from a vile enemy that has waged war on innocent life and it's gone on too long. this blood shed must end. this blood shed will end. >> president trump speaking at a gala at forbes theater in washington. he said he had spoken with british prime minister theresa may and offered condolences for saturday's terror attacks in london. but it's his response in the immediate aftermath of the attack that pits him against the mayor of that city. we'll talk about that. plus we're three days away from perhaps the biggest political event since the election. fired fbi director james comey testifies on thursday on capitol hill. good morning, everyone. >> we ned one of those cnn countdown clocks. >> we have our own. trust me, we do countdown clocks. >> do they have one already? i love it. it's great. it makes me frantic.

get the clock so i know something big is coming. >> just right now. >> bernie sanders haircut. 72 hours 38 minutes away. particul tick tick tick tick tick. >> we often do, too. it's silly. anyhow it happens. senior an plis mark halperin president of council on foreign relations and author of book "a world in disarray" richard haass and sally -- >> you look and she looks very shaken. >> reeling. >> reeling. >> i'm reeling this time of the morning. >> you're reeling because it's so early this morning. there was this incredible meme yesterday that somebody alerted me to, things this make britain real. >> did you see the police officer reeling, went to the concert and a policeman dancing around and a load of tweets

saying this is the brits reeling. >> we'll talk about this. >> toilet paper the wrong way, this makes prettyan real. putting tea in your microwave, that makes britain real. >> be careful about the microwave. "washington post" david ignatius joins us from washington. >> david -- >> i'm reeling. >> you have a reason to reel. you just spent a lot of time in russia. in the immortal words of john lennon, "strange days indeed." tell us about it. >> there's a sense in moscow and st. petersburg both of triumphalism, is the only word i can use. they see america down, russia up. they are almost laughing at our troubles. they make jokes about statements from senator mccain or other members of congress saying russia has conducted attacks on our political system. i've never seen anything quite

like it. a country really on the ropes, feels our time has returned and sees our trouble as their success. >> we'll play comments from vladimir putin over the weekend in moments. first begin with the president's response to saturday's terror attacks in london. in the hours after the attack, president trump posted a series of tweets. he began by saying, quote, we need the courts to give us back our rights. we need the travel ban as an extra level of safety. >> got to stop there. got to stop there. because richard haass, i have been saying for weeks now you can't go back to what he said in december a 2015 after wading back and through the courts but you certainly can look at that tweet. what a dope, to actually -- he just basically gave the supreme court of the united states all

the ammunition they needed to uphold the lower court rulings. because while his people have been running out saying it's not a travel ban and it's constitutional, he in the most extraordinary way undercuts his own case. >> thank you, mr. president. >> it's a two-fer. he did just what you said. the courts have fairly recent evidence the ban is a ban. on the substance a non sequitur. the idea a travel ban is going to protect you against home grown. >> it's almost as if isis is trolling donald trump in the people they use to be terrorist in that they are all home grown. almost all of them are home grown. he keeps talking about walls and travel bans. his own administration, they can't even figure out if it's a

travel ban or not. >> it is, right? >> let's go back to the issue of this travel ban. >> well, first of all, it's not a travel ban. i think secretary or one of the individuals from dhs,ening a million people have come into this country. that's not a ban. >> this is not a travel ban, a temporary pause that allows us to better review the existing refugee and visa vetting system. >> when we use words like travel ban, that misrepresents what it is. >> this was president trump yesterday, if the ban were announced with a one-week notice, they would rush into the country. >> he's using the words the media is using. hold on. >> the words the president using. we need a travel ban. >> as an extra level of safety. >> that would have really helped in london. >> this has happened in london quite a few times, home grown attacks. >> we've had three attacks in three months. the reaction in london has been

against his other tweets, particularly citizen of the mayor of london. >> here we go. minutes later he offered condolences, whatever the united states can do to help out the uk. we will be there. we are with you. god bless you. yesterday morning donald trump criticized the mayor of london. at least seven dead and 48 wounded in terror attack and mayor of london says no reason to be alarmed. gave an interview yesterday morning, here is what he said. >> just like terrorist evolving finding new ways to disrupt us, attack us, the police and experts finding new ways to keep us safe. london will see an increased police presence today and over the next few days. no reason to be alarmed. >> so he completely.

-- not only does he assault our most important ally, undermine the most special of all of our relationships, he actually gets the quote wrong. he wretches it from the proper context. >> we look at it in england. i guess we're no longer surprised. a few months ago we were surprised and shocked. we're not surprised and shocked. the mood in london is kind of appearingry. what are you saying? absolute nonsense. a huge swell of support for sadiq khan and obviously reflects padly on the president. what planet is he on? it's really damaging. >> mark halperin, what planet is he on? this is what we talked about, feared for quite sometime when donald trump using his tweets to attack meryl streep or attack sports franchises or whoever he decided to attack. what happens if he's president

and uses twitter to attack our alli allies. you can see what happened in germany. you can see his attacks against merkel. now an attack against our most important ally in their time of need. you just wonder, why can't somebody in the white house -- why can't somebody in his orbit, why can't melania go in there and take the phone and break it in half. >> when are they doing to learn. >> top five of his worst cluster of tweets as president, for all the reasons he said, also his own interest you pointed out using the phrase travel ban. a good tweet word because it's om three letters. justify using it. >> donald, i know you don't watch, so i'm not talking to you, you do realize you just keep hurting your self. you hurt your self on the travel

ban. every politician you attack in europe, you elect them, whether it's macron or whether -- you're now doing to elect angela merkel. put a crown on his head because of you. he doesn't realize everything he does backfires against him. he's really undermined himself with the travel ban, and he's really turned the mayor of london into a hero. >> he shook up the relationship on a range of front with his trip to europe. then in the context of these tweets is, a lot of unsettled feeling toward united states and american leadership. these tweets only, as has been suggested, only make people in the united kingdom or elsewhere look at him and wonder is he really the leader of the alliance. >> richard, ambassadors have spoken with, foreign leaders i've spoken with have said we're

doing our best to sort through this. we know americans are our allies, but it is hard dealing with a guy at the top like this. >> you had one of those amazing moments in american foreign policy, one or two days, big conference in asia, shangri-la conference. the secretary of defense jim mattis had to tell the assembled, quote, bear with us. bear with us. they were complaining about everything the president was saying and doing and about all aspects of foreign policy. most recently paris pact. the fact secretary of defense had to plead for time, that's where we are now. >> speaking of secretary mattis, david ignatius in a moment, trump's reaction to the terror attacks was in contrast to the response to his secretary of defense james mattis. >> i don't know enough about it yet, the details. let me get up to date and i'll talk to you on the plane. >> what -- the london police saying this is a terrorist attack, two dead, dozens

wounded. >> i need to confirm everything. i like learning about something before i talk. let me look spoke it. >> really? that's good. at least someone in the white house does. >> david ignatius, that's actually how leaders usually act. secretary mattis is the best of the best. >> it's not funny, though. >> that's classic mattis. i've heard him say that more than once. could we please get the facts before i spat out an opinion. mattis is in a really difficult position. he is trying very hard to maintain his contact with the white house, not get out of state with the president. he never knows where he's stepping. be a responsible leader for the military. he's walking that fine line every day. i think it's going to get more and more difficult, where he feels he has to speak out. i think he really doesn't want to. he'd really like to keep it zipped. he's used to being a general and

keeping it zipped. this triple straig illustrated difficult that's getting. corgi out raids this morning, so far 12 people arrested in east london. saturday's violence marked the third incident on british soil in as many months. speaking yesterday prime minister theresa may called on citizens to unite against attacks like these. >> while we have made significant progress in recent years, there is, to be frank, far too much toll rhythm of extremism in our country. so we need to become far more robust identifying it and stamping it out across public sector and across society. that will require some difficult and often embarrassing conversations. but the whole of our country needs to come together to take on this extremism, and we need to live our lives not in a series of separated, segregated

