this sunday night. richard lui will be back at 8:00 p.m. eastern with special extended live coverage. follow me on twitter and facebook or e-mail me at ari@msnbc.com. thank you for watching. please keep it on nbc. "meet the press c" is next. this sunday, terror in london. a van mows down pedestrians on london bridge and the three occupants stab customers at nearby bars and restaurants. >> saw someone running, screaming, somebody was injured. the worst 30 minutes of my life. >> at least seven people are killed. dozens more wounded. prime minister theresa may responds this morning. >> we believe we are experiencing a new trend in the threat we face. >> wel we' >> we'll have the latest. plus the u.s. pulls out of the paris climate change acourt. president trump says it helps other countries at the expense of the u.s. economy. >> i was elected to represent the citizens of pittsburgh, not

paris. >> the reaction is swift. >> extraordinary andy ca abdica of american leadership, a sha shameful moment for the united states. former fbi director james comey will testify before congress after being fired while investigating possible links between russia election hacking and the trump campaign. >> as with any counterintelligence investigation, this will include an assessment of whether any crimes were committed. >> guests this morning, former secretary of state john kerry and epa administrator sean pruitt. joining me, hue hewitt. democratic strategist, stuffny c stephanie cutter. michael gerson. and heather mcgee, president of the progressive group, demos. welcome to sunday. it's "meet the press." >> from nbc news in washington, the longest running show in television history, celebrating its 70th year, this is "meet the press" with chuck todd. >> good sunday morning.

we have three big stories that we're following. u.s. withdrawal from the paris climate agreement. former fbi director james comey set to testify on capitol hill. once again, we're waking up to news of a terror attack and once again it's happened in the uk. seven people are dead plus the three attackers. and dozens more are wounded in an attack by three men whom first mowed down pedestrians at london bridge last night and began stabbing people who were simply enjoying a saturday evening at nearby bars and restaurants. the three men were shot and killed by london police and this morning we have learned 12 people have been arrested according to metropolitan police in london. here's some witnesses describing the attack. >> i saw people running, screaming, somebody was injured. i see people with some blood and the worst 30 minutes of my life. >> a lot of loud noises then people running, screaming, you know, police sirens came in. >> they start to tell us to evacuate. >> i said to my friend, i said, oh, look, there's quite a few

police here. she said, oh, i think it's normal. then we heard the sirens and saw the people and we were like, no, this isn't right. >> british prime minister theresa may responded this morning. >> we cannot and must not pretend that things can continue as they are. to be frank, far too much tolerance of extremism in our country. so we need to become far more robust in identifying it and stamping it out. >> very tough talk there from the prime minister. we get the latest now from our chief kforeign correspondent, richard engel, on the ground in london. richard, wheard ere a very defiant prime minister. what do we know this morning? >> reporter: she needs it be defiant. this country has seen three terrorist attacks in the last three months. the latest took place just after 10:00 last night, taking place behind me. a white van came barreling down london bridge going onto the curb, coming off the curb, chases people down, mowing

people down then the van came to a stop. the three men jumped out carrying knives and they started slashing, stabbing people who were at bars and restaurants. to their credit, a lot of people tried to resist. they were throwing bottles at the attackers, using chairs to try to barricade the doors. it's impressive considering the attackers were wearing what tlo looked like suicide vests. they turned out to be fakes. police arrived very quickly on the scene. they say within eight minutes of getting the call, they were here and shot the three attackers dead. >> we are not very far removed from the attack in manchester, in fact, tonight, ariana grande's having the memorial concert there in support of the victims of the manchester attack, but this morning the prime minister said, richard, that she thought this was a copycat, that there wasn't a connection. is that good news or bad news? >> reporter: well, it's a little bit of both. it's good news that there's not

onbiyell krecell. the manchester cell was more sophisticated than this. the bad news is these attacks keep happening so the extremists are able to draw from a fairly large pool of willing attackers in this country. theresa may said that not only have there been these three terrorist attacks in the last three months but there were also five thwarted attacks. so, five thwarted attacks, three that got through. that's not a terribly good record and i thing thatk that's you're seeing theresa may tau talking very tough and there's a concern we might not be at the end of this. this is the holy month of ramadan. isis has called for its supporters to carry out attacks during ramadan. isis made the same call last year during ramadan and there were a lot of people, unfortunately, who took up the call. crow had the orlando attack, an attack at the istanbul airport, the dhaka cafe. this could be a long muslim holy month. >> richard engel, thank you very much. by the way, we're five days

