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undergirting that makes it happen, it's just a giant knoll set. that is a real problem. >> that will be the last word. mtp daily starts now. >> i'm trying to picrehe putin family in the creme likre. that was a great visual. >> that's what i left you with. >> for it's tuesday, another long time trump confidant is part of the russia probe. tonight more new questions in the russia investigation as the white house fights charges of back channelling against jared kushner. >> your question assumes a lot of facts that are not substantiated. >> has russia already won the messaging war against the west? >> they are laughing at how easy it is and how our president is
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helping with the agenda. >> can you hear me now? why the gun lobby is taking legislation against hearing aids? this is mtp daily and it starts right now. >> good evening and welcome to "mtp daily" it feels like deja vu, we understand. welcome to another day of the russia investigation. creeping a bit closer to the president personally. not only includes a member of his family, his son in law, but a close associate is part of the probe. they confirmed that the senate and house intelligent want information from his personal lawyer, michael cohen who is a long time ally and trump defender. any time he has been needed to respond to anything political, it's michael cohen that has been the spokesperson for then donald trump even if tru himself
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wasn't. that's an unconfirmed dossier by christopher steel. he declined the congressional invitations to testify and the involvement not only brings the case closer to home, but could complicate his legal defense team since the lawyer he trusts is caught up in the storm. folk, the investigations places the administration in a permanent crisis mode. kushner allegedly set up a secret communications channel with the russians. they reported the idea was to have michael flynn discuss syria with russian officials. what has been interesting since the story broke, members of the white house have not used the syria talking point anymore. >> there is a lot of different ways to communicate back channels publicly with other countries. >> generally speaking about back channel communications, what that allows you to do is
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communicate in a discreet manner. >> they both discussed in general terms, they are an important part of diplomacy. >> do you dispute that that happened? >> your question presupposes facts that have not been confirmed. >> spicer's defense was stunning. it's a phrase we have used before, but he said the president is frustrated. he didn't offer counter narrative or explanation for why the channel had to exist. >> i am wondering if you can tell us whether the president knew at the time that jared kushner was seeking to eabli back channel communications to the russian government and if he didn't know at the time, when did he find out? >> that assumes a lot and mr. kushner's attorney said he volunteered to share what he knows about the meetings. >> did the president discuss it? >> i'm not going to get into it.
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>> your question assumes a lot of facts that are not substantiate and they are so far being leaked? >> does he approve of the action? >> you are asking if he approves of a non-confirmed action. >> your story is wrong, but i'm not going to tell you what part is right. in the case of kushner, the shifting defenses are leaving the impression of wrong-doing, period. russia seems to prevent the administration from getting anything else done. rumor, leaks and shake-ups consuming it seems like every news cycle. the communications director officially made it public that he is out. the president seems to know it. he called for an end to legislative filibuster because he is desperate to see something get done. the u.s. senate should switch to 51 votes immediately and get health care and tax cuts approved. that seems like a pipe dream and he has the ability to get it with 51 votes.
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his issue there is with senate republicans. we have a new development in the investigation. every single day and there is no sign that that drip, drip, drip will let up any time soon. chief of staff for president bush, welcome back to the show. >> good to be with you. thank you for having me. >> crisis managen 101 says get the facts out. that is not what is practiced today with jared kushner and you saw to me was a painful moment with sean spicer that was decrying what he said was wrong information and not providing corrections from their point of view. trying to ignore it. how does that help their cause? >> sean has a tough job. first of all, now that there is a special council, it's right for the white house to say we are not going to comment on any of this, but let the special
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council do their work and we will cooperate and see where it goes, but we have a job to do. the discipline at the white house should not be to answer the questions on this russia investigation now that there is a special council. let them find the answers and don't get into the he said she said let the facts go where they go. stay down and do your job. >> you are giving an operational view of what the world used to look like. this is not how the white house operates and not how the president operates. they put in a horrible position when he is rapting about sources and retweets based on one anonymous source that seems to back up this narrative about syria and a back channel. the fact is if the president is not going to take the advice
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they said, you can't eect the staff to dothat >> i agree with that. the president should not be tweeting about things that shawn is going to have to comment about where shawn will be told make no comment. if the president says something, yes, it is credible and the white house would be expected to comment on what the president said. i listen to that press briefing that sean gave and i ached for him. but it is what it is. i think that the discipline at the white house is more important today than almost ever. have the discipline to do your job and don't comment about the job that everybody else is doing. don't comment about the jobs that people did in the past. focus on the job on the day and try to do that and keep your head down and focus. stay in your lane. don't leak. the leaks have got to come to an end at the white house ask see what happens. >> it's out of your control now.