communities but as one truly united kingdom. we must not and cannot pretend things can continue the way they are. >> theresa may was seen as tough secretary, a position she more than anybody else was able to hold onto because it was such a difficult position. it's ironic it comes up the election, a series of attacks now. >> it's clearly she's hoping going to play to her reputation as tough home secretary. she came out and made this strong statement, enough is enough. however i found enough is enough a slightly odd phrase to use, seems to suggest a certain amount is tolerable and now enough is enough. lalg out some things, relook at terrorism strategy, stronger

sentences. she wants it clamp down on tech companies. she wants an international agreement. she says we need to have a conversation. these guys need to do more. that is for all of us going to be one of the big subjects. >> it really is a new frontier. we have police in the street should be policing this spire world online. >> that's right. i think it rapidly comes up to something quite dangerous. what is their responsibility? what are we doing to say they should be policing. kind of infringement on free speech. >> another interesting thing about her saying enough is enough the fact she has been one of the longest serving home secretaries. this has pena nieto -- >> that's something the leader of the opposition who, as you know, has been surging in the polls was quick to jump on. he was saying we have a police source strapped of sources. jumped on she has been home secretary, this is her bailiwick. >> if you have 3,000 people considered by metropolitan

police and scotland yard to be hardened jihadist, 20,000 people close to that circle, can you think about the coverage, the monitoring, movements of these individuals, the conversations, even in the most intrusive societies. the scale of the police -- you can be successful 99.9% of the time and you will have the sort of thing you saw the last couple of days. the scale of this problem, the nature of this problem is truly worry make. >> the question, though, why britain? is it the election coming up? >> who knows? return isis fighters. i fear this kind of low tech attack is something that -- i hate to say this, part of the new normal. at some point what are you going to do? as richard says, level of surveillance, not what france is doing, france has essentially got a state of emergency pretty much after its attacks, do we want to live in those kinds of

societies. >> again, you look at the attacks. you look at the attack at the manchester concert, it wasn't inside. it was the outside. it was the outers rings. the security force is holding up. but 10 blocks out? how far out do you go? same with airports. >> let's go to our correspondent bill neely with the latest from there. bill. >> just picking up on richard's point, i'm reminded it's the i.r.a. that bomb the streets of london in 1970s and '80s. have you to be lucky every time. we only have to be lucky once. police and security services here are doing 500 active investigations involving 3,000 suspects. there are another 20,000 people of interest to them. they are stretched and they are struggling. you played a bite of theresa may. she's spoken in the last few

minutes and said, indeed, the police know the identities of three attackers. she is coming under a good deal of pressure. as you were saying, she says enough is enough just like she said brexit means brexit. the problem is what exactly does that mean? what is enough is enough? what happens next? more police numbers? she was tough, in power five years. she was also responsible for five years and for a year as prime minister and these attacks are only growing. so she is coming under criticism. tough questions, too, for the police and the security services because this does seem to be some evidence that they were monitoring a group of men which may have contained one or more of these men in london in recent months. what exactly did they know and when did they know it and why didn't they intervene sooner. certainly when they did intervene, you can question within eight minutes of that

first emergency call the police have killed all three of these attackers and that has to count as success. what came before? after the manchester attack the police said there would be a review of their intelligence, same for security services. i think you'll see another review after this. meanwhile just very briefly, six properties being searched in london this morning. eleven people still being questioned. seven women and four men. the police do know the identities of the three attackers and will be releasing those names later in the day. back to you. >> all right. thank you so much, bill. davidignatius, i'm just curious, what are you hearing from your contacts with the cia and other int agencies across the world about how wide they can spread their dragnet. so what happens, we have a bombing. somebody said, yes, police were tracking him as a possible extremist. you just heard. 20,000 people of interest in great britain. you can't keep 20,000 people

under lock and key. what's the balance there? what are the new strategies moving forward that you're hearing about? >> what i'm hearing is a desire to be more aggressive, to go after these networks coming out of raqqa, mosul, other places where isis has been active. there is a phrase that's used among counter-terrorism professionals, left of boom. in other words, moving before the bomb goes off, before the devastating attack takes place in manchester or london. you move left of it. you intervene earlier. you know more about the people. i think it's one reason we're going to see the attempt to take isis out of raqqa and syria and fn issue the battle ansell rate. people want to take those sanctuaries, planning areas out and then do after the people who squirt out -- try to make their way back to europe. you're seeing the french already go into some of these battle

spaces very specifically going after french nationals who went into syria to fight the jihad, to stop them before they come back. >> actually killing french nationals on the battlefield. >> moving in and killing them. identifying them and taking them out where they find very aggressive actions. it illustrates this left of boom idea. let's move now, intervene, go to little conspiratorial cells and stop them now before we have to deal with them enmanchestin man london. >> jim mattis used the phrase isolation, what we want to do to isis. they are industrial recruiting and radicalizing over the internet. exactly right. this is part of the woodwork. the question is how you deal with it. we shouldn't kid ourselves there's a solution. even if we were to kill 99% of these people on the battlefield, there still can be thousands of people already here in places like britain and france and

belgium who have already been radicalized. >> the thing we have to understand is, the more successful we are in the battle field, the more they scatter, the more they go back to their home countries and the challenge goes from raqqa to london to paris to belgium. >> the more they are radicalized. two previous post 9/11 presidents, bush and obama, were on two tracks. one aggressive military track, strikes in afghanistan, also track to change the long-term relationship between the west and islam. we currently now the second track is in disarray or doesn't exist and that's a longer term problem. >> all right. up next vladimir putin floats conspiracy theories as he battles back questions over interfering with the presidential election. that and much more still ahead on "morning joe." ♪ ♪

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megyn kelly, president vladimir putin denied russia interfered in the american election. it's hard to say that with a straight face. >> this time bringing in conspiracy theories to back his defense. >> translator: there's a theory that kennedy's assassination was arranged by the intelligence service, if this theory is correct and can't be ruled out, what can be easier in this day and age than using all the technical means at the disposal of the intelligence services and using those means to organize some attacks and then pointing the finger at russia. i will tell you something that you probably already know, i don't want to hurt anyone's feelings, but the united states, everywhere, all over the world, actively interferes with electoral campaigns of other countries. put your finger anywhere on the map of the world and everywhere

you'll hear complaints american officials are interfering in internal electoral processes. doesn't sound like that, a statement of fact. every action had an equal and opposite reaction. i repeat, we don't even have to do that in the grand scheme of things we don't care who is the head of the united states. we know more or less what is going to happen. in this regard, even if we wanted to, it wouldn't make sense for us to interfere. >> distracted. >> strange but -- >> we're very estranged. >> want to say hi to him. >> no, i don't want to say hi. >> hi, donald. >> no, i don't. >> we're a little disappointed to the least. donald trump tweeting out, people, the lawyers and the courts can call it whatever they want, but i am calling it what we need, and it is what it is, a travel ban in full caps.

