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danger zone. north korea now claims its missiles are capable of reaching american military bases. we'll have an exclusive interview with the u.s. ambassador to the u.n., nikki haley, and her response to the nation. and budget blueprint. the white house set to give congress a new proposal but proposed cuts to medicaid could hit the gop base hard. how lawmakers are responding. good morning, everyone. i'm chris jansing at our msnbc headquarters in new york. we continue to follow the breaking news, president trump in israel, the second stop on his historic overseas trip. right now you're taking a look at first lady melania trump at an event with the prime minister's wife, sara netanyahu. the president about to meet with netanyahu at the hotel in jerusalem where he's staying with king david. my nbc colleague kristen welker describes his room as bomb-proof, poison gas-proof and
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gun-groo gun-proof. president trump is the only sitting president to visit the holiest site where jews can pray. but it is in east jeer rusalem the heart of the dispute that makes obtaining peace one of the hardest to achieve. many christians believe jesus was crucified and buried there. all of this after the president arrived in israel this morning on what is believed to be the first direct flight from saudi arabia, which the prime minister netanyahu acknowledged in his welcoming remarks. >> you just flew from riyadh to tel aviv. i hope that one day an israeli prime minister will be able to
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fly from tel aviv to riyadh. >> now we must work together to build a future where the nations of the region are at peace. >> nbc's kelly o'donnell is joining us from jerusalem. kelly, give us a sense of what the expectations game is like there. because you have a president who obviously has had very warm things to say, the relationship with benjamin netanyahu couldn't be much more different than that with barack obama, having said that, we have seen things on changes like making jerusalem the capital. and then you have the whole intelligence flap, whether or not he gave intelligence to the russians. so give us a sense of what it is like there on the ground? >> reporter: good to be with you, chris. president trump can try to leverage a decades-long friendship with the man, benjamin netanyahu, now that they are president and prime minister. that friendship comes into this visit and clearly we have seen that the prime minister has acknowledged the impact and
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importance of the president choosing to make israel part of his first overseas trip, part of the itinerary never been done before. when we talked to senior advisers, in crafting the architect of this trip as they describe it over a 60-day period, they wanted to aim high with goals and ambitions to not play it too safe, knowing that there was a risk of failure. and so that is a somewhat different sort of approach and that they are putting that out there, that they are willing to sort of swing for the fences in some ways. so, in part, the change in the relationship will rely on some of that friendship. the president's disclosure to the russians about information that came from the israelis, that is something that is going to need to lean on that friendship and partnership. also, the u.s. is taking a different position. the president as a candidate talked about moving the u.s. embassy from tel aviv to jerusalem. we have been given very clear
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indications from senior officials that is on hold. even though the president selected an ambassador to israel from the united states who believes that that move should take place. also an ambassador who does not support a two-state solution, home for both israel and the palestinians. so there are some policy differences here. and, in part, what the president is telling us through his advisers and in his own words, is that he's looking for the israelis to be willing to do something, to give something in this. and that the president is willing to invest his own personal capital to be involved, which is always high stakes. presidents have tried before, presidents have come close, thought they had breakthroughs, didn't come to pass, and so for donald trump as president now, this is a high-stakes opportunity, one fraught with all kinds of dangers and all kinds of political peril. that's where we are right now, the friendship, the warmth between the president and the prime minister is an asset, but will it be enough to move this
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process forward, especially with the president meets with mahmoud abbas, the head of the palestinian authority as well. so this trip is trying to move pieces on a very complicated board. chris? >> netanyahu today, mahmoud abbas tomorrow, kelly o'donnell, thank you. we just touched on the apparent intelligence breach that happened when the president was hosting russian officials inside the oval office. i had the ambassador danny dannon on last hour, and he very diplomatically avoided the question about whether this would keep israel from sharing important intelligence with the united states on any level. what are you hearing on the ground there? >> reporter: well, i've been talking, chris, this morning to two people with direct, very direct knowledge of israeli intelligence. one of them a former head of the israeli secret service. he says that israeli officials are still angry. he said they were furious when
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this leak occurred. and he said that there was a meeting between the israeli and american intelligence officials very recently, in which he said there was anger, such as had not been seen at a meeting like that before with israeli intelligence officials shouting at their american counterparts. i also talked to another man with deep sources in the israeli intelligence community, who said something much more worrying. he said that that mistrust is continuing. he said there was hesitation every day to send information from israel down the pipeline as he called it to the united states. this happens once a day, sometimes many times a day. he said there was hesitation every day to do that. and that the 100% trust that is so vital in intelligence matters has gone. now, it may, he said, be rebuilt, but for now there was real, real caution. and when you think about what
