very good sunday to you, i'm richard liu in new york city and we're following breaking developments out of london where police now have netted 17 new arrests from raids following the fror attack that left seven dead and dozens more wounded. these raids are taking place in the east london neighborh of

barking it's where gabe gutierrez caught up with several neighbors who witnessed the police investigation. >> it was around 7:00 in the morning when i heard shouting going on because my window was open. i was in the second floor and first i thought it was drunk people, just fighting or something. then the noise carried on and i looked through my window and could see a man on the floor and then there was this lady next to him sitting on one of the big stones there. and i didn't realize what was going on. then when i came out in the balcony -- it was like full of police cars everywhere and every street like all -- it was like around 15 to 20 police cars roughly. >> i didn't know at that time what was happening in the morninging until i saw his mom coming up on the stretcher. one of the guys who lived on the ground floor and that's what made me think, okay, it could be him then. obviously we don't in he's still a suspect from the pictures i've seen. it looks like -- it looked like him, who lived on the ground

floor it's absolutely shocking. i can't believe someone like him with little children and wife and mother living here could do something like that. you would see him day in and day out every day saying hello, like i can't believe seriously. what would happen to the kids, little children and it is just shocking. i still seriously can't believe it. >> gabe gutierrez with that interview of an individual living close to an individual that was arrested. then these pictures here just happening a short while ago, the van that was allegedly used here to mow down pedestrians on london bridge taken awa from the scene of the crime. and that happened in the last hour. authorities saying again that the three attackers that were suspects then were killed, drove that van. later by the way, that trio went on to stab in a spree here in the borough market section where they were shot and killed by police. investigators were scouring for

more information about the alleged perpetrators after that shooting. joining us now with the latest from borough market in london is matt bradley. the sun is about to set here, matt. and the law enforcement -- metropolitan police are still working hard. what are they doing now? >> that's right, richard. the investigation is really expanding as i mentioned to you earlier, there's been a dozen arrests so far, mostly east london around the area of barking. and there's still quite a few victims in the hospital. several dozen still in critical condition. now as you mentioned i'm right down the street from borough market, the main scene of the crime. that's where after these three perpetrators rammed pedestrians on london bridge they dismounted their car and ran to borough market, this trendy dining bar area last night and proceeded to start stabbing people. i'm here with patrick o'donnell, who was here last night right on this street walking down this et and patrick, why don't

you tell ushat you saw. >> basically, matt, you have to remember it was a european champions league final, we'll all here watching real madrid and spanish and italians wanted to enjoy themselves. i'm a local boy so i take them here towards the borough market. we almost get to it when suddenly strange things started happening. we saw what we thought first would be a football fight because it's normally in this area not really a great thing. but then it turned out to be police coming in with guns, hundreds of people running down here for their lives, the hotel here being blocked off. chaos broke out and anarchy in london. >> reporter: did you see people confronting these terrorists? >> yes, i did, one is in hospital in on on the critical list. i won't tell you which football team he's from.

some people resisted starting throwing chairs and started throwing bottles at them. there was one guy on a bike trying to warn people, go back, go back. the bike fell down and they stabbed him. they got him. >> reporter: richard, as you can see this is one of the things people are still talking about, ordinary people taking matters in their own hands. as you heard the police managed to shoot and kill these three terrorists only eight minutes after the beginning of the crime but still there were a lot of people here, a lot of ordinary people out for night on the town who actually confronted these killers andatrick o'donnell, my friend here saw it with his own eyes. >> richard? >> people living their lives and stepping up and also seeing things they probably never thought they were going to see where they live. matt bradley, thank you, sir. arian's grande is performing for

victims of the manchester attack that killed 22 people two weeks ago. her manager scooter braun saying today's one love manchester benefit concert will not only continue but do so with greater pur purpose. kelly cobiella, how is security for the benefit concert tonight? how are folks? >> reporter: well, richard, these tens of thousands of people are standing in line trying to get into this concert, incredible event here, the one love manchester concert to raise money for the victims of the manchester attack nearly two weeks ago, two weeks tomorrow, the likes of justin bieber and miley cyrus and usher, katy perry planning to be on stage along with special guests tonight. manchester police came out with a statement early today saying, look, this event is going forward so is a soccer match that is happening very close by. they are expecting about 130,000

