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red wine, i smoke cigarettes, i golf, i cut my own grass, i iron my own clothes and i'll not willing to give all that up to be prest. askefor whether or not he misses capitol hill, i wokep every day, drink my morning coffee and say hallelujah, hallelujah. i am going to take the next three days and live a little of john boehner's life. it sounds fantastic if you ask me. >> don't smoke. >> well no, i won't smoke. >> other than that, have yourself -- >> the candy cigarettes, the gum ones. >> you deserve a little rest. get it and i will see you next week. we begin with two former politicians from opposite sides of the office going on the offensive against president trump today. hillary clinton calling his budget a lie while the former house speaker last night referring to the trump presidency as a complete
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disaster. let's start withological hillary. she went to wellesley college, her alma mater. one of the main topics she addressed were the major deficiencies in the proposed gop budget. >> it is an attack of unimaginable cruelty on the most vulnerable among us, the youngest, the oldest, and hard working people. and to top it off, it is shrouded in a trillion-dollar mathematical lie. let's call it what it is. it is a con. it matters because if our leaders lie about the problems we face, we'll never solve them. we were furious about the past
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presidential election. of a man whose presidency would eventually end in disgrace with his impeachment for obstruction of justice. after firing the person running the investigation into him at the department of justice. as the history majors among you here today know all too well, when people in power invent their own facts and attack those who question them, it can mark the beginning of the end of a free society. you are graduating at a time when there is a full fledged assault on truth and reason. people denying science,
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concocting elaborate conspiracy theories about child abuse rings operating out of pizza parlors. some are even denying things we see with our own eyes. like the size of crowds. you may have heard that things didn't exactly go the way i planned. you know what? i'm doing okay. one of the things that gave me the most hope and joy after the election when i really needed it was meeting so many young people who told me that my defeat had not defeated them. >> with us to discuss it, gop strategist rick wilson, and foreign editor allen murray. thank you for being with us. pete, let me start with you. there was a lot in that speech. hillary clinton had been building up an arsenal, waiting for the moment in which to
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unleash it. a sensible moment for her. it is her alma mater, a place she came to the public eye so many years ago. >> that's exactly right. she's had 200 days since the election to think about this speech. it was pretty strikingly anti-trump. it was aggressive even though she never used the president's name. you played the highlights. the things that struck me, not just referring to the budget as a con but calling the president and his administration here liars, saying what they've been could not is in effect a lie. she talked about the full-fledged assault on the truth and those comparisons between president trump's administration and the disgraceful ending of the nixon administration. all of those things catching a lot of people, catching their attention today. some eyebrow raising moments. i think it is what we now live is a 24-hour news cycle but a nonstop election campaign cycle as well.
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her political career certainly appears over. what was striking is how with what has been taking place in montana, we still live in an environment where there is a constant back and forth. no rest for the weary. >> no kidding. not too much of a surprise that hillary clinton talks about donald trump. i was a little more surprised john boehner saying what he said about donald trump. donald trump is getting it from both sides. what do you make of the criticisms? >> well, john boehner has been liberated from the burden a lot of republicans suffer from, to defend the indefensible. so he is going to let it rip. >> no kidding. what does donald trump do about this? if you're donald trump and you're the gop, do you ignore it? do you say boehner and hillary clinton are out of the public eye? they're on permanent vacation and it doesn't matter what they say? >> i guarantee you, donald trump will be obsessing about anyone who says anything negative about him. he'll be devising elaborate
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torture plans in his brain and elaborate cool tweets. he is doldtrump. a child if he is insulted on the play ground, he just obsesses. >> we've been talking about the budget and health care bill this week. you know where my mind goes. this is, you can take bernie sanders' view and say it is an attack on the poor or hillary clinton's view that it is an attack on the poor. from an economic business perspective, one of the criticism that's john bain her about this budget is that the math is wrong, the math is off. that it is disingenuous. >> let's pull that apart. when hillary clinton says they took this benefit away, that benefit away, one of the problems the federal government has is once you give a benefit to somebody, it is very hard to take it back and people never think about the poor person who
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has to pay in tax dollars to provide the benefit. so i'm not going to head in that direction. but there is this basic math problem. even if you believe that tax cuts can get economic growth to 3%. and i would say most economists think that's a stretch. even if you believe that we can get to 3% annual growth with tax cuts. they counted that twice. they used it once to round the budget and again to round it on the tax cuts. it is a stretch to use it once. you can't use it twice. >> you have this issue. you have the health care bill that came out with a cbo scorch you can trust or not trust but is hard to sell to people. to his point, whether you like health care that goes toward universal health care or not,
