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good morning everybody. if you're just joining us, i'm yasmin vossoughian at msnbc world headquarters in new york. it is 9:00 in the east, 6:00 out west. here is what's happening. russian president vladimir putin now suggesting russia has been framed as the perpetrator who meddled in the u.s. election. here is a clip from the nbc exclusive sit-down interview with my colleague megyn kelly airing on her two show tomorrow night. take a listen. >> translator: hackers can be anywhere. they can be in russia, in asia, even in america, latin america. they can even be hackers, by the way, in the united states.

very skillfully and professionally shifted the blame, as we say, on to russia. >> much more on that. later today, demonstrations in more than 130 cities here in the u.s. and around the world ramp up calls for an independent investigation into russia's meddling into the u.s. election and its ties to the trump campaign. you're looking at a live picture there. also new today, this headline in "the new york times," "trump appears unlikely to hinter comey's testimony about russia inquir inquiry. mr. trump wanted mr. comey to testify because the president had nothing to hide and wanted mr. comey's statements to be publicly aired. let's go to kelly o'donnell. good to talk to you. fired fbi director james comey returning to the capitol hill on thursday to make what could be blockbuster testimony in that probe.

senat senator lindsay gam calling his testimony potentially a, quote, hit job. >> reporter: politically there are challenges from republicans who are concerned about how volatile this could be. of course, james comey has been requested by the senate intelligence committee to come forward. it's not like he's holding a news conference. he's being compelled to come forward. he was cleared to testify by robert mueller who is now the special counsel investigating the russia probe in all its many facets. it's expected comey will talk about what he knew at the time, what his interactions with the president specifically were and whether he felt any pressure to try to shift or change or adjust the investigation in some way because of the white house. comey had already testified on capitol hill prior to being fired and said he felt no politica pressure. but republicans are concerned that this has become so high profile, that it will ultimately be politically so negative for

the trump white house. the trup white house in the past has said they want the story to get out. they want the investigation to be concluded, they want to move on. they've already walled off questions about russia from the briefing room, referring everything to the president's outside legal counsel in new york and they are trying to shut it down. but they do have one more tool at their disposal, the possibility of using executive privilege which has to meet certain requirements. it's unclear the comey situation could rise to that level. there could be a way the white house could try to take a step to block comey's testimony and at least in this setting keep him quiet. president trump and james comey, the fbi director he fired, could be headed for a new power struggle this week. comey is set to go public on thursday about the russia investigation, but the white house is not ruling out a move that could block comey from testifying on capitol hill by

claiming an executive branch privilege that protects the privacy of a president's conversations with senior officials. in a new letter, democratic lawmakers warn the white house, any assertion of privilege by the president would be seen as an effort to obstruct the truth. that preemptive strike came after white house officials including press secretary sean spicer said legal options are on the table. >> i think obviously it's got to be reviewed. >> that's not a no? >> i have not spoken to counsel yet. i don't know what they're -- how they're going to respond. >> reporter: getting answers proved difficult on another issue. >> thank you very much, everybody. this is slightly less controversial than yesterday. >> reporter: after president trump broke with nation ars round the world over climate change. temperatures rose in the briefing room. epa administrator scott pruitt and the press secretary deflected all questions, and the president's own view on climate change after candidate trump

mocked the science. >> does the president believe today that climate change is a hoax? >> yes or no. does the president believe climate change is real? >> what does the president actually believe about climate change? does he still believe it's a hoax? >> reporter: neither pruitt or spicer had any answer. >> i have not had an opportunity to have that discussion. >> reporter: back to the issue of executive privilege. this would be something that because there are two separate branches of government with congress and the executive branch, that the white house would have to assert this claim and make a case that comey's conversations with the president need to be protected? a real complication to that is that the president in interviews and on twitter has talked about his conversations with comey, and comey has already testified on a number of matters relating to his work as fbi director. that could make this a very tough sell. that's just the legal part of it. politically it could be very damaging to try to stop comey from testifying. now, other presidents including