people in the immediate vicinity of this venue and the other. a lot of people to protect and they've been planning for this for past several days. they brought in police from other jurisdictions from other cities and they have heavily armed police, they also have police on horseback. you really do notice a very heavy police presence. the other thing they've done, they've closed the roads surrounding the arena. you see these huge clouds of people and no access to vehicles here. there's no harm to be done in that sense. they told me to leave bags at home as much as possible. every single thing will be searched and it will be an awful lot easier to get people inside the venue ifouon't bring a whole lot of bags or equipment with yo there has been a sense of defiance here and also a lot of nerves on the part of some of these young fans. spoke to one young woman who said she was really anxious

going in today. she said she heard about the london attacks and simply burst into tears, said she didn't want to come to the concert today. her friends talked her into it, you have to go. you have to show we're not afraid and that we're one community. she decided to go through with it in the end. richard, that's the kind of sense we're hearing throughout the day today. >> kelly kocobiella in manchest. no group has claimed responsibility for the latest attack it's the third strike on the uk this year. march 22nd, and bridge, six killed there and the arianna grande concert and the one last night claimed seven lives so far. earlier today the metropolitan police officer said it will likely take some time. >> it's a very complex and confused scene and confused series of events.

so it's important that we first of all make sure that there is no one else outstanding, we don't believe there is but we must mak absolutely certain of that. >> joining me w, msnbc contributor, shawn henry and former chief of staff at the cia and department of defense, jerry bash. shawn, starting with you on this, we're getting reports from matt and mayor saying we're going to see a lot more presence on the street right now. live pictures, it shows there is a presence. what are they doing right now? they have 12 suspects in hand so far. >> it's about a show of force and trying to identify and detect any other plotters that might be out there. somebody who is taking advantage as a copycat or somebody who may have been kplis it with the attackers from yesterday and going back to the manchester attack a couple of weeks ago. police want to respond quickly and more importantly to see something to intervene and

prevent some type of tragedy as we've seen. >> part of this is the time line and there was a van just hauled away and zigzagged down london bridge and stopped in the borough area. and borough market area and three of the suspects were killed. as we were just talking about it, 12 other suspects and then the bomb vests that were fake as well. what are you piecing together in the time line? >> what struck me about this attack, it appears to be the first ramming attack with a vehicle against a western target that involved a team of individuals. we have seen these ramming attacks before. they are low tech. they are against soft targets but they have predominantly involved loan operane operators wolves. i don't think we'veeen a situation in which three people who have to coordinate before the attack begins, get into a vehicle and kill individuals in this fashion. of course the paris attacks and brussels attacks against

european targets have involved teams of individuals. but what struck me, we have said to ourselves, these attacks are hard to stop because they involve lone operators. if there are three individuals that may be a window for counterterrorism professionals to understand who they were communicating with beforehand and were they communicating amongst themselves. >> shawn, your thought on that based on what jeremy is saying? we have three individuals that were killed and so it is more than one. how do you put that together in terms of that question? >> the attack itself was pretty low tech. you weren't looking at -- >> knives, a vehicle and then firearms. >> readily available weapons that they don't need special training. what i heard law enforcement say they talked about other arrests, are those people arrested tied to the three or not? how widespread is this particular conspiracy? by executing arrests and bringing people in and questioning them, they are certainly looking to identify

additional attacks and the breadth and scope of this actual -- this actual group. >> jeremy, we now have two key investigations ongoing in the uk and the question has to be asked. do they have the capacity? these manchester and then london within a two-week time span here. >> no doubt, this is definitely stressing the counterterrorism professionals in the uk but they are among the best in the business. if you look at the mi5, the british secret service, as well as the met police in london and other counterterrorism forces, they have the capability and they have the technical capability and professional training, whether they will need more manpower and people on certain cases in the coming days and weeks, that's fundamentally a resource issue. when theresa may says things will have to change, i suspect one of the things they will do is increase the size and scope of the counterterrorism forces internally in the country.