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>> that seems a bit holly an pollyannaish. you are nervous about what's going on here and nervous about the white house, but you have some work you would like to see get done on capitol hill. how do you function when you don't have the white house as a bully pulpit? >> first of all, i hope that the white house is reaching out to every republican senator and saying how can we help you? how can we demonstrate that we are working in concert? it should come from the white house. it can be back chanl. en that would be ok. we understand that the white house is not helping you right now. how can we help you? if the white house were to do that, the senators would start to believe that maybe the white house will help them when it comes to doing the top job of finding a solution to a
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legislative challenge. many solutions have to be found in the senate right now. >> let me ask you about this. >> the job is to reach out to the senators and saying look, i put you in an awkward position. believe me, i don't want to be in the awkward position. let's work and get something done. this should be sympathy and empathy coming from the white house. >> again, those are things that i think in the alternative universe we live in, you would have that. i don't know about this one. let me ask you this. the war room idea people talked about and modelling it after the clinton folks did it. given what we have talked about with the lack of discipline and the president's own twitter feed, do you think it's a good idea having this war room inside the gates or better off outside those gates? >> i think it's better outside the gates and done by the lawyers and the team that is not part of the team responsible for helping the president not only
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the nation, but the world. a war room in the white house implies it's a white house job. this is not a white house job today. this is a job of a special prosecutor and a special council trying to discover if there were problems and what the nature of the problems were and was there anything illegal done? we don't the answers to any of those questions and things look ba and we don't know all the facts and shouldn't know all the faxes. right now they should be in a lane that goes to the special council and don't leak about them whether you are in the intelligence or at the white house. help bob mueller do his job and let the white house do their job. i don't think i would have a war room in the white house around this topic of the russian investigation. >> all right, andy. we will see how much of their advice they take from you. >> not much. >> fair enough. i appreciate you coming on and sharing your views. let me bring in tonight's panel.
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hugh hewitt. i will start with you because you heard and i felt like i was in another world under normal political circumstances and all the advice he gave, he wouldn't have had to give that advice. political practitioners 101 would be following that. they are acting guilty in the way they are dealing with kushner. >> they are acting inexperienced. i don't believe they believe they are guilty, but they believe themselves to be persecuted. they need to put points on the board in congress and go back and work on legislation and not respond to that which they cannot control which is the mueller investigation. sit down with ryan and connell and say put points on the board. we have 15 vacancievacancies. put some nominations. do some of the normal blocking and tackling of governing a
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get out of crisis mode. >> your beat is in many ways the substance of what they are trying to get done. you are not normally covering the characters. you are trying to get at substance. what point can they get? >> andy said this is not a white house problem except it is a white house problem. when i talked to republicans and people interested in poverty and housing legislation, they want to get something done, but they have a president who is continuing to tweet things being handled by the special prosecutor. this is being handled by an outside bruin and we will lead them do their job and he said i won't confirm it and i won't give you the facts. the white house is in crisis mode and they are not handling it very well. republicans i have talked to are frustrated they are not getting anything done. this is the moment where they should be able to. >> this is the window. >> not saying anything is not
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tenable. we are at a different place in our politics with this investigation. 101 here, you have to get out the facts and you have to get in front of a narrative. i don't know what their narrative is right now. that's unbelievable that all this time you have a press secretary saying i don't want to talk about it. you can't do that in washington. it gets crazier. the president's new numbers, he is plus 20 points under water in honesty. every time they stand up and sort of say we don't want to talk about this, the hole gets deeper and deeper. they are in a bad place. you have a member of the white house staff who went out on the campaign. russia has not come into the white house outside of jarrett. many were not on the campaign. it hasn't touched kellyanne and bannon and most of it happened before they came in. you get the sense that the staff is frustrated because they don't
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know the full story? >> a senior staffer on saturday night believe they had a very, very good trip. i do believe that crisis will set in if reince priebus has access to the tips and i believe that would be a crisis point where people flee the show. >> is that mostly because reince seated the place he was? that blows up washington. >> that are blows up washington. >> you give them more. >> he said on the show today. we have a real crisis going on. we ought to be focused on that and the legislative and an lytics. not on the russia probe. that's mr. muller's. he doesn't trust the people he doesn't know including hr