removed, five days away from the uk snap elections. joining me now, nbc news national security analyst, michael liter. obvious low -- she wasn't talking about -- she was talking about safe space in the digital environment. she believes, that is what she brought up first, not people going back and fort to syria. >> i think she's exactly right. she sees people aren't necessarily going to sere wra and training, they're staying in london, staying in manchester and getting that engagement. she made this a priority at the g-7 conference on digital policing saying there needed be great much greater activity from the technology companies in con valley and participating with governments to identify what had become digital safe havens and disrupting them. >> let's get down to what viewers are probably concerned about. and, frankly, what many of us are. can this happen here? why is this a bigger problem, it appears, to the uk than it is for the united states? >> we are not immune to it, but

we have a lot of antibodies set up that the uk does not have. the uk muslim population has always had more of an extremism problem. they're more isolated. there's less engagele with nonmuslims. they're less economically well off and more tied to overseas issues. we simply don't have the same demographic factors in the united states. the fbi does look at investigations all across the country and there are risks like this and obviously we have cars, we have knives, we have guns. >> right. >> so we have those risks. but we never had the same degree, the same volume, the same speed of radicalization that the uk, belgium and the french have had. >> you know, the president, one of the things he tweeted this morning, tweeted a lot this morning, one of the things he tweeted is "we need to be smart, vigila vigilant and tough, need the courts to give us back our repo rights, we need the travel ban as an extra layer of safety." does it have to go with folks coming into this country or american citizens? >> if you're a hammer,

everything looks like a nail. the fact is, we have a risk but the travel ban is a hammer looking for a nail. we have a domestic issue. we have to address that domestic issue, but cases like this, that travel ban has nothing to do with it. so, yeah, we have to screen people carefully, have to look at them, but simultaneously, we do have to look at the digital landscape and some of the safe havensverseas d the immigration ban would lrnargelyo nothing on both those fronts. >> prime minister may, get the western economies together to put this pressure on silicon valley. we have a 1st amendment in this country, the uk does not. there are limits to what the united states could do if she really wants facebook or whoever to essentially police these persons. >> this is going to be a very tough one. she knows the uk, alone, doesn't have the market authority to regulate these technologies, but that's why she's trying to use the g-7. as you said, you're exactly right, whether it's end-to-end encryption or requiring reporting from some of these

technology companies, we have some legal constitutional limitations other nations don't have. and that may make it much harder for the u.s. administration to get perfectly in line with what theresa may wants. >> all right. michael leiter, sorry to see you on a sunday morning like this again. >> i am sorry to be here, too, chuck. >> thanks for sharing your insights. two other big stories this sunday. growing russia investigation and u.s. withdrawal from the paris climate agreement. former fbi director james comey, president trump said he fired for reasons that included, quote, this russia thing, testifies before the senate intelligence committee. later in the broadcast, i'll be joined by my newest colleague, megyn kelly, who interviewed russian president vladimir putin in st. petersburg, rush slsia o friday. this past friday, president trump announced the u.s. was pulling out of the paris climate accord. joining me someone who's perfectly situated to address these stories, john kerry. welcome back to "meet the press," sir. >> good morning, chuck. thank you. >> i have to start with london. you heard michael leiter, heard

a little bit of what the prime minister theresa may said. i want to focus on the specific phrase she used, mr. secrety, that tolerance of extremism has been too -- for too long, too much tolerance of this extremism in the uk. is she right? >> well, that's a judgment she's going to have to make about their own relationship with the muslim community and great britain and as michael just said, they've had a longstanding problem with respect to greater levels of alienation, a harder time assimilating into the broader british society, a lack of similar opportunity. so there are a lot of ingredients and i'm going to leave it to her and to them to sort that out particularly five days before an election. let me just say that obviously every american feels as if we were attacked also. there wasn't anybody in america

