it's a new kind of network. xfinity mobile. it is 2:00 p.m. in the east, 11:00 p.m. in the west. our word of the day is confidence. mr. trump telling the "new york times" jared is doing a great job for the country and he has total confidence in him. president trump pushing back. new reports his son-in-law jared kushner trying to establish a secret back channel with russia. >> any time you can open lines of communication with anyone, whether they're good friends or not so good friends is a smart thing to do. >> you look for patterns and this is a clear pattern that's emerging. it's a pattern that shows a consistent effort to deceive. >> the president defending his son-in-law amid reports he tried to establish a secret back channel with russia. but is jared kushner being advised to lay low? plus, the war room now

reportedly inside the white house to deal with the growing crisis. also this hour, a warning from german chancellor angela merkel and why she says europe can't rely on the u.s. any more. trump delays a decision on the climate accord. we'll get information from bill nye, the science guy. first to the white house where we're hearing staffers are stunned by reporting over the weekend from the "washington post" that jared kushner tried to set up secret communications channels with the russian officials during the transition before donald trump was president. the president now standing by his son-in-law and right-hand man who is also facing scrutiny in the fbi russia investigation, trump telling the "new york times," quote, jared is doing a great job for the country. i have total confidence in him. he is respected virtually by everyone and is working on programs that will save the country billions of dollars, adding, in addition to that, and perhaps more importantly, he's a

very good person. we've got reporters covering all angles of the story for us. kristen welker at the white house for us, including glen thrush at the "new york times." kristen, what's going on behind the scenes? >> reporter: behind the scenes very different. we know that a number of staffers have suggested to jared that this is a good time to lay low. this is a lot of concern about the headlines. one person telling me they were speechless when they learned about the revelation that was reported in the "new york times," that kushner was trying to set up a back channel. there is no indication, though, ali, that the president thinks kushner should lay low. as you pointed out, he gave him that robust endorsement in the "new york times." right now kushner is very focused on his work. he is willing to cooperate with any investigation. he certainly has no plans to follow through with that. there will be a number of strategy sessions, though, in the coming days, in the coming weeks. we know the white house is setting up a war room to deal

with the controversy surrounding the russia probe so that they can manage some of these headlines in realtime and in short order. but, again, this isn't the headline the president wanted at the conclusion of his first foreign trip. jared kushner, his son-in-law, helped set up that foreign trip. they wanted the headlines to clearly only be positive. he did get a lot of positive headlines during that trip, but now he's come home to deal with this reality, ali. >> glen, your new reporting from this morning describes the scene, quote, as resentful trump staff members have long talked about jared island to describe the special status occupied by mr. kushner who, in their view, is given license to take on a vague portfolio without suffering the consequences of failure visited by the president on mere hirelings. we heard when the president liens on his staff, he's lately including jared kushner in that.

>> this is what my colleagues and i discovered in the course of reporting. jared had been largely immune from trump's vitriol. by the way, for people who don't really understand what it can be like in the oval office, donald trump is a yeller, folks. and he is somebody who employs, shall we say, the full range of new york real estate developer vocabulary in the course of his tirades. and usually jared kushner has been aloof from that. but kushner's sort of most favored nation status is eroding really quickly, and we are told this particular revelation, when it's piled onto a bunch of things that have happened over the last couple weeks, particularly kushner's sister essentially using her position to sell or to dangle visas, of all things, in exchange for chinese investment in properties in jersey city -- you can't make

this stuff up, by the way -- and jared kushner's insistence on going after the ban when the ban had sort of stabilized, this sort of put crosshairs on the president. we talked about jared island. this is really trump's island. there's only space for one island here, and i think jared is finding out very quickly that the president is the main guy. >> you don't get your own island in trump's island. kristen, the interesting thing to me, though, we've been talking about this war room that the white house is developing, this rapid response unit that can deal with media and deal with crises and lawyers and checking trump's tweets before he sends them out, but there's been some talk that jared would be in charge of that or at least leading that movement. >> reporter: when we first learned about the war room at the end of last week, you're absolutely right. jared kushner, reince priebus, steve bannon were going to head up that war room. will that change, that's the big question. we know it's certainly under discussion here at the white house.

