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white house, we're waiting any second now. we're going to have this briefing from general mcmaster and i'm sure the white house is waiting to respond to us. thank you for watching. ill eel see you back here tomorrow night 6:00 p.m. eastern. "hardball with chris matthews with more on this breaking ball right now. >> loose lips, let's play hardball. >> good evening, i'm chris matthews in washington. he's going to run his mouth on what he just said to the russians. you think it can't get worse, catch this, when trump was meeting with the only people who were taking his side on the russian thing, as he calls it, foreign minister and ambassador, he blew the cover to terrorist plot in the middle east. the washington post is reporting tonight that by doing so in his meeting last week, trump jeopardized critical sources of
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intelligence on isis. the very terrorist organization he swear he was going to bring down. what about those tapes. if he really did record his conversation with exfbi director, can the tapes be subpoenaed now, can the congress demand them before the supreme court the way it cracked the water gate case. president trump revealed highly classified information and senior officials had to scramble to contain the damage. the washington post reports the partner never gave permission for us to share that material, for the president to do so. one u.s. official said revealed more information to the russian ambassador that we've shared with our own allies. trump seemed to be boasting about his inside knowledge of the looming threat. most alarming, officials said trump revealed the city where the u.s. intelligence partner detected a threat was headed. and that information could be used by the russians to identify the u.s. ally who gave us the
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information. nbc news is not independently verified the post report. we're waiting to hear from national security adviser hr mcmaster, he'll be briefing reporters. for more i'm joined by steve schmi schmidt, opinion writer jonathan and also with the washington post is white house bureau chief, phil ruker. this is a hell of a scoop. the times is jumping on it, too. >> it's being confirmed left and right. it's a remarkable development and good reporting by my colleagues. it speaks to the recklessness with which president trump is treating the intelligence information that he is receiving on a daily basis. one important detail in the story, if any normal citizen, anybody else in the government had done what president trump did in that meeting with the russians, it would be illegal. he's, of course, protected because he's president of the united states and can, therefore, deem information to be unclassified. >> what goes around, comes around. this was used against hillary clinton. the ironny, fact, the crazy
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irony, this is what the republicans tied around hillary clinton's neck for a couple of years, she would expose highly classified information to the world. in this case this guy is giving it to the russians firsthand. >> it's incredible. the ineptitude, the incompetence, the dishonesty that we've seen over the last weeks. it seems the president is bragging about having access to the code word programs, jeopardizing the national security of the united states. let's remember, also, how disturbing it is that president trump held this meeting in the oval office. he allowed russian news media, to enter oval office with electronic equipment. there was no american press there, just russian press. but what can you say. i mean, this is just clearly someone who is so in over his head and you see a real duty on the part of the majority party,
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the republicans in congress willing to put the national security of the country first as opposed to fidelity to dear leader here, it's shocking. >> politics makes strange bedfellows. he seems to be the american media out of the meetings. they don't brag about what they've got to the world. and their rivals. >> we're not together with the russians on a lot of things. you don't want to give them anything. >> no. the united states historically and generally are not with the russians accept the current president of the united states. it was already an outrage that the president of the united states took an audience with the russian foreign minister and russian ambassador to the united states who is now a household name among some circles in washington. no one ever knew who this person was before. ambassador who has been here for a while. then we find out that no
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american media, and then we find out that the russians had a photographer there and then on top of that, that person is with task. so this story right here, if this does not move, the republican party into a sense of more outward and public outrage, i don't know what will. >> carelessly handling classified information, let's watch. >> she said vast amounts of classified information, including information classified as top secret, top secret. okay. and this is where they say that she was extremely careless and, frankly, i say, grossly incompetent, she will be such a lousy president, folks. >> we also need the best protection of classified information. that is the worst situation.
