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the west. this is what's happening. we're following the latest developments on the russia investigations, these big new headlines involving president trump's son-in-law and senior adviser jared kushner. here they are. "the washington post" saying the russian ambassador told moscow kushner wanted secret communications with the kremlin. reuters, trump's son-in-law had undisclosed contacts with russian envoy. "the washington post" back again with another huge headline, senate intelligence committee requests trump campaign documents. what the committee wants are russia-related documents including e-mails and phone records dating back to the start of the pain almost two years ago in 2015. the white house isn't responding to our calls for comment on this. however, jared kushner's personal attorney gave us a statement on the reuters report, specifically regarding undisclosed contacts with russia saying, in part part, plchlt kushner participated in thousands of calls in this time period. he has no recollection of the

calls as described. no mention of these revelations by the president himself, focusing his comments this morning on his overseas trip in one tweet only saying, many nato countries have agreed to stem up payments considerably and they should. nato will be much stronger. his message for his european counterparts, i will make my final decision on the paris accord next week. that's about the commitment to the geopolitical document on climate change. the president also focusing on what lies ahead when he returns to washington on his agenda pushing his nulewly unveiled address. >> we need a government that spends on the right things, safety, security and well-being of our people and stops the waste and abuse of taxpayer funds, whether in america or in global projects overseas. we will balance the budget without making cuts in social security and medicare. we will achieve our goals by doing exactly what you do in your home, setting priorities,

cutting the fat and growing new opportunities. >> so coming up in just a few hours, the president gets ready to head back to washington, d.c. after his nine-day overseas trip. but he's going to be facing scathing headlines and harsh critics because of these alleged connections of trusted adviser and son-in-law jared kushner and the russia investigation that is growing. this is really dogged the president now for months, but this is the biggest headline to strike one in his inner circle. nbc's kristen welker is traveling with the president and joining us from italy. positive headlines for the president overseas on this trip, but he has to face a lot of tough questions here at home. >> reporter: that's absolutely right, thomas. this morning the president is trying to cast this trip as a success, tweeting earlier today, that many nato nations have said they are going to be paying more in defense. but as you point out, he's also bracing for the reality, the controversies are only mounding back at home, increasingly

involving his son-in-law, jared kushner. as the president marks his final moments at the g7 summit, a bombshell report in "the washington post." the post reporting the president's son-in-law jared kushner and russia's ambassador discussed the possibility of setting up a secret channel of communications between the trump transition team and the kremlin in december before mr. trump took office. the white house hasn't commented. this, as a white house aide tells nbc news they're setting up a war room to deal with reports like this lead by reince priebus, steve bannon and jared kushner. while kushner is not the subject of the investigation, multiple u.s. officials believe he has significant information. it all caps an historic week for the president which started when he touched down in saudi arabia and took steps to reach out to the muslim world, calling on all religions to step up in the fight against extremism. >> drive them out of your places

of worship. drive them out of your communities. >> reporter: in jerusalem and bethlehem, aiming to restart peace talks. his message to the middle east, the u.s. isn't here to judge. >> we are not here to lecture. we are not here to tell other people how to live, what to do, who to be or how to worship. >> reporter: but a very different tone and welcome in europe where he was greeted by thousands of protesters ahead of the nato summit in brussels and didn't hesitate to lex tour allies standing next to him for not paying their fair share. >> this is not fair to the people and taxpayers of the united states. >> reporter: and all the awkward moments in between, longhand shake with newly elected french president, his push seen around the world with the prime minister of montenegro and the first lady's flick of the hand. powerful pictures as president

trump faces fresh criticism at home. hillary clinton speaking at wellesley college, comparing the president to richard nixon. we were furious about the past presidential election of a man whose presidency would eventually end in disgrace with his impeachment for obstruction of justice. >> even a jab from former house speaker john boehner saying foreign affairs have been a bright spot, but, quote, everything else he's done has been a complete disaster. now, as for that latest controversy, "the new york times" reporting this morning that kushner wanted to set up that back channel with russia to discuss syria strategy. nbc news has not independent confirmed this reporting. president trump will grapple with all this when he heads home a few hours from now. thomas? >> kristen welker in italy. great work. we have more now on "the