>> shawn, you said they are hard targets and soft targets and life targets? >> that's right, it's easier to protect the hard targets, you've got the ability to build a perimeter, magnetometers, those type of things and soft targets, you have people accumulating outside the venue, officers with dogs, might be able to use drones to get some visual. thenl we've got every day life. people walking up and down the street, getting an ice cream cone and participate. there are billions of people constantly who are potentially vulnerable here. how do you protect against that? you have to get the private citizens involved. we need community leaders to talk about these types of attacks. i heard a couple of folks say as a muslim american this is what i saw, an attack against our religion. there needs to be those types of statements to change the fos philosophy and ideology of these people. why you can protect against hardened target, soft targets to

a lesser extent, life targets you can't protect against. you have to stop the attackers where they are and the community has to be greatly involved. >> i couldn't agree with shawn more. this is not just operationally challenging but societally challenging and this does fall to the leadership of the muslim community in the uk and around the world to condemn this and also to design strategies to ensure young people don't turn towards this type of violence. >> the best in the business yourselves, thank you both. >> thank you. >> london mayor sadiq khan struck a defiant and adamant tone in response to last night's terror attack. >> one of the things these terrorists want to do is disrupt our way of life and stop us enjoying the freedoms we have enjoyed and mingle and mixing in the heart of london having a good time. they want to stop us on thursday and enjoying the democracy that we have.

we can't allow them to do that. we aren't going to be cowered by terrorism nor let them win. >> a little while later president trump went to twitter blasting the mayor's response, saying at least seven dead and 48 wounded and mayor of london says there is no reason to be alarmed. joining me now to discuss the white house reaction to that, the white house correspondent kelly o'donnell. there's been more back and forth here, not necessarily friendly. >> the relationship has not been friendly because the president as a candidate first introduced the proposed as he at one point called it a muslim ban and refined it to say it was a travel ban reflecting certain countries that are majority muslim and have some tie to terrorism. sadiq chan, the first big city mayor who is muslim in europe, took issue with that, was openly critical of it. there is that history between the president and the mayor. what's striking is that the

mayor is in the midst of a crisis in his city and the president would say something critical, really checking his judgment saying the notion of saying there's no need for alarm, the white house has not responded specifically to this but the mayor's office certainly has. and says that the president took that out of context. what the mayor was trying to say with an increased presence of law enforcement and as you know many law enforcement in britain are not armed but they are stepping up and making more visible those who do carry side arms to not be alarmed by the presence of that additional manpower security teams and that kind of thing. i'm curious, don't know the answer to this, where the president got access to that clip of the mayor. we have the benefit of the full remarks of mayor khan not sure where the presidensaw it. did he read an exrpt or watch in full or hear those few words and decide to tweet. the president's view is that you need a stronger approach towards

terrorism and you need to talk tough and have tough policies and so that's part of where he has some criticism for europe more broadly. so this is a squabble at the very unfortunate time. now the president tweeted this hours ago, he sort of moved on. we don't know he's even thinking about the mayor of london in this context again. he did spend several hours at his golf club in virginia today and the white house isn't speaking to the specific tweets but there are those saying is this the best response from the white house? some of it is traditional trump with the stronger view and others saying not the right time to take on a fight with the mayor when the city is dealing with this kind of ang attack. >> thank you for that full report. kelly o'donnell at the white house. >> still ahead, the chances the president's travel ban reinstated by the supreme court after the terror attack of and the role neil gorsuch could play

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the police officers start telling the people to leave the cars and run back to the stateside of the river. that's all i saw to be honest. i got myself to safety and my customers to safety. that's all i saw, to stay behind the tapes, that's all. i didn't see the incident happen but i saw the bodies on the left and right side of the bridge. >> a london resident there describing chaos and the moments after the terror attack we've been reporting on in london. the attackers used a van and

knives and rampage that killed seven and injuring dozens more. president trump tweeted we need the travel ban as an extra level of security and followed up with another tweet this morning, we must stop being political correct and get down to the business of security for the people. they are asking to reinstate the ban after federal courts ruled against him. joining us now, ari melber, that request happening days ago and this unfortunate attack. will the supreme court regardless of what he's saying now, they can get these reversals that he's asking for if you will done in a week, right? >> this could all happen potentially very quickly because it's not the resolution of the whole case. it's just a question of while the case proceeds, should the status quo be no ban or reinstate the ban. the trump administration saying if it isn't inconstitutional why