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that intelligence cooperation entails despite the iranian nuclear push, it's about chemical weapons in syria, not just about israeli and palestinians, but it's about isis, some of the deepest threats to u.s. national security. so if there is a breakdown in trust in this most trusting relationship, that is really very serious going forward. thank you so much, bill kne neely. this is the president and benjamin netanyahu. let's listen. >> something very historical took place over the last two days, but i can see a much deeper path of friendship with israel than a lot of it is spurred on by whatever it takes. >> i think the fact that you have taken a very strong
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position on -- not only on security, but it also helps with the possibility of reconciliati reconciliation. i do look forward to our discussions. >> with iran, iraq should be very grateful to the united states, because iran negotiated a fantastic deal with the previous administration. a deal that is unbelievable from this standpoint. some people don't understand it. and instead of being thankful and saying thank you, because there was serious stuff, it would have failed in six months. we gave them a lifeline. not only did we give them a
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lifeline, but we gave them wealth and prosperity and the ability to continue in tehran and continue with what they are doing. no matter where we go, we see signs of iran in the middle east, no matter where we go, whether syria, we are forced to shoot the 59 missiles. no matter what area we're in, we see yemen, iraq, no matter where we are, we see the signs, whether it is soldiers, whether it is money, it's iraq. and instead of saying thank you to the united states -- maybe they figure we are so good that they can't do it every time, but it was a terrible, terrible thing for the united states to
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end that deal. iran will never have a nuclear weapon, that i can tell you. >> joining me live now, former ambassador to israel, james cunningham, who served in that role during both george w. bush and the obama administrations, the ambassador to afghanistan during president obama, he advised the obama white house during what led to the 2015 new deal, and the author of the book "lose i "losing iran and t-- or "losing
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an enemy." what did you make of the president's comments? >> well, he's using some of the arguments that were being used by those who lost the battle about the iran deal in the summer of 2015. but reality is that that's actually entirely false. it was not so that the iranians were about to collapse and then suddenly obama out of some pity gave them the deal. on the contrary, what happened by january 2013 is that it had become very clear that the iranians were progressing on the nuclear program much faster than the obama administration could cripple their economy through sanctions. as a result, the best option was to pursue the much more robust diplomatic approach instead of waiting and being forced to take military action. the choice increasingly became clear. they got a deal that put a stop to iran's nuclear program. and even the israeli
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establishment by and large is very happy about that deal right now. >> but the argument that he made a little bit earlier today about ambassador cunningham was this. the president taking aim at iran said they fueled the fires of sectarian conflict and terror of government that speaks openly of mass murder, vowing the destruction of israel, death to america, ruin for many leaders and nations in this very room. so in that context, what do you make of the comments you just heard from the president? >> well, there's no question that iran's activities in the region are destabilizing and very troubling to the united states and to other countries in the region and our partners, and particularly to israel. so that's a reality that needs to be accepted. the agreement with iran, the nuclear deal, was meant to address that specific problem. the nuclear program. there is now another problem that we need to deal with, which
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is what is iran doing in the region? and can there be found a way to respond to that in a way to help stabilize the region? which is part, i have to assume, of what the president is discussing with his interlockers on this trip. >> he did address this in saudi arabia and called on the arab muslim world to step up the fight against terror im. let me play just a little bit about that. >> drive out the extremists. drive them out. drive them out of your places of worship! drive them out of your communities! drive them out of your holy land! and drive them out of this earth. >> the fight against terror was a central fame of his campaign. i want to ask you both about it and start with you, mr. ambassador, do you see any
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possible real deliverables, any relationship that is as that ar any conversations on this trip that will help with that? >> i certainly hope so. and the president said something else that's very important in his speech. he spoke about the need for the islamic world, the arab world, itself, to respond and deal with the problem of violent extremism. this is not something that can be involved by the united states and certainly cannot be solved militarily. we need military force. we need partners in that effort, which we have. and we need to build on that. but we also need an effort from within the islamic world over time and with focus to deal with the broader aspects of this kind of fundamentalist disease that needs to be driven out. but that is an important opening