president obama had at times exerted this privilege when they wanted to prevent testimony that they thought would reveal internal communications. typically it's before a prime witness like this is set to testify, it's something that's done in advance to try to set limitations for what the testimony could or might be. this is so high profile, it makes the notion of executive privilege, while possible, much harder to do. yasmin? >> i think if you were to invoke that executive privilege, a lot of people would be asking what exactly are you hiding? kelly o'donnell, thank you. want to bring in martin o'malley, former governor. i want to talk about the political fallout for this climate accord decision. what's worse for the environment here? is it the progression or lack thereof aroun the environment or our standing around the world?

>> i think ts presidential withdrawal is indefensible both from a moral standpoint but also an economic and jobs standpoint. we heard the mayor of pittsburgh pipe up and say, look, man, we're remaking our economy, we're korea ating green jobs. we know there's more opportunity to be gained from seizing climate as a job creation opportunity than there is to deny it. that's what you see happening. yasmin, i don't want to make light of the shameful withdrawal from the global climate accord by president trump, but the truth is, if you look at the progress in the most recent years, it's from states, states like maryland, california. it's cities passing green building codes. it's states like my own that just last month under a different governor green-lighted the largest wind farm development in the atlantic. so look, the global investment market, half of that money, of

the $600 billion went into renewable energy. that's $300 billion into renewable energy. the truth is the laws of physics are permanent. donald trump's presidency is not. this will pass. but in the meantime, states and cities need to lead the way. >> how much do you think that this is a political move by the president? do you think he's doing this to check off president obama's initiatives, turn them back one by one, or do you think there's anything to that? >> donald trump's whole m.o. is politics of fear, fear of the future, fear that these other people are stealing your greatness. part of that fear is to tell people that we can't have clean air and clean water for our children without that costing us jobs. but if you actually look at the numbers, if you look at the business case, solar today in the united states actually

creates and has more americans employed by all of oil and natural gas extraction. in the state of california alone, solar employs more people than are employed throughout the united states in coal. donald trump's withdrawal from this is just part of his politics of fear, xenophobia, wall off the united states from reality, wall us off from the physics and climate change which is very real. sadly, from a competitive standpoint, this really allows the chinese to move forward and perhaps really compete against what were budding american companies. in iowa, a so-called red state, 35% of their energy now comes from iowa wind and employs about 8,000 people. this will pass. donald trump's little tantrum here is all about the politics of fear. it's not about the future. >> a lot of trump's critics are saying exactly what you said,

this decision only hands the keys over to china and relinquishes some power that we have as the u.s. world power. >> but let's remember that it's only some. we can decry this decision, we can say it's cowardly and about fear, but that shouldn't grip us in fear and inaction. states can move forward and cities and states are doing that and they're not going to stop. >> as we're seeing that. both leaders in business and states as well. what about the democrats here, looking forward to 2020? you think they can use this as momentum, in their campaign slogans? or do you think it will be a distant memory by then? >> i think it's very part and parcel of the democratic theme which is expanded opportunity for all. this means the opportunity to learn, to earn, to have a higher paying job, to be able to give our children a better future, a

feature with greater health and well-being. this is all part and parcel of that. i will be in south carolina in a few moments to campaign for archie parnell running for the fifth congressional district here in south carolina, and that's the message. it's really about opportunity for all, greater well-being for americans. you're not going to do that by pretending that climate change isn't real, and you're not going to do that by holding down american job creation or holding back american wages. i want to talk for a moment about hillary clinton. she's been pretty vocal for the last couple weeks. she is your former opponent. she reflected on her election loss and spread the blame. let's take a listen to that. >> -- nothing from the democratic party. >> what do you mean nothing? >> i mean it was bankrupt, it was on the verge of insolvency. its data was mediocre to poor,