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more people had it. then you have this budget hard to square the math on. what are main stream republicans supposed to do? >> the republicans seemed to have picked the most unpalatable parts of obamacare and ramped it up by a thousand. no one wants this bill to pass including the senate. the american people look at it with great skepticism and they see a budget that comes out with the double counting math tricks and a variety of overly broad assumptions and super dynamic scoring that doesn't even fit in with conservative orthodoxy. it is a unicorn in every driveway kind of thing. you end one a sense on the hill that the trump budget is dead on arrival. particularly that the health care bill is dead on arrival. the tax plan that would
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accompany both those things and they're contingent upon one another. so really republicans don't have a lot of take-homes because they've hitched their wagon to donald trump. it is because we've gotten ourselves into this highly partisan right. if you're going to do big chains like health care, they have to be down a bipartisan basis other. wise we'll go back and forth and refight fight until we all die from pre-existing conditions. >> in fairness, the democrats didn't do that with obamacare. they didn't do that. i'll going to get a million angry tweets in about a minute. >> it was totally partisan. >> i'm agreeing with you. the democrats were entirely partisan about obamacare. you can like obamacare. you can think it was the right thing to do. the point is we have been this way for the last eight years.
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>> the bottom line is the pendulum has swung. they were trying to make sure that the number was sufficient that they wouldn't to have include democrats in what is described as reconciliation process. basically one of the rules that exist here in washington that governs the way you go about it. they wanted to do it by themselves. that's why there is a 13 member group. exclusively republicans, notably exclusively republican men right now. the bottom line is the same way the democrats tried to hammer them to republicans in chronic trying to do the same. >> so what will happen is in the next election, you'll have a whole new class of democrats who voted to resale and replace and resale and replace and the losers will be the american people. >> like investigatia developing. >> good to talk to you. thank you. great to see all of you. up next, president trump's son-in-law and senior adviser jared kushner has come under fbi scrutiny in the russia
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nbc news kushner has come under fbi scrutiny. another big name dragged into the investigation. he joins a long list of trump staffers with confirmed or reported connections to russia. people who donald trump has applauded in the past. >> jared is a very successful real estated person but i think he likes politics more than real estate. and he is very good at politics. >> general flynn is a part of this investigation. >> this man has served for many years. he is a general. in my opinion, a very good person. jeff sessions has been a federal prosecutor. the highest level and at the most respected level. a man of integrity, a man of principle and a man of total utter resolve. >> we have great people. and paul said some really positive, great success with reagan and with bush and with ford. great success. he doesn't have to do this. he didn't need to do this but he
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wanted to. >> i want to acknowledge the great work being done by our secretary of state, rex tillerson, to strengthen the nato alliance as well as the secretary's trip to moscow to promote the security interests of the united states and its allies. he did a terrific job. just watched parts of it. did a terrific job. >> okay. here to help me break this down, my colleague pete williams. the correspondent for politico and charlie savage is the washington correspondent for the "new york times." thank you for being here. let's start by explaining the latest jared kushner news. he is under fbi scrutiny. that's different from being thought of as person of interest. >> well, i don't know what person of interest means. i know this was somethinghat other people have thrown around but it doesn't have a legal meaning. i think the easiest way to think
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of this, the fbi wants to know who in the trump inner circle or campaign had any contact with the russians. it wants to know whether they had any connections to the russians. the best way to understand it is that at this point jared kushner is what you might call a fact witness. they want to talk with him. they know he had some meetings, especially after the election. they want to talk to him about those. and we don't believe the fbi has done so yet because his lawyer in response to questions about these developments said that he, kushner has always said that he is willing to share any information the congress wants, and if asked, would do the same with the fbi which suggests that he hasn't been asked. but we know the fbi wants to talk to him. the significance, as you pointed out is in, you mentioned other people that the fbi wants to
