it is 2:00 p.m. in the east, 11:00 a.m. out west. the word of the day? today there's two words again. it's "lawyered up." >> president trump is lawyering up. he will hire his long-time manhattan lawyer as his private attorney. >> they represent russia. i think there is an element of trump that says screw all of them, screw everything.

>> he makes it hard. connect the dots. >> the president hires his own attorney to help with the russia probe, but does trump's lawyer have some potential conflicts of his own? more trouble for michael flynn. the house is preparing to join the senate and subpoena the former national security adviser. >> early on agreed to a modu modus operandi where the strong presumption would be that if people don't cooperate, we will subpoena them. threat levels rise in the u.k. as they raise it to critical. plus new news on the suspect. why they think they're dealing with a network. our team of reporters and analysts are here to debrief right now. let's start with peter alexander who is in front of the white house. peter, donald trump has hired a lawyer that he has worked with in the past, but he's also a lawyer that -- who one of his clients is russia state bank. talk to me about the conflict there, and why is he picking

him? >> reporter: bottom line is this is a relationship president trump has had with mark kasowitz that dates back 15 years. an attorney that the president has known for that time is a lawyer that helped him with his past divorces, helped him in a rival suit with the "new york times" recently during the campaign after they reported on the president inappropriately touching women several years ago. they asked for a refraction. the "new york times" did not give them that refraction. but this is a relationship that dates back. we know how this president is loyal to people with whom he has personal relationships. he was the co-ko hco-counsel due trump university cases as well. that is one of the main reasons why the president has settled on him as the person he will be retaining as part of his legal team. it is likely that this team grows so it is not just one particular outside lawyer, but that there could be others involved in this effort on all

things rhee re laelated to the investigation. >> and joe lieberman is part of that firm, or used to be part of that firm, the casowitz firm. does that affect things? >> you're right, he's been a part of that firm for four years, since 2013. there was a report today suggesting he has been ruled out as a potential replacement for james comey. a senior official here tells me that he hasn't been ruled out, that they are broadening their search, that he is still a part of that broader search, but obviously for that basic conflict of interest or even optics of that relationship he has with the casowitz and president trump hiring mark casowitz himself, it might make sense they would go a different direction. >> michathey have been denied a

request for testimony by mike flynn. do they have any hope for testimony without a subpoena? >> they will probably give him a subpoena. they originally asked flynn's team to basically come up with a list of the times he had met with any trump campaign officials or with russian officials, and essential his lawyers came back and said, you know what, doing that would basically amount to offering personal testimony that could potentially be self-incriminating, so we're not going to do it. so now the challenge for these house and senate committees is to figure out a way to get them to give up those documents. it looks like subpoenaing flynn's businesses is going to be part of that, because businesses are not -- they do not have 5th amendment rights the way an individual person has those rights. and so that could potentially complicate this. of course, they are going to subpoena flynn himself, and that's what adam schiff talked to me a little about earlier

today. take a look. >> given what he has already said with the interaction with the senate, it will be necessary, i think, to subpoena not only his personal but his businesses and any remedies necessary if he refuses to comply. >> reporter: what other remedies might be available, they could in theory hold him in contempt of congress, but that, of course, would require republican cooperation. i think the view is that that is probably unlikely, at least in the current political climate. of course, there is a lot of concern about stepping on bop mu -- bob mueller's, the special counsel investigation, at what's going on here. >> has there been talk about giving flynn immunity? >> interesting you should ask that. the senate richard burr ruled that out categorically earlier this week, so that's a non-starter. but when i talked to adam schiff, he actually said, you know what, we could get to the point where there might be

immunity. he mentioned to me that this was something that was on the table before, they had asked for it, and that might be something they could look at. he called it a last resort but didn't close the door on it entirely. that puts a little daylight between the senate side and the house side on this, and that would have serious repercussions, potentially, for any other investigations that are ongoing. >> nbc's kasie hunt on capitol hill and peter alexander at the white house. guys, thank you very much. a special fbi agent and fellow with george washington university. nick ackerman is a former u.s. attorney involved in the watergate investigation. and matt miller, former justice department chief spokesman and an nbc news justice security analyst. gentlemen, thank you very much for joining me. let's talk about this lawyer that president trump has hired, mark casowitz. do you think it's prudent for somebody to hire someone with his own ties to russia, for one, and someone who is not a traditional washington lawyer