non-existent, wrong. i had to inject money into it. >> this is the dnc? >> the dnc to keep it going. >> how do you respond to that, that she inherited nothing from the democratic party, she had to build from the ground up? >> ooh. you know, i think a lot of us are disappointed we weren't able to spare our country on this detour through donald trump's presiden presidency. chief among them are hillary clinton. many of us thank her for her service and appreciate she gave it her very best. >> what about taking some personal responsibility as well? do you think secretary clinton needs to take more personal responsibility for her loss? she's talking about russian interference in the hacking and talking about the e-mail revelation that came out, with comey involved in that as well. you think she needs to take personal responsibility here or do you think she has a point? >> i think all of us need to

take personal responsibility in doing all that we can to fix what we broke in our country. that's what i'm doing. i'm campaigning in states. i'll be going to alaska next week. i'll be going to wyoming for the party j.j. dinner. we have to rebuild the democratic party from the grassroots and states up, all 50 states. that's why i'm going to help archie parnell in the fifth congressional district. we also need to win back our statehouses. every person in the united states has a lot of power and a lot of voice. none of us can afford to go silent. i hope that's where we all direct our energies, to call forward the goodness that's within our country. there's a lot of it out there, and it just needs to be called forward. >> i can tell governor, you're trying to redirect my questioning to look ahead versus looking in the past, but we are a little fascinated still as to why it is that hillary clinton did lose that election. obviously, as we remember, all polls pointed in her direction.

she says that russia was the tipping point. do you agree with that? >> well, look, i think the russian interference is unprecedented, and i believe the collusion of the trump campaign with the russians will ultimately be proved to have been criminal collusion. i think that's a very, very real consideration. at the same time, we as a democratic party failed to have enough credibility to make the argument that we were best prepared to make our economy more inclusive, to make wages go up. look, i think a very strong argument in this race would have been to say, look, this long recovery is only half complete. our nation is creating jobs, but we have to make wages go up and not down as donald trump wants to do. that i think would have been the better argument. but we needed to have credibility to do that. i ran for president myself because i believe that our country was looking for change, was looking for a candidate that

was not encumbered and tied into the relationships of wall street and the excesses there that led to the crash. unfortunately i wasn't able to open up a better lane and now we're dealing with what we're dealing with. great countries correct their mistakes, and i think that's what the united states will do. >> and we look ahead. governor martin o'malley, thank you for joining me. >> thank you, yasmin. >> why would president actually want jim comey to testimony next week? we have the answers next week. tp reduce calories from sugar. with more great tasting beverages with less sugar or no sugar at all, smaller portion sizes, clear calorie labels, and signs reminding everyone to think balance before choosing their beverages. we know you care about reducing the sugar in your family's diet, and we're working to support your efforts. more beverage choices. smaller portions. less sugar. balanceus.org.

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anything and blame someone else. >> russian president vladimir putin defending off blame that his government meddled in the u.s. election with his take on how easy it would be to hack and pin the blame on someone else. >> joining me now, yamiche yeah cinder. how did these comments by putin impact the cloud of suspicion the president is under? >> i think it adds to the idea -- at one point he said it might have been a patriotic person. now he's trying to put the blame on other countries. i think it makes this large growing russia cloud on this administration grow even more. this idea that he doesn't want to at all try to say that russia could have been up to this or this could have been something that it's russia's fault even though so many intelligence agencies have pointed to the fact that this is russia. essentially it shows he's mirroring the same attitude we see from the trump

administration. >> we talked about this in the last hour and i want to get your take on it. you can tell putin knows his audience by saying that? >> why should putin say anything other than what he's saying our own president says we don't know who it is. we do know who it is. i've spoken to the specialists who say it's russia, it's clear russia wanted us to know it was russia. >> so it wasn't a 3-year-old? >> it wasn't a 3-year-old, wasn't a 5-year-old. >> the fact that you have that mirror thing, this idea you have two world leaders mirroring each other and saying this, defying what american intelligence agencies are saying makes you feel like, what is there -- martin o'malley is saying there's clearly some kind of criminal collusion. i was surprised to hear him say it so outright. it adds to the suspicion, why are you using mirroring language. it's bizarre. >> let's talk about the lawmakers here and how they're reacting to all this, especially considering comey's testimony on