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talk to. that congress has already spe l subpoenaed, people already connected with the investigation. manafort worked in the campaign. flynn was in the campaign for a short time. jared kushner by contrast is still in the white house and of course he is the president's son-in-law. so that's the way to think of this. >> when rumors first came out, people said, we knew it. there is a high level staffer in the white house. part of russia investigation. let's just step back. give us a little context. what does it mean that jared kushner, to use pete's words, is something like a fact witness? >> well, we have this tease order this from the "washington post" last week where we had this report saying there was some high level official in the white house under scrutiny. a lot of the terms are very amorphous. but what makes kushner so different from a lot of those people that pete mentioned at
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the top of the segment, kushner is the only person still in the white house. not the just in the white house but very close to that inner circle. he is in a position to not only know what happened during the campaign but during transition. to know what happened after michael flynn was fired. he is one of the best avenues for figuring out what's happening real-time. >> before i started this, we saw donald trump talking about some of the people a few seconds ago. i want to look at the people this trump's circle who have either reported or confirmed connections to russia. let us start with jared kushner. i can only do that if this thing lets me do it. let's start with jared kushner. he is the senior white house adviser. he met with the russian
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ambassador sergey kislyak and sergey good morningov. did he disgoals when asked during his confirmation hearings? he recused himself from the rush investigation under a lot of people. michael flynn, as pete points out. the former national security adviser. he dined with vladimir putin in december 2015. he also spoke with sergey kislyak. you'll see that name a lot. paul manafort has had a long history with that. carter page was a trump campaign aide, although no one seems to gave straight answer on it. also something he didn't admit until much later.
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he has a long history of investing. and donald trump jr., the president's oldest son, he helps manage the trump organization. he said in 2008 the russians make up a pretty disproportionate assets. and we have the secretary of state rex tillerson. he worked closely with russian oil companies with exxonmobil. they had a deal start drilling in the north. that was cancelled because of sanctions and he did testify that he thought the sanctions were unnecessary. he was awarded the order of friendship from vladimir putin in 2013. wilbur ross commerce secretary. he hds a stake in the bank of cypress which has very specific ties to russian investors. seeing it all listed like this,
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what does it make you think? >> it makes me think it is a lot of circumstantial ties to another country that is very big and very powerful, and has not always been a great friend to the united states, and maybe it means something and maybe it means nothing. we're still at this point of confusion as far as we know, so is the investigation. there is a lot of, as john brennan said in his testimony this week, the former cia director. he had a lot of questions is that when he left office, those questions were not answered yet. and i think what they were saying about this revolution, this revelation, that the investigation looking at jared kushner, that's not a surprise and people should not be reading too much into that. he was in the campaign and still in the white house and had some contacts with foreign officials, including russians.
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it will not be at all, i would be surprised if it doesn't happen. the investigation will want to talk on president trump. because he was in that campaign and now in the white house and he may know something or may not know something. when they interview him, maybe it will be treated as extraordinary news. but it should not be treated as a surprise. it is under scrutiny now. >> given had a charlie said, look into your crystal ball for a second. we know there's a special counsel on it. we know there are four different investigations going on. some people would like this to happen on an accelerated time line. at this point, that might not haen >> it might not happen and it is arguably not how something like this is supposed to happen. it is very easy to look at a lot of these as smoke signals. people can see things you want to see. these complicated wide reaching
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investigations, we're talking about a long span of time and a huge country with a lot of different moving parts. its hard to read directly into and it frankly it should not be read directly into. they'll talk to a lot of beam a lot of things and none of it necessarily means anything. >> this is your wheel house. the fact this is slowly moving out of the political realm into the judicial realm suggests that time lines may slow down. >> if the president thought he would make the russian thing go away by firing james comey, he will find he will get exactly the opposite effect. now we have a will special counsel who has come into this, robert mueller. he has to firgt ogure out what s job? this is first time since john
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d danforth looked into the waco disaster. and he couldn't use the fbi because he was investigating the fbi's role in waco. he eventually hired 74 people in his staff. is bob mueller going to do the same thing? rely on the fbi? will his role be to do whatever rob rosenstein would have done if he had stayed? or will it be a parallel investigation? i suspect robert mueller doesn't even know the answer to that. so having the special counsel will stretch it all out. >> thanks for your analysis on this. coming up, we'll bring you reaction after republican greg are gianforte's victory last night. the victory came hours after body slammed a reporter.