who understands the intricacies of what this will look like in washington. >> it's definitely a problem. not only is he not a washington lawyer, he's not a criminlawyer this, he is a criminal lawyer. he just seems someone you would not go for with someone in these circumstances. donald trump has a reputation in this town, including stiffing contractors. he has stiffed lawyers in new york city. if i was representing donald trump, which i have no intention of doing, i would want to have all my fee up front so as not to be the last victim in the crime wave. i think it will be very difficult for him to find the right person. >> matt, how much is flynn factoring into all of this, and

is he going to find himself needing to cooperate with one of the congressional hearings at some point, or could he just cooperate with robert mueller's investigation? is that an option? >> you know, it's a great question. he, of course, doesn't have to cooperate with anyone. what his lawyers are doing right now is trying to delay handing over documents. they know that taking the 5th, using the 5th amendment to resist turning over documents is not sustainable in the long term if the senate chooses to go to court and try to enforce that subpoena. but it seems they're trying to delay -- remember, at the same time, there's a much more threatening investigation to general flynn, and that's the doj investigation that will now be in bob mueller's hands where it appears mike flynn faces serious legal jeopardy and potentially criminal charges. so if i'm flynn and if i'm flynn's attorneys, i'm trying to hold off cooperating until the very end, until i can get the very best deal possible. that's when i think we'll find out if there's something else flynn knows. does he know about his own

conductor potential conduct on trump? >> john brennan yesterday during his testimony talked about when they started looking into this and why, and it was because of contact between a u.s. person from the trump campaign and russia that raised some red flags. take a listen to what he said exactly. >> i encountered and am aware of information in intelligence that revealed contacts and interactions between russian officials and u.s. persons involved until the trump campaign. >> how striking is it for you to have the former director of the cia go out and say there was something happening. we weren't quite sure what it was, but it did have to do with the trump campaign and russian officials. >> it adds a third dimension into this investigation. you know, we know about the

hacks, we overtly saw the influence out of russia. that's what my colleagues and i studied. now we see there is actual physical contacts, there's people connecting with each other, talking with each other. and that brings it to a new level. it could be more than one person or multiple people. if we look back to july of last year at some of the things that were occurring. carter paige appeared in moscow. you knew about general flynn because he had showed up at an rt event. and paul manafort, a lot of his connections were surfacing during that time. multiple points of contact could be what tipped off john's testimony yesterday. we just got a report that says trump is at 54% approval rating. on that point we keep learning that the trump administration or trump himself asked some other intelligence official to publicly say there was no "there, there" with the russian investigation. everyone on capitol hill is

debating right now whether that is an obstruction of justice. nick, if you were trying this case, what would you be laying out? >> i would be looking at all of those facts. every day there is a new piece of evidence that strengthens the obstruction of justice against donald trump. it's not just that he asked comey to stop the investigation. it's not just that he fired him because he was concerned about the russian investigation. we're now finding that his intent, which an obstruction of justice is an intent crime, did he intend to stop the investigation, interfere with the investigation. i mean, the evidence just keeps building up here. obviously we haven't heard the testimony from the two chief intelligence officers, we haven't seen the comey memos, but based on what is out there at this point, if i were the prosecutor, i would feel pretty good about having an extremely strong case of obstruction of justice against donald trump. >> what do you make of the report that when donald trump was talking to the fbi director in the oval office, he asked

a.g. sessions and one other official to leave -- i'm blanking on the other official -- the vice president, excuse me, to leave. does that indicate to you that he wanted to have a private conversation that he didn't want the other two to hear because he knew he was doing something wrong? or could it have been innocuous? could he have he wanted to have a one on one where he charms the guy? >> if you took that by itself, one could argue it was innocuous. but when you put it in the contest of the overwhelming evidence that appears to be building up at this point, the fact he waits 18 days to fire flynn the day afterwards and that's not because the press puts heat on him. valentine's day he meets with comey in this meeting asking him to stop the investigation. then he tells lester holt the reason he did it was because of the russia investigation, and now you've got him talking to two of the heads of national

security agencies, asking them to contradict comey and say there was no evidence of collusion. when you put all of that together, all of it in context and not take out little snippets like the white house would like us to focus on, the evidence is extremely strong. >> nick ackerman, clint watts, matt miller, guys, thank you very much. right now in brussels, thousands of demonstrators are taking to the streets in protest of the nato summit. president trump meets face to face with nato leaders for the first time tomorrow, and he could get a much chillier reception than he did in the middle east or earlier today at the vatican, even. the nato meeting comes after months of tension. the trump administration famously branded the alliance obsolete over and over again on the campaign trail. >> by the way, i'm right about nato. we have nato and we're giving countries a free ride. nato is obsolete, it's old, it's fat, it's sloppy. >> i said it's obsolete, and it is. it's obsolete.