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hillary's private e-mail scandal which put our classified information to the reach of our enemies, disqualifies her from the presidency. >> in my administration, i'm going to enforce all laws concerning the protection of classified information. no one will be above the law. >> the strange thing about this, phil of the washington post, is that trump's circle the wagons around himself and the russians. he's now, in bed, politically, he's in the circle with the russians. the american fbi director was outside that russia. he was taping him, while he was mouthing off to the russians, he was taping -- well he said he was. how do we put that -- if the president says he was doing it, i agree, i'm a skeptic, i think it's a bluff. i think it's part of his arsenal of intimidation, but i don't
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know if it's legal or not, we'll get to that in a little bit. what do we make of the guy who sees the russians, about all the latest spying information he has but treats the fbi as the enemy. >> our fbi. >> it's a lack of discipline on the part of the president. he's clearly not thinking properly about what is safe to disclose, what is not safe and how to do his job to protect the lives of our people and our allies' people and doing intelligence out there. it might be a warning shot, really, on capitol hill. this might be something that will get the republicans and the senate finally to do their due diligence. >> 78% want an independent counsel right now. they're all ready to go. now he needs 50 votes in the senate, 51 to turn this thing around to get a special counsel. >> the majority of the american people love obama care and look what they're doing with that. clearly, congress does not care
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what public opinion polls say. they are all, still, you know, for the most part, still sticking with this president. we'll see what happens. >> i think you overstated that, they care. there is certain amount of time they're going to put up with this. >> but that time, apparently, hasn't come yet. >> here comes national security adviser. let's hear what he has to say about this. >> brief statement for the record, there's nothing that the president takes more seriously than the security of the american people, the story that came out tonight as reported is false. the president and the foreign minister reviewed a range of common threats to our two countries including threats to civil aviation. at no time, at no time were intelligence sources of methods discussed and the president did not disclose any military operations that were not already publicly known. two other senior officials who were present, including the secretary of state remember the meeting the same way and have
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said so. they're on the record out weigh those of anonymous sources. i was in the room, it didn't happen. thanks everybody. thank you. >> let's go to kristin walker. i think what we're seeing there is someone denying something that wasn't inserted in the news article. >> the washington post asserted basically they discussed, he discussed, gave away operational information about a terrorist plot and actually the identity of the spot where it's going to occur. there was that kind of information. nobody ever said that the president gave away the tip where we got it from, what the tip was. that was nondenial, denial. >> i think you're absolutely right. they continue to go back to this wording, sources, and methods. that is not what was in the washington post report. the washington post report states that president trump relayed classified information
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that he abtaned frobtained frome allies you didn't hear mcmaster address that specific issue. he talked about information operations that were widely known and widely reported. that doesn't deal with what the washington post reported that there was information that the president conveyed. i thought it was significant. you heard h.r. mcmaster say, i was there, it didn't happen. expect him to get a lot of heat and pressure in the coming hours and coming days to clarify specifically what went down in that meeting. i can't under score this point, enough, this was a meeting that president trump had with ambassador. the russian media was there, the american media wasn't there, that was one of the reasons why that becomes a problem. again, this is explosive headline for this administration related to russia at a moment where they, frankly, can't afford it. president wanted to be focus on
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this big foreign at the end of the week to be picking a new fbi director, instead, the focus now on this lartetest controversy. >> i'm skeptical he has a taping system, i'm skeptical he was able to put one together without the white house civil servants if somebody went in there with a phone or personal device, there's one thing. do you have any indication whether he had a taping system of any kind when he met with comey and spoke with him on the phone twice? >> i don't have any indication. what i can tell you is that sean spicer was pressed on this repeatedly during today's briefing, chris, and he would not break from his talking point which continues to be that he has nothing further to add to the president's tweet. a lot of people on both sides of pennsylvania avenue have speculated exactly as you have that there is not a tape wording
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that comey that he would welcome a recording of their conversation. there's no clarity and no information to suggest one way or the other, but what is striking here, spicer was pressed on any why any official should trust a meeting with president trump and trust their meeting would be kept confidential and spicer would not answer that question directly. he went back to his talking point, bottom line he doesn't want to clarify the clarify's the president tweet one way or the other. the president is set to go on this foreign trip. it is typical that we get to ask the president questions on those types of trips. so the question of the taping, as well as this latest explosive headline is going to dominate our questioning overseas. >> first of all, steve smith, kristin hang in there, steve, what do you make of this, that mcmaster there with that quick,
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kurt denial, denying something that wasn't put forth in the article. they didn't say he gave away sources or mefd. they said gave away a plot, had to do with isis, gave away the location where it was going to occur, a lot of information which would, if you're a smart spook and know what you're looking for, perhaps allow you to figure out someway the sources were. you deny what was never said. it looks like you're denying it, your thoughts. >> well, first off, the administration, but over the course of the last week, you've seen a level of nonstop lying by administration officials from the vice president on down, that is just difficult to fathom and so, i think the credibility of this administration is shattered, top down. and you just saw the national security adviser, lieutenant general mcmaster, walk out in front of the white house press court to deny something occurring that's not reported as fact in the story.