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and an important conceptual point that i hope they took. >> do you see an opening there? >> there was an opening earlier on and that the nuclear way paved the way for the she collusive dialogue that included the iranians to get everyone at the table. instead, the trump administration is walking the opposite direction. the direction of not engaging in diplomacy with the iranians, seeking isolation, and we have been here before. it's actually the policy that existed for more than three decades prior to the nuclear negotiations. and we also know the result of that. it only led to further destabilization of the reason and not particular positives for other states in the region either. so it is quite regrettable that we're walking backwards instead of utilizing the opening that the dip dlomacy provided. rest assured, while the iraqis are doing negative things in the
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region, nearly $300 billion is certainly not stabilizing the region, it's only further destabilizing the region. >> before we leave, let me go back to you, mr. ambassador, about the personal relationship that has developed and pre-dates the president even thinking about potentially running for president, his relationship with benjamin netanyahu, and how you think that plays into the conversation they're having today, which, if you step back from it, could definitely be difficult from the area of the possibility of the leak of intelligence to the president's changes in positions of things like jerusalem being the capital. >> well, personal relationships are everything in this kind of business. and personal relationships between presidents and other leaders are crucial. when those relations are not good, it's difficult to do things that are important, even
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if both sides, even if both sides want them. there is an important symbolism here and the closeness of the relationship, i think, will also provide a better substantive foundation if there is a viable course forward. and that is what really has to be done here is to develop a real strategy for getting at the kinds of things that both we and our partners want to happen. and first and foremost, that involves efforts to stabilize the region. >> ambassador james cunningham, trina percy, thank you for being with us. i want to go back to kelly o'donnell who has some new information coming out of what we heard from the president. what can you tell us? >> reporter: well, i'm back, chris, because there is a really big development in the relationship between the u.s. and israel. and it has to do with some of the things that have gotten donald trump into trouble back home. we knew that there would be this
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meeting between president trump and the israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu. chris, we have both covered these things over the years, so part of the stage craft is there is the opportunity for the handshake photo and the imagery of the two leaders together. that wrapped up as it would normally do. there was a handshake. then the prime minister sort of hesitated and president trump moved back. and it was benjamin netanyahu who sort of shouted to the press over the den of the colleagues who were asking questions, which is the normal form, and he said the intelligence between the u.s. is good. that seemed to strike a note in president trump's head who put his hands out and stopped the handlers who were trying to rush the press out and they made a striking set of remarks. i believe we have the tape, so instead of my describing it, let's let our viewers see it and controllers, tell me if we don't have that. but it was a remarkable moment.
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>> i never mentioned the word or the name israel in the conversation. so you have the story wrong, never mentioned the word israel. >> thank you. >> reporter: chris, the president was making sort of an allegation under his heading of fake news that somehow the reporting about what he said with the russian ambassador and the russian foreign minister has been mischaracterized. what has come out through the work of our colleagues at "the new york times" and "the washington post" and our own investigative team is that during the meeting with russian foreign minister lavrov and the
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russian ambassador to the united states, that the president indicated that he was getting great intelligence. and then proceeded to share some classified information, which is his legal right to do so, but the implication is that where did that information come from relating to isis and the laptop threat? and was it passable that by sharing this information with an adversarial partner in russia, that it could have revealed something about the source of that information. now, the white house has said the president never revealed sources and methods. and what he's saying here is that he never said israel. well, no one alleged he said israel. the implication was they were, in fact, the source of the information that he was providing. so he sort of responded to a different matter, but what is key about this is both leaders understand how significant this story line and this issue of the president's speaking within his rights, but perhaps out of turn with the russians, and perhaps
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compromising or causing partners like israel some concern about what he would share in these circumstances. what benjamin netanyahu clearly wanted to do, say he has trust in the president, he offered that up. that's really notable. and then the president added his own comments, trying to bond there with benjamin netanyahu, but sort of denying something that had not been overtly alleged. no one said the president said this came from israel, but he talked about the content of information that we later learned was derived from israeli intelligence and shared with the united states. chris? >> thank you so much, kelly o'donnell. you are right, that is a big piece of breaking news coming out of this. and i think it all plays into what we just heard from bill neely reporting that very deeply source of officials he talked to on the ground there in israel that say the israeli intelligence services are hesitating every day to share intelligence as a result of what happened in the oval office meeting. nbc's peter alexander is at the white house this morning for us.