>> last time we talked about how that was in question, he said those things during the campaign, would they hold up in court. >> he's doubling down, mark halperin. again -- >> adverse interests. >> adverse interest, a statement against interest. >> it makes the courts, makes it substantially easier for the court. >> thank you, mr. president, because i don't agree with the travel ban. >> this way you have an issue you can keep in american politics. >> he's helping me out. >> i agree with you on some instances. this one they need a good ruling. >> he makes it really hard, makes it really hard. anyway, so thank you for watching, mr. president. now, onto david ignatius. david, you heard what vladimir putin said. he just obviously can't take anything he says at face value but what do you take out of that interview? >> i think megyn kelly has his number. he was cooler in that one-on-one

interview than he had been a few minutes or hour or two before when he was appearing before a huge crowd in st. petersburg. i was in the audience and watched megyn kelly go after his question after question. he went after it. there is a way putin has a sarcastic, snide way when he gets cornered. it all came out with sharp muttering about you need to take a pill, lady. this is all hysterical. >> he does sound like his counterpart in the united states, donald trump. >> basically this whole performance of putin's was he never once criticized donald trump on climate change. >> of course not. >> i don't want to make judgments about president trump. well, you can understand what president trump means. so the bromance continues.

he does look like the ex-kgb officers every time he talks. he goes back to the services, what the services do. insinuate cia involvement in the kennedy assassination, then justifying any russian activity, really could actually be the cia behind the scenes doing it. it's classic. he is, i have to say after a week in russia, he is very popular with russians. this pugnacious, in your face style of his, we're back, deal with this, russians love it. he's popular, above 80% anyway. >> wow. >> since 1981, richard, you know when the soviet union dissolved, this is a country whose foreign policy has been driven by resentments. this is the high watermark sense the soviet union collapsed in 1991. >> exactly right.

25 years the soviets and russians have been driven by humiliation. whether losing cold war, nato enlargement, you name it. >> by the way, we have a new donald trump tweet saying -- >> oh, my god. >> saying the justice department should have stayed with original travel ban not the watered down politically correct version they submitted to the supreme court. this is the man who wants the supreme court to overturn his travel ban so, like you said, he can attack courts. get nothing done, just attack everybody. >> create hate. >> be a loser but be a loser where you can attack everybody, being 0-for-4. >> back to putin again, the way he toyed in a sense with the american audience during that intervi interview, there was a sense of self-satisfaction. you're right, he's 80% in the polls. he did what he did in ukraine and got away with it, syria, can use force decisively in contrast

with the united states. here is the united states going through stuff domestically. he's in total control. in a different situation. he's enjoying the moment. that's what came through the interview, he exuded superfund satisfaction. >> zanny, where does this leave britain, the rest of europe where you have china who actually is trying to have influence. >> stepping up to its global role, increasingly. leaves angela merkel as the would be leader of the free world, if you would, absolutely aghast at what's going on, treating allies bad. it leaves britain in an uncomfortable place. we're leaving eu. where are we? we used to be the bridge between the european union and united states. we're now on our way out of the eu. do we want to cozy up to donald trump? obviously traditional close allies but puts theresa may in a tough position. >> a lot of russian money in london, what's the impact of

that on policy? >> exactly. it's home to russian money but hasn't prevented uk from being tough on sanctions. uk has traditionally played a role of being a loud voice in the western alliance. now opposition is much, much trickier because of this gap between president trump and the rest of europe. >> the worst possible moment, not that there's a good one for brexit, leaving eu in europe when it's beginning to gain momentum, but no special relationship because of donald trump. it's adrift. >> exhibit 1 of money in london. go and see chelsea stay and stay in four seasons of moscow which happens to be in the middle of london. you walk in and it is -- >> watching chelsea may not be bad element of russian money. >> well, my son is a huge

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and is comey going to be able to testify, there's been some talk. >> there's been some talk. i believe the white house has backed off some call of executive privilege since clearly the president himself has commented about this. frankly, no matter what you

thought about jim comey, the fact that the president disparaged him with comments in front of the russians is just unacceptable. i want to know what kind of pressure, appropriate and inappropriate. how many conversations he had with the president about this topic. did some of the conversations take place before the president was sworn in. i think jim comey deserves to have his day in court since the president has disparaged him so much. >> that's vice president of senate intelligence committee mark warner speaking yesterday. senator warner will be our guest on "morning joe" this wednesday. that's the day the senate will question director of national intelligence dan coats and admiral rogers. then the main event is thursday when fired fbi director james comey will speak in open session. >> we'll continue that in a little bit. first we have to talk about what's been happening this morning. donald trump apparently responding to something he saw on tv. mark halperin, it really is

remarkable donald trump has doubled down twice in the past 30 minutes or so talking about the, quote, travel ban. we said early on he did nothing but complain play into his oppod calling it a travel ban. i'm calling it what it is, a travel ban. then he took it a step further with an extraordinarily undisciplined tweet attacking his own justice department and saying that they should have stayed with their original travel ban, which would have never passed the constitutional sniff test. so what's he doing? >> what just happened? >> what's he doing here? >> well, richard's theory is as good as any i can come up with. he thinks he's lose in court, trying to rally his base, which he does. you and i disagreed whether or not he's going to win in court. i think now his chances of winning are somewhat lowered. he's left attacking his own

justice department for a decision that was signed off oppose by the white house. >> i thought he would win, but this throws that deeply into doubt, richard. not only is he preparing for the loss, not only is he getting ready to throw the courts under the bus, but now he's attacking his own justice department and his own advisers who said, mr. president, we need to actually redraft this so it will be seen as constitutional by the supreme court. >> this just shows working in this administration can be a dangerous place to be. it's not going to make recruiting any easier, not going to make retention easier across the board. loyalty has got to be a two-way street. loyalty has to be rewarded by loyalty. this the opposite of loyalty. >> let's bring in former fbi clint watts. on this point, people working in the dod, people working in other agencies, they are practically

by themselves. he's not sending in under-secretaries and the people needed to make sure they are able to function effectively. at this point who wants to go in and work for him anyway? >> if you go into dod, any of these positions now, it's the last stop of your career. you're going to become a trump administration appointee. which means if things continue to go down for the rest of this term as negatively as they are now, you're not going to go spoke another administration in the future. if you want to be deputy assistant secretary of defense, you're not going to become an assistant secretary later. you're going to be tainted by this. >> if you're arguing the administration's case in the supreme court as stephen breyer says to you, the acting solicitor general, so is this a travel ban or not, what do you say? >> they are doing to say, no, it's not a travel ban. the president was using political whatever. they are going to say on this day he said it was a travel ban. on this day he said it was a travel ban. back december of '15.

now you can go back to december of '15. he said it was a muslim ban. later he said he was going to do everything he could to make his muslim ban constitutional and draft it that way, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. he now put solicitor general in a terrible position. david ignatius i want to follow up on what clint was saying. at the beginning of this administration, great americans like pbob gates were telling people that serve this administration whether you agreed with the president of the united states or not, whether you voted for him or not, it was your patriotic duty. a lot of other never trumpers saying the same thing for the good of the country. here we are five months in. i mean, i was saying the same thing. mika was saying the same thing. he's president. we've got to give him as much support around him as possible. five months in, who can -- can bob gates say that with a good conscious? >> it's a real dilemma for

republicans. the white house has pena nietbe told talking to a series of people about taking jobs. they have been turned down by another -- joe and mika you know the details better than i do. i know some examples. they are people who said, do i want to risk this, service to a president who is so unpredictable, so unreliable, doesn't seem to take care of his staff. from a number of key people, the answer has been no. on these tweets, all i can think is there's something about donald trump when he's cornered. when you criticizes him on "morning joe," his reaction is to double down. you think -- i'm going to show you how attached i am to the travel ban. he'll up the rhetoric, not with any specific goal in mind so much as you criticizes me, well, back in your face. >> we went after him the first

block. by the time we came back from commercial, he did something that put himself in more difficult legal jeopardy. we talked about that. then he put out another tweet that makes the work of his justice department and solicitor general even more difficult. and i just -- i don't know how attached this guy is with reality. i just really don't. i don't understand -- >> oh, my gosh. not very smart. >> we are -- >> read along with "morning joe." >> tweet with "morning joe." all caps, extreme vetting people coming spot u.s. in order to help keep our country safe. the courts are slow -- >> he's trying to correct his language. >> -- and political. let's talk -- we need to go to break. >> i think your hypothesis, richard, was a little too well thought out.

