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fatality stabbed by a white student while visiting the university of maryland. collins, an army rotc officer, was just three days away from graduation, and about to begin training to defend the nation from chemical attacks. the murder is being investigated as a possible hate crime with the news that the killer belonged to a racist facebook group known as alt-right nation. yesterday we learned that two men were killed and another injured trying to defend two muslim women who were harassed on a portland, oregon commuter train. the attacker was shouting anti-muslim slurs according to reports. a lot has been written about the rise of white nationalism in the trump era. to be fair, this growth started

in earnest reaction as a reaction to president obama whose tenure saw a mass i increase in the number of hate groups and anti-government militias. yet, the trump department of homeland security has de-emphasized the threat these groups pose to focus exclusively on islamic terror. so my question this morning is whether the trump administration is endangering the nation by underplaying home grown threats in favor of more politically convenient targets abroad. joining me now from montgomery, alabama is richard cohen, from detroit, dau d baiid, and ozzy

parbarra. let me go to dauud. the fact that we're seeing what we saw the portland. the fact that we're seeing an increase in hate crimes, the fact that we're seeing people using their own video parts of their smart phones and camera phones that are recording these things on a daily basis that many of us are getting, and we are not hearing the emphasis from the trump administration or from homeland security under the trump administration. they've almost exclusively talked about the threat of muslim terrorists abroad. how does this measure in terms of raising the level of danger and the level of rhetoric against muslims in america? >> well, you said that

correctly. in 2009 the department of homeland security warned our country about the rising threat of white supremacists and white nationalist groups involved in domestic terrorism. since president trump was voted into office, we've seen an uptick in cases in terms of hate crimes against people of color, including muslims. what's really fascinating is that mr. trump can go halfway across the world to saudi arabia and speak to a group of autocrats against international terrorism or about international terrorism in which some of their governments have helped fuel terrorism, and then he also says that his first thought or his first concern is the safety and security of americans, yet, he's been silent. the silence has been deafening in terms of the amount of hate crimes and actual, what i say, white terrorist attacks that have taken place in the united states of america including that white spremist that stabbed

those two white males to death that stood up as good samaritans to protect muslim women in portland, oregon. >> richard, you documented nobody's better at this than the southern poverty law center. how real is the increase in hate crimes? how real is the level of concern for you and others of us in the broader civil rights. this is a real growing problem that's been ignored by this administration for the post part? >> well, we're quite concerned. last year we saw a tripling in the number of these radical anti-muslim groups. that followed on a year when the fbi documented about a 67% increase in the number of anti-muslim hate crimes. it's not just the trump administration's response to the

problem. mr. trump himself has not taken responsibility for how his actions, how his words have royaled the waters. mr. trump's xenophobic vitriolic campaign have told many people that the gloves are off and that they are allowed, basically, to act on their worst instincts. he needs to take responsibility for what he's done and take action to basically put the genie back in the bottle. >> ozzy, how much of this is donald trump. how much of this is him playing to the right wing? because you covered new york. i've been very active in civil rights in new york the last decades. i can't remember attacks in new york. i'm talking about the 80s when i was involved in leadership going forward, where trump was a new yorker, lived in the burro. i kept thinking the last three or four decades, it was speaking

out about attacks in new york, let's alone as a president dealing broadly. the only attack i heard him speak on was when he was on the wrong side of the central park 5 case and said those five young men who were innocent should be executed. he never opened his mouth. >> shehe's selective about when speaks out about the crimes and he's purposely when people say hate crimes committed by whites are are on the rise. what trump and others argue is that those are isolated and not connected to the rhetoric the president put forward. when the attacker appears to be muslim, there's an instant cry of connecting that to a series of other events. when it suits their purposes, they say look at the pattern that's happening on the other side. when people say look what's happening at home with the rise

in the alt-right and white rate crimes, they say they're isolated. you can't have it both ways. if you're going to travel abroad and speak out against extremism, you have to recognize it when it's at home. >> listen to the maryland congressman, anthony brown. >> pretending that the murder of richard collins is an isolated incident will only make the situation worse. one would have to be purposefully obtuse to not see a direct line from the recent elections to the emboldening of the perpetrators across the country. today i'm calling on the administration that has repeatedly failed to denounce the hate crimes connected to jews, members of the lgbt community. >> second lieutenant, black rotc soldier. memorial day weekend this going

in. no denouncing of this. the alleged perpetrator, a member of a facebook alt-right group. richard, how can you not hear from the administration about this? and where's the media? it's almost been a blackout, or as we would say in the movement circles, a whiteout, of the atrocity of what happened to collins here. >> yeah. you don't want it to become normal and people ignore it. social norms are fragile. we need leadership in our country both from the pulpit and from our political leaders to reinforce the social norms that keep civil society together. unfortunately with the kind of rhetoric from the trump campaign for some of the problems that we're seeing, i worry that those social norms are unraveling. >> you know, ozzy, part of it is where's the media?