thursday. >> comey is a widely -- they respect him and they trust him on both sides of the aisle, and i think in this arena where you have people say, well, well, maybe, we don't know. someone is going to come in at the top law enforcement agency, top agent is going to say here is what happened. i think it's going to be a really straightforward testimony, and i think it will change the story in a very big way. >> let's talk about the possibility that president trump could feasibly stop comey and invoke executive privilege. one of your colleagues saying that president trump wants comey to testify because he did nothing wrong. he wants people to hear exactly what comey has to say. jeremy peters, another one of your colleagues, in the last hour he said he's more interested in hearing trump's reaction throughout comey's testimony on thursday which i'm sure we will be seeing on twitter non-stop. give me your take. >> my take is i want to see it all. >> i want to see it all. the best take i've heard.

we're done with the show everybody. >> i have a friend, a sports reporter who does not pay attention to political news. he knows what day james comey is going to be testifying. this is going to be something the nation will be watching. not only because you have republicans and democrats who jointly respect him. but also the notes, contemporaneous notes that will tell us realtime what he was thinking. there is this idea, even if you're respected, if you're fired in front of your agents on national tv and your motorcade has to be followed throughout l.a., that's embarrassing. there's this idea that you could be angry about testifying, but those notes will tell us exactly what happened. i think jeremy is right, we're going to see on twitter realtime how he reacts, how the president of the united states reacts. in some ways, we've been covering him for a long time, you understand it's going to be angry, going to be blame. he's just doing this because i fired him, he was a bad guy. we kind of already know the words he's going to use and it's going to be fascinating. >> it's going to be like a soap

opera. i want to turn to the fallout over president trump's decision to pull out of the paris climate accord. lot of people asking the question, does president trump believe in global warming, does heelieve in climate change? they're not giving us an answer. >> this is wanting to have it both ways. >> why not an answer? yes, no. >> he can convince everyone he's on their side. this is what he's good at. he doesn't disavow the other. people who think climate change is a china hoax, as trump tweeted years ago, they'll say he gets me. people who say donald trump went out and said it isn't right for us, isn't in our best interest, they'll say he's putting america first. both sides of his base get to think whatever they want about what he believes. it's not going to last forever. eventually he's going to have to answer the question. >> do you think his decision in pulling out of the accord will tilt the scale to the democrats?

i had a guest on in the last hour that said people don't vote with the environment. >> i think it depends what city we're talking about. i cover impoverished people and working class people as part of my beat. when you look at miami, parts of staten island, new orleans, these are cities facing real issues with climate change that are under duress. in some parts of the country, climate change is very much on people's minds. you have people thinking about moving the jazz culture in new orleans north because they think new orleans is not going to be here. we need to move this culture north. but will people in montana, ohio, will this be on their minds? i'm not sure and i don't think so. when i was on the campaign trail, the midwestern states, climate change is not what people were talking about. they were talking about jobs. >> but we'll watch it all. thank you for joining me. a defiant and determined kathy griffin fights back amid

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welcome back. i'm yasmin vossoughian at msnbc world headquarters in new york at the half hour. here is what we're watching. happening now, demonstrators are gathering to take part in today's march for truth. they're being held in over 100 cities around the world. worrying niezers in washington, d.c. planning to attend the rally. ali, what are you seeing on the ground and what we can expect. >> reporter: things are quiet right now. there's a stage behind me. we've got a view across the lawn of the white house. what this march is, as many of these marches we've seen the past few saturdays that we've been talking is people getting out and saying they want transparency from government. in this case, the focus on the march for truth is on, a special

