hi, good sunday to you. welcome to "pulse of america." here are the stories to get your pulse on today. president trump waking up at the white house this morning. it -- his first morning in

almost two weeks is filled with controversy though, including reports that his son-in-law and senior adviser jared kushner allegedly wanted a secret back channel with russian officials. today, some want his security clearance pulled. president trump calls his nine day foreign trip a success, but one world leader might disagree. did it create more or less confidence in his foreign policy? a new barrier to the border wall. the families vow to fight president trump if he uses eminent domain to take their private property to build his wall. to voice your opinions, just get out your digital device, phone, laptop, whatever you have. log on to pulse.msnbc.com/america, and that's where you can participate by selecting your response. a reminder for you, you can vote as many times as you want throughout the show. we want to get your opinion. we'll share the results throughout this day. we begin though in washington where jet lag is not the only problem president trump faces this afternoon. new reports about his team's

contacts with russia are shining a spotlight on son-in-law jared kushner. the president not addressing it directly, instead, firing off several tweets about leaks and fake news just this morning. republican senators lindsey graham and bob corker so far, not giving too much credit to the new reports. >> i don't trust this story as far as i can throw it. >> instead of getting wrapped up into a lot of hyperbole, as these things can sometimes do, i think talking with him directly and getting him to answer any and all questions as he said he would do would probably be the prudent course of action. >> the top democrat the house intel committee, adam schiff, had this to say. >> i do think there ought to be a review of his security clearance to find out if he was truthful or candid. if not he can't maintain his clearance. >> agree or disagree, based on new reports, jared kushner's

security clearance should be pulled. let's get to nbc's mike mccar a this afternoon. good to see you. are we hearing from other members of the administration so far, what might they be saying? >> well, we have. i think we can break down the defense of jared kushner and the trump white house in two ways, two basic categories here. first, there's outrage over the leaks themselves. not necessarily the substance of the leaks. what president trump may have said or may not have said to sergei lavrov, the foreign minister or others or when someone at the administration or the intelligence community, it's not known, spilled the details about the manchester attack that angered theresa may the prime minister. that's bad enough. but there is outrage and this comes from both sides of the aisle incidentally about the leaks themselves. who is responsible for these leaks? there's also a defense coming from those close to the president and in the cabinet that what jared kushner did was not that unusual.

he simply is trying to open up a back channel. that's his torecally been done before. one of them the defenders was the -- was general kelly. >> i know jared, he's a great guy, decent guy. he's the number one -- his number one interest is the nation. so, you know, a lot of different ways to communicate back channel, you know, publicly with other countries. i don't see any big issue here relative to jared. >> and richard, it's been reported that today will be the first meeting at the white house between president trump and top officials. and the man -- the lawyer that has been tapped to lead the defense of president trump, the outside counsel, mark kasowitz. >> thank you so much. in an exclusive interview with chuck todd on "meet the press," former director of

national intelligence clapper asked whether he knew about the reported communications between the russians and kushner. take a listen. >> without specific -- specifically affirming or confirming these conversations since even though they're in the realm, they're classified but from the theoretical stand point i will tell you that my dashboard warning light was clearly on and i think that was the case with all of us in the intelligence community. >> let's bring in ned price, former senior director of the national security director and we have jeremy bash from the cia and department of defense. he's an msnbc national security analyst. we have josh meyer from politico. let's start with you on this, jeremy. what is the thought, the warning light? he said theoretically, but was he really giving us more? >> two things are concerning about this story and we need to understand more of the factual basis, probably too soon to make

any determinations yet about culpability or treason as people said. i think we're far from that. >> espionage is another word. >> right. two things. one is going to the russian facility and using their communication devices that shows clear intent to shield the communications from u.s. intelligence. that's very curious and potentially trouble some. the other aspect, if it's about syria that's a place we have troops on the ground and one of the things that you have one present at a time is because if you're going to be coordinating military operations with the russians in syria, for example, that can affect the lives, security and safety of our troops. that is a very dangerous thing. that's why we have discipline in our command and control system. >> ned, build on what jeremy said here. john kelly also saying today that any line of communication with russia is a good thing. >> well, look, they attempted to