recently i have said that nato was obsolete. >> nbc pentagon correspondent hans nichols is live for us in brussels. hans, i had another quote for you earlier and here's one for today. donald trump is saying nato is old, fat and sloppy. is that going to complicate things? >> reporter: that's not the way he described the new headquarters of nato and that's my artful way out of that question. i spoke to an official about this earlier today, and i think the word they're describing on their reception to donald trump is attentive. they really want to take a measure of the man, because so much of trump, whether it's domestic or national consumption, is trying to figure out where the bluster ends and the real policy begins. that's where i think they'll be clud i clued in, listening, looking at body language, trying to figure out what trump actually believes on nato. his secretary of state, his secretary of defense, his vice president have all assured everyone here that they believe in nato, they believe in article

5, they believe in common defense. they haven't heard those words from donald trump. one thing about covering an au summit here in brussels, they're a lot of fun. they land with their leaders, they brief their corps and then everybody talks about what they want to get out of the meetings. everybody reads these papers and end up leaking afterwards. so you do get a very good sense about what happens in these meetings and it's not always diplomatic. katy? >> nothing worse than a bunch of journalists in the room together, especially if you throw in a cocktail or two. hans, the protests have been gathering and building around you for the last couple of hours. where does it stand? >> reporter: they've moved away here and shifted on down. it's mostly broken up here outside of where we are. i'm not going to make an estimate on how many people were there. there was a 6,000 report earlier. i will say one thing, i heard mostly american accents on what

they're chanting. it's not like we heard a bunch of european accents in english, these were american accents in english. there are a lot of expats here protesting donald trump. there was no real violence, but it looks like the protests have petered out. katy? >> hans nichols with his eagle eyes and hawk ears. appreciate it. do hawks have ears? do they have ears that hear well is what i meant. i know they have ears. hans nichols, appreciate it. next up, we are live in the u.k. more raids and arrests were carried out today as parents wait for word on their missing kids and locals refuse to give in to terror. >> i'm heartbroke at the moment because i don't know where she is. i don't know if she's alive, even, yet. >> it wasn't a peaceful day. >> reporter: there's more good people than bad people you know, right? >> yeah.

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we have some breaking news in the investigation to the man of the wemanchester bombing. i understand both the father and brother have been arrested? >> reporter: yeah, two developments over the last 24 hours, katy. we heard earlier this morning that the brother of salman

abedi, the manchester bomber, had been arrested on suspicion of having links with islamic state group in syria. it then emerged within the last hour or so that he is suspected of having not only traveled from the u.k. to tripoli around six weeks ago, but he is suspended of planning a terrorist act inside tripoli and libya as well. it's now being reported that this afternoon libyan time, the father of these two brothers was arrested, too. what he was arrested for is not yet clear, but of course, earlier this week the elder brother was arrested right here in manchester, england. so a great deal of the focus of this investigation is now on the people around him, the people closest to him, and whether they knew that this attack was being planned and was about to take place, katy. >> talk to me about the raids

that are ongoing. what more are they looking for and have they found any other bomb-making materials in homes? have you been able to assess that out from investigators yet? >> reporter: well, there's no sign of any discoveries of bomb-making equipment yet, but that is certainly what they're looking for. they consider it to be unlikely that this bomber was acting on his own given the complexity of the device. and with that in mind, five arrests so far have been made here in the u.k., one just this afternoon u.k. time. plainclothes police officers dragging a suspect to the ground. he was said to be wearing a suspicious bag on his back. we don't know what the investigation into his background has so far gleaned. >> thank you very much.

former fbi special agent clint watts is back with me now. clint, a lot of breakdown here. this bomb that rohan was just describing, authorities don't believe he did it on his own. he's 23 years old. how sophisticated was this bomb making, and if he didn't do it on his own, i believe his brother was there. who else was there that could have helped him with that and how wide is the fbi going to expand those raids? >> i think it's key to remember that any time you have a suspect like this, especially a bomb plot, there are usually two people under the plotter who are supporters. you're going to be looking for two things. where did he get the components to actually build this bomb and how was it put together? this seems like a very sophisticated device. this is more similar to what we saw in paris and brussels.

