"mtp daily" starts right now. >> nothing like the breaking news in the 4:00 to 5:00 hour. >> thank god. >> i don't know. we have plenty of news on a daily basis. >> i'll take what you don't want. can i go it back to 4:00. >> if it's wednesday, the new cbo score is out on the new repeal and replace plan and we've got the numbers. it's breaking lunking news. welcome to "mtp daily." russia is dominating politics but health care has been dominating battleground politics outside of washington. these two issues may be holding up everything for the white house and republicans in

congress. and there's very relief on either one. the umpire of sorts for legislation here in washington published its updated analysis of the house health care bill that republicans passed earlier this month. according to their estimates, 23 million would lose coverage over a span of ten years. that's not much different from prior estimates. it was about 24 million in the previous bill. this would cut the deficit by $119 billion. that means the house does not have to revote on this legislation due to reconciliation rules, by the way, and the cbo says some folks with pre-existing conditions in many states could find themselves priced out of market. the rapid response from the rnc blasted the cbo's credibility on health care. they slammed the agency way off with its obamacare predictions, trying to say, hey, don't take their numbers to the bank. hours before the cbo score

became public, mix mcconnell had a strikingly dour assessment. he said i don't know how we get to 50 at the moment but that's the goal. that's basically the law if you're going to do anything. he doesn't play games. if he doesn't know how he'll pass health care in the senate, it's because he doesn't know how he'll pass health care in the senate. he is not about raising or lowering the expectation bar. they're not in a good place right now. it comes as health care anxieties are dominating. from the big skies of montana which hold as special election tomorrow to the suburbs of atlanta which hold as special election next month. >> he says he's thankful for the new health care bill. the one that eliminates protections for pre-existing conditions. >> we know he didn't pay his own

taxes. yet he wants to raise our taxes for a government takeover of health care. >> as a doctor and a breast cancer survivor myself, what karen handel did is unforgivable. >> i'm fighting cancer. when i see ads like that, they make me sick. >> i just had flashbacks to 201014, 2010, 1994. you get the points. we're going on dive into the russia investigation a little later but we begin with that breaking news on the congressional budget office scoring the house health care bill. joining me now, someone i like to talk to for all things budget and understanding the wonkiness of washington. help us speak budget-ese from this. we know the basics here. the previous score was $23 million. the deficit number, essentially

went up, or down, however you mean. >> it will be higher. >> right. higher. so this mcarthur amendment on the essential health benefits got the republicans a million more people covered. they went from 24 million to 23 million uncovered, for a price of $31 billion. >> probably not okay. >> am i reading this correctly? >> you are. but it is not just that the coverage would be, fewer people would be covered. is that some of the coverage would be less valuable. so it is not a complete apples to apples time they know. $31 billion less and others would have coverage even though they would pay more. republicans would say the premium numbers will go down. that's true. but they say if you have a pre-existing conditions, you are likely to get priced out of

market. >> agency someone who is a cancer survivor, there concerns me greatly. and it should concern everybody. almost everybody has a pre-existing condition in one way or another. >> if you were born, you were born with a pre-existing condition. like everybody. at some point a scientist can claim anything is a pre-existing condition via genes. >> and it is not just a question of lying around doing nothing and eating fried foods. my dad gave me, i inherited his gen genes. let's keep in mind the senate has said they're not taking up the house bill. i think this will be difficult for republicans to explain. i think they're extremely grateful that they don't have to take another vote. >> explain why they would revote. i apologize the viewers who say we're speaking too.

to washington. we're saying cbo, scoring. these are not the way merges speak with their checkbooks. what would have come back from a cbo that would have said revote? >> in simple terms, the house and senate are considering health care under special prools would prevent a filibuster from being used. so you need fewer votes, you only need 51 votes in the senate. 50 if mike pence is willing to vote for something. the bill that passed the house didn't qualify under those rules. they were waiting for cbo to say it's okay. >> so now the ball is truly in the republicans' court. >> and they were probably helping. the senate republicans were probably helping. >> there's been a -- there's a reason why health care went first as far as congress is