washington post" report, the fbi looking into telephone conversations involving allegations against president trump's son-in-law, jared kushner. "the washington post" is reporting the russian envoy, sergey kislyak told moscow kushner requested a covert, back channel line of communication between the trump transition team and the kremlin. nbc has not yet confirmed "the washington post" report. joining me is nbc's ken dilanian. what's most striking about this intel report and the origin of it? how trusted can kislyak be that this was an actual request? >> reporter: thomas, current and former intelligence officials are describing this as opening a disturbing new chapter in this whole trump-russia saga. nbc news was the first to report that jared kushner, the president's son-in-law, is under fbi scrutiny in the fbi investigation. this report gives suggestions as to why. you have to consider the context. the u.s. intelligence community

in october issued a statement unanimous and with high confidence that russia interfered in the election. the obama administration was regularlyriefing the trump team on intelligence including that tter. the trump team had former intelligence officers advising them. here you have jared kushner seeking to set up a back channel communication in what my sources tell me can only be an effort to evade u.s. monitoring. it raises the question, why would he do that? we have an explanation out of "the new york times" that it might have been briefing on syria. that makes no sense to me. it sounds like something mike flynn's lawyer would say. we know at least congressional investigators are interested in this matter and we can presume the fbi is as well, thomas. >> if we look back at the timing of all this, it was during the post election, president-elect cycle time. the reports are saying from the post this happened at the beginning of december. we all know that the sanctions levied by president obama

against russia for interference in our election was to expel diplomats. there was a home on the eastern shore of maryland and a residence here in new york where those folks had to pack up and leave by january 1st. it was believed that one of the homes on the eastern shore of maryland was trying to hack and disrupt the nsa headquarters in kept island. so is the timeline as we think about what was playing out under president obama, what the motive could be here, was trying again to ease sanctions coming up for the trump administration on russia? >> it's very possible -- if i'm understanding it right, this meeting may have happened before the sanctions were imposed in december. of course, everyone could see the obama administration was moving toward this public assessment, accusing the russians of hacking and then levying some kind of response. there were other sanctions that

russia is very keenly interested in getting lifted related to the incursion into ukraine. >> that predate the election. >> exactly. so there are deep suspicion -- it goes back to a change in the republican platform about ukraine. there have long been deep suspicions that the trump administration was moving toward lifting sanctions with russia. they have not done so. there are people in the administration strongly speaking out against russia. donald trump is not one of them, thomas. >> what do we know about the robert mueller investigation and where that stands especially with the leaks that are happening, the folks getting things over the transome or in their mailbox leading them down these lanes of reporting? >> we know very little about the robert mueller investigation. we don't even understand how he'll set it up, whether actively running it or in a more managerial role. the other interesting thing about this is a lot of these leaks speak to intelligence that

was gathered months ago and had been briefed widely around the government. you can't assume these leaks are coming from the fbi or robert mueller certainly. this is intelligence information gathered, in this case presumably by the nsa and briefed to members of congress, around the government. clearly there are people leaking this information who are deeply disturbed at the conduct they've seen coming out of this circle. >> thank you. i want to bring in yamiche el sin door, msnbc contributor, mime willis, report are for "the hill." yamiche, the poe testimony purpose for this back channel of communications that jared kushner wanted, in the reports it says sergey kislyak was stunned by this but still went ahead and sent the communication anyway asking for it. this is a bombshell. >> this is quite a bombshell.

why would you want to establish a back channel to talk about something that the american people and american intelligence agencies would also want to talk about, that it would be very normal and very reasonable for you to talk about because that's something that everyone knows we're dealing with and something that is obviously going to be on the president's agenda. really i think the only way to think about this, what else could they be talking about? what possible nefarious things could they be talking about for you to want to by pass cia, fbi, all these other agencies monitoring what you're saying to russia. it continues to grow this now dark and heavy cloud over president trump's administration and the people around him. >> mike, we do know "the washington post" reporting about the proposed back channel cites u.s. officials that were briefed on the intercepts of russian communications about the meeting. but then we have to consider the source. and this is sergey kislyak, a person everyone knows is a russian spy, that's monitored. most likely kislyak knows this