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mcmaster. how concerned are you. that continues. i'm a democrat, but i pray priebus doesn't leave. it will be disastrous for the white house. we will see the white house and that's not good for any american especially low with the troubles brewing overseas. i am rooting for this white house and i'm a democrat. >> it does feel like it comes down to does donald trump have the ability to compartmentalize it or not. >> as a rr79 who covered him for more than a year now, there is no way he will stop tweeting and talking about russia and stop feeling the siege. he will take it super personal. they are out to get me and they are treating me unfairly and look at how terrible washington is treating me. that is the narrative coming out of the white house. that's not how presidents are supposed to act. i talked to so many people who want to pass legislation. the republicans for years had a
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laundry list of things they want to get done. people need jobs and don't like obamacare and i was just out in rural mississippi riding around with people with no electricity. they need legislation and that is not happening right now. >> do you understand the mote vagds behind the tweet with 51 votes that is the case? or was it him grasping to show i want to pivot? >> lots of people on the left wanted the legislative veto and the filibuster to go. many people on the right wanted to go. it's not going anywhere. it's gone for personnel. harry reid. >> it is gone. technically it is. >> you can move through on reconciliation a lot, but you can't gain say the fact that with 15 circuit court judge vacancies and the margin and you haven't moved those names and it
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doesn't add up. what's more important and i top the go back to that, a lot of people are waiting for a lot of things. they have different constituencies. they have to move the ball forward. those people want a health care replacement bill. some of the people in california want a corporate tax cut. immediately these are thing that is doable with 51 votes and they have to focus and execute. >> we are going to pause here. you guys are sticking around for the rest of the hour. why russia could be winning the messaging war against the west and the standings on the world stage. stay with me, mr. parker. when a critical patient is far from the hospital, the hospital must come to the patient. stay with me, mr. parker. the at&t network is helping first responders connect with medical teams in near real time... stay with me, mr. parker. ...saving time when it matters most.
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>> the paris deal will cost our country another $5.3 trillion over a period of time. we will cancel this deal so that our companies can compete. >> four months in, he has not pulled out of the agreement. even though the others d he said i will make my final accord here in the united states. he said president trump was wide open on the issue of whether to stay in or get out. they reported that the president cold conphi dafidants and if prt trump wanted to stay in, he would have announced it while he was in europe where it would have been well received.
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>> how much of a threat to global security do you consider vladimir putin. >> more so than isis. isis can do terrible things and i worry about what is happening with the muslim faith, but it's the russians who are trying and tried to destroy the fundamental of democracy and that is to change the out come of an earn election. >> that was strong language from arizona senator john mccain talking with an australian tv station about the threat posed by russia's president, vladimir putin and the fallout to europe. is russia starting to win on foreign policy? german intelligence said they do not need america's help with safeguarding germany's elections alleging they have a counter
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hacking operation and there is not a lot of trust in the trump administration when it comes to the elections. angela merkel calls the days when europe can count on others over to a certain extent referrintohe uk and the united states. eupeans must take our fate into our own hands. after describing the tense hand shake, the french president lumped president trump into the category of the presidents of turkey and russia. they see it as a balance of power. he delays the paris climate accord. russia would applaud this as they relish in discontent and discord. joining me now, contributor and former ambassador of russia, micha michael mcfall. this question would preach to your choir, but given what the
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president and the message he sent to allies and what he didn't say and things like that. no matter your view, i assume they are happy with the u.s.'s stance when it comes to the u.s. and europe. >> yes. it's pretty matter of fact. these are our clubs, remember. nato and the g-7. these are our communities and the western world. the result of this trip is that there is discord and disarray in the clubs. nothing to be better for mr. putin. the bar was low in terms of unity. and everyone wanted to say a few comforting things and the fact that he did not is a victory for
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the russians. >> is there any part of this if you are angela merkel or therer may and you are not happy about things and you know long-term, maybe not. are they no longer making the bet that post trump, the u.s. is still going to be the most important ally? this is not the first time that europeans criticized american presidents. you go back to the 1980s and lots of them said critical things about ronald reagan and angela merkel is running for office in an election year. it's easy and convenient and important for voters to hear president trump. third, nobody should count america out. we have been through these periods before in our history. we have come back. it would be premature to say
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this is the beginning of the end with the nato alliance. that said, people are nervous in europe because the president seems so disinterested in things that have been rock bed democrat and republican principals about american foreign policy for 70 years. he represents a radical departure as an individual and i think in the long-term america will be a part of the g-7 and we will repair these relationships. >> is this tough love against nato and could they say you know what, president trump doesn't seem that interested in nato anyway and he will not appreciate it so forget it. every country for themselves. that seemed to be the message that angela merkel was saying which i thought, boy, there is a part of me that thinks that's music to donald trump's ears because he believes it should be every country for themselves.