>> let's go with a point david said about people going into this administration. you look at rod rosenstein, impeccable reputation. he's now in the middle of the investigation. he's going to be part of that investigation as to why james comey was fired. he did the right thing, god please him, for making our system work. you take h.r. mcmaster, a man -- it would be hard to find a man more respected in the military community than h.r. mcmaster, he's embarrassed himself twice now over the past month. and i would much rather him do that than leave, because trump's next national security adviser would be worse. but still, people look at h.r. mcmaster, who would want to do that to their career. >> that's exactly the conversation people are saying. the op-ed that h.r. mcmaster and gary cohn were clearly encouraged to write. these are people who come into the administration with big reputations.

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all right. trent watts on the russia investigation, they now have a separate criminal probe that includes paul manafort. how interesting is that, do you think? >> that means they've taken it to the next step. you'll look for connections but also the finances. when you get finances, that's hard evidence. this is different. you can't really shake the way you can with connection.

if you're doing an investigation, you say did you meet so-and-so and so-and-so? oh, yeah, i did. but the context is this or that. and it becomes a he said, she said. this is different. >> the dots are connected. >> this person sending money to this person. so those relationships tend to flush out much better. >> mueller inherited this group of fbi agents already at work here and clearly already, before he got there, were looking at a broad array of things. >> i think so. he would also try to determine scope. that's what we're starting to feel out now. am i going to focus on obstruction, russia investigation? who in the u.s. am i going to focus on? we have to remember these are his fbi agents. he has not been out of that job that long. these are the deputies to his deputies when he was the fbi director. he knows them well. we talked initially about how

this might run really slow. for mueller, it will run quicker because he has worked with all these people. >> could they get the president's tax returns if they wanted them? >> i would assume so, if they go through the proper legal authorities and is ups, they could do that. >> as bob woodward always said about water kls gate, you follow the money. here, quite a few players have been under financial duress. paul manafort is very comfortable in sort of wading in piles of money around russia. it seems to me if they are following the money for a lot of these players -- and you can talk about the former national security adviser, mueller will have a lot to dig into. >> the one challenge of this espionage case is different than

in the soviet era. what we have now is a sort of mutual benefit of i build business relationships through a host of different contacts and over time i can shape that influence in such that it looks mutually beneficial and it is. carter page has a business interests in russia so why wouldn't he push policy to that? it overlines with russian interests. there is probably something there to be seen. >> thank you very much. >> thank you. >> the president has a lot to say about the travel ban which, apparently, is back to being a travel ban. >> it's travel ban now. >> those are the words he uses. >> it wasn't a travel ban last week. >> on the record he calls it a travel ban. >> three times. >> thank you, mr. president. we'll explain as the president continues to tweet this morning. plus, the interesting comparison john kerry made about trump pulling the u.s. out of the paris climate agreement.

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this is a temporary pause that allows to us better review the existing refugee and visa vetting system. >> when we use words like travel ban, that misrepresents what it is. >> this was president trump's tweet yesterday. if the ban were announced with a one-week notice the bad would rush into our country during that week. he says it's a ban. >> he's using the words that the media is using. at the end of the day, it can't -- hold on. hold on. hold on. >> do we have it straight, guys? everybody got it straight? it's not a travel ban. >> it's not a ban. >> it is a travel ban. >> what's wrong with you people in the press for suggesting that it's a travel ban? it's not a travel ban. >> you're so misleading. >> it's fake news. #fakenews. travel ban #fakenews. >> good intentions and understands this travel ban is a focus that needs to be thrown out so he's helped us along this morning. it's monday, june 5th. on set, associated editor of the associated press, david

ignatius, mark halperin, david haas, editor in chief of the economist. this morning, president trump is doubling down for his call on a travel ban following this week's terror attack in london. a series of tweets beginning with this. we need the courts to give us back our rights. we need the travel ban as an extra level of safety. >> travel ban. >> this morning he repeated that push after we had a bit of a conversation about it, tweeting people, the lawyers and the courts can call it whatever they want. but i'm calling it what we need. and what it is. a travel ban. >> those three words right there? if i'm working for the president in front of the supreme court, those three words, what it is, dated june 5th, 2017, that

makes -- that really does make -- >> that's on the record. >> in front of the nine justice. >> a challenge. >> a bit of a challenge. >> kind of undeniable. he tweeted that the justice department should have stayed with the original travel ban not the watered down, politically correct version they submitted to supreme court. then he tweeted that the justice department should ask for an expedited hearing of the watered down travel ban before the supreme court and seek a much tougher version. then he tweeted in any event we are extreme vetting people coming into the u.s. in order to help keep our country safe. the courts are slow and political. >> the bundle of tweets he has done, they're not going to help his cause. they will rally people who are frustrated at the slow pace of

the courts and who like the original proposal but this won't help him politically. i can't believe that the justice department is pleased right now. >> more interested in scoring cheap political points, day trading, than getting things done. this undercuts his ability to implement whatever he wants to call it, extreme vetting, travel ban. you name t he would much rather have a punch line at a speech than a policy that could keep this country safer. >> also throwing people under the bus over and over and over again. sean spicer got thrown under the bus in the travel ban. now it's sessions. >> general kelly. >> kelly. >> just last week. >> remember, the president himself signed the second version of the travel ban. if he didn't want sessions to put out that version, he should not have signed the second version of the travel ban. what he's basically saying is, you know, he's acknowledging the critique, which is that the first ban was a mess. the second ban was watered down

and polished up and not good enough for him. that's not going to help him in the court. >> the first ban was a wreck. he didn't even go through the interagency process. >> no. unable to let go of something, whether it's his spat, whether it's the word travel ban. was it sensible, what was he trying to do? is he trying to appeal to the base? maybe it's much more elemental. i said i want a travel ban. i'm going to use this word and that's what it is. it's a basic, almost child-like, i'm right. >> he was responding to being probe bid joe more than anything else. by the way, this travel ban wouldn't have helped anything that happened in -- i mean, it's -- the lack of intellectual ability is stunning.

>> when he mentioned the travel ban, he actually hurt his case even more. as zanny was saying, it's almost child like, inability to let any perceived slight. people have been saying that for a long time. the consequences now become more dire by the day. >> it's also consistent with the president that even though he's president still clings to the outside game and goes to places like pennsylvania and does a rally. this is the tweeting equivalent to doing the rally. rather than playing the inside game and get the courts to react to whatever you want you play the outside game. you're playing to your base and the larger political as if you weren't the incumbent, as though you weren't in power. you're playing the outside of power game. this is still the campaign. >> it is still the campaign. david ignatius, that's the 38% solution. you get nothing done. as mark halperin has said, i believed that he was going to be in more danger much more quickly

than mark but mark always says, and i think he is right, it's going to take donald trump being unable to put any points up on the board, to pass legislation, to pass this travel ban. those are the sort of things that will make people in middle america that are still defending him saying, we just can't have a president that can't get anything done. >> he wouldn't do this this morning if he didn't think this was still his secret weapon. i think his poll numbers will have to crash a lot more than they have for him to get off of it or somehow a new chief of staff says mr. president, give me the phone. or i'm not going to take the job. it's going to take something like that, because he thinks it work. >> mika, it doesn't. >> like a little kid thinks punching someone has worked.

>> he has hurt himself now on what he calls his travel ban. >> travel ban. >> you look at the people he has attacked across the globe the past month or two. macron wins big, makes history. merkel, strengthened more in her country now than ever before. she will win re-election, thanks to donald trump. and, finally, the mayor of london. a man whose words were etched from their proper context, distorted, twisted and a man now who is enjoying a great deal of support from the good people of london. >> let's go there. president trump is criticizing the mayor of london following this week's terror attack. he tweeted yesterday morning, at least seven dead and 48 wounded in terror attack and mayor of london says there's no reason to be alarmed. president trump was referencing an interview the mayor gave yesterday morning. here is what he actually said. >> just like terrorists are

finding new ways to disrupt us, harm us, attack us, the police and all of us are finding new ways to keep us safe. london will see an increased police presence today and over the course of the next few days. no reason to be alarmed. >> pretty good comment from the mayor's office. >> that was a great comment. but he twisted what the mayor said, richard. you think there's something behind it? >> one possibility is that this is a dog whistle. i don't know but the mayor of london is muslim. he's a member of the labour party. that's how it's perceived over there. as zanny can confirm or not. this is how it's being read or this is why it's contributing to the anti-americanism and the sense that they have increasingly had it with the american president. this is just counterproductive.

