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with you... through you... ♪ beyond you. ♪ and a good sunday to you. i'm richard lui in new york city. a battle between good and evil, that's what the president called the current fight against terrorism as he asked the world to unite. >> it's a choice between two futures and it's a choice that america cannot make for you. a better future is only possible if your nations drive out the terrorists and drive out the extremists. >> the president's address to dozens of leaders in saudi arabia taking place on day two of his first foreign trip as

president. nbc's chief white house correspondent hallie jackson is traveling with the president. she joins us live right now. a late evening in riyadh, saudi arabia. as you're listening to the president deliver his message, and his team there too, were they pleased with what they heard and how he did? >> reporter: yeah, i can tell you, richard, we just walked out of a conversation with several top administration officials who were very pleased with the president's performance today and with how the trip is going overall. one of the questions that came up is of course about his tone. given that it did seem like a lot of -- to a lot of observers watching him he had a noticeay fferent tone than he did on the campaign trail. if you look at it in the confines of sort of donald trump past and present. but one administration official said in this person's view it wasn't a softer tone, but this person argued, a tougher tone because of comments like you're about to see. the message the president

delivered to this mostly muslim leaders. >> every time a terrorist falsely invokes the name of god, it should be an insult to every person of faith. terrorists do not worship god. they worship death. >> reporter: so this was one of the -- in the administration's view, in the white house's view, highlights of the president's speech today. that kind of direct and blunt talk. i asked if this is a tone that the administration expects the president to continue to have when he gets back on u.s. soil. the message that he will deliver to americans. and the discussion turned to the tangible effects according to the white house that the president will come home with. so they're talking a lot about for example the business and infrastructure deals put in place here. the counterterrorism center, the center against global extremism that you saw the president visit a couple of hours ago. tomorrow, another huge day for the president. the press is departing here late

tonight and tomorrow he will be in jerusalem. hel be talking with israeli leaders the, tryg to prod them on a path to peace. and with that -- that comes with its own diplomatic land mines and that's the president in a conversation with if russians in the oval office sharing intel with the russians, something that was not what the israeli intelligence officials wanted to see as has been widely reported. a lot more to watch for the president moving forward. we expected to hear from his twitter forum and instead his daughter delivered the remarks. the schedule shifted and that's why you did not hear the president speak. >> quickly, as we were watching some of the pictures of the leaders that are in the room, hard to really get a read looking at video. but you're there on the ground. was his tone well accepted there in that space? >> reporter: so we weren't in the conference where the speech was happening. we were sort of in a separate area which is where they keep the majority of the press as we talk to you with from here.

i would say that the administration pointed to the leaders' response as being positive in the room when you heard some of the speeches afterwards. they pointed to for example, and before hand, that i pointed to what king salman for example had to saudi arabia this being sort of a very -- had to say about this being a sort of very important moment. the overall frame has been a new chapter, a page turning in the relationship. you and others have noted some of the body language that you saw from the folks in the room. a long day for everyone here. >> hallie jackson, thank you so much for that. chief wte house correondent stopping by for us live from saudi arabia. i appreciate it. israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu said he's looking forward to the president's visit to israel that hallie was talking about. >> mr. president, we look forward to your visit. the citizens of israel will receive you with open arms. >> members of the israeli government maybe not so much here. look at the israeli newspaper. it reports that netanyahu is requiring all to welcome the

president at the airport tomorrow and he was upset because he had to do that order. many were planning not to go. joining me now is the president and ceo of the meridian international center, former ambassador to the u.n. for special political affairs. mr. ambassador, good to talk to you again. >> how are you? >> good good. look forward to us -- his trip to israel is not going to be an easy one. and hallie jackson brought up the intel leak and there's the complexity when we talk about middle east peace. >> well, i think going to saudi arabia where everything is very controlled, he was warmly received, it will be different than going into the vibe rant democracy where there's free flowing debate about donald trump and his role. and it's complicated by the fact that expectations were so high for him, both in announcing the move of the embassy to jerusalem which is on hold, it's very tough word -- his very tough words on iran which is popular in israel. but he's going to be visiting bethlehem and visiting with