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>> a, if the president believes that, he is wrong. when is it every in any country's interest to not have allies? i beg him to tell me that period where it was better to go it alone. simple historic facts when we went to afghanistan, they went in with us. nato soldiers from nato countries died in afghanistan to fight our common enemy. let's remember that when we are debating about gdp and 1.5 versus 1.7. secondly, almost two dozen countries increased military spending last year. they are on the right track to maic it to the 2%. i don't think it helps them domestically to be hechtered about that. you are better off to show love and say thank you for being on track and we look forward to you meeting targets. >> have you participated in a
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back channel with russia? >> i participated in developing -- i don't like the word back channel because back channel infers a secret or nongovernmental, but we hav established channels of communications with the russians, absolutely. >> when you establish the channels, is it business to business or academic or what are you describing? >> i think i know what instance you are talking about. let's talk about how we didn't do it. during the obama transition, i was in charge of russia. we had no contact with any of them. not anybody. we were focused on putting together our national security team. bringing people to the nfc and hiring a secretary for european
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affairs. number two, i never have heard of anybody saying we need a back channel and make it so secret that i want to use the russian communication systems to do that. that's very odd to me. number three, i know him. he is not an abstract figure. i knew him. >> sergei is the second person that jared kushner reportedly met with. we don't have full denial with the white house. that's who he is. go ahead, sir. >> thank you for adding those footnotes. again, i can imagine other people in moscow who you might want to reach out to establish some kind of communications. he would not be on my list. given his job. he is not. >> if you are a real estate developer running a company, is he somebody you reach out to?
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>> because i'm not an expert on real estate development, i'm not at liberty to comment on that, but he wouldn't be the guy that i would want to talk to to talk about syria or iran or counter terrorism. in other words, the interests of america. he is not the right guy. there must be another explanation to this alleged and you pointed out this alleged meeting that they have. >> ambassador, as always thank you for coming on and sharing your views and help us educate us a little bit. still ahead, the mayor who was working to change the image of his city's southern heritage and not everyone is happy about it. ? break through your allergies. try new flonase sensimist allergy relief instead of allergy pills. it's more complete allergy relief in a gentle mist experience you'll barely feel. using unique mistpro technology, new flonase sensimist delivers a gentle mist to help block six key inflammatory substances that cause your symptoms. most allergy pills only block one.
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. welcome back. last week the city of new orleans finished the controversial process of removing four confederate era statues from public space around the city. as the final statue came down, mayor mitch landrieu spoke about why h believed it was time for them to be moved. in a speechiew and read by hundreds of thousands across the country it went viral as a text. the mayor offered a look at race relations as far as he would use it in his city. >> another friend asked me to consider the four monults from the perspective of an african american mother or father trying to explain why robert e. lee sat on top of our city. can you do it? can you do it? can you look into the eyes of this young girl and convince her
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that robert e. lee is there to encourage her? >> the move was not without protests. the first three were removed because of death threats of crews doing the work. i spoke to the mayor and began by asking why this was an important speech for him to give at this moment. >> really it was a speech to the people of new orleans. we are getting ready to celebrate our 300th anniversary and coming off of the worst man-made natural disaster that any city has gone through. as we began preparing for the anniversary, i began asking the people of the city of new orleans, does the city reflect who we are as a people? as we rebuilt or schools and hospitals and rebuilt our airport, those monuments that sit on the most prominant spaces sat out in a way that doesn't reflect the true history. the speech was designed to get them to think about that and to give them the context of why i thought it was a good idea to take them down.