investigation in congress. they want to push for that and want a lot of transparency regarding alleged collusion between russia and the trump campaign. a special counsel appointed to deal with that on the fbi looefl. this is a public push to say they want transparency across the board. this includes but not limited to the release of donald trump's tax returns. we haven't seen them through out the campaign, despite asking all those months ago when he was a candidate. there's a lot of push for that. this is the same thing we've been seeing over the course of all these kind of resist marches you've been seeing from progressive groups, trying to get out there and push back against the administration that they say is, among other things, not transparent. a lot of the controversies dogging this administration, yasmin. >> as these protests and marches get started across the country and across the world, ali vitali, we'll check back with you later in the day. let's turn now to comic kathy griffin under fire for posting a vial and much criticized photo of be headed

donald trump. on friday she held an emotional news conference saying the trumps are targeting her and she's even received death threats. nbc's gadi schwartz is in los angeles. good morning. >> reporter: goodmorning, yasmin. kathy griffin says she stands by her apology, vowing to keep making fun of the president. she says a lot of the backlash she's received is because of kr sexism. a crying kathy griffin claiming she is a victim, bullied by the president. >> i'm going to be honest, he broke me. he broke me. he broke me. >> reporter: then a defiant kathy griffin. >> i'm not afraid of donald trump. he's a bully. i've dealt with older white guys trying to keep me down my whole life, my whole career. >> reporter: just days after apologizing for these images. >> these are fake blood, just so you know. >> reporter: the kmeed wran holding the bloodied likeness of president donald trump's head, the viral tweet now deleted.

>> i went too far. i made a mistake and i was wrong. >> reporter: the rnc blasting back after her press conference saying kathy griffin's career was over long before she attempted to make a disgusting joke about decapitating the president, playing the victim and blaming others for her hateful actions is a bridge too far. >> you don't even know what you're talking about. >> reporter: cnn terminated griffin's contract to host the new year's eve show alongside anderson cooper, cooper distancing himself from the photo shoot describing it as disgusting. she sad five of her gigs have been canceled. griffin is losing ground in a flood of public outrage and now she says she's fearing for her life. >> the death threats i'm getting are constant and detailed. >> reporter: some fellow comedians defended griffin like jim carrey and rick kay gervais said, i hope these sensitive souls are feeling awful about that awful kathy griffin photo.

>> he picked the wrong redhead, although more of a par fay cup. >> reporter: still cracking jokes but many aren't laughing. >> griffin's lawyers say they will cooperate but they see this as a freedom of speech. hillary clinton is pointing a finger of blame for her loss, but is her claim valid? i'll ask a democratic member of the house foreign affairs committee next. i was out here smoking instead of being there for my son's

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in puch publicized remarks, hillary clinton reflecting on the 2016 presidential campaign was highly critical of the dnc as she presented a growing list of reasons why she lost. here is clinton with cara swisher and walt mossberg. take a listen.

>> i inherit nothing from the democratic party. >> what do you mean nothing? >> i mean it was bankrupt. it was on the verge of insolvency. its data was mediocre the poor, non-existent. >> the dnc responding fiercely on twitter with a couple of expletives. other staffers have joined in saying that clinton -- that she is flat-out wrong. what's your take? >> hindsight is always 20/20. clearly challenges with the past operations of the dnc, and although we must recognize that she still got over 3 million votes from her opponent, from president trump. but we have taken the efforts to restructure the party, to restrengthen. we have new leadership in tom perez and congressman keith ellison. we have a new team at the helm.

i'm optimistic that whatever mistakes occurred in the past, there's an array of issues and factors why we did not win and on a given day you can say that it's one over the other. the fact of the matter is that right now we're on a road to restructuring. we're stronger, we have a vision, a fresh new face and i'm optimistic we'll do really well. >> she's also pointing the finger squarely at russia and their information war campaign against her. do you think it's productive for clinton revisit what's happening to her in the election. do you think it's productive to look at the midterms in 2020 or do you think the clinton campaign in running for president is an anomaly. >> the russians are up to antics all over the planet. they're looking to influence elections in europe and other places. to that degree, i think it's important she brings that up.