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and i just want to go to that for a second, because it is very important to emphasize what kelly o'donnell says, never in that reporting, either when it started in "the new york times" or what we confirmed here at nbc news, did anyone suggest that the president said israel. the concern was that exactly by stating exactly what happened, it wouldn't be hard for them to go back, realize what country, what intelligence sources were involved, and that could potentially damage, not just our relationship or damage that intelligence, but potentially threaten lives. >> reporter: chris, you're exactly right. to be clear, the white house pushed back throughout this entire process has been not so much about the substance of it but the way the information was being communicated, the leaking of highly classified information. and the fact, they say, their hands are tied to push back on stuff, because the very conversation is classified. but their frustration again is that the information keeps coming out from the closed-door meetings, the latest one taking
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place with sergey lavrov, the foreign minister of russia, and sergey kislyak, the notable russian ambassador to the united states. the first detail about the u.s. intelligence about the threats of laptops to airplanes. the more recently details came out of that, also classified, they suggest that the president referred to his former fbi director as crazy and a whack job. this white house has been put on its heels by this information that continues to come out. but again, as you know, the president has never been suggested that he said the word israel, just multiple sources confirmed that to be the source of that intelligence. >> peter alexander at the white house for us, thank you so much. again, with that breaking news, and i think it's also worth noting that what we heard from hallie jackson there on the ground is that the white house has been feeling very good about how the president has stuck to script while clearly there after that little aside by benjamin netanyahu, he went off script denying something that had never been alleged.
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north korea says it is ready to start producing a new medium-range missile capable of reaching japan and military bases. the regime says the missile tested on sunday is in answer to president trump's policies. nickkey h nikki hailey has her own message for north korea. we'll go live to craig melvin who traveled with nikki haley. what did the ambassador tell you about this? >> reporter: well, chris, you know sunday's launch was the 11th since the beginning of president trump taking office. there's been some declaration from the u.s. officials that
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this is the last straw. there's going to be some sort of consequence for this action. so just a few hours after north korea's most recent launch, i asked the u.s. ambassador, what now? north korea has launched yet another missile. a few weeks ago in an interview, you said that we should continue to try the sanctions. at what point do we try something else? at what point do we concede that's not working? >> we're doing that now. in terms of getting another resolution together, looking at sanctions and how we're going to continue to force it, because this is the same movie that keeps playing. >> all options are on the table? >> all options are on the table. >> reporter: what does that mean? what does that include? >> that means we have made it very clear. we don't want to start a fight, so don't give us a reason to have one. >> reporter: so, chris, the ambassador also spent some time talking to me about president trump's revealing of that highly-classified information to
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russia last week in the oval office, information that we now know came from israel. the breaking news of the morning, of course, the president now saying he never uttered the word "israel." the ambassador admitted to me that she had a conversation with the fbi director mike pompeo about dealing with the conversations going forward with our allies but did not reveal that information. but the conversation essentially has been, listen, the united states of america can still be trusted with highly-classified, sensitive material. the ambassador said she has to deal with that kind of information on a regular basis, as does other cabinet officials. so there's been an effort to reassure our friends abroad, chris. >> nbc's craig melvin with that fantastic news-making interview. thank you for that. joining me now is the national securi security reporter from the
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"washington post." i want to get your reaction since you have been following this closely. the president saying he never uttered the word "israel" when speaking to the russian ambassador inside the oval office. and, of course, the foreign minister. what do you make of that? >> reporter: well, first, i would say, if you go back to the original story in "the washington post" where that broke, did we utter the word "israel"? i don't think so. it seems like he's taking down a point that wasn't made. and my other reaction is, he's uttering the word now. i mean, if he's really trying to protect sources and methods, why sort of back-door confirm what everyone's been reporting that israel is at the center of this. so i'm sort of perplexed why why he would say that. >> back on the 16th, h.r. mcmaster said, and i quote, the president isn't even aware of where this information came from. he wasn't briefed on the source or method in so many different
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ways, and back-handed ways, the white house is confirming exactly what was reported. >> reporter: yeah, it is very strange. i guess you would assume he has been briefed since, if what h.r. mcmaster said was true back then, but it's just very strange that he would unprompted kind of reveal that today. >> meantime, the conversation we just had, you heard part of it with ambassador nikki haley, she told craig melvin she welcomes a special prosecutor to oversee the russia investigation. i want to play that for you. >> i think we absolutely need an investigation. >> reporter: trump said the appointment of robert mueller devices this conversation. you disagree with that assessment? >> i think all the questions need to be answered so the administration can get back to work. >> that's in direct contradiction to what other members of the senior white house staff have said, that they never thought this investigation was necessary. >> yeah, i think throughout the