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it was a smoke screen. and he is one of the very last people that has any claim on credibility and it's interesting to me -- >> you're wasting the guy. >> the deputy attorney general is the degree to which these people in proximity to this president, they put their reputations on the line to such a degree that in an instant a career of integrity can be completely unwound, extraordinary to watch. >> you know, he came out like a coo coo clock. he had nothing -- he had no denial of the isil story's content. >> he didn't say anything that he didn't say that was quoted in the washington post when they got a quote from the h.r. mcmaster about this story. but, steve hit -- >> what do you mean? >> when said, you know -- >> he responded in the washington post story, initially. >> which way? agreed with it or disagreed with it? >> denying that the -- >> nothing new here?
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>> exactly. >> the point i'm trying to get out, is the fact that steve hit on something very very important. when james comey was fired and president gave that interview to lester holt and completely kneecaped his entire senior staff that have been on television. >> about hillary and how it was confused last year, but it was about the russian thing. >> this erodes the credibility of the president and erodes the credibility of presidency and administration and god forbid something happens. >> let's go back to kristin in terms of use of people. he seems like he's using up people's credibility quickly. i watched spicer today. i don't know like you know him. you sit and watch him all day. i think i'm a pretty good judge of situation, he did not look like a happy guy today, especially today. >> i have been told repeatedly, chris, there's not going to be a staff shakeup this week.
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having said that, there has been so much scrutiny and speculation surrounding sean spicer's job and what we know was this. we know he wasn't happy about the messaging around the announcement he was fired and the fbi director. he felt like it was botched. sean spicer and other communication officials were a part of that process. we know that there has been some internal blow back, but, again, chris, i keep going back to this trip. at the end of the week, this is a chance from the perspective of the president to reset a little bit potentially. is he blowing off. we have heard this line before from the white house, that he's looking at his staff and taking a hard look whether or not he wants noouf some of the chess pieces around he continues to fume behind the scenes and move on. the question is, will it be the same case this time around. but, again, i continue to be told by officials here that it is very unlikely that you're going to see a big shakeup, particularly among one of his top staffers, before he goes away on that foreign trip.
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frankly, it would be too disrupti disruptive. >> we'll be here until 8:00. i want to go back to phil -- >> i will, too. >> this whole thing is blaming the staff, everybody knows who has watched this story and people who watch this keep up. it's not that hard to keep up. for days they put out the word through vice president and straight message. it has to do with hillary in the way he released that information last july and october. that's why i'm doing it, this guy is a bad guy in terms of meeting his responsibility. then he says, you know, what he's doing, oh, yeah, by the way, lester -- oh yeah this is that russia thing. he admitted it. he added himself and then he blames the staff for not getting the story straight. he didn't give them a straight story. >> i've done a lot of reporting into this and what i can tell you is every single decision along the way relating to the comey firing it's execution, firing, the talking points were
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all made by donald trump trump itself. he prides himself in making these decisions himself. i wrote on the story sunday, it's almost like he's the pilot choosing to fly into heavy turbulence and blaming the flight attendants when the passengers are screaming. >> you've been skeptical of trump, likely so. what do you think is going to happen here. the white house seems to be a catastrop catastrophe. it's confusing craziness. and now you have president blaming his staff for saying ha he told him to say. i've never seen a guy come down on his people for using the talking points he gave them. and spicer isn't a genius, he's not bad either, he's simply doing his job, putting up with melissa's put downs every weekend. somebody like that. what's going to happen. he just ruined mcmaster's the last respected guy on his team by sending him out with that
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statement that there's nothing here. >> coordinate their dignity and service to the president by lying nonstop. i think it's wrong to say of these people, good people, they're doing their job. -- >> i think we have a problem here. i think we'll have to end this segment. thank you gentlemen, thank you steve. thank you kristin. much more on our top story tonight, the washington post report. we got it tonight. he revealed highly classified information to russian's foreign minister when they met last week in the white house. he gave away stuff. we'll get reaction from former top nixon aid when we come back in about a minute or so, this is hard ball where the action is. there's nothing traditional about my small business so when