describe this as a back channel. in is an attempt by a private citizen to establish a covert communication system with the hostile power. look, back powers in and themselves are not a bad thing when they're administered by the administration. and the obama administration used back channels in the context of iran, in the context of the opening to cuba and other areas. but this is not a back channel in the way that they're conceived. this was as jeremy alluded to a covert attempt to establish a secret line of communications. -- with the russians. you asked yourself what could be the innocuous explanation be for that and i can't come up with. >> senators graham and corker saying hold on a second. these are -- these reports are no good, basically. josh, is this going to take a left and right thematic here as we move forward? >> richard, it probably will. i think that whatever you have to say about the underlying reports they raise a lot of good

questions, a lot of troubling questions and for me the big take away why hasn't the white house said anything? why hasn't jared kushner and his team responded in any way, even if it were to sort of leak strategically to get their side out of the story. so i understand the need for back channels. but i think what jeremy said abouhow the u.s.as troops on the ground,ow can there only be one president at a time as ned said, i mean, this really doesn't pass the smell test. i think that what we really need to do as journalists certain my people on the hill and elsewhere need to do is get to the bottom of this and get some specific responses from them as to what happened, what their intentions were. >> specific responses. which may come in the new week as we start one on this day. jeremy, i remember when the news came out, you were on air when we were reporting this on friday. today is a sunday. we have a bunch of days in front of us in this new week. put the arc together in terms of how your thoughts have changed and where they might go. >> well, there are three pillars to this overall investigation.

the first is whether criminal laws were broken either by mike flynn or paul manafort in terms of failure to register as foreign agents. the second pillar and more important is the broad counterintelligence investigation about what russia was doing in our election and who it may have helping and the third pillar is the obstruction of justice pillar with regards to the firing of the fbi director. some people are waiting for criminal indictments. i think this is a long effort by mueller to investigate this, look at this. and ultimately report to congress and make congress under their authority under article one make some judgments about presidential conduct here. >> ned, what are you hearing from the intelligence community, if anything, in reaction to this reporting that came out on friday and has now moved through the weekend? >> well, i think you have heard senior intelligence officials make the very good point that if any of their employees were to have done this, if any rank and

file cia officer or nsa officer were have attempted to go to the russian embassy up here in washington, d.c. and try to establish a covert line of communications, not only would they be immediately fired but most likely be charged with a very serious crime up to and including espionage. clearly this is something that has rankled the intelligence community but let's remember that the intelligence community has not had a smooth relationship with president trump to begin with. even before president trump took the oath of office. he had called the intelligence community liars. he had compared them to nazis. he made a visit to cia headquarters on the first full day in office where he recounted in front of the memorial wall his crowd sizes. so this is one in a series of missteps with the intelligence community that will surely make that relationship even rockier. >> with some members of congress and with some members of the judiciary as well. finishing with you, josh, on

this, four investigation, we have mueller and his investigation as well. what is the reaction of the staffers that are part of the investigations? >> i think that richard, they really don't know what to expect is going to happen next. i mean, you know, just literally waiting for one shoe after another to drop. i think they feel out of the loop. i think they feel like there's a lot more out there they don't know about. one thing i would like to circle back to, general clapper when you look under the dictionary for low key, general clapper is it. what he said earlier today to chuck todd you have to look at what he said carefully because that's him screaming as loud as he can -- >> warning light. >> so it's not just fake news. you have the former head of the dni saying that he was very concerned about it. that's what i read from that. you have john mclaughlin from the cia using the treason word. a lot of questions. i think we need a lot of answers. and to what jeremy said about the investigation taking a long

time, i agree with that. but the obstruction of justice part will move very quickly. they need to lock down whatever kind of evidence there is of that, you know, tape recordings if there are some. documents and so forth. so look to see that happening pretty quickly i would say. >> great to have you three big brains on the topic. thank you. >> thank you. >> all right, still time to answer the first pulse question. agree or disagree, based on new reports, jared kushner's security clearance should be pulled. go to pulse.msnbc.com/america. rapping right now, eight people are dead in rural many mississippi. among the victims a sheriff's deputy. what the suspect told reporters after was taken into custody, next. break through your allergies.