usually that requires somebody who is experienced in bomb making. either they traveled overseas and worked with a foreign terrorist group like isis and sir yaryri syria, or this could be isis and libya. you always look to father and friends, that's what we're seeing out here, brothers -- >> what do you make of the father being involved? >> this is not uncommon. usually terror recruitment and plots sometimes are those of the last generation. al qaeda was isis. isis now has tons of foreign fighters that are out there and they will give birth to another generation. >> what do you make of this being a british national? so many times we're seeing these bombers, these attackers, to be people who were born in the country that they're attacking, second generation immigrants. >> right. it's a very common thing we see in europa cross these immigrant communities. they lack some sort of connection. they haven't essentially assimilated into these countries

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we have the top headlines. we begin with trump overseas trip. he was recently in belgium. tomorrow he'll sit down with nato leaders to discuss the fight against terror. back in washington, mick mulvaney was on the hill today defending the president's $3 trillion plan before the house budget committee. committee member and house republican mark sanford had some pretty pointed criticism for the white house's proposal. >> you have said that the foundation of your budget is 3%

growth. and i've looked every which way at how you might get there, and you can't get there. it's not only a myth, it's frankly a lie. >> and in cambridge, massachusetts, harvard class day has quite the speaker lineup. former secretary of state john kerry is speaking right now at harvard. also speaking in a couple minutes, fired acting attorney general sally yates and former vp joe biden. let's take a little flashback to january. republicans had high hopes for their agenda. not only did they control the house and the senate, but now for the first time in eight years, the white house i the, t wins on policy have been few and far between. so much so that when health care passed earlier this month, it was only the first part of the process. they celebrated in the rose garden. now nine months later, they're not going to do anything.

they realize political malpractice to blow at least the first nine months of all republican rule but also realize there is little they can do to avoid the dismal outcome. >> you just articulated you will not have a major accomplishment. >> i wouldn't say that at all. i disagree with that completely. i actually -- i heard you say that this morning, so i brought an e-mail. look at what we've done already. number of bills passed in the house in the first 100 days of a new presidency, 22 and bush 41, 28 for clinton, 42 for george w. bush, 93 for obama, 103 for republicans in the first 100 days. >> here with me now to discuss, former democratic congressman. i totally bungled up that read, but you know what i'm saying. they're not going to get anything done. this is a republican president.

they can't get anything done because of all the controversies. you heard paul ryan responding to that. noelle, what is it like being a republican these days? >> you will find out because i'm scrambling right now. it's very hard stimometimes. it's hard to defend the party, it's hard to defend trump. but i will say one thing. we do have some things to be proud of. we have a supreme court nominee through, gorsuch, which is great. we got 300,000 jobs within his first month, and a lot of these are union jobs. >> supreme court nominee, that's one thing. but, you know, they're fighting over health care, they had to go back to it twice, they're waiting for a cbo score today. the senate says it's not going to go anywhere, the senate says trump's tax proposal is dead on arrival. he promised to do infrastructure. what's going to be happening? >> we know it's on us, and i'm not going to try to feed you a line of anything. we know it's on us. we know the pressure is on us.

we know that with a republican house and a republican senate, republican president, we know all eyes are on us, and it's our ball to fumble. right now we have had a couple of fumbles. we know this. ask paul ryan. and it doesn't matter who is to blame, we have to get this right. we have to get health care right and taxes right for the american people. >> so if the republicans fumble, how do the democrats pick up the ball? >> one of the things, and i applaud your honesty about this thing. one problem a democrat has with a republican to get things done is if he loses his standing in the country. if a democrat has high standing in a republican congress, he's likely to get things done and if he has a democratic congress and vice versa. this president's numbers have dropped. paul ryan doesn't have full control. history has taken some of the tools away that he had that former speakers had to corral republican lines. you couple that with the fact there is a lot of intrafighting. the democrats really didn't have

to put forward an agenda. the agenda has been to watch the republicans fumble. i hope they provide an agenda around taxes and health care. up to this point it's really been a comedy of errors on the republicans' part. >> you're right, we have to get this together. the midterm elections are coming up. if the republicans cannot seem to unite, at least behind the scenes, you know, then we're looking at losing some seats. >> are they really concerned about that? are they looking to 2018 and saying, we have to get our act together, or do they believe there is enough time before then, and hey, listen, donald trump hasn't had to deal with consequences for any of the things he's done in the past, a political consequence, at least, he won the election. could this all end up being okay, don't listen to the media, don't list ton the poll numbers, don't mind those rowdy town halls? >> i think it's very real. we were just talking about the race in georgia.