>> i totally agree with you. >> you know who this is? it's president bannon. there is no doubt that president bannon -- this is what president bannon promotes inside the white house. and that's exactly what's happened. what's the reaction, though, to this sort of strategy? >> the reaction in london is increasingly one of ex-aspiration and anger, what the heck does the president of the united states think he's saying? but the mayor of london -- >> says something pretty basic. >> london is an unbelievably successful global, multi-cultural city with a muslim mayor. we're very proud of t it's a fabulous city. it's not reeling. it's going to carry on. >> it's not reeling? >> it's absolutely not reeling. >> what did you think when you saw "the new york times" headline? that i'm sure that nick contassorie is not only

responsible for but wrote himself. >> as a journalist and someone who has to write headlines, i'm not going to come down on this them with a ton of bricks but we're not reeling. there are tons of times that the british press has written about other places reeling. >> the british press is known for its understatement. >> they really are. >> i'm not blaming you guys. >> on a serious note, the president of the united states -- >> here is the thing, mika. this is what "reeling" means in british english @nytimes. they endured until we got into the war and they helped beat hitler. the british are just fine, thank you very much. >> it is worth remembering that the ira era had a consistent level of violence that is a lot higher than where we are now. >> sure. >> we have kind of been through this. >> for 30 years, just to point

out. >> absolutely. >> and for 30 years, going shopping at herrod's at christmas even -- >> you shop at a different place than me, joe. >> no, no, no. what i'm saying is that you would have ira bombings at places like herrod's at christmastime. this is not the first time the british people have been to this rodeo before and they kept moving. >> absolutely. >> yeah. i also think we need to sort of circle back to -- i actually was thinking it. but the first, you know, hour or so of the show, that i thought that president trump made his comment about the mayor of london because of his faith and not his words. and when you look at his words, they are so basic. they are totally unequivocal that this president actually had to mangle them, which is -- >> david ignatius? >> the tweets, as mark said, these are all-time worsts.

i just note a really haunting fact this morning as we look at the president's verbal flailing. this is the 70th anniversary of george marshall's speech announcing the marshall plan, the most far-sighted visionary piece of policy arguably the united states put together in the 20th century. it happened today. imagine the world in which that happened. the united states stood up for all of europe. pulled europe back on its feet. what amounted to destabilizing comments. >> david, it's the -- the marshall plan happened because of what we did in 1919 and 1920. >> yep. >> which donald trump is repeating now for the first time since 1919 and 1920. building a fortress america and retreating from europe. what was the impact of that? >> people thought we learned a lesson from that.

we did retreat after world war i. it had catastrophic consequences, the rise of naziism. we thought that americans had learned that lesson for all time. what we're celebrating today was the symbol of this new america that was going to lead a global order. that order is being taken apart brick by brick. that's really the story i'll remember from these last couple of weeks. the tweets are all part of that. that's the big story. that's the story you hear in moscow, the story you hear in every european capital now. this american-led order is really under assault from washington. >> mark halperin? >> thursday could be the worst day of donald trump's presidency and he may be looking to build momentum, to have a distraction. >> oh, good lord. >> this is infrastructure week. >> my guess is that the press won't cover the infrastructure week as much as the comey hearing but may cover the fight over the travel ban. ramping up toward thursday.

>> it's a great point. the next three days, chaos will be coming out of the white house. last thing he wants us to do is pay attention to what happens on thursday. >> david is on to the big story, like he did the other day, you connect the dots. get united states out of the tranpacific partnership, a real threat to the global trading order, all of america's relationships with asia. then the constant disruption of relations with our allies in europe. getting out of the paris act. you add these things together. donald trump had this amazing inheritance, which the united states had painstakingly built up for 70 odd years. he has systematically or unsystematically gone out to undo it, to unravel. and he doesn't have anything to put it its place. this is the foreign policy equivalent of health care, repeal without replace. this is going to be consequential and enduring. >> and what steve bannon, zanny,

said he wanted to do. he's a lennonist. he said he wanted to tear the existing structure down. >> he did. and i'm very struck -- richard talked about it earlier, the op-ed gary cohn that there's no global community. it's a world where we're competing against each other. that is the antithesis of what geor was said. it may be wanting to smash it down, if steve bannon has his way, at least it's not tending it. and that is, for us outside of the united states, absolutely terrifying. >> writing about my father in a piece titled zbigniew brezenski feared donald trump would wreck valuable alliances. gulf separates the brezenski and

trump views of american leadership. in march mr. brezenski called mr. trump's handling of foreign affairs chaotic, unclear unfocused. mr. brezenski's career was spent thinking about and defending a pax americana, built around post-war alliances and formal institutions. it is hard to convey how strongly that expansive world view is rejected in mr. trump's white house. the president's inner circle makes america sound like an aging, declining hedgemon with a grievance, one that may squeeze a few more years of primacy but only if it becomes tougher and more selfish. mr. trump's inner circle sincerely score scorns the foreign policies of previous administrations from the obama era back to the days of bill clinton and both bushes. that contempt extends to the global institutions that mr. trump inherited. this builder is a demolition man. >> from harry truman forward,

truman and ike didn't like each other a whole lot. ike didn't have a lot of use for kennedy. we could go down the list. yet there was an unbroken line from harry s. truman to george h.w. bush. that's why we won the cold war. and for all of the problems barack obama had with george w. bush, there was also a continuity in their battle against terror. this breaks that in half. >> every president we had to use a football analogy was within the 40 yard lines. we now have a president and administration that's in the end zone. this is fundamentally a discontinuity in american foreign policy. and the frightening thing is we're going to be affected by what goes on out there. we can't build a moat around the united states. the rest of the world will be affected. we will be affected. there doesn't seem to be anyone in the white house who

understands that we have an enormous stake in what goes on out there. trump's entire world view is that it only -- what we've done in the world, joe, over these years, only costs. he never measures the benefits. what we're going to see now are the costs of no longer doing it. >> i'm a little sketchy on the football analogy. i'm not going to go there. >> we'll say midfield. >> that, i understand. >> midfield of the pitch. >> that, i understand. it may not be the whole white house. it's this president. one thing that this president appears to believe is that america has been ill served by these 70 years of alliances and that the america first agenda was one where we have to think about ourselves. i'm not sure that h.r. mcmaster or gary cohn or people around really believe that. he absolutely believes that. the really worrying thing is that he's going to push that through. >> despite the fact that the evidence is that the united states is thriving. and it continues to thrive, certainly compared to most every other country in the world

order. david ignatius, the problem with what donald trump -- it's a zero sum game with donald trump. i remember rudy giuliani telling us early in the campaign before he had even come out and supported donald trump, he said he never met anybody like donald trump because he would go in to a negotiating room and it wasn't enough -- it wasn't like everybody else where i win, you win, we all win, we all leave happy. donald trump always had to win and everybody else had to lose. and if that wasn't the case, then things were a failure. he has no idea. he is so totally ignorant of history, he doesn't understand that even when we hated what shiraq was doing, the contempt he was showing for the united states of america, the french intel agencies were helping us out. i loath iran. and i have since 1979.

i was 18 in 1979. somewhere around there. and i always loathed iran. but even i know that after 9/11, it was iran who helped us out with intel in afghanistan. these are the subtles that donald trump and the bafoons around him don't seem to grasp. >> there's some new thing every day we realize he doesn't know about. i'll share one little vignette to my trip to russia. i was talking to their council on foreign and defense policy. he said one thing about vladimir putin is that he reads a lot. and he doesn't use social media, so far as i know. that's a positive difference.