is going to be intercepted or picked up. is it a setup maybe? >> it certainly could be. we don't know the answer to that question, and all these stories are very qic to point out that that is a possibility. they know the u.s. is monitoring it, so will they plant a piece of false information to throw u.s. intelligence agencies off the trail? yes, that's a possibility. we don't know the answer to the question just yet. important to note, as with every story regarding it over the past weeks and months, it raises more questions than it answers almost. we know the who, the what, the where, but we don't know the why. that's really the question at the root of all this, the motivation. like a line out of an oliver stone film or something. the transition team would be meeting with foreign dignitaries, that's part of their job. there would be tons of foreign officials going through and meeting with all of trump's team. the question is why in this particular case would they want a back channel with this particular foreign government, adversarial foreign government one that obama, of course, was targeting with sanctions later

in the month? it fits a very strange pattern. you have michael flynn and was fired over contact with russian officials, jeff sessions, manafort dropped out of the campaign for contact with russian officials. trump fires james comey in an investigation over russia. all those things could be coincidences that add up to absolutely nothing or could be something very sinister. i think what the congressional investigators are looking for, you can see the fbi is on the same page, is the distinction there. does it add up to something bad or add up to nothing? >> we're really on the front edge of this. this is the latest huge thread of connection that's come forward. but this is greg miller from "the washington post" last night telling my colleague how they first learned about this meeting. take a listen. >> quite some time ago we got this letter in the mail, my

colleague ellen in that case shima got it. it came in her mailbox. it was type it had no siature. it gave no means of tracing thi back to the source, but it had a lot of information in it about things that had been happening in trul tower. it appeared to be from somebody inside the transition or inside trump tower who was concerned about what this person was seeing. a lot of what's written or conveyed in this letter has sort of come -- become true over time. >> so this would also be the same time kushner was palling around with general mike flynn who was then fired because of his conversations with kislyak, reportedly talking about sanctions. sally yates came to the white house the brief them on this. they then fire sally yates. how much of the coverup is really going on here if we can look at the timeline and just say, if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, it might just

be a duck the. >> well, the fbi and the parallel investigations going on in congress are going to tell us whether or not it's really a duck. i think right now what we have is continuing, continuing coincidences. really it's continuing shadiness. mike calls it patterns. american people call it maybe questionable things that are going on in the white house. but the idea that something seems to be going on between trump's officials, his campaign and the people still in the white house who are still advising him every day, who are still making critical decisions of our national security and our national well-being, these people also have had these kind of weird relationships with russia, and, of course, i would add to that the fact that this is a foreign government accused of helping donald trump come into office. so to me, as reporter, it begs to know what else is out there. i think when we think about james comey coming to testify

now in public, it seems like it's going to add one more layer to this story. so i think it's going to be must-watch tv to find out what have you found out so fire that got you fired. >> as general flynn's attorney said, he certainly has a story to tell for immunity. mike, when it comes to kushner, the dnc calling for him to be fired from the white house. is there any sense there's any type of gathering storm on that from both sides of the aisle? >> their statement came out very quickly last night. they're the political arm of the democrat party. that's their job to go out on a limb and make it a very political issue in hopes to help the democrats down the ballot. they're fulfilling their role. more notably, we've heard silence from every other office. they've wanted to get more intel. there are some democrats calling for trump's impeachment, and the

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>> first of all, is it illegal? no. is there proof of it? no. you think our government communicates in the media and public for everything we do? absolutely not. there is an absolute need for back channel with every channel. barack obama said he was caught on a hot mike saying he would have more flexibility. that wasn't supposed to go public. all the media generated this native that the american people need to know absolutely everything. wars are overted because of back channel. >> when it comes to espionage which is illegal. this would be illegal treasonous, espionage behavior because of the fact that the president was going to levy more sanctions on russia for the 16 intelligence agencies that all agree they interfered in our election, and this isn't a problem? we already have back channel ways to communicate with russia if we want to, and the president

certainly can. why ask sergey kislyak to establish something for the president-elect to have a communication line to the kremlin? >> the only thing that would make it treasonous is if they were trying to undermine the government. if they want to open the communication channel, there's nothing illegal about that. >> michael flynn got busted for doing just that, undermining obama's policies on sanctions, talking to kislyak with kushner in tow about releasing those sanctions, lifting those sanctions. he got fired. sally yates had to come brief the folks in the white house on the intelligence about flynn and he got canned because he lieo mike pence. >> he got canned for lying to mike pence. >> about the fact that the phone call with kislyak was about lifting the sanctions. >> this is the problem i have the problem with the mainstream media. they wanted to open back channels during the transition time, which is normal. many, many, many presidents