muhammad abbas. this western wall visit with his daughter has stirred up a bit of controversy as well, being one of the holiest sites in judaism as well. but he's going as a private visit without any israeli accompaniment. so it's a trickier stop. >> trickier stop. and really these first three stops, tricky all said put together. this triad of visits from saudi arabia to israel and then to see the pope. i mean, you couldn't ask for aer moe difficult -- for a more difficult stop of bunches in the first presidential foreign itinerary. as you look at what he said in his first stop in the itinerary, 3,000 odd words today, anything that israelis will go, hang on a second? >> well, i think obviously the -- you know, the arms deal, $110 billion. i mean, being very close to saudi arabia i think is -- it makes some israelis nervous as you know in the past they have opposed large scale weapons

deals with the saudis. and so they are both united. israeli and saudi arabia against iran. and they appear to be more on the same page with respect to that threat and i think, you know, as you go forward, you're going to see i think iran continue to be the -- you know, the main enemy that's going to be pointed out. >> yeah. >> mr. netanyahu is very singular on the subject and he wants to bake sure that the iran deal, you know, comes apart. he's dramatically opposed to it. and he's going to be pushing the president on that. >> you know, you were probably listening to this, mr. ambassador, when we were alluding to the headline, you know coming out of one of the major israeli newspapers that benjamin netanyahu was fuming because he had to order the ministers to show up for a reception to see donald trump. what do you take away from that as a former ambassador? >> well, you know, israel and

polist, egalitarian air to it. it'sot heavily protocol orient and aays are leaders of different political movements so it's different from the kind of cabinet you'd have in the united states where if the president is going to show up, you're going to show up. they have their own minds. they have different views on things. some are you know to the right of netanyahu in the coalition. and perhaps are not enthusiastic about saudi arabia being the first trip on the itinerary. >> as you look ahead to the itinerary that you just brought up here in -- for president trump, what's the one thing you're watching? what are you looking for to see if this president is who he says he is? >> well, i think first of all, getting through this trip without any major gaffes would be significant. we remember, you know, ronald reagan's trip to germany visiting the cemetery, there's always something. and in this case it's gotten off to a good start. it's a well conceived trip.

it has a theme and unique. i think if he can pull it off without any major errors i think the visit with the pope who is a populist who speaks for a lot of people who are on the outside of the 1%, people on the downtrodden, i think his message there has to be carefully crafted. and the nato visit as well, discussions -- he's sort of been tough on nato. that's an interesting one. i think if he comes back with this thematic trip pulledff without any major errors it will be a major ament. >> going from the undemocratic country to the very democratic with some 10 or 12 parties in the current government for instance and having to engage in that will be a very interesting dichotomy as we watch the president move forward. mr. ambassador, thank you sir. >> thank you. even with the president overseas his troubles at home may only be growing. in a new interview, hr mcmaster was pressed on the white house meeting with russian officials

this month. there he reportedly revealed classified information. which we were just talking about. he also called ousted fbi director comey a nut job. and said his firing relieved the great pressure he faced on russia. mcmaster did not reject any of those details today. take a listen. >> -- disparaged james comey when he gave that information to the russians when edid not confront the russians over this. he didn't even ask your advice. >> well, george, what i'd like to talk about is where i am right now. in saudi arabia. >> did the president ask you your advice about this before he talked about james comey? >> the president always asks for advice before these sorts of sessions. but the subject of the fbi investigation to my recollection didn't come up. >> republican senator john mccain found himself at a loss for words this morning as well over the president's reported comments. >> i don't know how to read it except that --

i'm almost speechless because i don't know how to -- why someone would say something like that. >> let's bring in mother jones reporter and lynn sweet from the "chicago sun-times." let's start with you on thipy mee. it sounds like folks who are closer to president trump such as hr mcmaster they're not saying no this didn't happen, but they're not being clear. >> i think mcmaster is being very careful with his words. he seems -- all this week he's been put in the spotlight with the meeting with the russians in the oval office and he's been very, very careful to not contradict the president, but also not flatout deny reports that do seem to be accurate. and so it's a difficult dance for him. i think he wants to maintain his job. i think he sees himself as being someone who can keep this administration on track. that's certainly the reputation