that should have been an easy win. that should have been an easy gop deal. >> it might still be, you never know. >> but the fact he gave her the run for the money like that. >> the race isn't over. i didn't mean it cut you off, but all this background noise with hearings in washington, whether or not paul ryan is able to hold this group together in congress, is the senate going to come forward a health care bill, anything can happen between now and june 15. karen handle has been so frustrated with this thing going on so long, and the new jersey and virginia governor races. if terry mccukucullough is able help a victim there, it will help. >> i love having southern guests on. you two are polite to each other, you're friendly. thank you, guys, very much. at any moment we expect a revised cbo score on the gop

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there would have been 28 million uninsured. we're waiting to see what the cbo says this number is. then we're going to talk about premiums, how much they're going up. before obamacare, single policyholders were seeing 10% a year increases to their premium. after obamacare, they started to increase at a lower rate. premiums have never gone down, they started to go up at a lower rate. we want to see what the increase in premiums is likely to be, and over time, by 2026, under oba obamacare, we were expecting by 2026 to see 5.5% increases per year to their premiums. we want to know under trumpcare or the health care act what that will be. there's another issue here, and that's medicaid. this is a much bigger issue, not just for those who are on medicaid, but if there is a very big impact to the deficit because of what's going on in the american health care act, republicans may not be able to continue to get this bill passed. but we are going to be looking

at how much less direct spending to medicaid is in this bill and how many fewer enrolees there will be as a result of this bill. this is what i have my eye on right now. any minute now we should get this bill. if you're still on tv, i'll come and tell you about them. >> ali, is there a chance that could get revoted on in the house? >> yeah. because of the idea it's supposed to reduce the deficit by a certain amount of money, if it has an outsize effect on the deficit or the budget bone way r another, they may have to vote on it. nobody knows what's in these numbers, but this has a technical effect, as you just mentioned, and it will have a political effect if this big number soars as a result of the cbo score, what you'll hear is a lot of people telling you don't trust the congressional budget office, but a whole bunch of other people will be saying this bill is bad news. >> the senate already said they'll be working from scratch, so -- >> mick mulvaney did say the

bill as it stands is going to have great difficulty to get through, anyway. so the actual bill will probably look different than the bill we get a score on. >> ali velshi, appreciate it. we'll see you at the top of the hour. thank you. next, the president and the pope, did they find common ground today at the vatican? a former u.s. ambassador to the holy sea joins me. but first hear what trump said about the pontiff during last year's campaign. >> the pope said something to the effect of, maybe donald trump isn't christian. he's questioning my faith. i was very surprised to see it but i am a christian. for a religious leader, to question one's faith is disgr e disgraceful. the independence. and since we planned for it, that student debt is the one experience, i'm glad she'll miss

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have those screened separately. as you know, you're already required to screen your laptop separately, but now that will include e-readers or dvd players or anything of that nature. they're asking for those to be screened separately. this is unrelated -- we should underscore that -- unrelated with the ongoing discussions with europeans on whether to ban all electronics from europe to the u.s. this is about domestic flights, and what they're saying is people are cramming so much stuff in their carry-on bags that sometimes it's difficult for the screeners sitting at those computer screens to see what's inside the bag. as a result, they're now asking people to remove personal electronics larger than a cell phone from those bags for a separate screening. i mentioned a dozen airports. here they are: boise, colorado springs, detroit, ft. lauderdale, boston logan, lax, lubbock, texas, san juan, las vegas and phoenix.

those are the dozen airports in a testing of a pilot program, but of course going right into the very busy memorial day weekend and the kickoff for summer travel. if this succeeds, if the tsa finds this is successful and it doesn't significantly delay lines, you could see them possibly roll this out to a broader set of airports nationally. but they're starting out with these 12 airports or so, and now, separately, the europeans and the tsa still discussing whether to ban all electronics on carry-ons from europe to the u.s. those discussions are still ongoing. back to you. >> tom costello in washington. tom, thank you. >> you bet. turning to a much different topic. if a picture is worth a thousand words, what does this picture of president trump and his family meeting pope francis for the first time say? the president with a big grin on his face, the vatican, the rest of the family and the pontiff, not so much. the president tweeted about the visit. honor of a lifetime to meet his