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senator bob told reporters to compromise the source something you don't do, that's why we keep the information we get from intelligence sources so close. any way, it's to prevent that from happening, mark warner the top intelligence committee says if true, this is a slap in the face of the intelligence community risking sources and methods is inexcusable, particularly with the russians. the former nixon white house aid patrick buchanan. this is "hardball with the action news. shine through? introducing otezla, apremilast. otezla is not an injection or a cream. it's a pill that treats plaque psoriasis differently. some people who took otezla saw 75% clearer skin after 4 months. and otezla's prescribing information
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challenged the republican establishment on issues of trade, immigration and foreign intervention, joe wrote yesterday in the "new york times," these are the issue gs that buchanan has been trumping for the past 50 years that donald trump exploited in the. we're living in pat buchanan's world. shortly after, who is a bit of -- smart guy, trump and his appointees are embodiments of nationalism exposed by pat buchanan. the most influential republican. the staffer of richard nixon, he helped navigate the storms that brought down the 37th president. there he is. now buchanan set with white house wars, firsthand account from behind the scenes of richard nixon white house. pat, i have to tell you. the politics are different. i love your writing, it's fascinating inside stuff. here you are a president that's involved in a taping situation, a president involved with -- what do you make of this guy saying -- you've got a good
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skeptical mind. what do you make -- tweets out that he taped his meetings and telephone conversation with james comey, why would he say i did that. >> shot across from james comey. >> how does he tell the truth when he's afraid of him? >> i don't think he tweeted. i think it was a shot. i will say, i don't think trump at that point in the administration of the white house really had a taping system up and operating. let me say this, jack kennedy and linden johnson, youf eve got to have it. >> can you do it without telling the people at the white house you're doing it. technically, they use the official, they use the white house communication system, they have civil servants, how can trump do it without everybody knowing about it. >> you didn't think they were being taped. i don't know that they were, but they ought to be. you want to know what he said. wouldn't we like to know what was said in that meeting.
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>> you know who knows, he brought the task news agency. >> we weren't allowed in and everybody else was. >> let's talk about the parallels. and there are always some, you say nixon should have burnt the tapes. >> i said that when he was first revealed. look, keep the dean tapes, they're going to be subpoenaed and you ought to have your answer to him. but all this junk talk in there about various things about congressman, what's going on, who's been drinking. >> he said he smells and stuff like that, all the bad language, okay. >> lbj, would you want his stuff in there. >> should trump burn his? >> if he's got the tape made now. >> should he burn it? >> depends on what's on it. >> no, he should not, if he's made it. but he should hold on to it. >> comey was begging for renomination, continuance in office. >> you know, i don't think -- >> suppose he asked comey for loyalty of oath, he wouldn't
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want that out. >> it comes out of misunderstanding for the whole federal government, i agree, donald trump is new to that as you and i would be to real estate. >> as citizen somehown't he understand checks and balances? >> sure, he said i want all my guys to be loyal, i i'm sure he didn't get in line and do what he wanted him to do. >> let's talk about obstruction of justice, when a guy fires the guy who is investigating him, isn't that obstruction? >> no. >> no trump said it was the russian thing. >> comey is not running the investigation, the investigation continues. . if he had shutdown the fbi the way nixon shutdown special prosecutor, you would have an argument. >> he said, i put 20 special agents on the case. he was running the operation, comey was running the pursuit, donald trump said i'm firing. >> he's got something to answer for himself. they've been investigating trump. they've got this cloud that he's
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putin's puppet over donald trump and they have not gotten a single connection. >> 17 intelligence agencies said they interfered with our election. >> justice delayed. >> how can you say there's nothing there, pat? >> 17 agencies said they were colluding to get -- >> they didn't say collusion, they said they were hacking. did trump hack? no. >> i don't know -- how would -- talking about the russians were doing it? are you denying they were trying to turn the election away from hillary. >> i will go along with they hacked the election. i don't believe they proved anything and i think it's injustice to leave this black cloud over his head when you know and all of the agency guys know there's no proven collusion yet. >> let me ask you this, yet, when water gate headquarters of the democratic national committee were broken into in june of 1972, no evidence nixon approved the break in itself, but the cover up we all know about, he was involved in that.