kerneled. they wanted to get, they wanted to do tax reform tunneled 2018 budget. the deficit over ten years, they wanted more than that to apply to tax reform. what does this mean for tax reform? >> the simple answer is this. i've been tell clients, there doesn't make it any easier. tairp becomes more expensive and more difficult to find savings they need. unless they decide the hell with the deficit. we'll blow it up. we'll spike it. we don't to have pay for things. they started with an agreement. it will be revenue neutral. here they don't have that agreement. they were hoping this would make their lives easier. when cbo scores the budget eventually and we've already seen the skirmishes, and already

there's a back and forth on the assumptions on economic growth, their assumption on 3% growth, did they use good math or funny math? >> funny math is probably giving at this time benefit of the doubt. the budget reserve with wall street says 3% growth is extremely unlikely. tharl estimating less than 2% growth. so where mulvany, where the white house came up with 3% growth. it looks like wishful thinking. >> let's say someone is watching, what is the most neutral economic growth assessment you can find? where are the most reliable indicators for projections? >> the congressional budget office has done a pretty good job projecting the economy. remember anything ten years from now is pure speculation by anybody. but cbo has done a pretty good job. remember, its only purpose this

life is to get the numbers right. the federal reserve and the budget office, you start to regress toward the means here. i would take it almost any day of the week no matter whose administration it is. >> we're looking at economic growth between lower than three but above two. >> it is not clear it is above two. keep in mind, nick mull eventy, if we don't balance the budget, we have a large, large deficit. >> is there a realistic budget that could happen from anybody if you don't touch health care? it seemed that they were claiming a balanced budget and not touching social security. >> they were hoping for rapid growth. it is like during reagan administration efrgs projecting rosy scenarios. >> the man who helps me try to

figure out how to i guess, interim rhett budget speak. and i recommend everybody be sure to find you. at the budget guy. follow this guy on twitter. it will make you smarter. and speaking of rosy scenarios, mark sanford, a member of the house budget committee and he inspired me on that last question. let me start with what you heard from the congressional budget office on health care. the remarked up bill by cbo says, for $31 billion more, you covered 1 million more people. the uncovered estimate went from $24 million to $23 million but the deficit savings went down $31 billion. satisfactory to you? >> well, that isn't what i've heard. i haven't had time. what little i know of, taking

vote on the floor and walking off, one of the other things that was done was it says it will lower premiums. giving states flexibility with regard to different imagine dates would in fact lower premiums and i think that's important to both sides of the equation. we can protect people with pre-existing conditions. but you have the issue, how do you help beam a small business, that have seen it escalate. >> let me read from the report. they address this issue. although premiums would decline on average, in states that chose to narrow the scope of their essential health benefits, some people enrolled in nongroup insurance. the special pool would experience substantial increase in what they would spend on health care. people living in states modifying the essential benefits no longer included what experience substantial increases in out of pocket expense on

health care. this goes to the argument in this country, is this, should government be a part of this or not? but how do you explain that constituent saying, hey, i'll lowering your premiums but it will cost you more to get snark. >> that's the tension. that's the tug-of-war that has been taking place in this entire debate and it has been enjoined. it means now this bill will make its way from house the senate. it will come back to the house and they will vote for or against it. but i think there is a bigger question of allowing states flexibility in what they may or may not do, means the debate will be replicating yet again at the state level and states can decide whether or not they want to afford folks those choices or

not. many will say no, we won't give them a chance at a higher people are yourself. >> are you comfortable with that, that your pre-existing condition depends on, it is geographically based? maybe you get pretty good protection, pretty decent options in state x but state y is going to put you in a risk pool and because maybe because of your job, you're stuck in state y. you would like to move but you won't get it. should that be the way we run our health care system many. >> well, that's the notion of federalism which i happen to believe in. i believe in a quilt work of different approaches. the federal government should decide all. that we ought to have different decisions made by different states and we have a competition in different ideas.