holiness pope francis. i leave the vatican more than ever with proposing peace for the world. matt malone, president and editor in chief of american magazine. also u.s. ambassador to the vatican under the clinton administration. father, let's start with you. that picture is making the rounds on social media and a lot of people are looking at it and saying that pope francis was not happy to see president trump. what is your take on it? >> well, i think we can read too much into these things. first of all, the pope doesn't usually smile a lot in posed photographs. and if his face betrays a hint of agitation, it probably has more to do with the fact that he doesn't like formalities and protocol than any notion that he doesn't like the president. >> they've disagreed on quite a lot. there was certain lay contentious moment in the campaign. i was there as the president was criticizing the pope when the pope was in mexico talking about

building bridges and not building walls. he called the pope disgraceful. they differ on climate change, on the refugee policy. what is it like to have two men who have such different philosophies about life, really, get together? is there a chance we could see the pope sway the president in some way? what is that like? >> well, i think first they have some things in common. they're both pro-life, certainly when it comes to the abortion question. they are both interested in protecting religious freedom and in the persecution of christians worldwide. you're right. there are major differences between them. and at the same time, however, while this could never be described as a meeting of the minds, it was a meeting of two men who are both disruptors in a sense. the pope has disrupted the way rome works and the president is disthe running the way washington worgss.

for good or ill, they have that in common. >> they both exchanged gifts as well and there is a lot of symbolism there. the president gave the pope writings from martin luther king. the pope gave the president a medallion with an olive symbolizing peace. and he gave him symbols of climate change. do you consider that in your time having lived over there and represented american interests to the vatican, as a, maybe a subtle nudge toward the president? >> i've been in politics five years and i've spent a lot of time at the vatican. if you want a good story, what about linden johnson presenting the pope a bust of himself for his office? so i think the meeting today was quite respectful. and i think they both come out of it looking very good. i agree with father. there's always room to find in a

conversation, a relationship between two great leaders between the pope and the president, some issues of division. if they have a staff that is really smart, they will search for issues of common ground. creative xhonl ground. you have a lot of catholic hospitals in this country. they're doing a great job. they don't have the money. what about some kind of program that provides services for special needs children that getting turned away from hospitals now. what about if they could go to a catholic hospital? that's consistent with the catholic faith, and with the government of the united states. that's why i say creative common

ground issues what they have to come together on. >> this new pope believes very strongly in opening doors for refugees. he beliefs strongly in climate changes. would you have expected him to try to search his point of view, to try to get him to not pull out of the deal? >> the poem has never had trouble making his views known. we don't need a lot of vaticanologists to tell us. the pope tells us himself what he's doing and thinking. he says i'm going to do this and he does it and then he says this is what i've done. i would expect he was quite forthright with president trump about how he feels about these issues. and you rightly identified climate change as one of them. the poem has said repeatedly that this is a major crisis facing the climate and the united states as global leader has a moral obligation to

confront it. and we have the reporting from america's vatican correspondent later today that indicated that in fact the secretary of state for the vatican raised the issue directly. >> interesting. father matt malone, appreciate it. and ambassador flynn. thank you so much for that little bit of trivia. the bust of lbj. love that. appreciate it. we'll be back with one more thing. another image from the president's overseas trip. -when? -friday. we gotta go. [ tires screech ] any airline. any hotel. any time. go where you want, when you want with no blackout dates. [ muffled music coming from club. "blue monday" by new order. cheers. ] [ music and cheers get louder ] the travel rewards credit card from bank of america. it's travel, better connected.

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one more thing. late nights take on part of president's trip that is generating a lot of talk. >> trump moved on to israel with the first lady melania trump. maybe they're not used to spending this much time together. watch her reaction when trump tries to take his hand. she fully lebronned him. >> i wish there was better audio so we can hear her say get that -- out of here. >> here's what happened today in italy. they get off the plane. they're waving zombie like to the crowd. and then, no thank you. he goes for the hand and no. i'll go there. it is italy. there's something good on there and i demand a special investigator to find out why. >> we'll just leave it at that.

i'm katy tur in new york. my colleague ali velshi, take it away. >> we'll talk later. breaking news this hour on that terror attack at the ariana grande concert in the united kingdom. the father and this man you're looking at, the younger brother of the suspected suicide bomber have been arrested. this is the picture of the brother. the washington report is that he was planning an attack in tripoli. this colonels as the "new york times" releases incredible brand new details of the bomb used in the attack. the bomb was reportedly held in either a backpack or a black vest. the suspect attacker was found with a possible detonator in his hand. we now know what was possibly inside the bomb. we're talking about nails, metal nuts and