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and trump, now denies there was actually a break in. he denies there was ever a break in by the russian. he denies the hacking, he denies it. >> i do believe this. >> why is he fighting this investigation. >> i believe there is, but i know there are people skeptical, bring it out and prove it. >> have something playing footsie with the russians. >> do i believe he colluded. >> he just let him help him. >> listen, do i believe he colluded with the russians, no. >> you don't believe it. >> you don't believe michael flynn talked to the russians about getting rid of sanctions when we know he did, we know that. >> he did this, if he talked to the russians and said don't get your head on fire, we've got a new guy in. >> that's what they all say. >> that's the problem you had. >> why did he lie. he lied to the vice president. he lied to everybody. why so much cover up, pat, if there's no crime here and everybody watched the show. it's the same question. why did flynn lie, why did he
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lie to the vice president, why did he lie and all the applications about the money he got, he got 34,000 bucks to walk over there and sit at the dining table with putin? >> you're talking about -- you're talking about legitimate offenses, but it was not an offense to talk to him, in my view, and say, you know, don't get your hair on fire, you're going to have a new president and don't retaliate for what barack obama did. >> i know you because peggy and i are friend. i've watched you guys. you're a good communications director. reagan did fantastic, he helped a lot, of course. what you would do, if you're sitting in right now and you were lucky to push jared kushner aside and get five minutes with this guy. what would you tell trump to get his act together, get it together in terms of communicating, stop tweeting. >> well, i will tell him, you've got to stop this tweeting. if you're going to tweet, you've got to inform your
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communications people. i don't -- they're accusing these guys are lying. they weren't given the information, they got rosenstein's paper and they went out and relied, they were misled. for heaven's sake. >> why did trump tell them to tell one story and flip and tell the other story when he got with lester holt? >> the staff is not managed well. he ran the white house when i was the communication director, we had a whole strategy. >> he won't allow it. >> here is what we're going to say mr. president. >> he won't allow a chief of staff to organize himself. he's not organizing trump. >> that's exactly -- i do agree with that. >> what chief of staff is going to get up at 6 in the morning and watch what he's tweeting. i get melania is around and that's it. >> any way, pat, so you do you think he could save this guy? >> look -- >> do you think he can get re-elected. >> as of right now, i would say -- i talked to a congressman
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republican said we would lose the house as of right now. i think that's possible. you know, after -- i do think you've got a point, i don't understand how our side and your side, if you will, chris, handle the intensity and hostility that is going on back and forth inside this country, in this city, antitrump, antimedia. it's almost -- >> jimmy carter had no walk in the park with the press, i can tell you. you write nixon love to spar with the press. he relished these confrontations and watched by millions who enjoyed and adversary yal press, almost always afterward nixon got a boost in the polls, explain. >> trump's numbers aren't going down. >> nixon did, i did his briefing books and he would sit on his butt and get more information, get this, make notes. >> he wanted all the questions ahead out of time. >> i wrote all the questions that i thought i was going to be asked. >> there were other questions that weren't.
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>> that's a riot. >> next time leave those out. >> leave out the ones that i don't need. >> nixon saw it as a battle in the arena and he went up in the poll because it was a great conflict. it was early and early example of what's going on now on cable tv. >> i think trump placed his gallery very effectively. pat, you're a heck of a writer, we disagree, this is good inside stuff. if you love politics you'll love this book. nixon's white house wars. before he was a speech writer, in fact, he was an editorial page editor, that's really important. thank you pat buchanan. up next, we've got new reporter that trump wants to fire his communications team altogether. pat says they're innocent and the president is guilty. that came last night, the trump revealed highly classified himself, spicer didn't do this. he did it in his last meeting with those top russians. this is "hardball" with the action news.