we must not accept that to occur again. in that sense i think it's important that she brings that narrative back in. on another sense it's senseless to look in the past and look for different reasons why we lost when we must establish a bright new road for the future. that's what our party should be engaged in, developing a new strategy, a new vision to engage voters, that obviously we lost, and engage new voters that maybe stayed at home. >> mayor bloomberg said recently p the democrats keep stepping on each other and others, he's waging money that president trump will win again in 2020. what's your reaction? >> let's see what happens. there's a couple of elections coming up relatively soon. >> a couple. >> and we'll be able to gauge where he's at. politics is about timing. we'll see what happens in the

midterm elections and we'll b able to determine where he stands for his re-election. i think he'sad a horrible start. for now i think he's had a horrible start. if he continues to move in this direction, i think we'll be good shape to take back the house. >> you're a member of the foreign affairs committee. this week senator john mccain expressing strong concerns about russia's interference in not only the elections here in the united states but also abroad. we heard about their involvement in the french election, with macron getting elected there. let's take a listen to mccain. >> how much of a threat to global security do you consider russian president vladimir putin? >> i think he's the premier and most important threat, more so than isis. >> do you agree with that assessment? >> the new cold war isn't about a parade of missiles down red square or khrushchev banging his shoe at the u.n. it's about cyber terrorism. these are the methods used to

undermine and discourage voters to go to the polls or to really take a shot at democracy. it happened here. >> do you think russia is more of a threat than isis? he said that specifically. >> isis is a violent killing machine. russia is a settle but very effective machine at undermining democracy. >> you think they can be compared? >> i wouldn't compare it to isis, but i think russia is -- undermining democracy is a horrible criminal act as well. >> james comey going to testify on thursday. what do you want to hear? >> the truth. >> the truth. it's very simple. comey will testify according to what he's told us. he's got some notes he took, some of which may be admissible in court, and we're looking forward to hearing his testimony. >> you know, we've been hearing -- we've been talking over the last couple hours as to whether president trump is going to invoke his executive privilege here and basically block comey from testifying.

if that were to happen -- >> the white house seems to want to engage in a gag order approach to handling themselves. they may want to stop us from accessing information that's important. it's a pattern of dishonesty and secrecy perhaps that we haven't seen in the white house since the nixon years. so this is trr very troubling for us. we want to make sure we get access. that's why i support an independent commission to investigate all this, similar to the 9/11 commission. i think the american public, the people of america want to see and want to hear the facts, the truth. often in a congressional laerg or secretive investigation, the american people won't get access to all the truth. >> bob mueller, are you confident he's going to figure out what's been going on? >> i believe he's a great -- he was a great director. >> yes or no. >> i believe so, yes. >> i got it.

>> congressman, thank you, appreciate it. >> thank you. whispers from the west wing. why there's growing suspicion that ivanka trump is providing leaks to reporters. on "am joy," a unique perspective on the russia probe from one of the prosecutors of the watergate scandal. really interesting stuff here. [radio alarm] ♪

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president trump bannon is on the wrong side of the majority. president bannon may be right when president bannon is looking at president bannon's primary base. but when president bannon is looking at the overall scope of american voters, you can talk

about the past three decades, president bannon is not even reading the polls right for today. >> there you go, "morning joe" hoe joe scarborough offering his explanation as to why the trump administration pulled out joe scarborough offering his explanation of why the administration pulled out of paris climate in option to the public. j . >> thank you both for joining me. i'm doing to start with you. give me your response to that do you think this climb decision is proof of bannon's power over the president now? >> no. i really don't think this is a staffing issue. this is a policy issue. the president campaigned on the idea he would pull out of the paris accord. this is about what's good for america. it's important for people to remember even the biggest cheerleaders of the paris accord agreed it would have a negative effect on the climate. a negative effect on the economy. the estimate was $3 trillion.