we know the president is looking to bring more people into the fold in the war room, more top staffers to help deal with this growing crisis defense russia. again, ali, this speaks to whether the president is going to, in any way at any point, decide to diminish the role of jared kushner. at this point he hasn't. will this headline, will this story line change things? it remains an open question, but at least for now, again, publicly he's standing by him, ali. >> glen, when people think about this and they worry about whether kushner follows rules or has to follow rules, what's the bigger issue, that he's the president's son-in-law or that he's one in a series of unaccountable staffers to the president, something, by the way, that presidents have done for as long as i can remember? >> my answer is yes. i think the issue is jared kushner -- it isn't just jared kushner's relationship as a relative to the president, it's his approach to the job. the notion that kushner would be

involved in the day-to-day, hand-to-hand combat in the war room based on his previous track record, for instance, being on a skiing vacation during the first round of health care stuff, is laughable. he has set up his own insulated little world with his own public relations person. our reporting on friday, maggie and i, found there was an operational staffer who was in the office across from jared's in the west wing. that person was kicked out so jared's pr person could be placed there. and the other thing about the friday story with the post, white house staffers were totally blindsided. jared kushner, we are told, told the president and a few other people around them the communications staff wasn't read in, ail, and here's the kicker, they were happy not to be involved. i talked to two or three people in the west wing over the past 24 hours, and they say, we feel that the revelations in the original jared story are defensible, but our problem is we don't know what jared did. there could be 15 more

conversations and stories that come up the pike that we have no idea about. >> kristen, i know you and i talked about this in the last hour, but there are possibly changes coming to the white house press office amid some of these controversies. do we know that that's sort of imminent? >> reporter: we don't. and, remember, ali, we continue to sort of have these discussions about possible shake-ups every couple of weeks. we know the president is considering potentially expanding some roles, bringing new people into the fold. you could see deputy press secretarity sy tsarah huckabee sanders, for example, do more, you could see staffer gary cohn do more as well. we've seen cameos from them in the briefing room in recent weeks, and so far that's been effective. the other piece to look at, ali, is the fact the president is considering bringing back some of his former campaign staffers in the white house.

david bossi, for example, is someone who is eyeing. he is also eyeing corwin lewandowski as someone to play a bigger role outside the white house. i think it would be tough to come back into the fold because he does have some tensions with the trump family. but he's really looking at the big picture here and how he wants his messaging to evolve moving forward. >> i'm going to end this segment by paying homage to glen thrush and what he said earlier, you can't make this stuff up. thanks to both of you. joining me now, ned price, msnbc's national security analyst, former analyst of the cia and former director, former director and spokesperson for the state department. good to have you both here. thank you for being with us on memorial day. ned, i want to talk more about the "washington post" reporting, about kushner's back channel he tried to get with the russians. weird stuff. he talked about establishing a

special channel, allegedly, from the russian embassy so it would be more secret. homeland security secretary john kelly this weekend called it business as usual. listen with me. >> there's a lot of different ways to communicate back channel publicly with other countries. i don't see any big issue here relative to jared. any time you can open lines of communication with anyone, whether they're good friends or not so good friends, is a smart thing to do. >> that seems like a wildly overly simplistic view of dealing with an adversary. >> well, it absolutely is. look, secretary kelly and h.r. mcmaster, the national security adviser, they've hictched their wagon to trump, and more importantly, they've hitched their integrity to president trump. the rhetoric we've heard from both men doesn't stand the test. look, back channels within