not leave it in place until we argue it. >> what's the probability based on the arguments being made this may happen? >> this is really all procedure. i think the supreme court to your question is unlikely to want to get in and reverse everything that's come. whether you like it or no we've had several months now of the ban basicallyfrozen, on hold. it takes a lot legally for the court to reverse that and say the status quo should be the enforcement of the ban. >> some of the considerations might be what he said from the ban. >> a lot of the debate is do you look at just what the ban says, six countries, is that a fair program or is that as the advocates have said, religious discrimination or look to the wider context. in the new filing, we get a preview of what we're going to have in the big argument of the supreme court, the biggest supreme court fight for donald trump in his young presidency. and this is what they say, we will win this case as long as the court decides to quote

exclude campaign statements made by trump from its review of the policy. they are saying, hey, you know what, justices, if you just look at what the president has said as president and leave the campaign to the side, we win. why? because he doesn't talk about it being a muslim banany more. >> the point coming up in 36 minutes. >> i wouldn't miss it if i were you. >> i'll be right here. >> we have obviously the latest on what's going on in london and looking at the concert and arianna grande and that will be at the top of our show. beyond that we'll look at the preview of jim comey's testimony and the white house very nervous -- >> thursday. >> we have real experts on that. and also i have an intervi exclusive with a woman who used to be editor in chief of jared kushner's newspaper. she has interesting things to say about him and his role at the white house. >> you may even play tapes so we can hear his voice. >> it's always hard to find

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left/right to my vehicle. five minutes after that, i saw people running on both sides of the bridge towards this side here. and then the police officers started telling the people in the car to leave the cars and run back to the stateside of the river. that's all i saw to be honhones. got myself to safety and customers to safety. >> so good he got to safety. police officers shot and killed all three suspects within eht minutes of the attack being reported. joining us now is the deputy director of the international center for the study of radicalization. sharaz thanks for being here. i know it's a question you're thinking through now that we're only what, less than 24 hours since the incident. what is leading to the frequency of these attacks in the uk? how are you thinking about that question? >> well, one of the things we've noted is that a successful terrorist attack tends to

inspire others to carry out similar types of actions, whether that's a bombing like in manchester two weeks ago or an attack such as westminster which happened ten weeks ago now. one successful attack does inspire others to go out. it's as simple as individuals sympathetic to this type of activity, if he can do it, so can i. >> is there any sort of pattern that you watch, as some say the rule of threes and unfortunate rule of threes and we've now had three to talk about. >> well, i wouldn't put a hard and fast rule on that. one thing, we've mapped for a new of years the interconnectedness for people who engage in terrorist activity. what we've found the transition from being the support of isis or al qaeda, to go from being someone supporting that kind of thing and transitioning into being a terrorist actor yourself still requires real world social

networks and an interconnectedness with peop in the real world. this comes back to traditional policing and intelligence work of the kind we're not concentrating so much anymore. we're not talking about the online realm. what's happening in the real world matters huge tli in terms of the mobilization of individuals towards this type of activity. >> part of that online campaign or online community policing you're alluding to here, theresa may has concerns about the digitsphere and how the ideas are prop pull gated and google and facebook are going to work towards this and absolutely in agreeing this is not good stuff. what is that tactic that would work where these associations and these communities can thrive? >> what we've seen is the online environment is changing rapidly. if you look what's happening online maybe in 2013, '14 and

'15, the high water mark in terms of terrorist propaganda on mainstream platforms, that has dra massically changed. you don't find isis content or al qaeda content floating around on those channel. there's a take down policy. it tends to get pulled quickly. there's mapping going on, who's talking to who and setting up which accounts and which accounts are there to amplify the messages and drive them forward. there's a lot of work going on in that sense. this old idea of a distinction online world and offline world doesn't apply anymore, we're leading more integrated lives and smartphones and tablets and the real world plays a huge role in the final ste. >> back to real world quickly. jerry bash, msnbcontributor and former cia was saying one of the ideas here is more education in the muslim community. how would you react to that

idea? >> the community plays another very important role. each country where you have large numbers of muslims has its own dynamics, in britain, at least part of that discussion has been about challenging some of the narrative of separateness, of separate identity of having an exclusivist community and having to tackle that. that's different to the dynamics of being a french muslim or german muslim or american muslim. in each country the dynamics of the community have a role to play but they will be quite different from country to country. >> shiraz, thank you, really good insight. how president trump's initial tweets are being perceived in washington, d.c. and around the world.