today who doesn't reach out and express our sorrow and our solidarity with the british people. but the fact is that if people want to kill themselves, this is really hard for law enforcement and i know from my own law enforcement days how hard people work and how significant the intelligence gathering and coordination component of this is. but if someone is ready to just go out and meet law enforcement bullets and die, you can take people with you. what we really need to do is focus more, i believe, not on a travel ban as michael said, tran ban will be cannon fodder to the recruiters. it's the worst thing we could do. but we do need to do -- and we do extraordinary screening, but a great deal more effort has to go into the building of community, the reaching out and working with these entities,

with these sectors o society, so thathe is not as significant a gap as there is in many parts of the world, by the way, not just in britain. all over the world. there's too much distance between the government and the people. >> do you think -- she's calling for much more pressure to be put on these digital companies. silicon valley. whether it's, you know, a what's app messaging service, facebook. there's a lot of tools that many of these groups are able to use. >> well -- >> does silicon valley need to do more -- do you think silicon valley has a greater responsibility here than they're taking? >> silicon valley has a major responsibility and most -- i mean, almost every company is engaged very directly in a dialogue with the government. we work very closely with them over the years that i was serving as secretary. but, look, that's -- i mean, daesh put out a message, it can put it out on the internet, put it out in many different ways

saying to people, during ramadan, you should attack people with cars, knives and guns. now, you know, if you turn around and just blame that message exclusively on the internet, we're making an enormous mistake. and if we reach too far without being sensitive to our own values, we give them an extraordinary victory. so there's a balance here. the bottom line is, that in too many places, in too many parts of the world, you've got a large gap between governance and people and between the opportunities those people have -- we talked about this after paris. >> right. >> we talked about this after belgium. this is the same problem of people living in isolation, not feeling as if they have a sufficient state in society, in their world, that life is worth living. if you want to take your own life, you can take other lives with you. >> mr. secretary, i want to move to the paris deal. you were intricately involved, why we invited you on the show. >> i hope it's not the only

reason. >> i know, i understand that. i want to go back in the way back machine here. the "financial times" back when you were negotiating this, here's what was said. "some experts have argued while mr. obama is making the case for a deal, there is no guarantee that his successor assuming it is a republican climate change skeptic would not walk away from a paris agreement. mr. kerry dismissed those concerns by arguing that the republicans had, quote, eliminated themselves from contention in the general election, unquote, because of their approach during the campaign on issues such as climate change." do you now regret not making this treaty ratified in the united states senate? forcing it to be codified here? >> no, i -- really not because it wouldn't have happened. that's very simple. let's be realistic about it. president made an executive agreement because that was the best we could do and we presumed that common sense, that basic economics, that science, would ultimately prevai

i don't ink anybody could ve predicted that we would have seen a story like we saw i "the new york times" today about how the republican party has traveled lock, stock and barrel into the hands of the koch brothers and special interests where they're prepared to stand up and deny science and deny facts. i mean, what does donald trump know that rex tillerson, the former ceo of exxonmobil, doesn't know? what does he know that the ch f chichief of -- that the ceo of apple, of google, of general electric, of companies all across america who urged the president not to pull out, what does donald trump know that president xi, who runs an enormous economy, or president macron or chancellor merkel or theresa may don't know? i mean, the fact is that he's still -- his whole staff cannot tell you whether or not he believes that climate change is a hoax. and i will say to you, if you truly understand the science, if you have done your due diligence

and homework, there is no way that you cannot conclude that there's an urgency to doing something and you would not pull out of paris. >> i take you on your word on that at the urgency issue. obviously you have a road block of a good chunk of americans who do not believe this urgency, you just laid out a case you think they've been misled. what could you -- >> the majority of americans -- the majority of americans support action on climate change and support stayi in paris. >> i know, but as you understand, there is a political dividend the president does feel politically secure with his base that they're comfortable with this decision. and it tells me that your message hasn't penetrated essentially red america. why? >> well, because there's an anger and a frustration in a lot of parts of america. by average folks who have felt like they're getting screwed by the government and by life over the course of the last years.