government, within an administration are par for the course. the obama administration, for example, used them to begin the opening to cuba, and in the early stages the negotiations with iran over the nuclear deal. but what jared kushner is alleged to have done was not a back channel, it was a secret covert attempt -- >> working around government channels. >> exactly, by a private citizen to establish covert operations with a higher power. that is not a back channel. it is illegal, it is a crime, and it could certainly add up to espionage. >> former director of national intelligence james clapper had this to say about kushner and trump's team's interactions with russia. listen. >> my dashboard warning light was clearly on, and i think that was the case of all of us in the intelligence community, very concerned about the nature of these approaches to the russians. >> this is an unusual situation

because james clapper is not given to overstatement. he said, my dashboard warning light was blinking. at some point, what does donald trump have to do about this? you can't just have donald trump's people saying, no biggie, and everyone else saying, this is very unusual. >> this is fundamentally the problem we're facing as a country by having the ceo of a family business bringing his family members into government. this is more akin to how saudi arabia, a monarchy operates, which donald trump now has a great relationship with them where issues are managed by family members. it's very difficult for now the president to fire his son-in-law who he has trusted not only with his daughter but his grandchildren and also with managing major policy issues which jared has zero experience and ability to manage. >> you heard the conversation i was having with glen thrush earlier. there are two problems here, one is that jared kushner is a family member and that makes things difficult. another one is trump has

surrounded himself with these people who don't have to go through a vetting process and they're not accountable to anybody besides the president. >> actually, they do have to go through a vetting, which is problematic. they have a form they fill out with at least ten years of history that happened every place they lived. so jared kushner knowing he was directly tied to the president did not disclose meetings with russians, that he was starting to have covert meetings around. these are not things you forget and these are the operations you should be listing to get your security clearance. the accountability here would be to revoke his security clearance. >> jared kushner's lawyers sent a response to jared kushner's back channel, saying he has thousands of conversations with lots of people. he doesn't remember these particular ones. he would like to see references

to exactly when that occurred. is that likely he would be negotiating, potentially, with the russians for a back channel using the russian embassy as a conduit for communication to moscow and that would just drop off your radar? >> it seems like something that would be hard to forget. but look, here's the point. this administration, including during the transition, repeatedly used the excuse, oh, this was an oversight. we just forgot to list this on a form. this was not done out of malice, it was done out of omission. but here's the thing, the jared kushner story is qualitatively different. there is not an innocuous explanation for the attempts of a private citizen to establish a secret communications channel with a hostile power, a hostile government, moscow in this case. there is just no innocuous explanation for that and the administration really needs to come up with something better than it just slipped his mind. >> what happens next? you were involved in messaging at the state department and the white house.

the president is back. in some sense there may be an opportunity for a reset because he's been away for a while. we discussed the fact he might be changing staff around. but what actually, to make the american people feel better about this, what should they do now? >> he most certainly missed an opportunity by not engaging with u.s. press while on his trip. if this is supposed to be the big reset, he should have made a speech of some sort toward the end of the trip to say what he had accomplished directly, even if he didn't take questions. instead throughout the trip we saw u.s. media being blocked from having conversations with any officials on either side, the country or the united states, which left an essential vacuum for all of these leaks to be at the top of everyone's minds. it's going to be a real challenge for him going forward, particularly because he publicly will need to be defending his own family member at the expense of the national security of the country. >> all right. good to talk to both of you. thanks very much for being with us, ned price and nayyer haq.

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the latest developments. gabe, what do we know? >> hi, ali, good afternoon. tiger woods was arrested around 3:00 this morning in jupiter, florida. there's still a lot of questions surrounding the circumstances leading up to that arrest, and we reached out to a representative of tiger woods and have yet to hear back. but he was arrested around 3:00 a.m., released around 11:00 a.m. after posting bail. he's been charged with driving under the influence. we don't know what police say that his blood alcohol content was. the incident report is not being released today. we're told that it's a holiday so they expect to release it tomorrow. we also don't know the exact circumstances, again, of what led to that arrest. now, of course, ali, woods was a golf prodigy who was just 21 years old when he won his first major tournament in 1997 and he dominated pro golf for the better part of a decade. 14 major championships all before the age of 32. and, of course, in 2009-2010, he had that high-profile scandal