people have asked me all my life, why do you march and lead marches? because without that you don't get the social attention. why isn't the media raising issue like colins and others? why do we have to always have to have these -- have street theater raise the attention, and then we get condemned for doing the street theater which we have to do otherwise the unheard will never be heard? >> it's unfortunate when incidents like this don't get as much coverage as they deserve. i think one reason why it doesn't right now is because there's so much news out of washington about donald trump. on friday when you had "the washington post" break a story about jared kushner, the president's son-in-law and top aid wants to create a back channel to the russians using a russian facility. this is not long after a series of other scandals. >> but we found to a way to cover white hands walking down

the carpet. what i say is i think richard is right about the normalization j but it's about the margin alizing of the lives of people of colors that i think those choices need to be challenged even in the media. >> one thing is for sure. our country is not a post racial country. we have a disease of white supremacy in our society that plays itself in subtle ways. it seems to be that when there's white attackers, white folks get the benefit of the doubt, and they're talked about as being anomalies or they somehow are not seen, but then when a person of color doesn't attack, it gets blown up in the media. they're all 100% seen, and then at the time, it's used as a type of means of trying to talk about a grown. it goes back to white privilege and how white folks get the

benefit of the doubt and they minimize the crimes they're involved in. while it's people of color, especially a muslim, then 1b.6 billion people get grouped by a group of radicals. >> i'm going to have to leave it there. thank you to you all. later in the show, fear of white supremacy is driving up sales of guns among black americans. coming up next, former attorney general j erik holder called it a water shed moment in the fight to end racial gerrymandering. what was he talking about? i'll tell you when we come back. this is politics nation. re fibr, i was a doer. i was active. then the chronic, widespread pain drained my energy. my doctor said moving more helps ease fibromyalgia pain. she also prescribed lyrica. fibromyalgia is thought to be the result of overactive nerves. lyrica is believed to calm these nerves.

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supreme court struck down two congressional district maps in north carolina. ruling that the state had engaged in an unconstitutional racial gerrymandering. meaning that it had relied too heavily on race in the drawing the borderlines of those districts like north carolina voters argued the new borders packed them in districts that had already had a high percentage of african americans. thus, diluting their presence in other districts. the ruling may have significant potential implications for the 2018 midterm elections. former attorney general erik holder called it, quote, a quarter shed moenment in the fit to end racial gerrymandering. does the ruling have the potential to affect not just

north carolina but across the south and maybe the nation as a whole? joining me now from shorcharlots the south carolina congress woman. congresswoman, let me put it to you directly. they were almost just stacking blacks on top of each other in two districts and not having them also in many of the other areas which protected seats, because they didn't have to worry about an expanded voting electorate. now that the supreme court has found that, how will that impact those districts now that now have to deal with an expanded population and how could this affect districts similar to this around the country as we head into 2018? >> well, thank you, reverend. you know, i certainly applaud what the supreme court did to uphold the ruling of the lower court that yes, indeed, racial

gerrymandering is unconstitutional, and it's not going to be tolerated. that what it does when you pack all of these african americans into a district that's already full with african americans, you dilute our power outside of that. so i think it's going to have a tremendous impact on other districts, similar drawings across this country. and, yes, i believe that as we look toward the 2020 census, it's going to be important that we pay attention to the 2018 elections of the general assemblies who will actually will be redrawing and looking at the drawing of new districts, so we're hopeful that this ruling will have an impact not only in north carolina but across the country. they're going to probably have

to -- when they draw them, gerrymandering racial gerrymandering will not be tolerated. >> i'm glad you mentioned about the local general assemblies. because the lines are drawn by the local state legislators. a lot of people talk about the congressional races, but the congressional lines are actually drawn by their local state legislators and people have to focus on voting for that. but the racial aspect of this, we've talked about and it's clear. but it's also politically where they do this because they feel most blacks will vote democratic. a lot of the reasons feel they are safe in the midterm elections no matter how unpopular donald trump may be, if their districts are carved with people that are most likely to vote republican, no matter what. the politics of this is basically undemocratic. >> well, you're right. the majority of the democrats