>> that is. >> i would trade a lot for a president who read more. >> jimmy carter teaches at his baptist church in georgia. we've always wanted to go down there. this weekend while teaching sunday school, he remembered mika's dad. >> he was always full of ideas. he would have at least three new ideas every morning. and two of them were truly foolish, but the other one was pretty reasonable. and i would adopt it. but he was the one who suggested that we have peace talks between israel and egypt, for instance. and nobody else had ever said that to me. nobody ever said it on the campaign, to bring peace to the middle east or not, but brzezinski did. and later he was a key person who helped to normalize diplomatic relations with china. we formed friendly relations with china for the first time in

35 years. he passed away. they're going to have his funeral this friday and rose and i will be going up to it. >> we're looking forward, mika, to seeing him there. >> that's amazing. >> he would say all three were good. david ignatius, when jimmy carter came on to talk last week, the president said that nobody thought about trying to have peace in the middle east the way zbig thought about doing it. you look at the camp david accords and gave us 40 years without a ground war in the middle east and a region that had obviously seemed all too much of that in the proceeding 20 years, 30 years. >> that was one of the things that dr. brzezinski always talked about in conversations with me and, i'm sure with others. he and jimmy carter, as carter

said, bonded very early on this idea that despite all the political obstacles, wasn't popular back then to advocate peace with the palestinians, it was important for the region -- now truism. everybody says the same thing. back then they realized they saw the world in similar ways and i think their relationship just deepened. dr. brzezinski was attacked often for being supportive of an israel/palestine peace deal. some of the attacks were extreme. he never let it stop him. what is principle policy? sticking with things even when they're unpopular. it was a great quality that he had. >> richard, they'll have his funeral on the 15th anniversary of the six-day war. >> egypt and settling the peace between israel and powerful local adversary that this week

we mark 50 years of essentially unsuccessful peace making between the israelis and palestinians. it took six days for that war to define the modern middle east. here we are, and it still defines the middle east. >> zanny, thank you so much for being on with us this morning. james tsavrides joins the table. and we'll also be talking a little bit more with nick about headlines from "the new york times," what headlines he drew up last night. >> this is a good one. >> yes, it is a good one. "morning joe" continues in just a moment. >> i was elected to represent the citizens of pittsburgh not pari paris. >> how great is it to have a president who is more concerned with des moines than denmark? in these turbulent times, do you focus on today's headwinds?

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when donald trump says to the world, well, we're going to negotiate a better deal, you know, he's going to go out and find a better deal? i mean that's like o.j. simpson going out and saying he's going to go out and find the new killer. everybody knows he's not going to do that because he doesn't believe in it. if he did believe in it, you wouldn't pull out of paris. >> commentary editor for the washington examiner and a visiting fellow at the american enterprise institute, tim carney. >> we want to start by asking you about the news of the day. so far this morning donald trump in a tweet storm saying don't listen to general kelly, don't listen to everybody in the white house but the travel ban is actually a full-blown travel ban. >> you could hear the heads in the department of justice popping with shock over that one. this strikes me, we were just

talking about this piece in politico about the striking of the language in article v in nato that was in there. they wanted it in there. somebody struck it, the president, steve baninform on or steven miller. every time they get into trouble, they listen to somebody over in what they call the bannon wing. >> tim carney, i've been saying the past couple of weeks, any other president other than donald trump would have had this so-called travel ban affirmed by the supreme court. not even 5-4 but maybe 6-3 because immigration, border control are two areas.

>> clear ly give the president for the sake of national security. it's pretty unambiguous. the only argument they have against trump doing this is that it was discriminatory. sometimes can you say how do they know the intention? are they reading his mind? now they're just reading his tweets. december 2015 and say there's a muslim ban because they cleaned it up. but he has soiled it again this morning in a way that the justice department, which he is attacking, i don't know how the solicitor general cleans it up from front of the supreme court. >> if john roberts was looking for a way to avoid the deference, these tweets give john roberts a way to say the intent of this is clear because the president has made it clear. >> now, you know, it looks like

roberts and probably kennedy will rule against this because it is the president who has said on june 5th, 2017, it's a travel ban. then donald trump gets what he wants, another punch line at another rally, at another event. yet, nothing gets done. >> that's what i was speculating. it's impossible to read the president's mind, right? isn't it politically more beneficial for him to have it martyred by the courts and have the party play victim and get energized by that? >> isn't that a 38% plan? like steve bannon's hardened 38% strategy? >> i'm not sure but certainly that 38% has served him well so far. he has been able to deflect attention from the policies that haven't managed to have been effected and anything coming out of congress. i don't know. it's something that has kept him well served so far. >> so, tim carney, a lot of

conservatives i know -- not conservatives. a lot of trump supporters i know, let me correct myself, are nonplused by everything that's happened. they still stand by donald trump. they still stand by their man, so to speak. we want to float mark halperin's theory out that they will continue standing by donald trump until they turn around and look back a year or two later and see that legislation hasn't been passed. these executive orders haven't been implemented. do you believe that if there is going to be a separation of some of these supporters, it will be if he gets nothing done? >> in part, yes. i've been all around the country. i went to the trump rallies everywhere from, you know, iowa to new hampshire, down across to the west coast. and a lot of just the regular supporters, not the people here inside the beltway. not the people up there in new york. they wanted somebody who was going to fight against the insider elites. an tru is dng that. even when he's losing, when he's

going to the courts, he's fighting for them. they see a rigged system where the insiders are getting rich and they are not. and that's all sort of the economic inequality data, all the fa kt that federal government is getting more power away from the states, local governments and communities are dissolving and insider elites are stealing my stuff and somebody is going to fight for me. just that -- that's what all politicians promise. this is what al gore promised, what obama -- i'm going to fight for you. the fact that he's out there, doing it, makes him happy. although there is another smaller slice that makes them policy oriented. ann coulter said i voted for him because he said i'm going to put up you a wall. if he backs off of that, we decided it's better to do x, y and z. that's where he could lose -- >> and take away the health care. >> and take away the health care

as they see it. a lot of my family members are still behind donald trump and they say you guys are all after him and he gave us gorsuch. >> he has a lot of running room for his core base. the essence of his politics is the fight. it is the rage. i think that when we, on this set when we're angry at something he does or we complain or the media complains and even when there are headlines saying washington is in chaos, things can't get done, i think among his core support, that's all a good thing. >> noah and jay, i want to talk to you quickly. noah, you had a great tweet after paris. it's always interesting. people see me attacking donald trump or going after the courts for tearing apart our 60-year alliances and then i will tweet something conservative. or, god forbid, a bible verse and their heads blow up. it's almost like they -- wait a second. you're a conservative? and you tweeted something right

after paris, saying a lot of your liberal friends shocked that you can be against trump and still be a conservative. >> it happens occasionally and then you're supposed to say this say conservative thing and we like to encourage that. removal from the paris agreement was one thing his proposed budget, political document. but also something that had some conservative priorities, including entitlement reforms. these are things that conservatives should appreciate whechlt left said you should man the battlements with us because you elected somebody you opposed, it's not being inconsistent to say when he does conservative things we appreciate this and encourage more of it. >> jay -- tim? >> did i say jay again? >> yes! >> my apologies. i never thought there was any relation there. tim, talk about that, being a conservative in the age of trump and sorting through it. somehow trumpism being confused with conservatism.