where he admitted infidelity and divorced from his wife. ho however, in a blog post he said he was anxious to get back to the game of golf after having a string of back surgeries. he said, unequivocally, i want to play professional golf again. ali, we're still waiting for more details about that arrest. tiger woods arrested this morning around 3:00 a.m. in jupiter, florida. he does own a home in jupiter island, but we don't have exact details of what led up to that arrest, ali. >> when these other problems occurred, he lost some sponsors, then he got some back. there are a number of sponsors he's got right now, nike, pga tour, monster energy. here's a screen full of some of them. have we heard anything from the sponsors yet? >> yeah, this story just breaking in the last few hours, ali. you see there, nike, monster energy, upper deck. we have not heard from any of those sponsors yet, but yes, as you mentioned, when he had his string of personal problems back

in 2009-2019, many backed away from him then. it will be interesting to see if more back away from him at this point. but again, we're still waiting for more information and also a statement from tiger woods himself. we have yet to hear his version of the events that led up to that arrest, ali. >> thanks very much. gabe gutierrez for us following the story of tiger woods. turning overseas to german chancellor angela merkel who is raising some eyebrows after comments she made that seemed to indicate a re-evaluation of the german meeting over the weekend. she said, we europeans must really take our fate into our own hands. we know we must fight for our future on our own. her relationship with donald trump has been frosty, to say the least, but are we supposed to read that the relationship is on the ropes? chris is editor for "the daily

beast." donald trump is actually not the first american president to complain that nato members don't pay their fair share, and that's a matter up for debate. but this is different. we haven't really heard from nato members that maybe the alliance isn't as strong as they think it is. >> reporter: well, you know, ali, i think one of the problems is that other presidents, including president obama, have said that nato's countries needed to pay -- needed to invest, in fact, about 2% of their gdp, at least, in defense, that that would be a good thing, that's what the united states wants, everybody would be carrying their own weight. what disturbs them here is that they think trump doesn't really understand what he's talking about, that when he's talking about it, he acts as if we're talking about past dues at mar-a-lago. that's not the case at all. they're talking about the issue is domestic defense spending for each of these countries, and that's just one thing in a long list where european leaders look at trump, they talk with trump, they meet with him as they did

in the g-7, and they come away thinking, he really has no clue or he is willfully ignorant about huge issues of the day, including and especially, climate change. >> chris, i want to ask you about domestic politics. there is an infamous moment from the 2016 campaign with donald trump. let's listen together. >> congratulations, great job. nobody knows the system better than me. which is why i alone can fix it. >> kind of remarkable, but what european voters haven't been liking is leaders who don't seem to be strong. merkel has an election coming up in september. is this just her talking tough so that germans can see that she's prepared to sort of be the de facto leader of nato if

america leaves? >> reporter: no, i think actually it's more sincere than that. i think there is a feeling that america has become very unreliable and capricious, or at least its president has become that way, and is that way. and i think there is a feeling that now, especially with the election of emmanuel ma crcron e in france, that europe has some new life being breathed into it. merkel is a little bit of the old guard, more than a little bit. but she's also a rock around which europe has been built. now we also have macron coming forward. he's only been in office two weeks, but already he's emerging as a superstar. his press conference today with vladimir putin in versailles, at the palace of versailles, was extraordinary. macron was completely in control through the whole thing, and putin looked like he wanted to disappear behind one of the curtains. >> now, speaking of macron being in control, one of the interactions from trump's foreign trip that got a lot of attention was that handshake with french president macron. he gave an interview with a

french newspaper yesterday kind of deciphering that moment. we're watching it on the screen right now, chris. tell us a bit about it. >> reporter: well, that was a photo op that he understood perfectly well in terms of its symbolism. he knew that trump was going to give him a firm handshake and test him in the handshake, a typical kind of country club ploy by the president of the united states. and he decided to give it right back to him. he gripped just as hard, he stared trump right in the eye, and what he told a reporter afterwards, which was reported yesterday, was there was nothing innocent about that at all on his part. he knew exactly what the symbolism was, and he played it knowing it had to be clear he was not going to back down on issues of principle with donald trump or anybody else. >> he said, one must show that you won't make small concessions, even symbolic ones. chris, always a pleasure to speak to you. thank you for joining us from paris. happy memorial day.