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london's mayor condemned the

attacks on his city and described the action plan. >> we'll never let them win nor allow them to cower our city or londoners. just like terrorists are finding new ways to disrupt us and harm us and attack us, the police and experts are finding new ways to keep us safe. londoners will see an increased police presence today and over the course of the next few days, no reason to be alarmed. >> president donald trump reacted to the mayor's remarks with a tweet saying at least seven dead a 48 wounded in a terror attack and mayor of london says there's no reason to be alarmed. >> joining us now, michael allen, former majority staff director on the committee on intelligence. steve, the larger context of the statement by the mayor, was that -- expect to see more presence in the streets as they doing what they need to do on a

day after a terror attack in the city of london. taken potentially out of context the president then proceeded. the takeaway, steve, is the united states and uk coordinating the way they need to under duress, which is what we're seeing today, duress in london, an international city? >> sadly no. i find it unfortunate that the president tweeted what he did. it is a time of crisis and the adult in that case is mayor khan of london. i interviewed buddy d ddy dyer the pulse nightclub incident he said the biggest thing you can let them do is play their role, play a calming role. you don't want to walk away from the stress or try to pretend something horrible hasn't happened but let people know there will be a better tomorrow and they can work through this. in the middle of the crisis, the president of the united states amped it up and that's

incredibly irresponsible and unfortunate for the u.s./british relationship but it does a lot of damage. >> part of that damage though could be limited to certain levels of government. michael, as you understand as we look at cities and states and the way they coordinate internationally wither intelligence infrastructures, nypd, for instance, throughout the world in terms of counterterrorism specialists to try to learn, communicate during these crises that again steve was alluding to here. do you believe that they will still be able to operate efficiently these other layers of the government as donald trump seems to have some conflict? >> most certainly. listen, the british intelligence services are our best friends in the world. we, notwithstanding some leaks of late that the british are justifiably upset about, we

share a tremendous amount of intelligence with our friends in great britain. this goes on in a professional intelligence and law enforcement level. i know that it will continue. i know that they've probably been speaking since last night, including at the white house level with tom bossert, there probably running a counterstrategy group to possibly assist the british and bolster forces at home. >> steve, quickly here, prime minister theresa may saying she sees a new trend. do you see a new trend in terms of these terror attacks? >> well, i certainly agree with your previous commenter, what you see is an inspired copycattism, where people are striking in within societies that are open. they may have other stuff going on in their lives but there certainly has been a call by bin laden, bin laden's son in al

qaeda, within isis to take on these kind of attacks. unfortunately in certain societies this is going to happen and there needs to be resilience and vigilance to deal with it. >> michael, do you see then that there be certain institutions abroad that will not want to share intelligence with this president? >> well, i think that they probably have some concerns about it. these are institutional relationships. people want to share with us because we are the gigantic intelligence collector around the world. we spend $80 billion on intelligence. in many cases not necessarily the british but certainly in other cases in western europe, they are reliant upon the intelligence that we collect overseas in order to tip them off to terrorists and their confederates around yup. people have an incentive to share because of how good we are and how much we invest in it. notwithstanding what goes on at

the political level and tweets and the rest. there's a huge longstanding institutional relationship between the united states and our counterparts overseas on the security level and it will continue especially given the terrorist threat. >> thank you both for your per spektdive on this and help on the coverage over the last 24 hours. steve clemons and michael allen, have a good day. >> my colleague ari melber with the latest on the london terror investigation. do not miss "the point" next on msnbc. what do you have there?