he has and that's the hope that was put on him when he was brought on as national security adviser. that puts him in a really difficult position. i think it will be really interesting to see you know how far he can go. but ultimately i think there will be a question of whether or not he can justify the things that are going on in the oval office right now. >> the oval office at the moment, lynn, slightly empty. this as the president is going on his foreign trip. much of his inner circle also with him. we saw it in the pictures as he was giving his remarks to the 50 odd leaders there from the muslim majority countries, but what is the sense that you're he -- hearing in washington, is it chaotic or is it business as usual? just another difficult week? what are you hearing? >> well, richard, business as usual is chaotic and a difficult week, so we have in sense a little bit of a respite because president trump is overseas and what could be a very challenging trip. especially when he does get to

israel in theoming hours. the unprecedented nature of this presidency has only brought more so the -- i would not interpret the overseas trip right now as anything as a lull in the investigations that are ongoing and the enormous interest in getting to the bottom of this story and the stories that keep tumbling out about conversations that trump had. the only break we have had i guess for a few hours here is that president trump hasn't sent out a tweet to make matters worse for himself. >> which the way the process would work, he'd send out a tweet and we'll report on it. is this trip distracting from what is happening there in washington, d.c.? lynn was saying, no, it's -- there are four congressional investigations happening.

there's robert mueller now as a special counsel. your thought? >> yeah. i think that for president trump and his team, this trip ultimately was pretty well timed. you know, on friday evening air force one took off for saudi arabia and a torrent of news came out embarrassing news including this nut job story. and it was probably i think a sigh of relief for his team that the president was not in a position to tweet about it. one of the things that's been so difficult for them about this tweeting of the president is that he often contradicts what his own people have been going out and saying. >> yeah. >> and that puts them obviously in a bit of a bind. so, you know what, back here i think that the republicans are going to try to use the appointment of the special counsel to get tngs back to normalcy and back in congress to move an agenda. they can say, well, this is all in robert mueller's hands now let's go forward with health care and tax reform.

i think that you'll see that talking point in next week. >> we have the cbo scoring this week on the aca. still things are moving forward there in washington, d.c. lynn, mueller's first week starts today, but workweek starts tomorrow on the investigation. do we know what he plans on doing? of course he's a special counsel, he doesn't have to report to anybody about what he's doing. >> no, he'll have unlimited resources. and just to underscore by the way the week ahead, even though president trump is overseas his budget is rolling out on tuesday and that will be an enormous lift even in a republican house and a republican senate. everyone there is not of one mind on what this trump budget should be. so that's another avenue of inquiry that we will be making. you will see stories on it. but to get to your point, i would watch for the congressional committees to

yield the most news in the short term. reporters have sources on capitol hill, so richard, i would look to there because these subpoenas are out. we know that former fbi director comey iesfying before the senate intelligence committee so that woris a little t more transparent and up front. but having said that, there's a lot that they're doing behind the scenes in congress. so more to come. >> yeah. the naming of mueller seems to have coenergized all the other investigations as they all move forward now to try to get to some sort of understanding without bias. thank you so much. i appreciate you all coming by on a sunday. >> thank you. north korea test fires another ballistic missile. how the white house is responding. hanging out in here. so if you need anything, text me. do you play?

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global reaction after north korea test launched another medium range missile. u.s. pacific command saying the missile had a shorter range than the region's last three tests. secretary of state rex tillerson called the latest launch disappointing and disturbing. >> but i think we're early into the game of putting pressure on them. and one can also interpret that perhaps they're acting out now in response to some of this pressure. >> let's go to nbc's janice -- what do we know about this? >> the u.s. and south korean officials are still analyzing data, but u.s. pacific command believes it was a medium range missile. given the initial distance and

not an intercontinental ballistic missile that they have been threatening to launch. the same launch site was used last month, but that test failed. however, experts say last weekend's test showed signicant advances in north korea's program. perhaps surpassing even pyongyang's expectations if you the number of the images they have released as part of the celebration. experts are saying this is less the provocation but the hallmarks of a stepped up schedule of tests in order to hone differents a pexs of it and it suggests that kim jong un may be less interested in pursuing talks than furthering his technology. despite any pressure he might be getting from china right now, every test undermines the belief that talks are an option.

>> thank you so much, janis mackey frayer for us there. the royal welcome for president trump not stopping trouble at home though. next, the russian probe and the questions that the white house does not want to hear in congressional testimony.