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>> what about the russian investigation? >> i'm sorry. >> there's one -- >> welcome back, to requested hardball. this is a late breaking story about the washington post breaking trump revealed highly classified intelligence to the russians last week, comes less than a week after he fired director james comey and the white house is still on edge. newspapers are splashed with headlines the president is considering major shakeup of the white house. sean spicer looked like he was going, the press secretary has been primary target of firing
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rumors for months. part of the reason, according to nbc news the president has been frustrated with poor guidance and messaging errors. the washington post also reported that trump's allies have been buzzing about the staff's incompetence as well as the president's state of mind. catch this, one republican figure close to the white house about trump was in the grip of some kind of paranoid dill luel. the president is so angry, he's considering a huge reboot, that could include laying off chief of staff reince priebus, bannon. and it's unclear if the reboot will happen. he built his reputation on finest, you're fired. he laid off two of his campaign manager, i'm joined by jonathan, senior white house for bloomberg. first of all, your take, what is going on with the white house. >> trump is furious. he fury last week, particularly
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after the comey fall out. he thought his communications team was incompetent. he didn't buy the excuse they weren't given enough time. 95% of the team found out, he had about an hour to prepare for it. >> it was hillary. >> rosenstein. >> oh, that thing. >> yeah, i think -- that was the cover story, any way, they finally realized that trump fired because of the russian thing and he said so to lester holt to nbc news. what's the real message they're suppose to put out. >> they can only work with what they know and how much time -- i know this is only true until it's not true. but what president trump told us, my colleague and i in our b interview, he had no plans to bounce out steve bannon, reince priebus, sean spicer, kellyanne conway. >> did you watch the briefing
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today? >> i think he looked tired. >> president trump is getting ready to leave on friday, he's got to replace fbi director, now he has this mess, all these changes may be a foot. >> they tried to put out this fire by saying the washington -- president never gave away sources from this intelligence, never gave away methods, nobody said it in the article. somebody is trying to b.s. the press with this denial. it's not a denial. somebody told the president that was a denial, it was not. they used mcmaster to make a ridiculous denial. >> they don't take questions for your denial. >> he had no answers. >> you made the best point. >> you deny what wasn't said. it's denying stuff that wasn't said. >> there's balanced news coverage. you type up they denied something that was never said. is trump -- >> is trump going to last? >> i can't sort even begin to
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say that. >> we get rid of them every two minutes. >> you guys go left, right, left, right. >> what he said. >> any way, thank you, margaret, your response, what do you think? it's getting shaky over there. >> this is unchartered territory. president trump, my guess, hangs on to his staff long enough. he can revisit the issue over the summer. it's time of crisis, he needs all hands on deck. >> you have to wonder if he wants to tell the truth to his staff and that's why they can't tell the truth because he doesn't want to tell. it's interesting. thank you for coming in. much more revealed highly classified -- this is the hottest thing we've had at 7:00 eastern. he gave away top secret information that could be used to find out about what isis is up to, the organization he swore he was going to bring down. the round table is coming up here next. you're watching hardball with the action news. nice man cave! nacho?
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late breaking story tonight the washington post, president trump shared highly classified with a russian foreign minister and the ambassador in his meeting with those two gentleman last week. by the way, it was only covered by taz that event, that was the only news organization allowed in that room. trump's disclosure jeopardized, risked that had access to the inner workings of the united states. they opened up a nondenial denial, pushing back, it wasn't reporting. let's watch how he does it. >> the story that came out tonight as reported is false. the president and the foreign minister reviewed a range of common threats the to our two countries, including, threats to civil aviation. at no time, at no time were intelligence sources or methods
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discussed, two other senior officials who are present, including the secretary of state remember the meeting the same way and have said that. all the records account should out way those of anonymous sources and i was in the room, it didn't happen. >> the thing you just denied, nobody talked about giving away sources or methodology. any way, in reaction the washington post who wrote the story says he thinks the white house is playing word games to try to blunt the impact of the story. that's true. let's bring in the round table tonight, ceo of the american majority and pierre senior advise from moveon.org. let's start with the straight reporter. i thought that that was classic case of flak ri, as you say, in business, trying to cover a story as best you can, the water is going to go right over the dam. >> it's like, the story is false. the story is 900 words. what thing are you picking out and he's not specifying what part is false, he's saying, it's
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totally false. and it would have a lot more credibility coming from this white house if he didn't spend the last week throwing their staff under the bus, last week, where they were saying, no, no, no, this is the truth, the president himself came out and said that's not the truth. so having staff come out and say this is absolutely false, doesn't really have a lot of credibility any more. >> i think he has it within the white house. >> yeah, i think. >> explain -- how do you get this stuff that fast after meeting, who was in the room, two russians who weren't going to talk and somebody president told about later, i think that was about it. >> i know for a fact that literally the night trump was elected, there were senior people inside the intelligence community who literally declared on trump. >> how would they know about that meeting. >> here is -- >> how do you know it's intel people. >> oh, because of some of my sources. ly say this, you had secretary of state, you had the director of the nsa, you had the deputy
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director coming out and saying this is a false story. >> they didn't say it was false. they put out classified information, they said it was false to say -- they gave away methods and sources, no one ever said they did. >> what is false. >> am i going to take director of nsa. >> what is the -- or anonymous sources. what's the denial. what are you denying? what -- >> they're denying -- >> what are you denying -- >> just tell when what you're denying. >> i think it's a total b.s. story. part of -- he can declassify anything that he wants, at any time. what's wrong with the story? >> what's wrong with the story? >> that it's a complete b.s. story. give me some information, tell me something i don't know. what's wrong with the story, the story -- >> here we go, anonymous sources -- under mine. >> here is the thing, first of all, this is a meeting that should not have happened in the first place.