and if you look at what's happened with respect to the economic crisis in 2008 and 2009, and you look at our tax structure and you look at the favors that are done for powerful interests, and you look at the average person working harder and not getting ahead, there's every reason for people to be very angry and very disposed to put first above all their economic situation. so i'm not surprised. there's no surprise to me that you can camouflage as they are in a phony economic argument that has no relationship to the reality of what's happening in the marketplace. last year, because of paris, more money was spent on alternative renewable and sustainable development research and implementation than on fossil fuels. and when donald trump says to the world, well, we're going to negotiate a better deal, i mean, you know, he's got to go out and find a better deal that'sike -- i mean, that's like o.j. simpson saying he's

going to go out and find the real killer. everybody knows he isn't going to do that because he doesn't believe in it. if he does believe in it, he wouldn't have pulled out of paris. america has unilateral ceded this -- >> let me go back to tone and messaging again, because, again, look, we're having a -- the facts -- there's the facts and figures that demand attention. there's no doubt about it. but at the end of the day, you know this is cultural and this becomes something different. as you just very well described. but you also made -- you also said this decision was, "a decision acted with stupidity and self-destructiveness and ignorance." the reason i highlight those words is that many people in red america hear that and they think, geez, they think i'm stupid. do you think the messaging needs to change and how you talk about this and how you create a sense of urgency with this chunk of america that isn't listening to you?

>> yes. no question about it. it has to be far more focus on the economic message. i think if you look at red america, i mean, about 2.6 million to 3 million jobs that are existing in america today in a fast-growing sector of our economy and of those, 50% of them are in red states that donald trump won. so because of this decision, american leadership inhose sectors is now going to be put at risk. we could lose some of our ability to be able to grow those jobs and, in fact, lose out on the largest market of the future. the biggest market in the world in the future is going to be trillions of dollars spent in the sector of energy. and if the united states has isolated itself, now standing only with syria and with nicaragua, and nicaragua, by the way, wanted to do more. they did not sign it because they didn't like it for its, for the fact of doing it. so, look, chuck, i think that we

do have to do a better job pointing out to people how this is part of the economic future. but look, we also have to, you know, donald trump says he represents the forgotten man. >> yep. >> what about the forgotten children in america who are hospitalized in the summer because the quality of air, the environmentally-induced asthma? what about the forgotten farmer who is suffering from crop dislocation from drought? what about the forgotten citizens of new orleans who worry that the levee may break because of the rise of sea water? i mean, we have to be talking to the same forgotten people in america and make a better argument to them about exactly how their lives are negatively affect. >> secretary kerry, busy morning. i appreciate you coming on and shariing your views on this extraordinary sunday. thank you, sir. >> thank you. when we come back, we're going to hear from the trump administration on the decision to pull out of the paris agreement. epa administrator scott pruitt joins me next. but there will still be pain. it comes when your insurance company says they'll only pay

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wh president trump announced the u.s. was pulling out of the paris climate accord, he was keeping a promise he made during the campaign. as you heard from john kerry, earlier, not everyone was happy he did that. epa administrator scott pruitt with with the president on thursday when he made the . announcement at the white house. and he joins me now. mr.ho administrator, welcome to "meet the press." >> chuck, good morning. t >> why did almost 200 other countries sign this agreement and why do you think the united states should have gotten out of it? >> engagement internationally on these issues, chuck, is very, very important. the united states has shown a history of engagement. as you know, back in the plait 1990s, the administration entered into the kyoto protocol and 2000 to 2014, this country saw a reduction in co 2 emissions over 18% through leadership, innovation, technology. having that discussion internationally, we're part of the u.n. that had a treaty ratified in 1992. this goes back almost two decades. >> we pulled in and out kyoto. >> we did in 2001..

but the framework in 1992, is something we're still part of it. the discussions two back for more than two decades. >> so are you advocating now that essentially even though we pulled out of the paris agreement, it's still going to govern some goals here?nt >> paris is a bad deal for this country. the president made clear on friday we're going to have an america-first strategy with respect to the environment and international agreements.ecio but he also said that engagement, discussion, international discussion and dialogue around co-2 emissions is something we should continued chuck, i think what's important here, we're at pre-1994 levels today with respect to our co 2 footprint. as i indicated, the time we exited kyoto in 2001, we reduced our emissions by over 18% in this country. we led the world -- >> so kyoto a success i'm confused because we pulled out of kyoto. > kyoto didn't prompt the 18 reduction. it was american innovation and technology that prompted the ha reductions in co 2. that's where the focus should be as far as discussions.