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well, he will be speaking with james comey on monday too. do we know why he'll be talking to him separate? is this part of his investigation? any information on that? >> well, i think that what you always see on the hill when there's a highly sought after witness like jim comey is a little bit of a turf battle and now that the senate judiciary panel has gotten him to before that committee, i think you will see jason chaffetz try to horn in to make some news. but the big question about the testimony, what is he willing to share about his conversations with donald trump, the ones that we know he's recorded in memos. some of which have leaked out. i think we'll learn a lot. we'll learn a lot because he comes and shares all the details in which cas those could be explosive. but we'll learn a lot if he shows up and says, he's not able to get into that. then we'd read that as a sign that he's not talking because the new special counsel robert mueller has asked him not to

talk, but what he'll review in the investigation. >> as we get into the new week, the four congressional investigations happening along with the special counsel, has the naming of mueller energized each and every one of these committees to do more, to do it right? something that seemed to be slowing down for a little bit. we seem to see an acceleration. moving from the second gear to third gear. >> i think that really remains to be seen. part of it's going to be how robert mueller approaches these committees. what will have to happen as these investigations go forward, bob mueller is going to want the priority to be on the criminal investigation. he's going to want make sure that the committees that nothing they do can interfere with his investigation. they don't want to give immunity to any opinions or want them to testify in public because he doesn't want some of the witnesses to know what these people might is say. he wants to approach them first on his own, to see if people have the same stories.

so it will be difficult for a congress to go forward. but at the same time, there are some questions that fall squarely in congress' lane. for example, anything that involves the president himself that is a matter for congress ultimately to adjudicate. >> you hit on the point that some might be asking, what are the obligations of congress and these committees' investigation versus what the obligations are for the special counsel? >> yeah, that's right. so the special counsel -- the department of justice has long taken the position that a sitting president cannot be indicted. he's part of the executive branch. he would be indicted by the executive branch. they have taken a position that's an act left to congress under the impeachment standards. we have seen nothing in the underlying russian investigation that points to the specific actions taken down by president trump himself, but his conduct with respect to comey and asking him to quash the flynn investigation and then firg

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welcome back. i'm richard lui live at headquarters in new york city. here's what we're toal lowing at the bottom of the hour. the president imploring saudi arabia and other muslim majority countries and their leaders to drive out islamic extremism. he praised islam as one of the world's great faiths making no mention of his travel ban. in indiana, vice president pence met some opposition as he took the podium for the comme e commencement speech at notre

dame. some walkedut to protest his past policies as governor. they called we stand, they planned that walkout. and then north korea launched a medium range missile, that travelled 300 miles before landing in the sea of japan. the secretary of state rex tillerson called the attack disappointing an disturbing. so president trump stuck to these script this morning when he addressed the muslim world. he called for unity in the fight against terrorism. also made this point. >> we are not here to lecture. we are not here to tell other people how to live, what to do, who to be or how to worship. instead, we are here to offer partnership, based on shared interests and values, to pursue a better future for all of us. >> let's bring in a fellow at

the institute for social policy and understanding. we have a "new york times" contributing opinion writer and attorney as well. thank you both. it was about 30 minutes for those who were able to watch it. 32, 3300 words. depending on how you count it. is this a new president trump doctrine if you will or belief when we're talking about the muslim world abroad? >> probably the most disturbing part of the speech out of a disturbing speech was that if you flatter donald trump he does whatever you tell him to. we have the fears how the russians have been praising him and he's falling into their trap. the saudis appear to have flattered him to the extend he delivered a speech that sound like it was delivered by a saudi pr firm. >> you think once he saw all the adulation, he took on a different tone? >> i think that that the huge arms works -- it was telling

saudi arabia what it wanted to hear in exchange for trump to be able to say he's resetting america's relationship in the and give him some good attention and here at home he's tanking in every respect. >> is this a redirection, i'm here in front of 50 leaders and the way that the president has reacted in the past, he adjusts messages? he likes to be liked. and is that what we saw today, as he was putting together this speech? >> we saw a beautiful marriage between ugly hypocrites and you see donald trump bend -- excuse me, do a curtsy to saudi arabia if they lavish him with praise or give him a golden necklace and he'll abandon his track record of actually calling saudi arabia the enablers and funders of terrorism. saying twice they're responsible for 9/11 and blaming clinton for taking money from saudi arabia, despite their horrible track record on human rights, women's rights, lgbt rights. but when it comes to