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>> obviously the statues have been the big slic move you made. there are a lot of streets and buildings and a lot of confederate symbols throughout the city. what is your plan on that? >> actually they are not that many. these four monuments were put up for a purpose at a specific time for a specific message. these were the ones that i thought that fit into the category of things that should be remembered and not be revered. i will leave it to future mayors. i have 321 days left and rerebuirerbuilt the entire city and now i hope that this provides a framework so that the people who come after us have an opportunity for the city to take place where it should be with one of the great countries in the world. >> you draw a line between the symbols and those of american
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historical figure who is were slave owners? >> i think there is. this is worthy of discussion. historians can debate this all the time about how far you go back and where you begin and end. it's a discussion we should have. some people say oh, my gosh, i don't know where it will lead and let's not have the talk. that's wrong. on the issue of race, we are going through a painful time in this country. you have to deal with it and work through it. that's what communities should do. on a community by community basis, this was directed to the people of new orleans. in some issues in a narrow way, this was a property dispute. the people of new orleans have a right to determine what goes on their public space. every community needs to walk through this. it's not just abouthe monuments. if we take down the monuments and don't take away the attitude that allowed them to stay there, we wouldn't have done much as a country. the people will use this as an opportunity to reach into the past and tell the history and
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prepare in a way that makes sense. >> do you believe folks that have been arguing and protesting them among the arguments and hey, you don't erase history, but you acknowledge it and use it as a teaching moment. those folks that have been fighting to keep them up, does that make them racist? >> i don't think. i don't think anybody has anything to feel guilty about. people have a lot of reasons why they do things. we come to the issue of race in a different way. there is a reasonable argument to be made. if the city has only a couple of wonderful spaces, they ought to reflect the history of new orleans and not just of four-year and that makes us feel good as a people. >> some of the folks that led this movement that pushed the decisions made to remove the folks that take them down and
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have him on the list. >> i think they are wrong. they led the battle of new orleans and saved the city of new orleans ase know it. i thinke is being honored at the right place for the right reason. this is not a revision of his life and ought to declare he was a wonderful human being. i would argue the other side of the case as it relates to that statue. every community should go through how they adorn the cities and make the decisions based on what they think is right. >> there have been people trying to examine the other motivations or your political future based on this and one of the analysis said if mitch landrieu wants to
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run state-wide again, he will never be able to do it. his decision while popular in the city is unpopular in the state. this is a long winded way of me asking, there is a divicive move to many southerners. what do you say to them? that this is divide and has become more polarizing. >> first of all, i didn't start the civil war and didn't start the racial divide this country had. i simply recognized for the people that we still have it and the monuments that were in place were really signs of oppression for 67% of my city that is forced to walk by them. i found that morally offensive. it didn't make sense. this didn't have to do with politics. what a silly political decision to make for a politician to take on an issue he knows most of the people disagree with. >> have you thought of the speculation that said mitch landrieu, maybe he can run for
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presidt in 2020. >> nobody who is a dear friend would say that to you. it's nice that people would recognize the work they have done. i don't intend to run for president. that is speculation that you talk about all the time, but this was for the city of new orleans and the people. i hope that this city that i love so dearly and unconditionally use it so we can heal and be one people and reflect the totality of our history. >> you can watch my entire interview on meet et pres-- "me the press".com. a new legislation about hearing aids. the lobster and shrimp you love are teaming up in so many new ways. like new coastal lobster and shrimp, with a lobster tail with butter and herbs, sweet, smoky bbq red shrimp, and shrimp crusted with...get this...cape cod kettle chips. or try lobster and shrimp overboard. a dish this good... makes you this hungry.
