it right. >> i think what has happened is not dead on arrival, not taking the house bill and bringing it to the floor, but taking what the house was able to do, looking at that carefully and coming up with what the senate thinks the senate can do. >> joining me now is republican congressman blayne lukameyer from missouri. thank you for being with us. >> thank you for the invitation. >> according to the news report, a small group of people showed up outside your washington, missouri, office friday protesting your "yes" vote against the ahca.

i know you haven't had a town hall so far. >> i have a lot of meetings throughout the district. i've had over 1,000 meetings over the last several years here. and we found the best way to connect with constituents is through town halls and individual meetings. we offered opportunities for those folks you saw outside my door to have individual meetings with me and they turned those down. as a result, whenever they are willing to meet with me one-on-one, we are more than happy to do that. but until then, i have an opportunity to go to a lot of other events and meet with lots of other folks like this past weekend. and this past weekend, my vote was overwhelmingly supported by the people at all the events that i attended over the weekend. >> so you don't have any concerns about not allowing people to come in and group and ask you questions about something that affects every single one of their lives? >> well, no, i have offered that opportunity to them to come to the office on a small group basis so we can sit down to have an intelligent conversation where we are able to have a

dialogue rather than a shouting match as you have seen some of the events turn into. that's the difference, we need to find a way to talk together in aproductivie fashion. >> according to the department of health and human services, the number of people who did not have health insurance in missouri dropped from 13.2% in 2010 to 9.8% in 2015 under obamacare. 203,000 people gaining coverage during that time. under the repeal and replace house bill, the center for american progress estimates in your district alone, 51,400 non-elderly people will lose coverage, and that includes 1100 adults, 6,000 children, 1,300 people with disabilities and 17,000 covered under medicaid expansion. what go you say to them? >> i don't think the numbers are correct. i believe what we are going to do is enhance the bill to enable people to get health care. right now the health care is collapsing, obamacare is totally

falling apart. you look at what is happening in iowa, they are losing 94 of the 99 counties that will have no coverage whatsoever. you're looking at virginia, unof the big companies just pulled out or will shortly. you look at kentucky, 16 different counties -- >> do you know that people in your district gained coverage? >> yes, with the new program we'll have more people to have coverage. >> they did under obamacare, yes. >> if obamacare continues to implode, what you'll find is more and more people have no coverage. they have nothing whatsoever. as evidence by the fact that companies are pulling out right now. you see this all across the country. you see it imploziding and collapsing as we have seen. as we have done with the health care bill is provide people with the opportunity to go back in and work with their doctors for their own care to actually take care of themselves in a personal way. where the government and insurance company get in the middle of this and tell us what

they can and cannot do. i have a lot of folks encouraged by what we're doing. they believe we're going to be able to provide care at a better price and more opportunities for them. so we're looking forward to this bill getting through the senate and signed by the president. >> there's no doubt there are places like virginia where there are problems with obamacare and problems with coverage. there are also a number of studies and one i would cite would be s&p that looks at issues that give people advice on how to invest. they said when they looked at blue cross blue shield, a major provider, that 2016 was a marked improvement over previous years for most insurers, and, in fact, that in 2017, the aca individual market is not, quote, in a death spiral. according to analysis there. so i know republicans like to keep saying that, but there are contradictory evidence, congressman. >> well, i disagree with you again, i'm sorry. given an example, one of my

colleagues gave the new health care bill to one of the insurance companies and said, tell us what the premiums would be under this new plan. and on this company's plan, a 58% increase next year. 58%. and they said, under this new plan, we'll be at 10%. we'll be at a 10% decrease from the 58% increase. now, that is going in the right direction allowing more people to have access to care. tell me that we're going to have more people covered with a 58% increase in insurance premiums on top of last year's 40% to 50% increase. that's unbelievable. so i think what we have done is we're looking to try to drive down the cost and encourage more people to take advantage of the program. more people are going to be discouraged by what is going on with obamacare and not take out the planks as they continue to have less access. i can tell you story after story of people in my district who have problems trying to get access to care. i have a gentleman who has a spinal condition who came up to me and said, i have a doctor that is a half a state away that