i would say it is important to look at health care, the palmer amendment added $15 million, the base, $115 billion, all of which were designed to protect people. i think while insurance premiums would go up, the high risk bills are there to protect the premium ts. so i think the debate has a long way to go. >> you were pretty critical of your former south carolina colleague nick mulvany that they put out in the budget that claimed the budget in three years. >> you heard stan colander at the tail end there, his explanation of it. how unrealistic do you think this number is? >> completely unrealistic. i didn't exactly hear what he told to say. i thought he was boo-hoo'ing the

idea that we could get to 3% and if so, i completely concur. what you can't do is pick rosy assumptions to make the numrs fit when in fact they don't. fundamental will if you look at this budget, that's what it does. which is a real disservice to everyone of us. republicans and democrats, we may have different priorities but at least let's talk about real numbers and then have the food fight as to what the real numbers might be. if you base the assumptions on numbers that aren't real, we end up with a baked up debate that isn't real and doesn't serve anybody. >> let me ask you, you're a deficit hawk and you want lower taxes. if you thought a tax cut would explode the deficit, what is that line for you? >> i don't know. i'll look at it. there is a line. there is a curve, a point at which you begin to get to

diminishing returns. and we have a government that has to be fed. i want it as small as possible, as streamlined as possible, but once it is there, you can't say we'll get our kids or our grand kids to pay for it. a deficit is deferred tax. if we stack them up, we say we'll get somebody else to pay the zpax i don't think that's fair based on our founding fathers promised us life, liberty and pursuit of happiness, and that's awfully tough. >> does it have to be deficit neutral? i would say, you can't come up with a budget, options --

>> always a pleasure, sir. thanks for rushing to the camera. i appreciate it. all right. we are joined by republican senator james langford. a little quick change of topics. i know we were going to talk about more international stuff and the russia investigation. the cbo score, what you've seen, 23 million people would be left without insurance over a ten-year period. the debt reduction, a little over a billion. >> i'll going through it like everybody else, trying to read it in between meetings. the number of people that wouldn't get coverage doesn't bother me as much. only in that it is a guess from cbo. they base their guess on if people aren't mandated to buy coverage, they won't buy coverage. i don't agree with that premise. i think if you get the prices down, most people want coverage. there are policies they can't

buy now and options that aren't there. i think there are options that they can't have. we do look close at the spending numbers. those are the bigger issues for us. >> i was going to ask you, this deficit number is $119 billion. i think there was a time when many of your colleagues thought, if did you a repeal and replace of health care, that you would get a deficit reduction number closer to $500 billion that would give you more wiggle room on tax reform. is this a disappointing number to you? >> i'm still going to go through that. there's quite a bit that has to be done as you've seen from the report itself. he the premiums will go up the first two years. we're still lucas the national to see what brings the cost down. in many states, the costs would drop pretty dramatically so we'll figure out if we can do it. this is another look by cbo.

and then we'll have actuaries that will step in. this is part of the journey. you do it, you have it scored, you do it, you have it scored and you go on. >> cbo says yeah, but. you and the but on premiums going down, if you are in a state that cuts back on essential health benefits, then your out of pocket costs go up and if you have a pre-existing condition, your premiums my skyrocket even if you're in a risk pool. what is your philosophy on how to deal with that issue? >> i would say that's a big part of our conversation in the senate, trying to take care of those folks with pre-existing conditions. we don't want to do. that cbo is guessing on their premiums would skyrocket because there is no model given from the house proposal. so as they try to guess through the process, they'll try to do

it. we will resolve that for people with pre-existing conditions. as we walk through this, we have 9 million people that are currently, by the end of the year, there are 9 million people on these individual flarkts the obamacare, what are exchanges, in my state it is a monopoly, the 9 million people, 6.5 million paying the fee. that literally don't have insurance are paying the extra tax but they don't have health care. they want health care but they can't afford it. so you're dealing with that reali reality. we have to change that for both. for folks who want health care but can't get it because it is energy. & finally quickly on tax reform. it is a similar question you asked mark sanford. are you comfortable with the deficit going up for a higher tax cut? >> i have to see the way they score. you track these models all the time. i have to say the way it is

scored. if it is dynamic. it is realistic or not? if it is a realistic model to work with, tax activity. there's the movement of money in the country that is very important and the amount of money that they can keep. >> i appreciate you working with us on this breaking news. thanks for having me on. i'm now going to move. the senate democrats are choosing to respond. >> the president should read this report cover to cover. throw their bill in the trash can and begin working with america, with democrats on, a real plan to lower costs for the american people. there's a lot to unpack. first, costs. cbo report makes clear, your premiums are heading up for the next several years if the trump