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this -- >> courageous. i praise governor haley when she came out on this. it's not a par son thing to me. he has taken his integrity. let's be clear, chuck. this kills any chance of him -- running statewide. so, he acted sort of on his integrity and what he thought was right and we need more politicians doing that. >> i think he spoke to a moment where we're having this conversation, i would say nationally, what is america, who are we going to be. we obviously have a president who says make america great again. that slogan means a lot of things to a lot of people. what mitch landry was saying is we can't go and somehow look at the past, look at slavery and look at racial division and say there were some good people in this, we should still have on our courthouse steps. i think this is courageous. i think polally i terms of the nation, in terms of the democric party, they need people that are going to stand up andsay, look, this is what i think even if it's not popular. >> did i strike the right balance, do you think? >> i do. i think it will be an issue in the virginia governor's race with the confederate soldier who
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stands in the middle of alexandre a, virginia. i think it will be the next beach front. >> do you think in the primary it will? >> yes. >> i want to go to europe a little bit and more on the substance here, and that is is fracturing before our eyes, is donald trump contributing to it, is vladimir putin contributing to it? what is happening in this moment, how could you not read it as everything that is exactly what putin would want? hugh, you watch this guy -- >> i watched the debate last night with jeremy paxton moderator, theresa may did a wonderful job, she's a terrific prime minister. there is a problem at the heart of it which is that most of great britain didn't want to leave upon reflection, but they are leaving. therefore, there is a break up in europe underway, not the post war order. merkel did not help things yesterday on our me monmorial d chiding americans for lack of support for her country.
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there is great tension in the alliance. >> well, i think when you look at what the president has done, it's hard to see that our influence isn't eroding. i think when you're democrat or republican, for decades american presidents have said it's important for us to have a leadership role in europe. it is in our best interest, in fact, to be a part of europe and leading europe. with this pull back, it doesn't make us safer. when merkel says, we have to go out on our own, we can't depend on americans, i think that's a slap in the face to decades of american diplomacy and what americans have said. you know what? we need a leadership role in europe because it makes us safer. >> i think -- i just came back from paris a few weeks ago and i think about how much europe is changing and how much that is influencing people, the way people think. i talked to someone there who is kind of into terrorism and into fighting it there, and he was talking to me about the idea that they have this problem where you can kind of go to all these different countries. you can maybe set off something
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in paris and be in a completely different country within hours. and paris is trying to figure out how do we maintain open borders, how do we have this? all of a sudden it's changing society where we need to figure out how to fight these things better. it is a weird dynamic there. i think in some ways it's what's happening in america. america is changing and we're trying to figure out who should be here. >> it seems this is where europe is sort of in conflict with itself. if they're going to deal with this problem, they have to work together. but right now they're at odds on everything. they're at odds on the russia thing, whether it's a police action or a military issue and there is a split on that in europe. >> you can't throw down against great britain on day one and demand $100 billion and a hard brexit and on day two try to get britain to encourage donald trump to stay in the paris agreement along with -- you can't have it both ways if you're angela merkel. she's the most important person in europe.
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she has to play the role of being both an american ally and -- >> in her defense, the president is not making it easy. >> i think the preside spoke for america. i do not believe the paris agreement is in our best interest. >> i'm not talking about paris. i'm talking about this trashing of germany. >> again, she started that yesterday and i think the president's remarks this morning were -- >> it doesn't make us safer, it does not make us safer. i know we're wrapping. >> we are wrapping. [ laughter ] >> he's the good citizen here as always. women follow directions better than men. all right, that's all. thank you guys. after the break, check. please, we'll be right back. think again.
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well, in case you missed it, it's national spelling bee week. that's special time of year when a third grader can end up on espn on the same day as lebron. in honor of the spelling bee, google trend mapped america's most misspelled words by state. in case you missed it, this map is rife with multiple layers of irony. iowa, the first in the nation, created its own political vakumevacuum despite the fact herbert hoover has a library. they can get mocked by a single gaff, the word diarrhea trips up new hampshire. five states misspelled beautiful regularly. no wonder america the beautiful is not our national anthem.
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apparently in d.c. we can't spell ninety correctly. neither can google. google had to reissue the map three different times before they corrected all their corrections, but there was one misspelling we were sure had to be the mistake but stayed the same in all three versions of the map. according to google, people am wisconsin can't spell wisconsin. in case you missed it, everyone makes mistakes, even google. i'll tell you everyone else who can spell wisconsin. for the record with greta starts right now, and she can spell wisconsin. i grant you that. >> indeed i can. that's probably the only state i can spell. thank you, chuck. we have breaking news moments ago, the name of another surfacing in the russia probe. nbc news is confirming they are asking for campaign aide boris epstein. this news breaking just hours as after we learn president trump's long-time personal lawyer michael

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