>> there seemed to be an implication during your back and forth with the white house president corps that the rest of the world wanted the united states in it to slow down the united states. do you believe that? >> i believe -- i think the very much so put us in an economic advantage. >> i understand.. do you think that was intentional?t >> i think the rest of the world applauded what we did in paris. we have to go back -- >> why would they applaud it? >> because they put us at economic disadvantage. >> you think the globe, these countries got together to slow e down the united states economically? >> why did china and india not have to take any steps until 2030??atat why didid india condition theiro 2 productions upon receiving $2.2 trillion in aid in the agreement? we were going to take steps frontloading our cost while the rest of the world waited to reduce their co 2 footprint. that's the reason they put us at an economic disadvantage internationally. but chuck, here's the deal. we have led, as i've indicated, this effort since year 2000 with

reductions in the co 2 footprint and pre-1994 levels today. not because of paris, not because of kyoto, but because of american ingenuity and novation. >> i'm struck. you truly believe that many of these countries signed on to paris and were trying to get ths united states to sign on to it for economic reasons? >> if you look at the criticismo that was levied against paris in 2015, there was as much criticism on the environmental left as there was on the right. >> sure.he some thought it should have gone further. >> i'll tell you why. they were upset. in fact, james hansen, former nasa scientist, as you know, called paris a fake and a fraud. the general counsel of the sierra club contemporaneously to pariss being signed, the agreement.t. the reason they said those things is because the rest of the world, china and india in particular, largest polluters we have on the planet didn't have to take any steps until after 2030 and the united states front loaded the cost through things like the clean power plan, other

rules here domestically that contracted our economy. b it's been estimated, as you know, it's been estimated by the heritage study that it would cause a contraction of $2.5 trillion of gross domesti product over 10 years. >> that assumed -- that made up a lot of negative assumptions. you wanted to make assumptions that didn't anticipate job growth in other industries like solar, like the innovation woul anticipate other job growth tha would balance out. here's what al gore said to me r earlier when i interviewed him about this issue. >> the loss of jobs in the coal industry started with the e mechanization of the coal industry. natural gas started displacing coal and the fossil fuel sector. and promising to re-create the 19th century is not a visionary strategy for a successful 21st century. >> is hee right that you guys ae making a false promise, though, to some of these fossil fuel industries? >> dead wrong. the numbers show the exact opposite. since the fourth quarter of lash year to most recently, added

almost 50,000 jobs in the coal sector. in the month of may, alone, almost 7,000 jobs. here's what's key about our power grid in this country. you have to have fuel diversity chuck, because if we go to an all renewables, all natural ga type of proeapproach, if there' attack on the transportation network, there only so much natural gas that can go into that facility to generate electricity. we need solidwe hydrocarbons on site to draw down on peak demand and threats to our grid.d. fuel diversity, stability, consistency is key to the manufacturing base. it's also key, by the way, to keeping costs low. our price per kilowatt in this country is far less than what it is in germany, far less what it is in europe. we need to keep that approach. >> one other argument you made against this deal is that you o thought, boy, it should have been ratified, should have been debated in the public, it should have been sent to the united states senate. k you know who had the power to do that? your administration had the power to do that.

you could haved changed the de, gone to the united states senate and done what you said should have been done. have a full throated debate with the american people. you chose not to do that, why? >> the decision not to send it to the senate was made by the former administration. >> i understand. you could have changed things. you guys could have done it. >> the focus of this administration is the merits and demerits of the palace accord. the demerits, efficacy, environmental outcomes was a bad deal for this country. the prident said he'going to put america first in trade, national security anborder security, put america first in contracting the reach of ng washington, d.c. he's going to put america first with respect to the environment and international agreements. and chuck, i think what's being missed in all this, the president said on friday paris we're getting out of g because represents a bad e deal. targets set by the previous administration, ou26% to 28% reductions in greenhouse gases. >> you can change thosdue targe. >> not under the afwreemt. >> you could have. >> the 26% to 28% reduction in

the agreement, the former administration, all the rules they enacted, every rule as part of their climate action agenda, still fell 40% short of those targets. you shay kay couthey could is b. in the agreement, there are provisions thatu say they haveo be revisited every five years. why did russia set their targets in a baseline of 1990 to keep e nitting? why did india condition -- >> is it fair to say -- this was a political decision in this respect. >> it was not a political decision. it was a right for this countr, chuck. this was a -- this was a decision that was right for thik country from a jobs perspective, economy perspective and environmental perspective. >> this is not wanting to be involved in a multilateral agreement. if the united nations -- >> that isista not accurate. >> would there have been more openness to this deal? >> the president said very he clearly on friday that he is open and actually wants to engage in discussion with respect to international agreements onh co 2 reduction, not paris. paris represents a bad deal for this country. >>ct you believe co 2 is the primary cause -- >> co 2 contributes to climate