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discussed the controversy surrounding michael flynn and russia. >> he came over here for a dinner, a photo of which has been widely circulated in the american media. what was the nature of your relationship withhim? >> translator: you and i, you and i personally have a much closer relationship than i had with mr. flynn. you and i met yesterday evening. you and i have been working together all day today and now meeting again. when i came to the event for our company and sat down at the table, next to me there was a gentleman sitting on one side. i made my speech and we talked about other stuff and i got up and left. afterwards i was told, you know that was an american gentleman, involved if some things and used to be in the security services. that's it. i didn't even really talk to him. that's the extent of my acquaintance with mr. flynn. >> joining me now on this very topic, digital reporter ben

shrekkinger. your reaction to vladimir putin's response to megyn kelly saying how did you know michael flynn? this all related to the russian connection question. >> my pons is that does not pass the smell test. the idea that putin would be sitting next to a former head of american military intelligence. putin of course, former kgw colonel and wouldn't know until after the two of them dined together what michael flynn's background was, you get the sense he doesn't even intend to be believed what he says that. >> he's talking about timing, how long they sat withach other in addition but it might be what they talked about which is the focus here. as they prepare for such questions on very topic at the white house, because there will be more energy brought to this question because of comey's

thursday open testimony. >> reporter: that's certainly right. that's why it's important to see what the white house is planning to do this week. they are pushing this infrastructure week which will kick off with an announcement in the rose garden. white house officials are telling me part is aplan to privatize air traffic control. and i think it's actually because or due in part to the comey testimony they are going to look to have a counter narrative this week. he's going to get on the road and go to ohio and pushing these kind of plans and giving news media something else to talk about from the white house perspective. that's notable because republican strategists throughout the course of this administration have said the only way the white house can turns the news cycles around, all of the controversies constantly pushed around this administration is to give reporters something else to focus on and push some other narrative. that's what you are seeing this week. it's not going to take away the importance of the comey testimony but give other

narratives that americans can look to see while the administration is trying to push something on an administration level this week. >> what are you hearing on that? >> lest reporting i've seen is that the wte house is likely to balk, not likely to try to invoke executive privilege to try to prevent comey from speaking. there are questions even if they were to pull that card, whether it would be successful in part because president trump has already spoken publicly and tweeted about these conversations with comey, which undermines part of the argument they might try to make that these are matters of national security meant to remain confidential. and even trying to invoke executive privilege would probably create a bigger political firestorm than its worth given that ultimately comey is likely to be able to at least have something to say about those conversations he had

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hang right now, multiple donald trump rallies being held in portland, oregon. five protests are going on. the rallies are in response to the recent tragedy that tookt lives two of men and left one injured during an attack on a train last week. joining us live from portland, oregon, is nbc's gina kim. it looks like the numbers increased in the last hour since you and i have both spoke. the han incidents and reports there that some make shift weapons or such have been gathered by law enforcement there. telt us what you're seeing. >> yeah, richard.

as tense as the situation, is portland police say that they've only arrested two people. i say only because attention here is very palpable and they seized a handful of handmade what appear to be weapons from this crowd. i don't think that's the extent of all the weapons that are here. but let me tell you what's going on right now. any second now this pro trump rally which is a foundation of all of this is about to take place. this rally was scheduled over a month ago according to organizers. then a week ago that terrible tragedy that we all know about that happened on that portland train took place. and to top it all off, the murder suspect in that case had a attended a pro trump rally organized by the same people. that only galvanized the counter protesters and we have this situation right here. on all sides of the plaza which is where i am right now, you have counter protesters. the rose city facists, the people you always see in black

are on that side. and they're the most -- theret people that police are most concerned about because they have promised to return action for action if anybody from the pro trump side gets physical. then on the north side of this border, you have a bunch of labor groups who have come with their own message but they're also anti-trump people. then to the south of me, you have 1,000 or so people who have gathered in front of city hall and so on all sides of this pro trump rally you have counter protesters which is why you have so many police as you do right here. and so i can definitely tell you the tension here is really heated up. this pro trump rally just got started. we have three hours left to go on this. so we'll have to watch and see what happens. but so far, for as much activity as there, is the arrests have been few. >> jean yashgina, 30 seconds he. how many are being estimated

there by law enforcement that are on location? and what are some of the signs and chants you're hearing? >> oh, my goodness they range from make speech free to black lives matter to women's rights are our rights. basically anybody with any kind of message is gathered here. i would say that according to social media posts where they invited people and they kept track who have was coming, we have probably 2,000 people here. in a very small area in downtown portland. >> very small area. great coverage there. gina kim, portland, oregon, almost 2:00 there as five different groups are gathering on the ground all starting with aro trump rally and, of course, all calm eyes want things no the to explode in any sort of conflict. thank you, gina kim. appreciate your time there. that does it for us this hour. the point is next with my colleague ari melber. he'll have the latest

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