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half. a tragic accident played out sunday during new york's fleet week. a navy s.e.a.l. was killed after his parachute apparently malfunctioned during a demonstration near the statue of liberty. authorities say he landed in the hudson river and was immediately taken to a local hospital where he was pronounced dead. eight people including a sheriff's deputy were shot and killed in rural mississippi friday night. the shooting spree began when police responded to a domestic dispute involving 35-year-old william godbolt and his estranged wife. two people were shot dead and a deputy. here he is before being taken to prison. >> i was having a conversation with dani and her mama, my wife. suicide by cop was my intention. i don't want to live, not after what i done.

>> reporter: the sheriff's deputy killed was 36-year-old william derr who had served 11 years for the county. he leaves behind a wife and 11-year-old son. storms on the gulf coast and to the carolinas. people could be subject to flash flooding and even an isolated tornado. new developments in the united kingdom after last week's bo bombing at an ariana grande concert in manchester. police arrested another person after an attack in another raid. 15 have been arrested, 14 is will -- 14 are still in police custody to be questioned. lucy follows me with the latest on this investigation. lucy, manchester has lowered their terror level. what do we know about that? >> reporter: they lowered it from critical to severe, which means an attack is not imminent but still likely.

this investigation is still very much ongoing. police here in manchester have released photographs, saw him holding a large blue suitcase, i think you will be seeing it on the screen in a bit. this is significant. they have released this. they're asking the public tofor help. he is believed to have been seen in possession of this blue suitcase from may 17 to may 22nd. of course, the 18th is when he returned from libya. the 22nd is the night he committed this atrocious attack. they want to basically figure out where the public has seen him with the suitcase. there you see it on the screen right there. they know it's been in downtown manchester, they know it's been on a different road. they don't believe it contains explosives and they are stressing this is not the same bag he used the night he carried out the attack, but this is a key piece of evidence they're trying to get more information about to try to understand what exactly he did in those final days before that attack took place. but look, this is a very

difficult investigation. they have 13,000 hours of cctv footage to comb through for clues, 630 items of evidence and 21 different homes, locations raided, including the one this morning that resulted in the arrest that you mentioned, that 23-year-old suspect now one of 14 in custody. but also, ali, new questions emerging about what could have been done to prevent this attack. we are getting information from colleagues here in the u.k., other british media reporting that the mi-5, the domestic intelligence agencies, were perhaps even tipped off by salman abedi, warned about him in the months leading up to this attack. one report, which has not been confirmed by nbc news, even goes so far as to say the fbi may have tipped off the authorities here. one thing we can report that is a fact that mi-5, the domestic intelligence security agency, is launching an internal investigation into what more could have been done, whether they've missed any sort of red flags or warning signs. so there is going to be some

very difficult questions being asked of the government as the officials here head into an election. i should apologize to our viewers, there is some music taking place. we are, of course, at the site of the largest memorial here. people still flooding in on this holiday weekend as well to pay their respects. ali? >> kind of incredible as we've been following this story with you over the days just seeing that memorial behind you growing, the number of flowers and stuffed animals. when we fwirs started talking, you could see patches of ground behind you and it's just growing and growing. lucy, thank you for your coverage of this. lucy cavanaugh in manchester. white house is is going goi offensive, creating a war room to push back on the russia investigation. who is going to step up if jared kushner has to step back? we'll talk about that when we come back. ♪ nah. what else? what if we hire more sales reps? ♪ nah. what else?