$300 billion arms deals, when it comes to a trump branded resorts, when it comes to selfish political agendas then we're going to jettison everything. i'll take your dowry of the golden necklace and you take my $300 billion of arms you can use in yemen and use to pour gasoline on the sectarian fire in the middle east and somehow i'll give you legitimacy that you so desperately crave as the center of islam, which the overall majority of muslims do not give you that legitimacy, saudi arabia, because youxport wahhabi wahhabism. i think that's -- what he said. i literally thought parts of his speech was written by a saudi arabian pr firm. it was a huge win for saudi arabia. but hey, trump gets some halal meat and he gets a sword, so it's good for his ego as well. >> so you're not a supporter of

his message there. >> i thought it was hypocritical. it makes him seem weak. he come pained on this and he does a complete about face. >> i'll ask you on this. when we look at the travel bans, the immigration bans that you and i have talked about over the recent months, when they were happening, what will be the proof in the puding that this really is potentially a shift? >> i think ultimately saudi arabia doesn't care. >> but what we're heing from president trump, not -- hearing from president trump, not necessarily saudi arabia. >> saudi arabia all they want is someone to back them in the struggle against iran. this is not about isis. >> is this about israel? >> i think that's part of it. i think it's part of making saudi arabia happy and going along with that. now if that means isis gets stronger, but it also means that now trump has validation from saudi arabia. he can now push anti-muslim, anti-immigrant policies and say, the saudis are behind me. i have a representative

dictatorship that claims to speak in the voice of islam and endorses everything i do. like a minority who endorses trump, look, i have black friends. >> what you will say they're pulling from this speech when they're debating the very case in the courts, here in the united states on the imgra ition ban and say, hiis consistent with a president that's not necessarily looking at outlawing muslims coming to this country. on this very note, we have -- we have reporters on the ground, hallie jackson, as well as kristen welker saying that the 50 leaders who were in the room for the most part were very much liking what he said there. so why wouldn't this necessarily have been a new moderate messaging coming from president trump and now people just need to wait to see if he it will lows through. >> authoritarians, of course they'll love president trump what lavish attention on him.

there is an arpts -- important port part, the gulf countries do does not represent islam or the majority of the muslims around the world. the majority are if indonesia, south asia, turkey, nigeria and the gulf specifically, this was not a speech about islam. this was not a redirect to the muslim world. this was not a redirect to all of the horribly abusive smears he did against his own citizens, 3 to 4 million who are muslims. this is clearly a redirect for trump administration and gcc countries. this was for their short term and long term economic and political benefit. that's what this was. that's why saudi arabia should be smiling, ear to ear. >> last word to you. >> you know, this is ultimately gog to make things worse, i think that's what us to -- i want focus on. >> worse you say? >> this is going to make things worse because you have iran and russia facing off and isis is taking advantage of the chaos.

this speech was leading -- we thought he'd say isis, he didn't. he made iran into the enemy, even though 15 of the 19 hijackers wither from saudi arabia. he's dumping weapons on saudi arabia which is going to use them in yemen and syria. the reasons that isis has a toe hold is because everyone else is fighting each other instead of fighting them. >> he should have said isis is what you're saying. thank you so much. great conversation. >> thank you. >> all right. next the end of an era for the greatest show on earth. and then next hour, "the point".

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controversial. there are those who remember it and have the great memories of this circus. there are others that are saying, hang on a second. the way that animals are treated is a question. kerry sanders, can you hear me? >> reporter: yeah, so it's 146 years that the circus has entertained across the country. imagine it used to go to 140 different cities, 10 million people would turn out, often it was the most important moment in a small community's year where people would gather. well, after 146 years as you noted the circus is ending. a lot of this has to do with kind of what was unexpected to the circus. the entertainment which runs the circus decided to retire the elephants and then they noticed a much steeper drop in ticket sales than they could have

anticipated and it wasn't making any money. here they are at the end of the road. the circus comes to an end. the producers of the show says she hopes that people will have fond memories of what once was. >> it is entertainment that every single person can enjoy at any age. and no matter you know where you're from, what you do, it's a place that people can always come to, forget whatever was happening and just sit back and be entertained and be wowed and i hope that's what people remember it for. >> reporter: so there will be a lot of sadness here. especially among those who not only have worked in the circus, but those who previously worked in the circus. there are 14,000 seats sold here that's been selling out quite frankly since they announced four months ago that the circus would come to the end. tonight so many who will be in the audience will be former performers. i met a circus clown who went to clown college in 1973 and now here he is coming back to sort