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they were duped by the russian. they allow russian state need ya into the room, no american press core was allowed in the room. it was unforced krar. >> taz was allowed in. that's the only picture, you know, that we saw was from taz, which is completely unbelievable. let's not forget, you had former cia agents who were fearful because of russian media -- state media was in there. they thought, maybe, the office could have been eves dropped on, to put devices in there. it should not have happened in the first place. but this also plays into every fear that we've had about donald trump, which is that his reckless and dangerous behavior is now national security. >> let's put it all together. a week ago power to do that, he said to tell me what was involved with this russian thing, explain, this russian thing. he say he's taped the meetings and phone calls with comey to use it against him. it's all this me against comey,
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it's coming after the russian thing. then he meets with the russians himself and they're chuckling away, he tells them about top secret stuff in the middle east whar what's going on here. what's he up to. >> this is the same guy that jeff sessions got into so much trouble. these are people -- and it's smoke and fire. >> you can back him out. this is up next, tell me something i don't know, this is hard ball with the action news. david. what's going on? oh hey! ♪ that's it? yeah. ♪ everybody two seconds! ♪ "dear sebastian, after careful consideration of your application, it is with great pleasure that we offer our congratulations on your acceptance..." through the tuition assistance program, every day mcdonald's helps more people go to college. it's part of our commitment to being america's best first job. ♪ and we're partnering with cigna to help save lives. we are the tv doctors of america.
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tonight top democrat and house intelligence with adam called the report we got tonight deeply disturbing. that's the washington reporting giving away top secret information to the russians. senate democratic leader also called it disturbing and true and said the president owes the intelligence committee and owes them a full explanation. we'll be back into this. . the best selling suv in america. titan, with america's best truck warranty. and the most advanced safety features on alitma and our best selling models. that's why we're america's fastest-growing auto brand. get 0% financing for up to 72 months on 11 models. ♪ introducing new depend silhouette briefs. featuring a comfortable sleek fit. as a dancer, i've learned you can't have any doubts.
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story -- >> go ahead. >> washington post had a story today about how the north carolina state senate republicans introduced a $1 million amendment in the middle of the night on friday on its suppose to create new funding for opioid addictions. but the trick is the key thing here is that they want to pay for this, the $1 million by taking money away from democratic districts. >> thank you. >> politics as usual. when we return, let me finish.
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trump launched money may 15. i struggle for precedence and putting the trump presidency in a necessary historic context. what if we had a president claims to tape the director of federal bureau of investigation, you say nixon, but the richard nixon ever brag about taping people, the whole idea of taping is to keep it secret for use in the history books. it's a weapon of your arsenal. did any other president show off by sharing top secret information, give away a tip on a terrorist operation that can boomerang against the source we got it from? no, i can't think of one. i'm not talking about the russian thing. i'm talking about this american thing. what thinking of the world and
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there are a lot of them out there who root for this country every day of their lives making the strange conduct by the man carrying the nuclear codes. thanks for being with us, "all in" with chris hayes starts right now. if there are tapes, as the president has suggested, he should turn them over immediately. >> a bipartisan demand for tapes. >> you can't -- >> as the white house stonewalls. >> why won't you just explain whether or not there are recordings. >> the president has made it clear what his position is. >> our institutions are under assault internally. >> internally from the president. >> exactly. >> tonight, as the washington post reports the president divulged highly classified information to the russians in the white house. harvard law professor on his case to start impeachment right now. >> that had nothing to do with russia.
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