>> it can be tiring. you're getting beat up by sort of people who have moved over to the trump side and just say you have to support this guy. but then there's what i call the anti, anti, anti-trump. that's three antis. you're giving trump ammunition every time he does bad stuff when you support him when he does the good stuff. gorsu gorsuch, some of the stuff in the budget, federal agencies he wants to abolish. all this stuff is great. but the way to approach this is like a journalist, right? we should try not to judge the man unless we're sort of talking about his psychology or something like that. there's a lot to talk about there. but his actions, we should judge as they are actions. >> right. >> this is one of my points about the travel ban originally. the constitution and federal law seems to give him the authority to do that. gorsuch is an amazing appointee, regardless of who put him up there.

and i like mick mulvaney at the omb. a lot of stuff in the budget was good. some of it didn't go far enough or hocus pocus. call it as you see it. as a journalist you're given the tools to judge the actions separate from the man. >> that's what i was saying last week about the so-called travel ban. the courts should have upheld it except this morning the president has, once again, undercut himself. by the way, i keep saying jay also because i've got jay caruso on my mind. he's going to be coming at 8:30. wrote a great piece for "the atlantic." why trumpists are still sticking by donald trump. we'll get comments from richard haas when we come back. >> tim carney, thank you. >> noah rothman, stay with us, if you can. tens of thousands descended on manchester, england, last night as that country shows the world how to endure three

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♪ >> ariana grande and coldplay performing "don't look back in anger." they trapped the old cricket stadium for the one love manchester benefit concert last night. british red cross said that he they raised more than $3 million for a fund supporting victims of the bombing and their families. >> they would have had the gallagher brothers there. >> i was wondering that. >> except they were outside punching each other. there we go. one of them was there. noah, you're talking about off camera, he was saying -- noah said my pop culture aptitude

stopped in 2002. maybe you saw the behind the music with oasis. they had subtitles on the two gallagher brothers. you couldn't understand a thing they were saying. >> frame of reference for oasis is that "saturday night live" sketch where the two brothers were fighting. i think that was the '90s. that's about where i trail off. >> that's where you ended. >> richard, you've been wanting to talk for three sets and you don't have to talk about oasis. >> or blur. >> or the channel. >> have you been listening to the beatles on -- >> it's what the world needs now. >> please, richard, take it. >> what an amazing documentary. >> i want to talk about one story in politico. the president's speech where, in europe, he didn't mention the article v commitment. what was so interesting was the draft of the speech had it in it. at the last minute the draft was changed. this is a recipe for disaster.

if you have a formal national security staff and they do it and it gets done. >> and steve bannon pulls it out. >> and at the last minute things get changed this is the improvisation that will get this president and this country into serious, serious trouble. it becomes the last person in the oval office has the last word and why even bother then with the formal system? this, to me, in some ways is one of the most worrisome anect kra i've seen. >> pull out lines like that. >> lurking around. >> national security adviser, whether you can continue to be in this job under these circumstances. >> i know. just ahead, we'll check in with nbc's bill neely in london on to where the investigation on saturday's attack stands. "morning joe" is back after this. it's time for the "your business" entrepreneur of the week. a detroit-based bottled tea

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>> translator: there were no meetings. i -- you understand, there were no meetings. when i saw this, my jaw dropped.

>> no meetings between ambassador kislyak and anybody from the trump campaign? >> translator: i have no idea. i'm being completely honest with you. i don't know. do you think that from all over the world or from the united states the ambassador reports to me every day who he meets with or what they discuss there? that's complete nonsense. do you even understand what you're asking? his boss is the minister of affairs. do you think i have time to talk to our ambassadors every day all over the world? complete nonsense. to me, this is just amazing. you created a sensation out of nothing. well, this is -- you know, you're just. you people are so creative over there. good job. your lives must be boring. >> he got a little hyped up there. >> my goodness. he's annoyed. joining us now, member of the house budget committee, democratic representative from michigan. very, very good to have you.

>> thanks for having me. >> where does the budget proposal stand right now? >> well, it's pretty much dead on arrival. we haven't even seen the house republican budget proposal let alone the president's proposal go anywhere. it's a terrible it a terrible >> first of all, for me, it eliminates probably most important program we have in the midwest, that the great lakes restoration initiative. imagine this project that is at bipartisan support, important to the economy. important to the environment. and takes it away. that is one example of president walking away from london standing commitments. something he seems willing to be able to do not only here in the u.s., but across the world. it would be really bad for the u.s. economy. makes so sense at all. look at it. think why would he do this? because he can. >> everything else he does, there's no answer. >> congressman, we understand that social security will be

very responsibility in resolving the 2020 medicare and medicare. equally imperilled in the 20s and 30s. abandon campaign pledges to not. that was met with a lot of resistance from democrats. democrats are entirely committed that these do not need reform and trustees who say they comean they're wrong. >> depends what you mean by reform. kussing benefits only social security. increasing cap of taxation or think about medicare. perhaps allowing younger health year people to take premium support, and their own premium dollars and buy into medicare, if those sorts of ideas are on the table and they are also considered to be reform, we're open. >> do you agree that social security and medicare especially need to be reformed over the

next five ten years because they're going to be become unsolvent. >> the math is what the math is. >> you agree the math is -- it's like a lot of programs that general motors used to have. we have in connecticut. the math doesn't add up. >> we can't look the other way and just say -- take the position that the only way to deal with structural problems, which we'll mitigate overtime. baby boomers, not all going to move through this bubble and we won't be there any longer. as that happens, we have to be willing to look at policy. that doesn't mean we have to em bracing the notion. it will only way to fix the programs is to say the people who need the most are going to have to give something up. >> barack obama said the first month he was in the white house and fiscal responsibility side, i love the title of that, we couldn't quote, quick the can

down the road anymore on social security and medicare and yet we have. donald trump is promising to do it for another eight years. >> pretty frustrating. in fact, it's pretty frustrating we're not talking about anything substantively right now. social security and medicare, budget, first question imposed. infrastructure. >> isn't infrastructure week, mark? >> very excited. >> it's the big distraction this week. >> it's like an overpass. >> what would it take for you to vote for donald trump sponsored infrastructure. >> couple of things. it has to be big enough to be transformative. secondly, we would have to make sure that those 40 or 50 really distressed older industrial cities got some additional support. essentially a plan for those places because a big infusion of capital moving into

infrastructure could inadvertently have the effect of emptying out older cities. we saw to a certain extent with the development of interstate highway system. i'm really fearful that places like flint or buffalo or believed while they would seem to be the fen fishebeneficiarie could really lose. a lot of money going into much easier developed places. >> congressman nick, you're state is one of three that gave the presidency to donald trump. >> talked a lot on the set about his relationship with his voters and what it might take to unwind that relationship and why they stick by him. do you see any movement in your state of people who gave him the presidency and what do they want to see from him. >> two things contributed to him winning michigan. one, he had frustrated voters. felt like we all abandon them go

with him. the other is sort of the middle. the base we depend on. >> did hillary clinton campaign enough in michigan. >> she was in michigan. >> was sthe enough. >> i don't think it was about time. i think it was the focus of the message. >> timing. >> it needed to be about jobs and economy and nothing else. his campaign said it best. it's the economy. not talking about jobs. not talking about how to grow the economy. doesn't matter what else we're talking about in michigan. >> absolutely. thank you so much. come back. all right. still ahead, infrastructure week? >> what infrastructure week. the president drowns out his own headlines at 6:25 monday morning about the tweets about the travel ban. as we go to break a pop quiz for you. get ready. get your pencils out. capital city of ally is

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>> he's using the words the media is using. >> everybody got it straight. it's not a travel ban. >> it's not a ban. >> it is a travel ban. >> what's wrong with you people in the press for suggesting that it's a travel ban. it's not a travel ban. >> it's fake news. hashtag, fake news. >> each side has good intentions. travel ban is a bogus that needs to be thrown out. helped us along this morning. monday, june 5. with that we the senior political analyst for nbc news. the president of the council of foreign relations. editor and chief of the economist. and "new york times" nicholas, this morning, president trump is doubling down on his call for a travel ban. following this weekend's terror attack on london.