i have to go to for my care for my spine disorder. and i'm losing coverage right now because obamacare's health care company is leaving. i can't get coverage under the doctor that takes care of me any longer. how is that care? how is that coverage? this person's exposed under our new plan with pre-existing conditions all covered, we are in good shape. this individual will have coverage, will have access to care. >> congressman blaine luetkemeyer, thank you. i appreciate it. >> my pleasure. we are confirming that former president obama warned donald trump against hiring michael flynn. and this happened just days after the election. let's go to nbc's kristen welker. we understand that now the west wing is responding? >> reporter: they're responding, chris, and they are not denying that the conversation took place. i just spoke to a number of top officials here, one says, look, it is true that former president

obama didn't have great things to say about mike flynn. but the thinking from then president-elect trump was, why would he have anything good to say about mike flynn? this is someone who had been essentially campaigning against obama, against hillary clinton, obviously, the candidate who former president obama had endorsed. now, another official makes the point that then president-elect trump thought that the comment was not necessarily based in substance, that it was more light-hearted. and yet another official raises this point, if former president obama was so concerned about mike flynn, why didn't he revoke his security clearance? we know that mike flynn serve in the obama administration. he was fired, but he continued to have his security clearance. so the administration not denying that conversation took place, chris, which i think is the bottom line here, but they are trying to downplay it to say from the perspective of

president-elect trump, he didn't think at the time that it was a substantive warning. having said all of that, we did speak with a number of top officials from the obama administration who say just the opposite, that it was, in fact, a substantive warning that took place during that first 90-minute conversation they had here in the oval office. chris, it lets you know just how heated the backdrop is as sally yates prepares to testify this afternoon. >> without a doubt, her much-anticipated testimony. kristen welker reporting the breaking news. thank you so much for that. meantime, jury selection beginning today in the trial of a tulsa police officer who shot and killed an unarmed man, terrence crutcher, has he held up his hands next to his broken down suv. the immediate aftermath caught on camera. how it can all play out in court, next. what's that?

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just moments ago jury selection began in the manslaughter trial of tulsa police officer betty shelby. we do want to warn you, some people may find this video disturbing. cameras were rolling when shelby fatally shot 40-year-old terrence crutcher last september. officers were called to the scene of a broken down suv

blocking traffic and crutcher was at the side of the vehicle walking away from the officers with his hands apparently up. that's when officer shelby fired her gun while another officer simultaneously shot him with a taser. in a 60-minute interview, shelby said crutcher ignored multiple commands and thought he was reaching for a gun. shelby also said crutcher was acting erratically. police later said he was unarmed. crutcher's sister tiffany disputed officer shelby's claims. >> i'm feeling that his intent is to do me harm and keep thinking, don't do this. please don't do this. don't make this happen. and right there, he's looking back at me. that's what we call targeting. so he's getting my position, my last known location to retrieve and then shoot. >> the window was up, he was unarmed, he was moving slow, he

was not a threat, he was not a fleeing felon. they had helicopters, multiple cops, they treated him like he was a new york bomber. and the new york bomber's live right now. he's live, but my brother is dead. >> joining me now, minneapolsnb legal correspondent, ari melber. the cases are emotional but let's talk about the law. what law governs police use of force? >> well, the supreme court helps evaluate what a reasonable officer would do in that situation, which is so crucial in this case, it's the reasonableness of a particular use of force must be judged from the perspective of a reasonable office on the scene. that's relevant, chris, to what you just showed, which was the officer trying to explain what she was thinking and how she thought this might have been targeting, that he might have been reaching for something. that's her state of mind. but the jury here in this trial that's beginning today will ultimately have to decide

whether they were reasonable determinations. this case is, when you look at the overhead video and how many people were surrounding the individual, you look at the individual unarmed and with the hands in the air, this is one of the more egregious situations from a law enforcement perspective, it's what they call a bad shot. that's a shot you shouldn't have taken knowing all the facts. was it a criminal shot? was it illegal? that's what the jury will decide. >> how common are on-duty police shootings? she said that's the only time she's fired her gun. and are police officers ever charged for crimes if it's judged that they shoot, i guess, indiscrimina indiscriminately? >> the debate that was big during the presidential election, both candidates commenting on this incident and many of these have gotten more attention with video. the video evidence and the attention we have seen hasn't changed the underlying numbers. about 900 to 1,000 shootings per year according to the former officer that tracks this stuff. 2% or less of these officers are ever charged with murder or manslaughter. and then out of that, only about