before, many administrations before have done this. >> which ones? >> we don't know about them, but i'm telling you that all these people time and time again, this is how they solve problems. they start building the back channels before they get into office so when they get in they can keep the machine running smooth. >> so countries that have been accused by 16 intelligence agencies of trying to interfere with our election, our then president-elect in the cycles of 2008 and before that with george w. bush in 2004 and 2000, and we can go down the line before that, you think that president-elects have established back channel negotiation lines? >> yeah, absolutely. >> through the ambassadors of other countries to evade intercepts and undermine the current sitting president? >> i'm not saying undermine. i'm saying getting things in

line. i've heard the words alleged, possible, sources. >> mike flynn was fired for -- >> he was fired for lying to pence. >> about discussing sanctions with sergey kislyak. sally yates says this information makes him vulnerable to being compromised to blackmail. they can him. he lied to pence about it. they get rid of him. that's proven. the trump folks have talked abouthat, pence has talked about that. that's not alleged. the phone calls that have gone back and forth and the meetings that have happened, we do know about those, the kushner attorney is asking for specific dates. they're not denying those phone calls happened. that's really not an allegation. the biggest allegation would be, if kislyak is correct, if kushner asked for this communication to have a back channel, and how do we know if we can trust and honest broker

in a sergey kislyak at this point? >> that's the true irony of this. the media has largely said russia can't be trusted, we can't listen to anything we say, but as soon as this narrative comes out, we need to get right on it. you guys are going to have to pick one, which one it is? do you trust the russian, not trust the russians? to be honest, i would encourage our government to have back channels with every government, whether they like us or hate it. i would encourage them to have it with north korea? >> i don't think it's the media's fault. what we're trying to do is fight for freedom of the press. >> do you think the media has the right to know every single operation of back channel that happens within every single branch of government? do you? >> if we have allowed a foreign country to intervene in our election. >> we didn't allow. they intervened on their own accord. >> if it's proven that the trump team somehow had a back channel communication, whether in the transition time or before that because of paul manafort, because of carter page, because

of mike flynn, the list goes on and on. as a former military fighter for our countries and freedoms, i would think you would be mad as hell over the fact that a cold war country potentially has co-opted our country by the president and getting donald trump in officeecau they hated hillary clinton so much. >> you have absolutely no pof that this -- what they did affected the outcome of the election, zero proof. there's a lot of allegations, but zero proof. can we agree on that? >> no, we can't. >> what's the proof? >> i would say the proof is when paul manafort was on board during the convention in cleveland, the only plank that was changed in the republican national committee platform was the policy on ukraine, not to arm them against aggressive russia. that was the only thing changed. paul manafort, the trump folks. >> that is proof that the russians had affected the outcome of the election? that's ludicrous. >> i'm not saying that's

ludicrous or they didn't have sway with the trump folks and their team, but you can't just turn a blind eye that there is some type of activity. >> i think this should be absolutely looked into. and it is. as of now, there's no proof, simply allegations. even maxine waters, the left of the left, said there's no proof. dianne feinstein said the same thing. let's wait for the investigation to come out before we demonize people and tell them they're wrong or treasonous. >> i think the facts will lead us where they may and we have trusted folks in there. i would prefer we just be able to trust the white house and trust donald trump, trust his team and not have to worry about all this. but these are real concerns. >> i connect with that sentiment where i really wish we could trust the white house in the sense that we have peak leaking stuff, for instance, the meeting between mcmaster and the

secretary of state tillerson with the russians -- they leaked something that has no merit to it. those are the real problems we should be looking at here. you'realking abo trusting the white house. les trust the integrity of it, too. >> sure. that would be to who donald trump is surrounding himself with. carl, great to have you here, thank you. new concerns about laptops at airports this holiday weekend. the last thing you want to hear anti. what travellers can expect when they go to the airport and try to get through security. we're back in a minute.