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out last night, which was in some ways, far worse. >> i should not have responded in the way that i did. and for that i'm sorry. >> and you're forgiven. >> some republicans are defending him saying the body slam wasn't a big deal which they might regret in three years. >> last night's special election in montana getting a ton of attention after the body slam heard around the world. he will now represent montana in congress. we're talking about greg gianforte. good to see both of you. i have to tell you, you went out there to do something entirely different. you were covering a special electi election. talk to me 24 hours later about what has happened? how has this all gone down?
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>> my pro wrestling fan document is serving me well. there is a small group of voters who could be swayed. in montana, by the time this happened the night before election day, 70% of voters had already cast their ballot or put their ballot in the mail. that left only 30% of people up their minds. totally under scientific but being at a pole place, nobody in this state was making up their minds late. there has been so much advertising here, millions of dollars over the last 85 days. and two candidates that could not be farther apart on the ideological spectrum. even with voters who said this disturbed them, wasn't enough. >> i wonder if it is the opposite. small universe of people who could have had an impact, upon
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whom this could have been an impact. in montana, you can't change your vote once it's cast. i wonder if people got put into their corners by this. they didn't change their votes. they said you're evil or the other guy is evil. >> yeah. and if you look at this, you have people on the left calling this absolutely outrageous. this candidate had gone far beyond the pale. there was a lot of discussion about the media turning this into a firestorm that shouldn't. this was a liberal journalist who had some bias, who was aggressive. even though eyewitnesses, including a fox news crew said that wasn't the case. but i think this really speaks to just how polarized our political environment is today. you had voters saying, this doesn't matter to me. he was in his face. when you're in montana, this is the type of reaction you might get. and we saw him with the victory speech. his philosophy here was body
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slam first and apologize later. and we'll see in a few months if we're still talking about this. >> interesting that that is the response that a lot of people will have. that the media is the problem here. what have you seen of that? we've been talking on reporters. we try not to make ourselves the story. for 24 hours, journalists are half the story on this one. what have you heard abouthat? >> from just tweeting the conversation that i had at a polling place. i asked her who did you vote for? she said gianforte. i asked if she would talk about it and she said no. she said some of you reporters have it coming. it is a prevailing attitude among some people and there were quite a lot of people in my mention who's agree with her. so there is an attitude that for people who are frustrated by coverage some of these issues, that it might be to know push
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back quite literally in this way. >> my old friend now at fox news, howie, he got major back lash for reporting a fox news poll president trump's approval ratings. 40% according to fox's poll. he came to the conclusion that we no longer agree on a common set of facts. all did he was tweet out the results of a poll. no analysis no, commentary taxed. and readers were accusing him of fake polling. fake news. we don't even agree. >> aid conversation with mark sanford -- >> former governor of south carolina. >> he said that he feels that demons have been unleashed. he described going to a town hall at a retirement community in his district. he said these are people usually playing shuffle board all day. one man started talking about trump. a woman across the hall started yelling back at him. they started going at it. he said the first time in his career, he had to step in and
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interject. can we please calm down here? >> he said when the guy on top says whatever he wants to, it is hard for sanford to tell his constituents not to. >> there's an idea when someone like the president can go out there and make these vicious insults, personalized attacks, constituents might say, why can't i do that too? there's a sense of feel more licensed to be very aggressive in what they're saying. >> in your article, you referred to, someone asked her, is she from cnn and they said -- what? >> you might get popped. be careful. that was the message which was consistent with what garrett was hearing on his twitter applies. peoplend this abuse thrown at them in a much more, in the last 18 months. and we saw there was a public
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radio reporter who tried to and the department of health and human services reporter and he was arrested. they apologized after that but that's the point. you can be rough on a reporter and then apologize. >> and in the halls of congress, rt someone was pinned against the wall by security quards who said that he was accosting this public servant. so there is a contagion that people feel more at ease to go after reporters. sometimes physically to stop them from doing their jobs. >> interesting that it is in america. we've seen it around the world. where a press on your badge on your hat doesn't keep you safe. >> coming up next, a plane was. [ male announcer ] tora bora fallujah
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aircraft intercepted the p-3 o'ryan. as it was flying south of hong kong in the south china sea. so one of the chinese j-10 aircraft, it sort of settled in in front of the u.s. navy aircraft and it made some erratic turns that caused the u.s. navy aircraft to swerve off its course. the other one came in at a slow rate of speed but within a close distance within about 100 feet of the u.s. navy craft, according to one u.s. navy official i spoke with. which is deemed by the u.s. navy as not just unprofessional but an unsafe movement in the air. >> any official reactions from either side? >> not yet. we got a statement from the pentagon but it was very brief as most of these. are as you know, intercepts of one aircraft between one nation and another is not unusual. we hear about one or two just about every week. we heard about the u.s. military intercepted several russian aircraft last month near alaska.