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happening right now. a tragic one out of mississippi. people were shot dead at three separate locations in rural lincoln county overnight. the suspect is willie corey godbolt who admitted to the shooting after being arrested. he have at the first residence to talk about his children and at some point the neighbors called the police and then the shooting started. >> my pain was a desire for him. he was just there. >> so you're saying hefltion collateral damage? >> he was talk -- we was talking about me taking my children. and then called the police. i was having a conversation with the stepd-daddy and my wife and someone called the officer. people that didn't live another the house. that's what they do. they intervene. it cost him his life, i'm sorry. suicide by cop was my intention.

i ain't fit to live. >> the sheriff' deputy killed there was 36-year-old william durr. he was a two year veteran of the lincoln county sheriff's department and a four year veteran of the brookhaven department. next hour, i'll talk to the reporter who spoke to the suspect. now back to the first pulse question today. we're asking agree or disagree, jared kushner's security clearance should be pulled. here are the numbers for you. overall, 98% agree, 2% geeg. all age groups agree, although viewers under 35 agree a little bit less so. take a look at the graph of the political breakdown, republicans, democrats, independents, democrats a little more so. final numbers for you here look like this. 96% agreeing, 4% disagreeing. jared kushner's security clearance should be pulled. president trump at the white house after wrapping up nine

days overseas. he calls it a great success. we're asking the opinion -- do you have more confidence in president trump's foreign policy following his first foreign trip? go to pulse.msnbc.com/america.

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including germany. james mattis defends the president's relationship with nato. take a listen. >> do you have to convince him of how important nato is? >> we have had good talks about it, john up. in my international job interview with the president he brought up the questions about nato and my response was that i thought that if we didn't have nato that he would want to create it. because it's a defense of our values, it's a defense of democracy. he was very open to that. >> brings us to our second pulse question of the day. do you have more confidence in president trump's foreign policy following his first foreign trip? let us know by going to pulse.msnbc.com/america. i want to bring in kurt mills, foreign affairs reporter was news and world report and rebecca granfrom iris research. is there more confidence now in donald trump post trip? >> i mean, i think that the president's trip was for the

administration at least about saudi arabia. i think for the europeans it was about the paris climate accords and i think for the middle eastern allies i think it was about iran. i think that the first part of the trip was seen as going well. the second part of the trip was seen as having the slipups. al there was the leaks about the german car sales. so sort of a wash. >> a wash is what you're saying. rebecca, if we were to try to summarize what may have come from his trip not only to the middle east but then to europe more focus on isis and middle east conflict as was said by kurt. less on nato and less on europe. do we expect him to follow throw with these thematics? >> absolutely. it's not undersell what nato decided to do. nato will go in as a former alliance to fight in iraq and syria. nato members have been fighting there already. but it's huge to have nato there formally. it means they can take the awacs

radar planes down. clean up those and clean up the air refuelling tracks and nato added a new member and germany agreed to pay 2%. it's an "a" on nato and i see trump really sticking with it. he's clearly accelerated the anti-isis fight as mtis and dunford have told us, huge changes. the u.s. fors are up closer to the tactical fight and beginning to prep for the post combat aftermath. big things going on, accelerating the anti-isis fight. >> well, let's go back to europe if we can for a second, rebecca and it has been said on the ground for many months now that they cannot depend at least on the sidelines, they're not going to depend on the united states anymore. now we have angela merkel, calling her the globalist if you will in the free world. we have the news that the new french president macron is saying that his tough hand shake with mr. trump was a moment of truth and that it quote, wasn't