>> complete trash. not true. i'm sorry to interrupt you but that's not true. we don't want to give out erroneous facts to american people and msnbc public. >> what would happen. >> finish and then jonathan, you can do. >> i don't like it when carrie uses numbers that aren't good. i'm sorry to have jumped in. you can't be telling people things that are aren't. >> jonathan, you tell us the numbers. how much -- what would have been a change in degree based on the climate accord doing forward. .2 celsius degree reduction was estimate i believe by epa. you tell me if you have a better number. >> it wasn't that number, it was the proceed to the american economy. in terms of reducing emissions because it's a nonbinding treaty and each country will do the best they can, it was a more

aspiration accord rather than one with targets. >> carrie, let jonathan finish and i'll come back to you. >> we are isolated in the world. steve bannon is not just -- he's an isolationist. will this white house doesn't believe in the concept of global community. two other nations are not part of this accord, syria, which was busy with a war and nicaragua which didn't think it was strong enough. we are literally alone in the entire world in saying we do not believe in moving forward to protect our planet. that's a very, very sad day for the country. what really annoys me is when you have the president and his supporters who are peddling bogus statistics about the blow

this will land on the american economy. none of those statistics are true. in fact, our economic growth, economic future is bound up in clean energy which now employs a lot more people in the united states than fossil fuel energy does. >> carrie, go ahead. >> people in all of fossil fuel. the economics are just wrong. >> this is -- when you look, first of all, jonathan had just mentioned it was a voluntary agreement. the idea this was doing to have such a tremendous bacteria on our economy or positive exact on our economy is ridiculous. meanwhile we have had -- one of the reasons why the united states has been a leader in moving forward in terms of bringing down car upon emissions is because of our growing economy. if we were going to be transferring, this is why should america alone be against moving forward with this agreement, because we would have been paying for it. we were paying all the costs.

none was asked of china, nothing asked of the countries that are the biggest polluters. >> that's not true. nothing was asked of china. you haven't taken a close look at the agreement. adopt listen to me. listen to ceo of major corporations including exxonmobil who suggested what carrie is talking about right now is not fact really accurate. in terms of leadership in the world, this is where i'm really concerned. if you combined this with what happened when the president went and met with what were our nato allies, the big winner here is vladimir putin. the other big in wither, china. they now are asserting global leadership because the united states stepped back. we're retreating for the first time since world war ii. we are not leading the west. this is a disastrous moment for our national interest and just amazes me that there are certain republicans who don't get how

bad this is. >> jonathan -- >> guys, let me get a question here, because i'm here. jonathan, do you think this is more of an impact diplomatically or environmentally here or one in the same? >> i think huge implications dip north dakotaly and the environment. the good news on the environment is that others in our country, governors, mayors, corporations are going to step up. the market is doing to say, you know what, steve bannon, donald trump, they are from the past. we're looking to the future. so i think we'll probably end up being on the same pace environment environmental when you have scott pruitt at the epa, could be harmful to the environment. basically is fiasco, we are retreating from american leadership in the world. >> carrie, your response. >> the idea that participating in this sham voluntary agreement which asked -- which would have

required nothing of countries, this is some enormous political implications or worldwide implications or said something about u.s. leadership is really crazy. the united states had been on the retreat. this is under president obama. that's when we had a big lack of leadership because we weren't doing things like enforcing red lines, with drawing when america was getting over to russia and then control over what was happening in the middle east. that's with drawing from the world, jonathan. not with drawing from the paris accord. this entirely symbolic agreement. >> the entire rest of the world. the administration now said in the "wall street journal" in an op-ed piece two senior members of the administration said they basically don't believe in the concept of, quote, the global community. it's every nation for themselves. we went down that road, two world wars, this kind of national collective global community --

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