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used twitter to say he will decide next week, unclear on why he can't reach a consensus with other leaders today or make his decision public. the other leaders in the g7, we'll call them the g6 affirmed their belief that the paris agreement on climate change should go forward. that's a significant development out of the meetings here. officials tell us the president's views are evolving on these issues, he's listened intently as the other leaders have talked about their views on climate change and the steps that need to be taken, and also they have told us that the president wanted to be certain any moves made in this area do not harm american jobs. that's where he is on that. also right now there is a briefing going on with hr. mcmaster and gary kohn for president trump, but it is not on camera. yet again, day nine or ten of this trip, no on camera briefing, and the president is

not doinl any kind of news conference while we have seen here at the headquarters while we're working, the other nations have their leaders doing news conferences either yesterday or today as things wrap up. so nothing from president trump in terms of answering questions. also reporters were able to ask the two top white house officials about the reports about senior adviser and son-in-law to the president jared kushner, reports that he tried to communicate with russians, raising questions about a possibility of a secure line to the kremlin. they are declining yet again to respond in any way to questions about jared kushner. of course, he is a white house official and he is a part of this investigation, but they are not commenting. so as this wraps up in what has been an extraordinarily beautiful setting and an important meeting, the white house is telling us that president trump will put the pause on when it comes to climate change and the paris agreement, letting us know next

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when we are kind of housed together with the press core for the other countries that are participating. you see how quickly they are doing press conference, it's more stark. when we're talking about press conferences, we're talking about american journalists here as an intermediary for the public, a chance to ask questions of the american president or top officials to do it on camera is a way for the public to know more about whas happening here. it is stark that is not happening. the other strange thing is they are refusing to let us take pictures of the briefing going on, audio only. yet they're tweeting photos they've taken of the briefing. yet when i have been in these briefings and you try to take a photo, they say no pictures, it's off camera. it's a confusing way of handling it, it's not the norm. it's okay for a white house to try to set up and do things differently, but they're really keeping the american media who

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welcome back. the three big headlines this morning are on jared kushner and these alleged links, communicating with russia, wanting back channels as president-elect donald trump was about to be ininaugurated. i want to bring in jonathan alter. i used the word espionage with carl higby, a trump supporter.

he thought that was inappropriate. a bridge too far, big words. is that accurate at this point, that this could be espionage? >> it could be, and i think the press does have to be careful about getting ahead of ourselves. there's enough real news and cause for concern to prevent us from jumping to too many conclusions. this is extraordinarily disturbing. >> plus the lawyer pushing back saying, oh, mr. kushner made thousands of calls. he doesn't remember, have a recollection of this. i would think because russia was so much in the headlines, sergey kislyak is pretty recognizable, noticeable. you remember speaking to him if you're a young guy in your mid 30s. >> the reason they're saying that is because apparently jared kushner lied. he was given a form for security clearance on his meetings with reign leaders or reestatives of foreign governments of any kind, and he said no, that he did not have these meetings. then a story comes out in the

press that actually, not only did he have a conversation on the phone which you could conceivably forget, that there was a meeting at trump tower with the russians. at that point he amends, quote, amends. >> saying it was an oversight. >> saying it was an oversight. to not remember a meeting that took place a few weeks before, stretches credulity. this to me is fornt thing. now we learn not only is there a meeting, he forgot the grip and grin. he didn't remember. a lot of people coming in and out of trump tower. he forgot that. now we know there was a purpose to this meeting, to set up a highly unorthodox, a mild way of putting it, a bizarre scheme for him to go over to the russian embassy, something that's never been done. he's so naive. the u.s. has always monitored

who goes in and out of the russian embassy and the russian consulate. he wanted to go up there and set up a secret channel. the idea that he forgot he had that meeting and signed the form saying, no, no, there was no meeting, jared kushner lied when he was filling out that form. >> you think trump protects him or fires him? >> he's unfirable. he's his son-in-law. that's why he's in this position despite this naivete, an extraordinarily dangerous, possibly treasonous naivete is that he is one of the only people that donald trump feels that he can trust. >> if one person is going to get fired, it's not going to be your blood. that's why the tmp boys are back in new york and ivanka is in d.c. and jared is there. thank you, sir. thank you. >> dead on arrival. why so many on both sides of the political aisle say the president's budget goals are