innocent. we're just learning that both of those pieces of information today, rebecca. does this show that then europe is saying we don't need the united states as much as we used to, giving up the leadership basically? >> in my opinion, i'm not shocked to see close french and german cooperation. this is partly about macron getting to know merkel as well. merkel has clearly crossed with the u.s. but also with britain over brexit. so yeah, europe has for a long time wanted to forge their own independent identity and security, be a little distinct from the u.s. and uk so no surprises there. definitely, awkward over the paris agreements. what will trump do? he's put off his decision. that's a sticky situation. but yes, part of this is just france and germany getting together and form -- forging their own identity. >> as we try to understand the focus and i'll move to other part of the trip and that was to the middle east, saudi arabia for instance, the president telling muslim leaders you remember this, they need to drive out the terrorists and

extremists. his words there. but we have seen no mention for example here of murders here in the united states. two men on a portland train who were trying to protect women from anti-muslim slurs. that just happening, right? do you expect he'll do more to bring this together, this idea that he was pushing forward in the middle east also here in the united states, which has not happened as of yet? >> let me first say, i don't know if i agree with that nato bit. the newest member, the president literally shoved that guy aside, the prime minister of montenegro. as to your question with the middle east, i don't know. there's a report out that the secretary of state rex tillerson isn't hosting a ramadan event that's a break of protocol and tradition in the last 20 years and the president is extremely concerned about radical islamic terrorism, or radical islamic extremism. even when he had prepared remarks in saudi arabia, that didn't include that phrase he

let it slip out. he said he was tired, et cetera. but that's clearly the priority. i don't know about nonislamic based terrorism as much. >> one word answer on what the president will say regarding the climate agreements. stay or leave? >> stay. >> rebecca, stay or leave? >> stay. >> kurt mills, rebecca grant, thank you so much. we have been asking you this moment, do you have more confidence in president trump's foreign policy following his first foreign trip? overall, you have been saying no. you do not have more confidence in president trump's foreign policy after the trip. and then we look at the political parties all parties saying no, independents a little less so. by education, all education groups saying no. those with a masters degree a little less so on that. the final number for you, 98% no, 2% yes. do you have more confidence in president trump's foreign policy

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what i'd like to hear from you is that every single thing that he is doing is geared towards returning us to these 3% growth figures. is that accurate? >> every single thing he's doing is geared toward getting us back to 3% growth. >> the major growth or -- or rather projected major growth along with the massive cuts that are planned.

the blue print makes good son some of the -- on some of the campaign promises. more for immigration enforcement and big cuts to social programs and foreign aid. but his budget is drawing fire from all sides including members of his own party. >> it perpetuates a myth that we can go out there and balance the budget without touching entitlements. it's not only a myth but frankly a lie. >> the democrats they're not happy either. bernie sanders went head to head with trump's budget chief. take a listen. >> the wealthiest family in america gets a $52 billion tax break as a result of the appeal of the estate tax. tell the american people why you think that's good when you cut medicaid and you cut programs for kids. >> we don't cut medicaid. >> there's the budget. trump's budget battle. just beginning as the pressure bearing down on his team's alleged connections to russia. that's increasing. which brings us to our third

pulse question for you. agree or disagree, new developments in the russia probe they will derail much of the domestic agenda. for more, i'm joined by darren soto from florida. representative, thank you for being here. one of the things that you and i and a lot of folks here do we watch the sunday shows. >> absolutely. >> and some are saying, you know, it is the -- is the budget already forgotten by the white house because they didn't push out any of what might be a typical barrage of numbers experts that would support this very budget. but we didn't see that today. why? >> well, i think because it was dead on arrival. but it also is a statement of their values. so we have to take it seriously. you know, this was a classic case of a reverse robin hood where they took trillions from the poor, from health care. to try to prop up tax cuts for the rich. more trickle down economics that