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♪ everything your family touches sticks with them. make sure the germs they bring home don't stick around. use clorox disinfecting products. because no one kills germs better than clorox. back in washington it's a white house in crisis control. the president dweefending his son-in-law jared kushner after reports that kushner tried to create a secret back channel with russia before donald trump became president. kushner is being asked to lay low, but kushner's to-do list inside the white house isn't a short one, so who will step up to the plate if he has to diminish his role? i've got msnbc political an lils f -- analyst for the daily beast. dallas, let's start with you.

how likely do you think jared kushner's role will be diminished in light of these new revelations, regardless of whether they turn out to be true or false. is he going to get sidelined by them? >> i have to tell you, i don't know the answer to that and i don't put any stock into this. we have heard more rumors on cable television about shake-ups in the white house, more rumored shake-ups than a martini bar at a manhattan martini bar. it's ridiculous. there would necessarily not be anything wrong with him trying to establish some communications during a transition. i hear that -- >> dallas, dallas, absolutely -- there absolutely -- you can keep on yelling, dallas, my guys control the audio. there absolutely would be something wrong with a private citizen trying to establish communications with the russians, an adversarial group, before trump became president.

>> there wouldn't really -- >> a private citizen wouldn't depend on that. if you had russia that the united states couldn't monitor, that wouldn't be okay. >> i think we have to find out the details but i think it makes a lot of presumptions we haven't seen yet. >> if we did know that was the case, that would be wrong. >> let's get a couple things clear about this so-called back channel. first of all, it's quite true that there are back channels all the time in diplomacy, and there's even a history of incoming presidents establishing some connections with the states that they will be dealing with when he becomes president. so that's all okay. this wasn't a back channel as such. it was a secret way of communicating using russian gear at the russian consulate or

embassy to get around the u.s. government which was still controlled by barack obama in a way that if it turns out to be the case, dallas is quite right, we don't have the details yet, would be completely illegal. and on top of that, you have jared kushner who signed a form that said, you know, what have your contacts been, and he initially said, no contacts of any kind with the russians. then when the press reported that there was this meeting at trump tower, he said, oops, boo-boo, my bad. he amended the form and said, yes, i did have this meeting. then their lying became and continues to this day, but it was just a grin and grip, as they call it, like i can't remember all the people who came through trump tower. so even though that might be believable, if it was just a grin and grip. because there were a lot of people going in and out of trump tower, but they were discussing

a totally unprecedented, totally unorthodox, totally illegal russian secret channel. the idea that jared kushner, that that slipped his mind, is totally -- so jared kushner lied on that form. he lied when he said that he did not recall any contacts with the russians before the election. that was a flat out lie. >> so, dallas, let's go back to that. whether you believe jared kushner or you don't, does this discussion cause him to be sidelined because he's got a very big agenda with president trump. >> well, you know, it's an interesting question. i don't even know what that means. i don't know mr. kushner. i don't see him on television all the time. i mean, i heard the report earlier you had on the day saying that he would lay low. i don't really know what that means because he's not out giving the gettysburg address. >> that's a good point. let's talk about a few other duties he's been tasked with. brokering the peace in the middle east, reforming the

criminal justice system, reforming veteran care, tackling opioid epidemic, lee son to mexico and china, liaison to the muslim community. big list, would you agree? >> it's a big list. i'm sure other people work on some of those things as well. i just don't know the difference of laying low and not doing that job. he's not an ambassador. he's not out making large scale public statements -- >> which leads to another problem. at least with an ambassador, secretary of state, with the ambassador of the united nations, secretary of defense, we in the media can hold these folks to account. they don't let us in, they don't let us on trips, they don't let us in press conferences. with informal advisers, whether or not they are the president's son-in-law, and these advisers have been around in many administrations, this is the kind of discussion we get caught in. >> i don't have any problem. i think you and i might not agree on this. i don't have any problem with the president getting advice from whoever he wants.