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you said the foundation of your budget is 3% growth. i've looked every which way at how you might get there, and you can't get there. >> senator, can i ask you about the president's budget. is it dead on arrival? >> yes. >> yes, definitely dead on arrival. >> you heard right there republicans mark sanford, john mccain, lindsey graham panning the president's pro budget proposals. maya, why do you think there are so many republicans saying this budget is doa? >> i think this kbt has a huge challenge because the country has a huge challenge. our debt is at near record levels. unfortunately the administration is trying to duck too many hard

choices to put forward a responsible budget. on the one hand, it has the ambitious goal of trying to reach balance in ten years. on the other hand, it increases spending for defense and other areas. it has a tax reform plan oddly missing from the entire budget, which we can't touch. it walltis off social security d medicare which have to be dealt with if we want to fix the situation. they end up filling the gap with promises of growth which is not possible. >> this project is $2 trillion in extra federal revenue growth because of the president wanting to pay off on the biggest tax cut in history, but uses the same $2 trillion to balance the budget in that decade, that ten-year span. why is the math so fuzzy? >> the situation has become even odder, frankly.

they take this $2 trillion, way too ambitious about the promises. we neeto try to grow the economy, but need to be realistic. they count the money twice if they're going to use it to help balance the budget and to balance the budget and pay for tax cuts. mick mulvaney said they actually offset tax cuts by getting rid of loopholes and broadening, that's terrific, would make sense for tax reform. at the same time you have the secretary of treasury saying, i don't know, we're going to use economic growth to help pay for this tax plan. we're hearing two different stories. that makes the math fuzzier. the budget is supposed to be the peer plan for the white house that lays out the goals and aspirations and then congress runs wit. we're n -- runs with it. we're not quite sure what the aspirations are at this point. >> includes some of the things they want to knock out this summer. receipts see if he can make it

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new screening tests for passengers traveling this weekend, dozens of airports screening electronics larger than cell phones. terrorists planning to attack flights for u.s. and europe via electronic device. joining me washington correspondent for "new york times," ron, walk us through the prohibited electronics at issue here. ones of concern. >> items are ereaders, ipads, anything that's bigger than a cell phone that the tasa is goig to require you put in a separate bin. similar to what you do with your laptop. now you take your phone and everything else and dump it in a

bin with all the other items. what they are saying now, we want to you put your ereader, ipads, cameras, big items you have bigger than a cell phone into a separate bin to allow them to x-ray it and look for evidence of some type of tampering. >> what rules set up if something pins or their hackles go up on monaco larger than a cell phone. what are your rights as a passenger if they say we've got to confiscate this. >> the same thing they do. they will come up to you and say, hey, would you move off to the side here. let me -- we're going to examine th this. they will explain how what they are doing. you've seen this at the airport. examine the bag and determine whether or not it's an anomaly or something that actually in there that needs the attention of law enforcement. >> tsa explains advance screening test for this why?

>> well, they are saying they are testing their counter-measures, that there's no immediate threat or no imminent threat. but they are always changing up just so that the terrorists don't get a chance to tab a pattern of how they do the screens. >> ron nixon, thank you for your time and really appreciate your reporting on this. have a great memorial day weekend. >> thank you. thanks for having me. you have a great memorial day as well. >> thank you. you at home, thank you for your time. have a wonderful holiday weekend. stay safe. love on your family. that's it or "msnbc live." "am joy," a new report claiming estate empire made money by l suing tenants. joy is going to dive in on that. i'm thomas roberts. i'll see you back tomorrow 9:00 a.m. "msnbc live." g you back? break through your allergies. try new flonase sensimist allergy relief instead of allergy pills. it's more complete allergy relief in a gentle mist experience you'll barely feel.

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"am joy" as tmpznternational tour enters its last day it continues to be overshadowed by russia-gate controversy at home, which now includes one of the closest and most influential members of trump's own circle, his very own son-in-law jared kushner. the latest bombshell comes from the "washington post" which reported last friday in a secret meeting inside trump tower in new york at trump tower, jared kushner and russia's ambassador to washington discussed the possibility of setting up a secret and secure communications channel between trump's transition team and the kremlin using russian diplomatic facilities in an apparent move to shield their discussions from monitoring. reports it was kushner who asked for the secure channel and the ambassador was taken aback. neither the white house nor kushner's attorney