hasn't worked in the past and won't work in the future either. >> the claim is and question heard from mick mulvaney there, because of the tax cuts you will see increased gdp and the questions were very pointed. the focus is goi to be moving it to 3%. most thinkers though s that's not likely. >> well, we saw the cbo still keeping it at 2%. normally there's not much of a gap omb and cbo estimates but they're talking about fanciful numbers here when you have that big of a gap of 1%. it's just this idea that if you cut taxes you're suddenly going to have this robust growth when we know it's investment in things like nasa and nhi, investment in science research and ag research they're cutting. i think they need a more balanced approach. that's going to be the predominant push on the hill. >> how will you bring more balance to the budget?

what's your suggestion along with some of your democratic colleagues? >> i think we reduce the cuts. i think we look at the potential revenue which would be the carbon tax which would be in line in recognizing that the climate change exists. i think if we got back to the gas tax that we were able to develop infrastructure and actually bond out money so we could have $1 trillion infrastructure package, those would be helpful. i think we have to balance on both sides of it. this expectation that we're going to eliminate the deficit all at once, it sounds great. but it's going to lead to a reduction growth in a lot of the family members and a lot of our friends and a lot of folks across this nation, really getting a hardship at the end. >> you know, withll of this happening,ot only the domestic agenda as we were enumerating at the beginning of this, there's also the increased energy around the russian connection question. with that happening at such speed and such energy right now, is there any possibility of the

trump domestic agenda moving forward even in the first two years? >> well, i think with the budget you're seeing they won't get much movement in the 2017 omni bus was any example of that. we saw them after the fact. i was in our steering policy committee which helps with leader pelosi and we saw mulvaney asking questions after it was negotiated between the house and senate republican leaders. health care is stalled in the senate. if they don't get something done in july, they're in big trouble with timing it with the budget. then we have tax reform and infrastructure still in its infancy. and so i think the key is that right now, this has been a huge distraction for them. they'll come up pretty short as question get into the fall after the august break. >> you know, that line in the sand may be the debt ceiling

with cnbc and their sources saying july or august we could see running out of space. so this will all come to a head there. darren soto, thank you. >> thanks for having me. in just nine days, we'll know the candidates who will battle to succeed new jersey's governor chris christie. today, phil murray is getting a boost in his primary from former vice president joe biden. it's the highest level endorsement so far in the garden state primaries taking place on the 6th. murphy is being the front-runner. 50 to 25%. my colleague von hilliard is joining me from lin herself, new jersey. what are you hearing and hearing from voters? which are they -- what are they saying about joe biden about to appear? >> yeah, let's just set up the race. you said nine days away from now and phil murphy is being looked

at who's going to be the democratic governor candidate headed into the next november. but i want to give you an idea. phil murphy used to be a dnc finance chair. he served in germany under the obama administration. and joe biden took the amtrak over to delaware to be here this afternoon and he set the tone for where the democratic party is. looking ahead towards november there's just two gubernatorial races in the country, virginia and new jersey. while we're talking about u.s. house races in 2018, joe biden said here in new jersey the most important race that the country needs to pay attention to. he said it's over the next three years. i want to play you a sound bite from joe biden because he said this is where the democratic party needs to put its attention. >> a lot of people out there who are frightened. trumplayed on their fears. they're frightened. digitalization, moore's law, globalization, it's left a lot

of people behind. we haven't spoken enough to the fears and as pirations of the people we come from. >> richard, here there are about 1,200 very reliably democratic voters. but four years ago chris christie won this state and his governor's race by 22%. trump lost its though by 14%. we talked to one voter who said she voted for christie and voted for trump but she wants murphy to win. because on the case of infrastructure and education, here in this state, they have the opportunity, the democrats feel, to really begin to hammer home the message that it's more than just progressive issues. but also economic issues which is what biden focused on here this afternoon. >> all right, von hilliard with if very latest. thank you so much. back to our first -- not our first, but our third question of the day for pulse. we have been asking agree or disagree, new developments in the russian probe will derail much of trump's domestic agenda.