care passes. 5 first following year. republicans are crowing about premiums going down. you get almost no coverage. cheaper insurance won't help anyone if it doesn't cover you when you're ill. if you're an older american, trump care will force to you pinch your mennies to report it at all. seniors could see their premiums can go up as much as 800% under this bill. pre-existing conditions. the cbo reports states a direct quote. this is from tom price selected. people who are less healthy would be unable to purchase at premiums comparable under current law if they could purchase it at all. so the so-called fix which some

moderates bought into doesn't make pre-existing conditions any easier or any better. think about that for a minute. under trump care, if you have a pre-existing condition condition, your insurance costs could go up so high you can't afford it at all. the score keepers have spoken loudly and clearly. trump care mea higher costs and less care for the american people. for the good of the country, republicans in the senate should reject this path and work with democrats to fix our health care system instead of pulling the plug on it. >> thank you. i've had to say this far too often -- >> you've just heard there from the senate minority leader. they want to brand this trump care. sounds familiar.

michael steele is an had msnbc analyst and former rnc chair. health care is back and back and back. what did we learn today? >> well, i think what we're learning today as we just saw what the democrats there on the senate floor, as well as even the republican senator langford, the debate in the senate will have its own set of criteria. it will get its own cbo score. the challenge sitting there right now, the acha, is getting defined as one where people will pay more for pre-existing conditions. older people will pay more. and those ads are going on right now and the ads that you showed and the individual districts. but they're going on in pro democratic groups, running lots and lots of these ads to ban the bill in general.

this will be bad for republicans as it goes through its legislative purgatory. that doesn't mean just because you have a new bill, it is getting defined right now. the challenge is how do you undefine it? >> and senate republicans throw out this bill and say we're starting from scratch. remember, you break it, you own it. republicans are being labeled. in districts plus 20 republican, running pro obamacare ads. so it is a new day in politics. >> they're still not embracing obamacare. >> they're saying let's not go where the republicans want to go. let's keep what we have. >> that may be true to a certain extent. but this whole idea that we own it at this point is not set in

stone. let's not lock that door yet, sir. the reality for republicans, to amy's point, does present itself in the senate. you've heard from langford, we're going to take a different approach in the house. this will give them the room they need to undo the very thing that you're talking about with respect to the house bill. and the onerous aspects of it. to sochbl the blow on those with pre-existing conditions. to soften the blow in a number of areas. by expanding the marketplace a little bit, if you will. that embraces a little more obamacare than the house does. >> it goes back to the houseful will the house republicans who voted for this bill vote for anything that comes out of senate? i agree. that's what the senate would like to do. >> they won't vote for it. >> do you know why? they have to go back to their districts and run. you come in with your ads.

>> it's interesting to me. essentially, the voters are going to say, we don't like obamacare because it costs too much. it costs me too much. now they'll say we don't like trump care because it didn't cover enough. that's the fundamental problem here. the fickle voters here, they want great coverage for a low price. and both parties trying to somehow overpromise on this. >> of course they overpromise. of course. >> it's obvious but this is what is biting them both. they've been dishonest about the idea that somehow you can lower prices and you can increase coverage. >> two issues. very few people that will go through exchanges or be getting health care through this. >> 5% of the population. >> most people who are forming opinions about this health care are not getting covered by this. they are getting will coverage

through their employers. the second piece goes to, this is challenge when the two parties decide they're only going to pass major, major legislation with one party. you're never going to make everybody happy. when you shove it through, you have to overpromise and then it becomes tribal. >> john kasich was on one of the programs. he said you can never do major legislation if you want it to stick with a straight party line vote. it will 97 be semied by the other side. republicans ran against obamacare for are seven years very successfully. they are going to repeal it maybe, replace it with something that people aren't going to like very much. when essential health benefits go away, and the trump voters who put him in the presidency begin to figure out what this means for them, i don't think it will be a very good day for donald trump, his white house, the republicans in the senate or

even in the house. people are going to figure this out. >> i think you're banking too much on health care. by the time we get into the fall and next year, one of two things will happen. a house or senate will sign, the chip there's fall where they may, or it will be status quo. >> whoa, whoa. >> the house republicans -- >> you're stuck either way. you're going to get gored by your own ox, your own hand, or by somebody else. >> wait. the 2009 version of you, okay. he. >> he democrats said essentially the same thing. it is too early to assume health care will be like the be all end all. just wait until the bill passes. we're either going to be in the space, we own it, we have the

whole lock, stock and barrel, or the senate punts completely. >> if a guy named rob quist gets sworn in, will health care die? >> i don't know if it will be as consequential where immigration died. that should really scare a lot of republicans. the difference is that they've already voted for it. and they've been promising for eight years that they would pass it. it is either really unpop hard where republicans should win, or they don't pass anything and they look incompetent in all three branches. >> absolutely. >> mitch mcconnell was saying as recently as today that he doesn't see a path. i don't think that path got any smoother or easier today.