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presidency, he's had trouble of getting on the same page with his aides sometimes. he's called this a witchhunt, he underhandedly demeans the special prosecutor and what nikki haley is saying. this can go a long way in answering the questions and a lot of the questions in a way that people are satisfied, that people feel like we've gotten to the truth and that the investigation wasn't compromised. because bob mueller running the investigation now is a man of such high integrity and is well respected in washington. >> in the meantime, you wrote a blockbuster story that has washington buzzing and was all weekend long, saying that the russia probe has reached a current senior white house official. that that person is a significant person of interest. tell us a little bit more about that, but let's go to the next step and what your sense is. so now you have jason chafefetz with the phone call today with comey. the senate wants to do an interview with comey.
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some suggestions that perhaps the public interviews or the public questions in front of the congressional committee won't happen because of james mueller. what is your sense of how fast all of this is moving and will move? >> reporter: it's moving very quickly. even before the appointment of the special prosecutor, we understand this investigation had escalated in the coming weeks. we have reported that we're going to see more subpoenas, we have reported on one that was already issued, interview requests potentially, which oversteps the investigation. when the investigators decide to do that, they run the risk that the targets of those can go talk about them publicly. so that is an indication that the investigation is nearing a new stage. and i think you mentioned that there's a lot to look forward to in the coming weeks in terms of the potential public rell ovations about this. the former fbi director, james comey, agreed to testify. we'll have to see what he says.
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he wouldn't reveal the details of the investigation, but he has a lot of things he can shed light to, including the circumstances surrounding his firing. i would think he could get into that, which is an interesting component here. >> matt, you have been doing great reporting on all of this. thank you so much. >> thank you. up next, we're live on capitol hill on the breaking news of what this means for the congressional probe.
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we're keeping our eye on several developments happening right now. president trump is with benjamin netanyahu in israel where he went to the holy wall. and we are joined by a member of the foreign affairs and joint economic committee. you're obviously well aware of the situation of the complexities involved and the stake that is are involved in this visit by the president. on one hand, you have the relationship to go back between these men literally for decades, a very positive relationship. on the other hand, you have the inconsistencies in what the president has said about everything from moving the u.s. embassy, about two-state solutions. give me your take on the importance of this meeting. and do you think things can be accomplished here? >> this is an incredible trip
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that the president put together, starting out in saudi arabia and working on the effort for moderate messaging about his lam islam. and now going to israel, highlighting the next of theabr. and dealing with the problems of the world, including islamic terror im. going to the wall is a great symbol of his interest and having israel participate in the community of nations and the value that israel can bring to bear. and now he's going to complete it by going to the holy sea. >> i don't think there's any doubt about the symbolic power of what we saw this morning, but when you get down to the nuts and bolts and he said, for example, he thinks there's new reason for hope in the peace process. after he said in march, it's not as difficult as people thought it was over the years. do you think that's a realistic assessment? >> well, i think there's a couple interesting things happening. one of the collateral benefits, if you will, of obama's
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empowerment of iran is that it's driven israel and the sunni world closer together. now, with the president's trip, after he creates an opportunity to bring visibility to the potential for cooperation among the sunni arabs and israel. >> there is, obviously, something that just happened that is going to be getting a lot of attention, and that is the president when he was leaving to go into the meeting with benjamin netanyahu. and there's been a lot of concern in israel, rourtiour reg says from the israeli intelligence every single day there's hesitation to provide information to the united states because of what happened in the oval office between the president and russian leaders. the president said, i never said the word "israel." and no one said he said the word "israel." are you concerned about the implications of what the president's conversations were with russia and what has seemed
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to be the tacid admission of what happened in our intelligence gathering capabilities? >> well, i think the president has a lot of latitude to use our intelligence as he sees fit, as long as he doesn't get into specific sources and methods and things like that. i don't know enough about exactly what was said. obviously, there's speculation that he did not say israel. he said he did not say israel, but he did talk to the russians about the content of the materi material. >> is that troubling to you? >> it depends what he said. i don't know how far he went. how many details, how many details that would move towards how the intelligence was collected? who might have done it? whether it would jeopardize a source or not. to use a source of intelligence, there's a major threat in a particular part of the world, is not so bad. but to go deeply and say, we had someone and so-and-so in the area finding this or that out might be different. >> let me ask you finally about the domestic situation going on