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there were several cases with russian aircraft last month as well. so it is not terribly uncommon. >> this one was just a little close. >> exactly. what stands out is when the military deems it as unsafe and unprofessional as they did here. it is somewhat of a subjective call based on how the commander sees it. but in this case, that one j-10, it got dangerously close to the u.s. navy aircraft. >> i fly tiny little slow plane and getting within 100 feet is dangerous. good to see you. coming up next, new details on another arrest in manchester. our correspondent on the ground just spoke to a senior official. a way for design to play a... ...positive role in what was going on in the world. there's a jacket that's reflective for visibility... ...a sleeping bag jacket, jackets that turn into tents. i usually do my fashion sketches on the computer. i love drawing on the screen. there's no lag time at all. it feels just like my markers.
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what have we got? >> good afternoon. the investigation in manchester is still underway. authorities saying ty've made immense progress. that a large part of terror network has been arrested. i had the opportunity to speak to the chief of police in manchester a few moments ago, ian hopkins and i asked him how the investigation is progressing. take a listen. >> the critical threat level going down this weekend. >> that's an issue for the government through cobra mechanism. but at the moment it remains at critical which is why we have the level of armed offices on the streets here in manchester. just reassuring people that this weekend can go ahead. that's the special thing for manchester. that people have come out. we're continuing with life as normal. the terrorists will not defeat us. and this has shown that.
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thank you very much. >> reporter: and the threat level remains critical. that means an attack could be imminent. we are now seeing armed officers patrolling beaches and trains. so even though there is progress, there is a lot of work to be done. >> i see over your right shoulder. it says ariana, we love you. so ariana grande is going to return to manchester to do a benefit concert. i ask you because i'll bet there are a lot of parents tell their kids, you're not going do that concert. >> reporter: that's right. she is returning to raise money for the victims and their families. and at this memorial, one of many, a somber mood but always mood of defiance. this is very much a city that won't cave in the face of terrorism. and ariana grande returning to the city to perform at the concert, that's what kicked off this attack. that will be very welcome news. we're already seeing a welcome response from the people here.
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isot coming along allhat well. politico reports that frustrations are rising. "we talk about it every god expletive day said one gop senator who did not want to be quoted criticizing his own part party." but we haven't done anything about it. for more i want to bring in politico's jennifer who just wrote the article we just referenced. >> supposed there deliver on some sort of bill and they're kind of stuck. >> actually, i think i have heard that once or twice in the course of the last two years since prehistoric times since i've been covering the house, ali. the house bill was a dead letter in the senate, house health care bill, obamacare repeal and replace bill. now it's buried a little deeper after the revised cbo score, remember, the house went ahead
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without it. 23 million people, more people in 10 years will be uninsured. costs for coverage for maternity care, for mental health care, substance abuse care, all going up. if you're a sicker or older american, if you're over 50, your premiums are going to skyrocket. none of those things are going to fly in the senate obviously. when you're talking about the fact republicans are going to try to do this without 48 of 100 senators, in other words, every democrat in the senator in the chamber has been locked out of the negotiations which take place in a room behind me virtually every day over the course of this last week, it makes the path very narrow and the math sort of unforgiving so the progress is very hard to come by at this point. remember, senate and house are out all next week. a lot of this is going to be determined by the reaction back home, frankly, from constituents as senators and congressmen go back and meet the folks on memorial day and over the course of the week.