a third of those are ultimately convicted. which works out to less than 1% of the total incidents. now, that's not to say that any of them you can pre-judge. most officers never discharge their firearms. many that do, do so in a lawful manner. but it is very rare to see a jury return a conviction. >> last week the tulsa fraternal order fired an ethics complaint against the d.a. because they thought he unethically rushed to charge officer shelby before all the critical evidence was provided and reviewed. how typical is it for a police union to file this complaint against a prosecutor? >> that's a fair question. that is fairly unusual, we have seen that in the case and the idea of some sort of allegation with the attention on this forcing the prosecutor's hand. look, these are getting a lot of attention, it's something i hear from law enforcement sources all the time. people feel that now everyone is always on the lookout for a bad situation and that then prosecutors feel they need to respond to that. the flip side of that argument, chris, is of course prosecutors

are always under public pressure and it is usually in the other direction. it's to catch criminals who aren't in uniform. it's to go out and make the calls and prosecutors often make tough calls. the other story we're following is prosecutor sally yates talking about the calls they have to make. there's nothing new about a prosecutor in a tough situation. the ethics committee complains they don't have evidence that suggests who litization. the jury will hear the evidence and we'll see what they do. >> ari melber, always great to talk to you, my friend, thank you. up next, france refuses the far right in the historical presidential election. the wider implication and the latest on the 11th hour hack to influence the outcome. that's straight ahead. david. what's going on? oh hey! ♪ that's it? yeah. ♪ everybody two seconds! ♪ "dear sebastian, after careful consideration of your application, it is with great pleasure that we offer our congratulations on your acceptance..."

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landslide victory over far-right candidate marine le pen. 66% to 34%. last night le pen conceded the race and took a defiant stance. [ speaking foreign language ] >> that tone leaving many to ask the question, what's next? joining me now from paris, msnbc contributor chris dickey, the news editor for "the daily beast." good to see you, chris, a lot of people are watching this to see how it might reflect what happens here in the united states, how might it not, how might it reflect brexit, how might it not? what is your analysis of what we saw here? >> well, you know, in fact, you can look at this almost like a proxy battle between president trump and his predecessor obama.

because obama at one point explicitly endorsed macron. and at another point, you had trump saying very nice things about le pen. basically, le spepen represents someone who will break up the european union. someone who is very friendly to russia. someone who will deconstruct as bannon likes to say, the old models of society and organization in the world, even if it's just because she's pursuing a policy that relies on fear and anger and nostalgia. the thing with macron is, he wants to build the institutions and make europe stronger. and he's also on certain issues, particularly climate change, he's very much like obama. in fact, i don't know if you saw it, but there's a video that he put out back in february fairly early in the campaign in english where he's talking to an american audience and is talking

to american scientists and researchers and says, i no e that trump doesn't believe you and doesn't like you and doesn't want to support research into climate change. come to france. france is your nation. france is a place where you can work. so i would say there are all kinds of parallels between the american and the french scene. obviously, there are a lot of particularities as well. but for an american audience, it's important to understand what the similarities are. >> you and i stood not far from where you're stand right now in the climate session in paris. but i want to look more closely at where this relationship goes now. this is the second largest economy in europe. obviously, an important ally to the united states. and even though president trump had said nice things about marine le pen, he did tweet, congratulations to emmanuel macron on his big win today as the next president of france. i look very much forward look to working with him.

as outsiders, they were newcomers to the political scene. they had not worked their way up through the political system. what do you imagine their first meeting will be like or what their relationship will be like goingforward? >> well, not to delve too much into the internal politics of the white house, but i think there are plenty of people in the trump white house, i could name say jared kushner and ivanka trump, who will find it pretty easy to work with macron, who have almost similar backgrounds and ambitions. i'm not sure that macron and president trump himself will get along all that well. but i think, i know that he understands perfectly that he has to work with the united states and try and especially pursue, for instance, counterterror policies that there's a lot of coordination, a lot of mutual support in counterterrorism between france and the united states already. and i think he'll want to pursue that and encourage that and

build on that. it will be other issues like climate change where they're going to have big differences and eventually trade could be a problem because although he's portrayed as a free trade candidate, he believes that europe should be protected. not france, but europe should be protected, and that could cause problems with the united states. >> chris docky, always good to see you. thank you so much. we're keeping an eye on news broke first this hour. former president obama advising president trump against hiring michael flynn. will it raise the stakes for today's testimony by sally yates? that's next.