change much like -- methane actually is more potent. >> you don't believe co 2 -- >> i didn't say that. i said it'ss a cause. >> primary? >> a causese. of many. like methane and waterui vacher and the best. >> scott pruitt, i appreciate you coming on. >> thank you. >> back in a moment with much or more on the three big stories we're following this morning, the terror attack in london. climate agreement and james comey'tempt that comeson week on the russia te investigation. later,n. hillary clinton provided a lot of reasons why she believes she lost the 2016 election but there was one reason a lott of people were waiting for that they never heard. >> i take responsibility for every decision i made. but that's not why i lost. ♪ ♪ ♪

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protection for what that's worth. and finally "we need to be smart, vigilant and tough. we need the courts to give us back our rights. we need the travel ban for safety." hugh hewitt, you are a -- somebody that worked at the justice department. you know about legal arguments. this is in front of the supreme court. should he have tweeted the phrase, "travel ban"? >> yes. i think he's raising the ante in getting the court to more more quickly on the disposition. he is fairly confident that the fourth circuit decision is wrong, however, the first tweet is the tweet i like. there is an alliance within the alliance. an attack on one of those five, we always bemoan and rightly so any attack anywhere in the world. but new zealand, australia, canada, united kingdom, and u.s., are the five alliances. he should stick to the high road on this. nothing else. >> he's already attacked the mayor of london. >> he has. i mean, never before in our history have we seen a president of the united states confirming something ahead of his own national security council forwarding things that are printed on "drudge" about a

terror attack and one of our dearest alliances in london. so, number one. nuer two, he's piticizing it by attacking mayor of london, yor of london saying no reason for alarm. he's trying to calm his citizens. and the president is making -- essentially making fun of that. and then he's politicizing it by bringing up the travel ban. forget the legal argument. what does it in the supreme court by saying the ban is a ban even though they're arguing that it's not a ban. >> right. >> politicizing a moment of a terror attack has never been done before by a president of the united states. >> michael, i want to get to the second part of this and it's what theresa may said and something michael leiter and i touched on, this idea, she said there's been too much tolerance of the extremism in the uk for too long and put it on silicon valley, day nethey need a littl more help there. that's going to create some tricky conversations. >> i completely agree with that. this is a case where -- i'm sorry. i'm sorry.

i'm sorry. >> that's all right. >> heather. jump in here. we're going to have the civil liberties conversation. they're going to have it in the uk. we have a first amendment. they don't. they can do some things we can't do. >> that's right. i think this is a question of context, balance and approach. we have been so fortunate. i mean, i live in new york city. i would never have believed about how safe that i feel even today. after september 11th. this is a moment for the people of the uk where they're experiencing heightened sense of fragility walking into bars and concerts and crossing the street on the bridge. and yet at the same time i know that people in the communities of color in this country are also seeing that president and the right-wing are ignoring domestic extremism here in the united states whether or not it's the young man who was a person who is in the military, who was killed by a white supremacist or the veteran who stepped in obviously in portland, oregon.

so i think that there is a broad conversation to have about administration that is tolerating right-wing extremism and hate as well as obviously the continued threat of a war that we're continuing to not prosecute well overseas. >> michael. >> i think being tough on terrorism means very different thins. it means going after sources of intelligence. but it means engaging the muslim community in a way that actually encourages their cooperation in this. there is no way to do the war on terror while you're alienating that community. i think that that's what donald trump has risked in america. >> all right. i want to shift to the paris agreement here. i know there is a partisan divide. why is there a partisan -- why are we the only western country, hugh, where the conservative movement in this country is more skeptical of climate change than the conservative movements in canada, in the uk, in france, in