are african american, and so they used really the partisan aspect as well, so we do have some issues. folks need to make sure that we have -- that we elect people to the general assembly who are going to be fair, who will look at drawing these lines if, in fact, they're going to continue to draw them. so that they represent the state. north carolina has 13 folks in the congress. ten of those are republicans. three are democrats. that is not reflective of our state. we have more democrats registered here in north carolina. we almost have a 50/50. so we need to make sure that our citizens are represented fairly, and that would mean that we should have equal representation, at least, in our congress. >> well, i'm glad at least one of those congress people is you who has really stood up and fought these fights. thank you so much for joining

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the time. >> i am alvin. i'm the founder and chief reading inspirer at barbershop books. my role is to help inspire young black boys and other boys to fall in love with reading. that is what i'm doing each and every day. the mission of barbershop books is to help young black boys and other young boys to identify as readers by involving men and boys early reading experiences. people ask me all the time by barbershops? there are lots of spaces in the community where boys might be sit organization whiting for a while, but none of those spaces are male-centered spaces that create an opportunity for men to be involved on a regular basis. there are thousands if not millions of young black boys who never see a black man reading in school or encouraging them to

read. many of them may not have releva relevant male reading models, however, a lot of the same boys some of the barbershop, some of them twice a month. there's an opportunity to improve the relationships that barbers have with young boys to help them identify as readers. >> since i had the books, i have had kids come into the shop and literally walk over to the barbershop book stand and grab a book. it's a beautiful program that helps the children read. it helps the parents connect with the children even more and helps the parents read to the children. and it also gives the kids a chance to read on their own. i hope that all barbershops, everywhere, will pick up this program, because this is a very good program for all the

barbershops and all the children that come in. boys and girls. >> at the end of the day, what barbershop books wants to do is to get young black boys to see they words, i'm a reader. thanks again to alvin erby and barbershop books. a quick note. if you want to donate or volunteer with barbershop books, visit barbershopbooks.org. now a quick update on our friend leslie mcspatten. she's the mother of michael brown, the 18-year-old black man fatality shot by a white police officer in ferguson, missouri. along with that she's been continuing to advocate for the memory of her son, but she graduated from jennings high school outside of st. louis friday as part of an adult education program she helped to start.

completing that family affair, her daughter also received her diploma. i've known the family for three years now, and we at politicsnation wish both women the very best. when we come back, more and more african americans are buying guns since donald trump took office. is that a good thing or a bad thing? that debate in just a moment. are allergies holding you back? break through your allergies. try new flonase sensimist allergy relief instead of allergy pills. it's more complete allergy relief in a gentle mist experience you'll barely feel. using unique mistpro technology, new flonase sensimist delivers a gentle mist to help block six key inflammatory substances that cause your symptoms. most allergy pills only block one. and six is greater than one. new flonase sensimist changes everything.

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the story of legal gun ownership among black americans is as combustible as it is complex. some have contended that modern gun control begins not with school shootings but with the black panther party for self

defense. who in may of 1967 legally entered the california state house, brandishing shotguns and pistols to protest a bill proposed specifically to restrict their gun rights. the visual of legally armed black revolutionaries promised then governor ronald reagan to sign the bill into law forbidding public carrying of loaded firearms. that and other incidents of the era prompted lawmakers to pass the first national gun control legislation of the post war era. launching the gun debate as we know it. a debate that dogged the obama administration where sales exploded under the right wing's assumption that ownership would be restricted. but nbc news has found that it is african americans that are now increasingly taking up legal

arms in the trump era. while the buyers are diverse in age and gender, the reasoning is sinkular. they don't trust the trump administration to protect them from the white spremist aggression we've seen in the last year. joining me from st. louis is paul berry who ran for congress as a republican in 2016. he is now host of "show me politics" tv. you have been an advocate for this. tell me why and what you think is achieved by blacks buying and owning more guns? >> good morning. and happy sunday, reverend. >> thank you. >> first, i want to clarify. this is sort of a misconception.

i'm not actually for arming people. what i do believe is that regardless of who you are, race, creed, zip code or financial background, that you have access to the united states constitution. now, currently in the constitution the second amendment provides that a person may bear arms. my position's always been simple. you should not be fearful as an african american to open, conceal carry, or own a gun just like anywhere else in america. and i believe that your constitutional right should not be watered down like ordering a street have pizza. for myself, if you support the first amendment right to protest, you have to protect the second amendment. if you support the jury trial, you support civil rights. for myself, it's open carry, conceal carry, no carry. every citizen should have an equal opportunity access.