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we're back now with more on that breaking news we've been following. just this hour, nbc news exclusively reporting that president obama himself warned donald trump against hiring mike flynn as his national security adviser. it happened when the two of them sat down in the oval office right after the november election. i'd like to bring in senior political editor mark murray, and of course, this is happening, a big day on capitol hill. sally yates had been the acting attorney general, testifying. what could be the implications for that testimony? >> chris, it really just returns michael flynn back into the news for the trump white house. and again, michael flynn was dismissed as national security adviser. the trump white house has a new national security adviser that's been placed now for months. but when you look back at the

totality of the trump presidency, which still isn't four months old yet, you continue to see how michael flynn as tapped by being the national security adviser has produced damaging headline after headline for the trump white house. and then i think it's going to culminate in this afternoon's testimony with sally yates. now, as my colleagues peter alexander and kristen welker have reported, the trump white house has pushed back in saying, well, if michael flynn was so problematic, why didn't the obama white house revoke his security clearance? they're trying to push back on that. still, a tough story for the trump white house. >> all right, mark. big implications for capitol hill on the fallout over health care reform. there's a six-figure ad buy that gets under way today, targeting house republicans who voted in favor of the bill to repeal and replace obamacare. it's by an advocacy group, save my care. they're launching the tv and digital ads against 24 republicans. joining the conversation, caitlin owens, health care

reporter for axiose. mark murray is still with us. let's start with the numbers. because you're so good at that. democrats would need to gain 24 seats to take back the house, and the new york times is reporting democrats think the best way to do that is to target 23 republican districts hillary clinton won and dozens more where trump is now deeply unpopular. tell us a little more about this strategy. >> yeah, chris. normally, a midterm environment is where the party that's out of power is on the offensive. you end up just looking at history, where if you control the white house and congress, you are usually going to have a very tough midterm environment. and where the health care legislation comes in to practice is that this could be key to tv ads, you just played one. where democrats continue to say that a certain member of congress ended up voting for legislation that takes away your health care coverage or might take it away. and of course, when we see the republicans end up having a defense on this, but still, this

seems at this very, very early stage to start setting up an environment we saw in 2010 when republicans took back the house of representatives. >> i want to come back to you about some of the things that those republican members of the house are saying. they just said it here on this air. they said it since they passed it on friday. but caitlin, if i go to you now, all of this lands in the lap of the senate. obviously, they have a very different approach to things. >> yeah, thanks for having me, chris. in the senate, first of all, they're watching everything that's happened in the house. they're seeing all these town halls, the reaction over the weekend. and i think their goal in the senate is more moderate. they have a lot of people who have to be elected state-wide. they're watching the backlash and they're going to try to avoid some of the land mines around pre-existing conditions and medicaid and the tax cuts. >> and it does seem like in terms of timing, there couldn't be more differences in their approach because it was clear that the house republicans really wanted to get this done. they saw it as a key promise that they made to their

constituents. senators are indicating they're going to take their good old time. >> i think that is true. they're going to take the time they need to have this in a place, where remember, they need 50 votes. they can only lose two. they're not going to see a need to rush. >> obviously, part of all this that's playing into it, mark, as you said, is concerns we have heard voiced by members of the constituents of members of the house, let me play for you what congressman tom reed of new york had to say. he got some really rowdy crowds at a couple of his town halls. take a listen. >> it's starting to open up. it takes the mandates off, that one size fits all approach, and starts relieving that type of approach to health care. and allow people to be empowered and allow states some flexibility if they can come up with a better way to start undoing what is being caused by the laws that exist today. >> mark, you have been looking into this. what are some of the recurring claims that aren't passing the dest? >> when you talk about flexibility, one of the big

claims is that with the bill does with pre-existing conditions, is that people will end up having more affordable health care coverage. that's a claim that hhs secretary tom price said on "meet the press" yesterday. and when you look inside the numbers and the flexibility that was given to the states, well, that could actually make coverage for people with pre-existing conditions have a more unaffordable and costlier care, potentially. >> mark murray, caitlin owens, thanks to both of you. thank you for watching this hour of msnbc live. i'm chris jansing in washington. more on the breaking news that president obama warned trump against hiring michael flynn, right now on andrea mitchell reports. >> and right now on andrea mitchell reports, red alert. breaking news. nbc news reporting that president obama warned president-elect trump about mike flynn's russian connections, and trump hired flynn as his top foreign policy adviser anymore.