jfk, who would have been 100 years old today and was a very good president, he got advice from his very good attorney general who happened to be his brother. in that case he had to be confirmed because he was attorney general, but he had theodore sorenson and other people in his white house who weren't confirmed. that's fine. you can't lie on your disclosure forms. there are rules. if you're going to be in government, you need to abide by those rules and it's quite clear jared kushner did not. that's just one of many what could be problems, and it's also quite clear that michael flynn didn't. he didn't tell the truth to the fbi, and that's why sally yates went over to the white house and said, you've got a big problem on your hands. >> political analyst, dallas, exec tiutive director of the no carolina republican party. what happens if president trump decides to pull out of the historic paris climate agreement? bill nye the science guy standing by to tell us about it. . -where? -san francisco.

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withdrawal is an all but done deal. progressives had been holding out hope that some could steer trump in their direction. "the new york times" reporting this weekend that even kushner reporting instead of keeping the united states in the paris climate accord has come to believe that it needs to be changed. with me, bill nye, the science guy. t set the scene. what happens next? >> well, two things. first of all, it is bad globally. we want the united states to be the world leader in technology that's will everybody able us to go from a fossil fuel economy to a renewable economy. and people in the community, they will tell that you there is enough renewable energy available to run the whole place right now, if we just changed

everything. and today is memorial day. and some disclosure, both of my brarnlts veterans of world war ii. they're both buried at arlington national cemetery. and they resolved a world conflict in five years. why couldn't we change the world's energy economy in five years? the other sort of subtle back fire effect that's possible, you know, california by way of example, is the world's sixth largest economy. bigger than france. so if california were to decide that it doesn't want to do business with other countries or government that's don't abide by the agreement, california could have an enormous influence on the automobile industry which would have an enormous influence on the u.s. economy. if european countries, asian countries decide that keeping this agreement whole is worthy and important thing to do, they could effectively impose tariffs

on the united states services, the united states software so. this could back fire in economic ways that i'm not sure anybody has really thought through. >> i appreciate you bringing that up. ted cruz has written an opinion piece saying america should withdraw from the paris agreement. his arguments are not dissimilar to the one donald trump has made. and fundamentally, they do sort of go to the argument that it kills jobs and creates unnecessary regulation that hampers profitability. how do you fight back in. >> with regard to mr. cruz, i completely disagree with him and he is notorious for cherry picking climate data. it is either ignorance of reading graphs or choosing a situation he doesn't wish to acknowledge. in the state of texas, whence mr. cruz hales, they now get 10% of their energy from the wind. this is in the oil patch. last weekend california reached a milestone where hit two-thirds

of its energy on a saturday, from renewable sources, which is remarkable. so with respect to mr. cruz, i completely disagree. i don't want to go too far into speaking to other people. >> maybe, there is a question here that might be a different way of saying it. what role does the united states have to play as a role model versus doing stuff good for the economy. and as you've just described, quite possibly economically beneficial? is any of our role symbolic or just we should be doing? >> both. first, we are the second largest producer of greenhouse gas emissions in the united states. and secondly, i think. more importantly, the united states is considered the world leader in technology. by way of technology, i give you nasa tochbl organization the land spacecraft on mars and so on and so on. you want the united states to be

the world leader in this. not to wait. furthermore, strictly economically, just talking about local jobs. you cannot outsource the erection of wind turbines. you can't outsource. it has to be done here. so conservative estimates give us at least 3 million new jobs in the energy sector. if you interview people in the coal industry, people who mine coal, they don't look at i as something they want their kids or grand kids to be doing. they want them to do something better for the environment that is more sustainable. although there is almost unlimited coal on earth, the really good easy to get to coal is going away. especially in areas like west virginia. so this is that norfolk's best interests. the people who advise the president, i'm hoping they will

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