of say good-bye to a part of what has been a piece of americana. this comes to an end a animal rights activists claim victory, saying their efforts have caused what happened. >> kerry sanders, thank you. republican lawmakers get ready to tackle the budget. they're going to try to tackle health care again. i'll talk to a republican congressman about their chances for success. f? american express open cards can help you take on a new job, or fill a big order or expand your office and take on whatever comes next. find out how american express cards and services can help prepare you for growth at open.com.

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president trump just finishing his speech this afternoon eastern time in saudi arabia address 5ing 50 plus leaders of muslim majority countries and delivering it for 30 minutes. now we have a statement from his senior adviser, jarrod cued kus. he said the president asked us

to plan a trip that would help unite the world against intall re intolerance and terrorism. we have made a great move towards that goal signing an agreement negotiated by the president, helping to launch a new center to combat extremism and securing cooperation from countries in the region to outlaw, track, and stop the financing of terror. we are grateful to our host and look forward to continuing to accomplish the president's ambitious objectives on this trip and, of course this is only day two but the statement coming from senior adviser to the president jared kushner just moments ago. president trump though meanwhile having a tumultuouweek of controversy as he was abroad. the department of justice bringing in robert mueller to handle the russia investigation. they reported a current white house official was a significant person of interest in russia probe. jared kushner part of that conversation for some. then wednesday health care gets

a pushed back into the spotlight in several days. that's when the congressional budget office will release its analysis of the house health care reform bill. the bill narrowly passing with 217 votes. this cbo score will determine how many people could lose coverage, something that lost on voters across the country including this mother. >> i'm here because his health care is expensive. and we need to stand up for health care that's matters, you know, medicaid matters. >> and so again, what would happen if medicaid were cut for your family? >> we would be completely bankrupt. we would lose everything. it would just be devastating to our family. >> joining me now republican representative patrick mehan of pennsylvania, memberst house ways and means committee and the house ethics committee. thank you for being with us. did you not vote for the acha. you're one of a very small number that said, no this is not

going to work this way. what are you telling constituents like that young mother with two children with her at that time? how are you reacting to those sorts of statements? >> that had an impact on me. i think we need to try to assure that we can give people the coverage that they expects. i think the senate has an opportunity to try to do that. i still am bullish that there's a chance f us to get to health care. but we have to keep the commitment that wasade by the president himself that said people not going to be worse off than they currently are. >> you note score is coming out by the cbo on wednesday. that may enlighten. that may give ut energy you n-- you the energy. what do you expect to happen on wednesday when that scoring does come out? as it stood before, millions and millions were going to lose coverage. >> well that, was what the problem was the last time the score came out. my sense is that it's not going

to be significantly different. we'll probably see the suggestion that the score will think that numbers of people probably in about the same number would not get coverage. but the tenant may be able to make a difference. one of the reasons or suggestions in the coverage that is not there for medicaid is the distance is too wide between the supplement that would be given to the tax -- you know, the tax credit under the house policy. i think senators are talking about expanding that a bit. that may close that gap. so i'm really looking at not the score but what the senate might do. >> would you want to rescore -- excuse me, revote after the score come out? in the house? >> we need to see -- no. we need to see a bill. this very to take what we have done and put something together. good got it. you'll re-evaluate in that back and forth that does happen. tuesday, let's talk about that, too. that's something that you're watching. expect to get the results of what was just a plan before for the budgets for 2018 coming from

the white house. what are you watching in that budget? there are many cults including medicaid that have been discussed. >> all i remember of a presidtial budgets is just that. it is what the administration is looking to send a signal. but the appropriating is done by congress. you saw in the last budget the work done which was largely different than what the white house put forward. when we get to the end of this year, we're still going to have to come -- accommodate the white house interests in some of the areas. but things like the commitment that was made to research and development, for health care, the 21st century cures, those kinds of things were house supported. i think they'll be supported in the senate. that's all part of the negotiations. i think it's a starting point but i don't know that's going to be the ending point. >> i'm glad we got to have there conversation. thank you. great state of pennsylvania, thank you, sir. >> thanks.

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