germany? >> i'm not skeptical of climate change and i thought secretary kerry was perfectly contemptuous of conservatives and rule of law conservatives especially and you nailed it on him, chuck, said this did not go to the senate. the montreal protocol as secretary shultz likes to point out was a key and effective anticipation of the necessary global movement. it was submitted to the senate. it was ratified 83-0 in 1988. when president obama chose not to go to the senate, it was an -- and the dismissiveness of science. >> you're dismissing actually the majority of republican voters who want to see action on climate change. the real partisan divide is the republican politicians who have been paid by fossil fuel industry to absolutely deny what for this country is the single biggest opportunity to generate we wealth in the 21st century. we invented solar in this country. now we are at risk of seeing china being the one to give its people tens of millions of green jobs. >> both sides have some problems here. there are some who claim that

this voluntary relatively modest treaty is going to destroy the economy like donald trump and some that it will save the world. actually neither of those is true. we got a reality where we have a certain amount of coal and natural gas of the ground. we can't take out 80% of it or 50% of natural gas and the only way that that works is when you have a cost effective alternative. the only way that happens is when you have technological innovation. and that's where i think people could agree on this. >> by the way -- go ahead. >> i was just going to say, solar will soon be the cheapest source of electricity on the planet. we are hampering ourselves from what could be the biggest opportunity to address inequality, create millions of jobs for the next generation that is looking out at this job climate and not seeing any other opportunity of green job >> i talked to al gore and john kerry. you heard john kerry. i talked to al gore. al gore, while upset about the decision to get out of paris is optimistic that the coalition of democratic governors and mayors and ceos of america are essentially going to do paris without the federal government. john kerry is much more

pessimistic. who's right? >> well, actually, that is what i was going to address to hugh's comment that you mentioned that kerry was dismissive to rule of law conservatives. well, there are a lot of rule of law conservatives who didn't want to get out of the paris agreement. you're making a process argument. you don't like the way we got into it, so you're taking us out of it. that argument doesn't hold up. so why penalize the country -- >> the constitution has a process argument. >> even if you don't -- >> the constitution is fundamentally -- >> hugh, you're penalizing the country because of that argument. wait. i'm not done. i'm not done. as a result, there are mayors and governors and heads of major manufacturers and oil companies, many of whom are republicans who want to stay in the agreement because they see what it means for our economy and our competitiveness. >> i get that. but the argument that needs to be made -- >> that's what al gore is getting at. this is going to happen anyway.

we're going to make -- the country is going to continue to move forward in developing the technologies and meeting our targets regardless of what donald trump does and says. he's advocated his leadership. we have not advocated america's leadership. consensus via contempt. 75 years ago this week was the battle of midway. it's a turning point. i want to connect the two stories. this country cannot effectively prosecute the war on terror if half the discussions begin with contempt of conservatives and people who have a different point of view. at the end of the second battle, churchill said this is not the beginning of the end but the end of the beginning. we have to get to a beginning. >> we're talking about the planet right now and the future. >> but conservatives disagree with what donald trump did. >> i'm going to pause it here. and we are -- i promise you we'll pick it up, but i have bills to pay. i promise you. back in a moment. i also have the newest member of the nbc family, megyn kelly, who just sat down with russia president vladimir putin. [ sighs ] hey, i was using that.

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welcome back. perhaps u heard at megyn kelly joined nbc news. well, she has and on friday she interviewed vladimir putin in st. petersburg, russia. the full interview will air tonight on the debut of "sunday night with megyn kelly." the good news is, megyn joins me now from new york. megyn, welcome, officially. >> thank you. >> welcome to sunday mornings. and welcome to sundays in general. look, you had a fascinating conversation with him within the time that he's flirting on and off about whether russians were involved or not. it was sort of a fascinating 48 hours that you spent with him. >> absolutely right. an in our time together, he changed his position yet again, chuck, on who was responsible for the hacking of our election. all along it had been it's not us or i don't know what you're talking about. i haven't heard anything about this. then it changed to maybe it was

patriotic russian hackers whom i had nothing to do with, and then in our sit-down it went into it was the americans and a new conspiracy theory was floated which you'll hear tonight on the show. but i had the chance to ask him about a range of subjects from sanctions to syria and then we got into some of the specifics about this alleged interference with our election. i asked him all about jared kushner, president trump's son-in-law, what connections they have had and what they have discussed and i asked him specifically about somebody else very much in the news, that is president trump's now fired naonal security aiser general michael flynn. listen. he came over here for a dinner, a fphoto of which has been widey circulated in american media. what was the nature of your relationship with him? >> translator: you and i, you and i personally have a much closer relationship than i had with mr. flynn. you and i met yesterday evening. you and i have been working together all day today and now we're meeting again.