where i get frustrate second down when we have politicians that lay on the congressional floor yelling no buy, to me, what we have to do is we have to talk about the real issues and the real issue is illegal gun ownership. and violencviolence. >> i think that some that yell on the floor are also saying that across the board, and they're not concerned about just telling blacks not to be able to have the same constitutional rights as others, but so really deal with the fact of gun ownership, but the other aspect of this, and i agree. we must have equal execution of our constitutional rights. but let's be serious, paul. blacks riding around with guns given the racial dynamics even with law enforcement, is a lot different than other americans. and aren't we also setting up situations that could lead to more shootings? oh, he had a gun.

i felt he was going to shoot. the danger of that, i think, has to be entered into this consideration, because we can't act like everyone is equally treated when they're viewed even by law enforcement if they're carrying a weapon. >> what you said is articulate. my response is this. we have two paths. path a is the path of the shadows. that we're going to live in the shadows of the constitution and we're not going to express our rights as others. in the second path, we're going to have sunshine. we're going to have light, and we're going to respect the fact that we have these constitutional rights. you know, in st. louis, my hometo hometown, we have the highest death rates regarding toddlers. but you know why that comes? what happens and why it's not happening in rural america? because people in rural america are teaching their children

firearm safety. here in these urban areas, they say if you teach somebody how to be safe with a gun, that you're supporting gun ownership. i don't agree with that. >> i think you're being articulate in your answer, but you're not addressing what i'm saying. let's put the sunlight on it. the sunlight says that people are treated differently that are gun owners based on who they are. i'm not saying operate in the shade. i'm saying that how people relate to people that own guns are shady, depending on their skin texture and depending on who they are and in some cases, even whether they're muslim or not. so if we're going to put the sunlight on, put the sunlight on the disparities that plays into that if i teach my child one thing, it is not the same as another american teaching their child just from the optics of who has the gun. >> how do you address, respectfully, how do you address

the disparities if we're going to say all black people aren't going to own guns? >> no. maybe by dealing with gun control for everybody since you seemingly can't control the ending of racial disparities. let me show you a clip of what a person said that is not what you're saying. this is the kinds of things that we're talking about that i'm concerned about. >> seval times. he's told his people to protect yourselves. he told them to look out for the enemy. so we have no problem with that when people come and say -- no, the god that i serve was a god of wrath, vengeance, protection, watching out for his own. >> so that's the kind of thing that bothers me. i've been a follower of martin luther king all my life.

i believe in a resaving of america's soul, not that we ought to be the ones with vengeance. you have people out here preaching get a gun, have vengeance, which i understand anger. i understand fear. i understand self-protection as we see these militia groups rising, but i also understand we are not playing on an even playing field. so even if you don't have the commitment to nonviolence that i have, you've got to have the reality of that you are treated differently, and are we setting people up for more danger and situations like we've seen? >> and what i believe in this situation what we need to do as a people is have an honest conversation. so if i carry a gun on my hip inside a walmart in the state of missouri as a practicing bail bondsman, do i get a couple i cuts? yeah. the bottom line is this. we're going to make sure that we

have the same constitutional rights as all others and so say we're going to restrict them for everybody, we're not being realistic in the time of who our president is, who our congress is, so what are we going to do? are we going to sit there and wait for four, eight years, or however long you think there's a chance for a different administration. st. louis is right now the number one murder capital of the united states. we rank higher than honduras in murders per capita. >> you also are at ferguson where there wasn't a gun. i'm not talking about waiting. i'm talking about dealing right now and let's not wait for them to one day say that we have equal constitutional rights when we're not protected under the present laws now without guns. imagine if we had more of us with guns. let's continue this debate in the future. i thank you for coming on. you're a very good guest. thank you. >> i thank you. happy sunday.