93% disagreeing to that, breaking it down by gender. both women and men agree. women more so. and then breaking it down by political party, democrats, independents and republicans all agree and independents less so there. the final numbers, 93% agreeing, new developments in the russia probe will derail much of the domestic agenda. we'll have another one to build the border wall with mexico. the federal government would have to seize priva property for public use. owners would be compensated but we'll hear from some families who say it's not fair and they're vowing to fight back. on that very question, on that very topic, you can cast your view. agree or disagree, the use of eminent domain to build president trump's border wall is an affront to property rights. log on to pulse.msnbc.com/america. these birds once affected by oil

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thanks for staying with us. it's no secret that president trump wants to build a wall along the u.s. southern border and his 2018 budget asks congress to shell out $2.6 billion for border security with $1.6 billion of that money going towards actual brick and mortar construction. what we have not heard much about what hands to the -- happens to the land owners whose properties are in the wall's proposed path? for the next question for you, we're asking agree or disagree, the use of eminent domain to build president trump's border wall is an affront to property rights. pulse.msnbc.com/america. let's bring in nbc digital reporter, marshall crook who spoke to land owners fighting to keep their land. >> repter: the rio grande river is the official border between texas and mexico, but the u.s. government doesn't own all of the border lands. most of the texas border is privately owned. constructing a continuous border wall means the federal

government must build through these private lands so the government uses eminent domain laws to take the land it needs. >> when somebody says we're going to build a wall regardless, we're going to take your land, regardless, that's a little bit too much. am i going to fight it, pardon many my language, hell yeah. that's what texans are for. >> reporter: mauricio and his sister garcia own a large ranch that's in the path of the wall. their property is south of laredo and has been in the family over 250 years. >> we are blessed to have this. wherever we walk around this area, we can actually feel the footsteps of our ancestors. it's hard to explain because you have to feel it. you have to grow up here. >> reporter: they fear that the federal government will claim eminent domain and build the wall right through their land. they risk being cut off from

ancestral homesteads and the family cemetery that overlooks the river. >> my dad is buried very close to the village where everything started. he died twoears ago. we can still feel it. >> a farm boy from south texas. born in the house. he was a marine during the second war. he fought in the island of iwo jima and can you just picture a wall on top of your relative? in this case being my father? my father would have to sacrifice twice. >> farther south in the rio grande valley the government has already told ben avie dez it will cease part of his ranch. though it's possible there's a gate allowing him to access whatever property remains between the wall and the river. >> i'm an old scout master. this is a place where i bring my

troop to camp almost every weekend. >> his ranch is undeveloped so in addition to losing land, he worries that constructing a wall will devastate local plant and animal life. >> it hurts me when i think of my grandchildren not being able to access this property where we're standing right now. >> show me a man who has no enemies and i'll show you a man who's never stood for [ bleep ]. >> reporter: up north in laredo, webb county sheriff and his department do their job while washington debates border security policy. >> you know, this is my job. i have been doing it for 35 years. this is my job, i know the area. you send somebody from upstate, they don't know anything about, you know, the terrain, how it looks or how -- other than maybe reading a story. >> reporter: based on his experience, the sheriff sees more value in a virtual wall over one made from concrete and

steel. >> if you get the right equipment, drones, cameras that can see at night, i mean, i think this will work. >> we were here before the u.s. was the u.s. the wall is not going to make sense. it doesn't make sense. >> this is our heritage. why would anybody want to destroy that? >> as i mentioned nbc news digital producer marshall crook is with us who shot the video we just watched and victor defrancesca from the university of texas, professor, with us. we'll start with you, marshall. what do they think is the next best step in terms of dialogue? what would be the best situation for that to happen? >> i mean, i was with them and they invited donald trump to come down and tour their property and take a look. i think they want any sort of participation. i think they want any sort of reasonable policymaker in washington to come and just recognize that there is a deep historical and cultural attachment to the property as well as their property rights.