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welcome back. president trump is in brussels for a summit with nato allies. the white house plans to to meet with fellow nato leaders and the attack monday night in manchester, england, will be a major topic of discussion as nato figures out its role. the father and younger brother of the suspected suicide bomber who were arrest in the libya. isis initially claimed responsibility for the attack but officials say they have proven links between the suspects and al qaeda. salman abedi, a 22-year-old national of libyan ascent was known to u.s. officials. officials are concerned of a follow-up attack saying it is very possible. speaking earlier today, president trump was defiant, calling on allies to continue the fight against terrorist

groups. >> we are fighting very hard, doing very well under our gentles. when you see something like what happened two days ago, you realize how important it is to win this fight. and we will win this fight. >> so what kind of reception will the president get? the reporter with the wall street, welcome. let me get right to the question. we have a bit of a satellite delay. how has manchester in that attack changed the conversation already with this nato meeting? >> well, it is definitely putting the focus terrorism. that was one of the two focuses they had. they were going to talk about counter terrorism but the attack in manchester makes it much more immediate. like there is something to talk about. it pounlts out problems. this for a lot of european

countries is a police matter, not a military matter. mr. trump may hear a little bit about that. >> there is a bit of a split among nato nations. which countries do see it as a national, sort of a global issue? and which of them do see it as police issue? >> well, look. there's brought agreement what nato is doing on counter terrorism. that's training local forces, working with partner nations that are fighting terrorism directly. what nato is doing in afghanistan essentially. a training mission. now, whether there's room for the alliance to do more, that's where the debate is. now right now the united states hasn't asked for a combat role. countries like germany are dead

set sense nato taking on air strikes against the islamic state or reengaging in come bat operations in afghanistan. other countries like france see terrorism in europe as a police matter. but there are countries like turkey and the united states who say, look, we've got to have better intelligence sharing, better cooperation. because the threats hitting turkey and the united states are emanating from the united states. and there's more even if nato is not doing strikes against al qaeda or the islamic state. >> i want to talk with atmospherics. just getting this on the president's first overseas schedule was a big deal to nato members and a bit with the white house. who is trying to reassure whom more? nato allies with the president or the president with nato allies? on any given day, i'm confused.

>> that's a good question. who is saying we're with you more? you know, nato allies want to hear donald trump say he believes in nato. he stands behind article 5 which says an attack on one is an attack on all. and donald trump wants to have nato say, hey, we've heard your call. we're increasing defense spending. and both sides are going to get that tomorrow most likely. president trump will say what allies want to hear. and allies are going to endorse trump's call for more spending. maybe not just in the way the white house would hope but they're approving measures that should overtime boost european spending. >> a final question on russia. there's a role that nato is playing to try to push back against russia incursions into

eastern europe. how much is that going to come up tomorrow and where is the president on this? >> that will be very important to a lot of allies. eston estonia, latvia, poland. they'll all focus on what nato is doing and those countries really support what the u.s. is doing in terms of contributing to the nato force there to deter russia. but look. the administration has something to say there, too. just today they announced, or last night. 4.8 billion in european defense spending to boost those forces which are trying to deter russia. so if russia wants to, he can highlight that. of course, we don't know what he will say when he is sitting around the dinner table. >> that's the joy can of covering this president sometimes. you just never know what he