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full tomorrow. the president's first budget, the first full budget. and it could include up to $800 billion in cuts to medicaid. and at a health care summit in florida on friday, one provider said that the cuts would mean, and i'm quoting, significantly less money for seniors in nursing homes, the disabled, more than 40% of florida's children who are covered by medicaid, she said, quote, florida is going to be faced with some very bad choices. what do you -- what are you prepared to say about the budget right now and what looks to be huge cuts to that program? >> first, i want to study the facts. >> would that be acceptable to you, the kind of cuts being reported? >> well, we're way too far down the road in this country to abandon the safety net to take care of people at risk and can't help themselves. now, the idea of cutting federal money and maybe replacing it with state money or giving federal money to the states and giving them more flexibility, like has been talked about in the health care bill, makes a
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lot of sense. the principle of subsidiary, that we try to have the problem-solving closest to the people that have the problem. >> congressman francis rooney from florida, appreciate your time. and we have breaking news, the associated press reporting this morning that former national security adviser michael flynn will invoke the fifth amendment today and refuse to comply with subpoenas for documents related to the russia investigation. nbc news capitol hill correspondent kasie hunt is joining me now. what are you hearing, kasie? >> reporter: hi, chris. we are waiting to hear exactly what will come next on this probe that the senate intelligence committee is doing. again, the a.p. reporting this news that you have just outlined. now, to put this in a little bit of context, this probe is something that wouldn't result in criminal charges. this is the senate intelligence committee trying to get to the bottom of russian meddling in this election. so if you were michael flynn, if you are michael flynn's lawyer, anything you might turn over to
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this committee could be fodder for what we know now is the probe being led by mr. mueller that could potentially result in criminal charges for michael flynn. so again, invoking the fifth amendment, not an official admission of guilt. the president, president trump, previously tweeted in regards to hillary clinton and the fifth amendment that potentially this does imply some guilt, but legally it does not. but we know from talking to some senators over the course of the last couple of weeks, our capitol hill team here spoke to senator lindsey graham who made the point, look, there's no reason for michael flynn to turn over the documents to supply with this subpoena while he's facing something that has potentially higher stakes. >> that indicates you are following your e-mails while on your honeymoon, which is completely unacceptable. we are happy to have you back. >> reporter: i was not. frank filled me in this morning. i really appreciate all of that. >> congratulations from all of
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as the investigations into russia go forward, a lot of attention is turning to the president's about $1.7 trillion ten years including about $800 billion from medicaid. i want to bringing in the national reporter for "the new york times" and msnbc contributor, beth fuoy senior editor of politics. health care interesting. you went to montana this weekend. there was a rally for the democrat hoping to unseat a republican. they're not hyper focused on james comey or the russia investigation. they care about health care, right. >> yeah, it was remarkable. bernie sanders was campaigning for robquist running in a special election this week. there was almost no discussion of russia at all. bernie sanders was the only one who brought it up. all the speaks are were talking about health care, potential
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cuts to medicaid to folks who might pay more in the event the republican health care plan goes through. jenny had two children, one has cerebral palsy and she was telling me if this plan goes through, she's going to be devastated and bankrupt. let's listen. >> i'm here because his health care is expensive. we need to stand up for health care that matters. medicaid matters. >> reporter: so again, what would happen if medicaid were cut for your family? >> we would be completely bankrupt. we would lose everything. it would just be devastating to our family. >> yeah, and that's a very, very sad situation for that woman but it was actually something we heard from many, many voters in that room. they were there because of health care. we didn't hear anything about the russia probe. >> the president was asked about this repeatedly on the campaign trail. let's take a listen about
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something he said. do we have that? >> save medicare, medicaid, and social security without cuts. have to do it. get rid of the fraud, get rid of the waste and abuse. but save it. >> you just did a remarkable bit of reporting. you went out into other parts of the country. and health care obviously one of the key things that people are looking at and the people who could be hardest hit, many of them trump voters, right? >> it's remarkable the people that will be hardest hit are as you said trump voters. they're people who are working class. noncollege educated white people who voted in droves for donald trump. and who now stand to lose. in part of my story i wrote about a community in texas that has arsenic in their water. a drug treatment in new hampshire that will not be that will not be able to serve people.