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>> jennifer, your articli quoted frowith the unnamed senator using a word my executive producer wouldn't allow me to say on tv. do other senators share that frustration, out there they're talking to the media, talking about getting this kind of bill through but some whou ithow it' happening? >> absolutely. we talked to a lot of the senators for the story and a lot said the exact same thing, not as colorfully as this quote. it's a working group that meets twice a week, three times a week republicans meet for lunch and always talk about health care. they're saying it's getting to the point they're just repeating the same talking points to each other over and over and people are making the same arguments to each other but they're not making any progress. there's a lot of thorny policy issues here they need to work through at some point if they want to put pen to paper. they know where everybody stands right now. mitch mcconnell is going to have to start writing a bill this week, excuse me, next week
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during the memorial day recess and lawmakers are hoping after that break, they're going to come back, have some decisions that they can start to make so they can actually move forward and make some progress. >> right. mitch mcconnell told reuters "i don't know how we get to 50" votes, "50, at the moment, that's the goal and exactly what the composition of the bill is, i'm not going to speculate because it serves no purpose." they're going away for a week, there are apparently, jennifer, staffers working over the holiday and working next week to try and put the pieces together for something that might look like at least a basis of a negotiation? >> that's right. you know, at some point these decisions have to be made. there has to be actual legislation in front of people so mcconnell and other leaders can say are you a yes or are you a no? there's some conventional wisdom circulating in the senate right now that, you know, they can get pretty far, in this working group comes out with a bill and they all support it, they can get up to, like, 45, 46, 47 votes. it's going to be very hard, though, to get those last votes.
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there's penal ople on the conservative end and moderate end. it's unclear if they're going to fall in line. how hard does mitch mcconnell start twisting arms? does he put a lot on the line to get the votes or put it up and let it fail and move on and say we did obamacare repeal, didn't work, let's ooumove on to tax reform. >> mitch mcconnell saying the reason that 23 million more americans won't have coverage is because when you start forcing people to buy something they don't want to buy, you now get them to embrace the freedom, to not have to buy health insurance. that is some unusual logic, if i've ever seen it, but they are selling this as liberty. >> ali, here's what we're going to have to start looking for in thefecti next few weeks if this effort does fall flat. somebody has to step up and take ownership. we we've heard the argument many times that obamare is falling flat, unavailable in iowa and a number of states. in wisconsin, insurers are
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pulling out. if that's the fact, then republicans are going to have to move to try to stabilize it at some point. will they come up with some sort of short-term patch, if you will, to try to stabilize obamacare, make sure millions of people aren't losing insurance, and the absence of legislation as congress kinds of spins its wheels and that, i think, is the pressure point, i think that's the very interesting dynamic to watch here. lamar alexander, a top republican chairman of the key committee e on the senate side, is already talking about something along those lines, ali. >> and mike, the other thing is, while we were running the cbo score and numbers and talking about the number of people who are going to lose insurance, that's still in the individual market. actually a much smaller part of the health insurance market than those of us who get our insurance through work. but medicaid, the medicaid cuts, this is going to be puff ftough lot of moderate republicans. >> it has been. we talked about substance abuse, for example, how premiums would go up if the essential health
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benefits are taken away oar the waivers are enact in some states. look at a law key republican senators. we talked about rob portman of ohio, medicaid is a big deal for him for just that issue, the opioid epidemic ravaging parts of ohio. he's not interested in cutting those programs that have involved many medicaid. a lot of bank shots. the politics on this are very tricky if not impossible at this point, ali. >> yeah. right. jennifer, you think we might have some sense of it by the end of next week as to whether there's a bill that's moving forward or as you said mitch mcconnell is going to try to put this thing up and some point and say not our problem? >> i think it's going to drag on longer than that. the senate would have to put something out. there would be feedback. i think next week would be a key marker in there are more town halls. there are not a lot of republican senators who are holding town halls. i'm sure that's no coincidence this bill is getting hot just as there's a congressional recess but there are going to be
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cupping acup i couple and if they see fire at the town halls, it's going to make it less likely repeal actually happens. >> thanks to both of you. have a get weekend. mike viqueira. jennifer. that wraps this hour for me. tune into "velsih and ruhle," stephanie and i bring you a unique take of the news cycle, lively debate and analysis. "deadline white house" with nicolle wallace starts right now. hi, everyone, it's 4:00. president trump ses te's team i engaged in a -- with news that the president's son-in-law jared kushner is under fbi scrutiny bringing the russia investigation deep into the president's west wing and his family. donald tru will return to a gathering storm of legal and political problems when he returns home lattomorrow night. the president is currently dining with g-7 leaders in ly
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