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little bit of nay toe, little bit of terrorism, a little bit of russia. we ended up talking about health care. my question to you, michael steel, in this environment would you rather be talking about health care or the investigation into russia? >> russia all day long. >> politically, why is that? >> politically because it speaks to a sweet spot with your base and the aspect of health care is still too unsettled within the party as a whole. you have factions within the gop itself. it cannot pull out a solid front. while they work that out, let's talk about the thing we should be concerned about, what russia is doing, how they're doing it, all of that, absolutely. and also, you have this thing -- >> undermine the president? >> i feel like -- i feel -- >> throwing him under the bus? >> i don't think you're throwing him under the bus. >> easier to get past russia than health care? >> yeah. >> ultimately what republicans are doing in both instances is

defending the indefensible. we want to get to the bottom of russia but not if it hurts this president. they're protecting it at all costs at their own political peril. >> you know where i'm going here. the beltway is consumed with russia. is america consumed with health care? >> if i were -- i'll put it on the other hand. if i were democrats, where would i be spending my ad dollars right now, on russia or health care? i would be spend ing it on health care, which they are. granted all these special election s are in republican-held districts. even in a swing district or even in, you know, a less difficult environment for democrats, i still would be running about health care. policy we're going to talk about, i'm sure the budget. just the overall running and functioning of the government. the russia stuff i think it flaz for the base. michael is right. it can gin up on both sides. if you're running to get those,

disaffected sort of the middle of the road, not paying attention every day voters, i would go with health care. >> i think what republicans are discovering if they haven't they will soon, the word obamacare is unpopular with a lot of voters. but every single feature that's in obamacare that you try to unravel is very popular with the voters and it's the individual elements of this that people are objecting to. the republicans taking away. if they can't figure that out -- >> which is why you don't talk about it. >> owe connell would sit there and say tax reform. he would say -- he would say don't give me that choice. we're going to talk about what we do. we're going to talk about tax reform. can they successfully, a, pivot to that and pass something meaningful enough that americans would forgive them? >> on tax reform? >> yeah. >> i think they can. the difference for me between tax reform and health care is that you can compartment allies tax reform. i can do tax cut, repatriation of funds. i can do a whole lot of individual pieces. i don't have to do one big bill like you have to do with health care.

it's easy to do it in bite size chunks that appeal to the business community, whether it's business, middle class, whatever, and redirect the conversation into a space that is really up the president's alley, which is where the president wants to be anyway. let's help him get there. >> that's remarkable to me. i thought when this administration began, i thought we would see every day, at least every week, something like the carrier decision. >> that's what i thought. >> talking every minute about, i don't care if it's 25 jobs, that he would be out every day talking about that. >> he was going to be the mayor, look at this job. >> this is what republicans want to make the case, they are making the case this is choice and skoft. that's where they want to go to on health care. if they succeed, it will be that a year from now people's costs are lower. we don't know how they're going to get there, but that's how they win on that fight. everywhere voters are going to be paying the most attention is

their pocketbook and how they feel about the economy. and the president getting caught up in the more as and cbo score and all that doesn't get to what he was doing if he beginning. >> all right. i think the debate has been settled. they want talk about potitza. amy, steve, michael. thank you. after the break, an historic day in the hawkeye state. liberty mutual stood with us

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finally tonight, in case you missed it, and i'm guessing many of you did, it's the end of an era in iowa.

the end of a very long era. the hawkeye state is trading one history making governor for another. terry branstad, the longest serving governor in american history has officially resigned. and former lieutenant governor kim reynolds is now the governor. she's the first woman to hold the office in hawkeye state history which she called humbling and exciting. the governor's staff tracked his days of service, today was day 8,169. if you want to do that by our calculations, he has been governor of iowa off and on for 22 years four months two weeks and three days. now branstad's title is ambassador. he got sworn in today as the u.s. ambassador to china. governor reynolds will hold the office through 2018 when she is expected to attempt to run for a full term. nothing is guaranteed. she will face a primary fies and tough challenge in a general. she may get primary challenge from the mayor of cedar rapids. one thing it seems the new governor can count on, her

predecessor pledged 100% of his support for her. and friends are good to have even in politics. even if they're on the other side of the world. but as for that branstad, mark, who is going to pass 22 years as a sitting governor in this country ever again? that's all for tonight. we'll be back tomorrow with more p dail for the record with greta, though, starts right now. grets a, lots of news to chew on today. >> i know. sounds like he's a cal rip kin of goerchz. >> -- governors. he set a mark. thank you, chuck. we have breaking news, the russians may have fed a fake document to the fbi last summer and that this document might have duped former fbi director comey and influenced his decision to hold that press conference last july about the clinton e-mail without first notifying former attorney general loretta lynch. that decision to hold that press conference set off