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arrested. he even denied a plea deal offered to him, his family and friends have recently presented nearly 80,000 signatures on a petition asking for his release. and this month the county district attorney announced they're conducting another investigation into the case that led to donte's conviction. joining me now, cdonte's mother and an attorney with the advancement project who is helping the family in the case, and the former president of north carolina naacp chapter. now the president of repairers of the breach, and a pastor of green leaf christian church of disciples of christ in north carolina. reverend, you brought this to me attention. i'm going to be joining you down there on this case. what spoke to your heart that

you've been so diligent on this case, and advocated for donte? >> well, thank you so much, reverend. it's good to be with you and with kaitlyn and the forward justice and the project. the naacp and color for change and now with you coming on, this is a powerful case. this man has been in jail over 22 years for a crime he did not commit. the witness has recanted for more than 20 years. there was no physical evidence in this case. the young man has refused to take plea deals that would have let him out because he says i'm innocent. i can't do it for over 20 -some years. the suspect that actually did the crime, there was evidence of who it was, and it has not been pursued. there was collusion by the judicial system in the county and the cops, and they know that this man is innocent. that's why we're calling for an independent review, even beyond

the current da. the d.a. in the county, governor cooper and the attorney general can change this wrong. over 22 years the state has gotten it wrong, and reverend al, it's immoral and wrong. donte sharp should be out. he has not seen his children. he has not seen his grandchildren. he should be contributing to society. i visited him in the prisons several times. even the guards, they know this is an innocent man who should not be in jail. >> kaitlyn, why has it taken so long to address this if two years later the eyewitness recanted? i mean, what was the reasoning behind this prosecution zeroing in on donte? >> well, first of all, thank you for having us with you this morning. from the perspectives of the attorneys who have worked on this case including the duke law innocence project which has worked on it for more than a

decade, one of the major problems here is that the criminal justice system is designed to look backwards. it is designed -- we are not able to apologize when we get things wrong. every objective court that has looked at this case has, in fact, found that it was ir repably -- it was an irreparable unconstitutional wrongful conviction. in fact, in 2010 a federal court found donte innocent and ordered his immediate release. that decision was overturned by the fourth circuit. that is why we've been back fighting again at the county and state level to finally get justice in this case for a man who as the reverend said, has shown such integrity, not being willing to accept a plea deal that would have allowed him to

leave prison, but required him to admit to a crime that he did not commit. >> miss blakely, i know this has had to be a tremendous burden on you as his mother, and the family. but you must have pride that he would not plea to something that he didn't do, even though he's been in jail all of this time. he seems to have a resolve. tell us how you've had to live through these last two decades with your son who said he's innocent and won't take a plea deal and you feel as a mother he's there doing time, missing the core years of his life for something he didn't do. >> well, it's been hard. i guess going to the prison to see him, and him having the smiles and the energy and keeping me going for these 22 years.

and i think the thing that really gets me the most is that like the reverend said, he has a daughter. they really haven't bonded and he has two grandchildren. he's seen one and not the other. thgrandchildren. he's seen one but not the other, but it's caused so much strain on the family. my sister used to be with me from the time he was arrested and then she passed of lung cancer. that was hard on dontai. it's been a big strain. being something that -- i guess what i talk to -- i'm trying to live up to myself. you know, when you're innocent of something, i always talk to -- i tell him not to own up to something he didn't do. if you're guilty, then you accept whatever and you go on. but if you're innocent not to take nothing. i taught them, say what's right,

and be right. >> i'm out of time, but reverend barber, this is what repairs of the breach really means. standing in the gap and repair where there's an injustice and a break in what the country should be about. >> exactly. we're looking forward to you coming with the action network here. the governor can pardon him tomorrow. the da can say, i want an independent review. dontai is ready for the independent review and this tragedy could be -- this tragedy could be overturned. the fact of the matter, north carolina has had the highest rate of those exonerated from prison than any other state in the country. >> i appreciate that. reverend william barber, and sarah blakely and caitlyn swain. you all continue to stand and we will continue to report this. listen to this. listen to this.

alabama this week, governor kay ivey signed a bill into law which restores voting rights to thousands of felons. until now the state has barred anyone with a felony conviction from voting. not anymore. as under the new law, voting rights are taken away only from those who committed a specific set of felonies bringing thousands to register and taking part in democracy once again. my congratulations to my brother reverend kenny glasgow and others in the fight. up next, what we should be thinking about on this memorial day. stay with us. ♪

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tomorrow is memorial day where we remember the men and women who served in e military that lost their lives for their country. i protested various wars, various military engagements all

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hi, everybody. i'm thomas roberts here at msnbc in new york. it's day 129 of the trump administration. and new this morning on "msnbc live," president trump is back at the white house. fresh off of his first overseas trip. arriving late last night amid reports of jared kushner's alleged conversations with russian officials. sources telling "the washington post" that president trump's son-in-law and senior adviser is staying put at least for the time being. now some white house aides have discreetly discussed among themselves whether he should play a