when i came to the event for our company, russia today, and sat down at the table, next to me there was a gentleman sitting on one side. i made my speech. then we talked about some other stuff and i got up and left. and then afterwards i was told you know that was an american gentleman, he was involved in some things, he used to be the security services. that's it. i didn't even really talk to him. that's the extent of my acquaintance with mr. flynn. >> the laugh there, meg where, n, that's something else. but he also kept referencing your family on and off and some people interpreted that in different ways. how did you interpret that? >> some people thought he was making a threat because mentioned my daughter yardly and mentioned i had three kids. i didn't take it that way at all. what the viewers didn't know is the day before we sat down for his economic forum and our one-on-one interview, he and i spent a long time together along with prime minister modi of

india and exchanged information about our families. he talked about his family. it was off the record. i won't get into it. he talked lovingly about his family. i talked lovingly about mine. i take that as a reference -- off camera he had been very gracious. >> that is good to here. all right, megyn, welcome, congrats. >> thank you. >> looking forward to tonight. >> glad to be here. in case you missed the point, megyn's show "sunday night with megyn kelly" airs tonight. when we come back, end game and the one thing we didn't hear this week from hillary clinton. >> coming up, "meet the press" end game and postgame, brought to you by boeing. always working to build something better. so when i need to book a hotel room, i want someone that makes it easy to find what i want. booking.com gets it. and with their price match, i know i'm getting the best price every time. now i can start relaxing even before the vacation begins.

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you can't, you know, little marco is different from the secretary -- the director of the fbi. and we have a situation where he has -- had an on going criminal investigation and has offended a sense of dignity in this manner that is going to come back to haunt the president. >> this is a self inflicted wound. take him at his word. he seems offended that this takes away from his victory and motivates him? >> yeah. and managed to threaten comey along the way saying i hope there are no audiotapes of our conversations. so i think that this testimony will be the most watched testimony at least in my lifetime. and i think comey does have the credibility to lay out his case. we'll hear it for the first time coming out of his mouth what he

potentially wrote in the memos. it has potential to change this country. >> marches across the country on saturday, this march for truth, that was really about a fundamental question about democracy. can you get so lost in the weeds of the map of connections betweem russia and the trump administration. but stepping back, what is the right-wing's approach to democracy? the same people who can be okay with election interference or say that didn't happen and also with voter suppression? are we a country of we the people where the vote matters or are we a country where it's okay to wink and nod and to do whatever you can to grab power? and that's what i think a lot of people, frankly, many of the hundred million people that didn't vote are feeling about the way that powerful people see democracy right now. >> hugh? will president trump one day realize the biggest mistake he made was firing james comey? >> no. it may than he didn't fire him on the first day. director comey testified ten days before his firing.

i'm going to watch thursday for the consistency with that declaration that there was no interference with his investigation. there has to be consistency. >> that question was, by the way, i heard a lot of people misinterpret that answer. he was answering a question specifically about the justice department. he was not -- no, it's about the justice department. that was about the justice department. >> he'll distinguish his conversation as note taking. that very tricky waters for him. i'll also look to see, tonight with megyn, putin goes after the 2% rise that donald trump denied nato. that does not consistent with a russia interference. i want to remind people. that's what drives him crazy, donald trump is demanding a 2% rise in nato. that is counterintuitive. >> i've been teasing this hillary clinton thing. stephanie cutter, you worked a lot with the clintons on and off. it seems as if she gets

criticized when she doesn't speak her mind. she spoke her mind. a lot of people are upset that she's in the weeds too much on a lot of factors and not enough self-reflection. where is she? where is her head? >> i think there is a lot of reflection and some self reflection. what i find ironic about all of this is she's being asked what happened during the election, what do you think the reasons were and she's answering them. nothing that she's saying is being disagreed with. she is actually right. the press did treat her e-mails like a national emergency. the press did treat her differently than donald trump. she admits there was some mistakes made. but one of the biggest contributing factors to her loss was why comey did with those memos. none of that is disputed. >> we're going to hear a lot about that as another angle of thursday's testimony. that will be fascinating. i'm out of time. that's all we have for today. we appreciate you. we'll be back next week, because as you know, if it's sunday, it's "meet the press."

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