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this is the state in the middle of an opioid crisis if the budget is cut. i talked to another man in indiana whose job was created through a hud program, a program through the housing, the department of housing and urban development that might get cut because of this. so really then there's the hopeless shelter in california where people are trying to get money from the federal government to build that community's only permanent homeless shelter. these are cuts that go straight to the core of a lot of the americans, cuts that are going to be very personal and these are things that i think people went to the ballot box and thought about. they thought about the fact they wanted to have health care and all these other things. donald trump made them a promise that said i'm not going to cut these programs. >> it's interesting the last two hours, i've talked to two republican congress men about the budget. neither of them was overtly critical of the president but certainly suggested that this is something that would not be acceptable to them or to their
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constituents. so what kind of fight is setting up on the hill. >> a huge fight. unlike tax reforms or other legislation that maybe is something people talk about and makes big headlines but people don't understand, health care and food stamps and welfare benefits and whether or not there's a drug opioid center in your community to help your child out if they're struggling with addiction is something that people very much understand. it's going to absolutely -- it's going to encourage people to vote to make the decision who they're going to support. these congressmen as much as i think they're interested in their zrings and how people fare, they're thinking about re-election. in 2018 and 2020, people will know whether or not dzhokhar tsarnaev helped them with health care or took away their benefits. >> there was an interesting quote, beth in, the axios summary of this budget that they quote a white house source saying conservatives will love it. moderates will probably hate it. i thought when i saw parts of
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the rally that you went to, even though this is not obviously a member of congress who is having a town hall, the message was very much the same. >> yeah, that's right. these are people across the country who do not have a lot of money. they do rely on these public programs. they are facing particularly for trump voters a real shock. he was somebody who seemed to understand that these are government programs that people really rely on for their livelihood. this comes against the republican ideaology we've seen over the course of many years. there needs to be cuts to the budget that some of the programs have grown too big, to uncontrollable. and that they need to be scaled back. because the president says he won't cut social security or medicare, that means everything else, the things she's talking about, the things people i spoke to in montana are potentially on the chopping block. that's tough for lawmakers to explain to constituents. >> thanks to both of you. great reporting both. we'll be right back.
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hour of "msnbc live." i'm chris jansing. right now on msnbc, "andrea mitchell reports." >> and right now on a special edition of "andrea mitchell reports," live from jerusalem. the push for peace. president trump on a historic and ambitious trip to the middle east earlier today becoming the first sitting u.s. president to visit judaism's holiest site the
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christian wall and the church of the holy sepulcher. any moment we're expecting a joints statement from the president and the israeli prime minister. but already, president trump has reopened that intelligence flap with israel while inferring to reporters ef never mentioned israel in the oval office meeting with the russians. >> cooperation is terrific. >> just so you understand, i never mentioned the word or the name israel. never mentioned it. in that conversation. so you had to know the story. never mentioned the word israel. >> the problem, no u.s. official till now has even confirmed those reports that the country's intelligence was compromised was in fact israel which has created a huge stir here in this country. a welcome fit for a king. an even grander reception at the president's first stop saudi arabia. as mr. trump m
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