they recognize an to be very clear they understand the need for border security. given their experience with the land, they just -- "a," they don't see the value as a valuable solution or "b," that anybody is listening to the solutions they could offer. >> you know, when we look at this very dynamic here, victoria, america stands for a lot of things. open economy, a free economy. ownership of property that many of those who come to this great country want. many of these individuals are generation zero, generation one or two or three. when the idea of eminent domain comes around, that is very much -- as we saw in the video here an emotional thing to happen to them based on that idea, right? >> it's incredibly emotional and i think marshall's video did such a good job of capturing that human element that many times gets lost in the debate in the rhetoric. so you take that human component, then you add it on to the practical economic one.

let's talk in donald trump business terms. building a wall is a bad return on investment. because as many folks will tell you, let's ask el chapo, you can build a wall and then build a tunnel right underneath it. a lot of undocumented persons come to this country legally and just overstay their visas. you also have a hurtful dynamic that's going to be generated between mexico and the united states. mexico being one of the u.s.'s greatest trading partners. the biggest for us here in texas so it's just nonsensical in terms of that. then you have that injury on top of that. it doesn't make sense. >> marshall, you interviewed a bunch of folks there. but if you were to put them all together, who are these folks if you had to break them down? >> i think they consider themselves americans first and foremost, but they're americans with a deep recognition of where they came from. i think look i was standing on the river -- the bank of the rio

grande river with noel and i asked him from where we're standing what does it feel like knowing your closest neighbor is across the river in another country. he said, they're not any neighbors, they're my relatives. he wasn't being literal, the river is where i came from, where i went fishing with my kids and my father. everyone came across this to care take property that is right up against their origin story so to speak. you know, i mean, he owns a small business in roma. you know, some folks live in san antonio and come visit, but they hold on to this because they see the value not just to themselves but for the people who came before them and they want to retain that. >> victoria, we have seen this happen in history before, you know that being a professor at ut. the transcontinental railroad is another example that eminent

domain was used throughout the connection of one coast to another. who do we look at -- how do we look at precedents to understand what happens here? >> sadly, i think this is highlighted again in the video, you can put up a fight as an individual and the courts will hear you out. but the case will ultimately probably fall on the side of the u.s. meaning that if a border wall really wants to be built, then congress approves those funds, more likely than not it will be built. i think the devil in the details here is what provisions will be given to these individuals. so a couple of eminent domain claims that were sent out were low balling the folks who owned the lands, so the lands were worth more excuse me, twice as much as what was asked for. so you have that. then there's also the question of, well, what will you do to allow me access to the property on the other side of the border? so is there just going to be a

big old concrete wall that's solid or are they going to allow gates or doors with combinations that can allow individuals to pass through their own property? so the eminent domain case is a tough one. it will eventually probably fall on the side of the u.s. government, but there are ways that folks can mitigate the effects of eminent domain which is so troublesome. >> very well said. great reporting, thank you both. >> thank you. still time to make your voice heard on the topic. agree or disagree, the use of eminent domain to build president trump's border wall is an affront to property rights. log on to pulse.msnbc.com/america. we've got results, next. we've done well in life, with help from our advisor, we made it through many market swings. sure we could travel, take it easy... but we've never been the type to just sit back... not when we've got so much more to give

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all right. we have been asking you in our final question agree or disagree, the use of eminent domain to build president trump's boarder wall is an affront to property rights? here is what you're saying overall. the numbers show 94% agreeing, and then we break it down by age. all age groups agree.

but viewers that are 18 to 34 a little bit less so. breaking it down by education, all education levels agree. although those with masters degrees and bachelor degrees disagree more. final scoreboard, 95% agreeing, 5% disagreeing. that the use of eminent domain to build president trump's border wall is an affront to property rights. thank you. coming up next, including surprising new remarks from german chancellor merkel about u.s./german relations following her meetings with president trump at the g7 summit. stick around. it's an important question you ask,

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