the hours after the attack, president trump posted a series of tweets beginning with this. we need the courts to give us back or rights. we need the travel ban. as an extra level of safety. then this morning, we repeated that push. tweeting, people the lawyers and the courts can call it whatever they want. i'm calling it what we need. and what it is. a travel ban. >> those words right there. if i'm working for the president in front of the supreme court, those three words, what it is, dated june the 5th, 2017. that makes, that really does make it difficult in front of nine justices. >> it's on the record. >> he also tweeted that the justice department should have stayed with the original travel ban. not the watered down politically correct version they submitted to supreme court.

then we tweeted the justice department should ask for expedited hearing of the watered down travel ban and seek much tougher version. then, he tweeted this. in any event, we are extreme vetting people. coming into the u.s. in order to help keep our country safe. the courts are slow and for the political. someone sells a little slow too. >> mark, sort through this for us if you will. explain the mind of donald trump. >> the weekend tweets i said before one of the worst five bundles of tweets he's done. this morning not going to help his cause. they will rally people who are frustrated at the slow pace of the courts and who like the original proposal. this will not help him politically. i can't imagine tham either the white house council office or the justice department are pleased right now gl this is a guy more interested in escorting cheap political traits and day

trading than gettin things done whatever he wants to call it. much rather have a punch line at a speech than a policy that could keep this country safer. >> also throwing people under the bus over and over again. sean spicer got thrown under the bus for the travel ban. now it's sessions. general kelly just last week. >> it was the president himself who signed the second version of the travel ban. if he didn't want sessions to put out the version, should not have signed the second version of the travel ban. acknowledging the critique. the first ban was a mess. the second ban was modered downed and polished up and not good enough for him. not going to help him in court. >> the first ban was an absolute reck. didn't go through the interagency process. >> it was disastrous. i think just watching this now, may simply be he is unable to let go of something. so whether it is his spat with

the mayor of london. whether it is the word travel sensible. what was he trying to do. it's a very basic kind of almost child like i'm right. >> he was responding to being trolled this morning. and got to one thing. by the way, this travel ban wouldn't have helped anything that happened -- i mean, it's the lack of intellectual ability is stunning sglg i was not trolling. i was stating the case. >> i think when he mentioned travel ban, richard, that he actually hurt his case even more. >> and as he was saying, it's almost child like. the inability to let anything go by. people have been saying that for a long time. the consequences now become more

dire by the day. >> also consistent with the president who even though he's president clings to the outside gain and goes places like pennsylvania and does the rally. this is tweeting of doing the rally. rather than playing the inside game and getting the courts to react to what you want, you play the outside game. you play to base, you play the larger political as if you weren't the incumbent. you weren't in power. you're playing outside power game. this is still the campaign. >> till the campaign. that's the 38% solution. you get nothing done. as mark said, i believed that he was going to be in more danger much more quickly than mark. mark always says, and i think he is right, that it's going to take donald trump being unable to put any points up on the board. to pass legislation. to pass this travel ban. those are the sort of things that will make people in middle america that are still defending him say, we just can't have a president that can't get

anything done. >> but this morning is an illustration that he still thinks this outsider, disruptive style of his works. he wouldn't do this this morning if he didn't think it was still his secret weapon. going to have to crash a lot more than they have to get off it. either that or somehow new chief of staff says mr. president, give me the phone. mr. president, i mean it give me the phone or i'm not going to take the job. take something like that. he thinks it works. >> it doesn't. >> like a little kid thinking punching something works. >> >> you look at the people he's attacked across the globe over the past month or two. macron, wins big. makes history. merkel, strengthen more her country now than ever before. she will win re-election thanks

to donald trump. and finally the mayor of london, a man whose words were wretcheds from the proper context, distorted, twisted,s and a man now who is enjoying a great deal of support from the good people of london. >> let's go there. president trump is criticizing the mayor of london following this weekend's terror attack. tweeted yesterday morning. seven dead and 48 wounded. in terror attack and mayor of london says there's no reason to be alarmed. president trump was referencing an interview the mayor gave yesterday morning. here's what he actually said. >> just like terrorists are constantly evolving finding new ways to disrupt us, harm us, attack us. police and experts are finding new ways to keep us safe. londoners will see increased police presence today and over the course of the next few days. no reason to be alarmed. >> richard. >> pretty good comment from the mayor's office. >> it was a great comment.

he twisted what the mayor said. you think there's something behind it? >> one possibility is this is a dog whistle. he's a member of the labor party. a way to get out political signals. that's how it's perceived over there. andy can confirm or not. >> the problem. this is how it's being read. this is why it's contributing to the anti-americanism and anti- -- the sense they have is increasingly had it with the american president. this is just counter productive. >> i totally agree. >> you know who this is. it's president. there is no doubt that president bannon. this is what president bannon promotes inside the white house. and that's exactly what's happened. what's the reaction though to this sort of strategy. >> the reaction in london is increasingly one of exasperation

and anger. what does the president of the united states think he's saying. i think richard is right. london is unbelievable cultural and fan loss city. we're proud of it. >> it is not reeling. >> absolutely not. >> what did you think when you saw the headline? >> as a journalist, and someone who had to write headlines, i'm not going to come down on a kind of breaks. we're not reeling. >> british press is known for understatement. >> exactly.

>> i'm not blaming. >> this is what reeling means in british english. new york times. as i said yesterday, the british same civilization in 1940. they endured until we got into the war and helped beat hitler. the british are just fine, thank you very much. >> it is worth remembering the iraer rale had a consistent level of violence that was a lot higher than where we are now. we have kind of been through this. i'm not suggesting. what i'm saying is you would have ira bombings at places like christmastime. this is not the first time the british people have been to this

rodeo before. and they kept moving. >> absolutely. >> i also think we need to sort of circle back too. i was thinking it for the first hour or so of the show. that i thought the president trump made his comment about the mayor of london because of his faith and not his words. and when you look at his words, they are so basic. they are totally unekwif kwal. this president had to mangle them. >> the tweets are all-time worst. just note a really haunting fact this morning. look at the president. this is the 70sth anniversary of george marshal's speech announcing the marshal plan. farsighted visionary piece of

policy arguably the united states put together in the 20th century. happened today. imagine the world in which that happened. the united states stood up for all of europe. pulled europe back on his feet. compared to today when you have a prosecute sinking out. what the marshal plan happened. because when we did in 1919 and 1920, which donald trump is repeating now for the first time since 1919 and 1920. building the america and retreating from europe. what was the impact of that. >> people thought we learned a lesson from that. we did retreat after world war one. what we're celebrating the anniversary of today. some new america that's going to lead a global order. that order is being taken apart brick by brick. the story i'll remember from the

last couple of weeks. the tweets all are part of that. that's the big story. that's the story you hear in moscow. the story you hear in every european capital now. american led order is really under assault from washington. >> still ahead on morning joe, we'll get a report from london where raids continue after the latest terror attack there. plus, when i came to the event for our company, russia today and sat down at the table. next to me there was a gentleman sitting on one side. i made my speech. then we talked about some other stuff and i got up and left. and then afterwards i was told you know that was an american gentleman. he was involved in some things. he used to be in the intelligence services. that's it. i didn't even really talk to him. that's the extent of my acquaintance with mr. flynn. >> vladimir putin pans criticism that russia interfered with election. first, bill with a check on the forecast. good monday morning. over the weekend, impressive

pictures from canada. head to the summer season. severe weather shifts north. look at this tornado. look at the bottom right. orange. the gentleman just mowing his yard. just causally like nothing is happening behind him whatsoever. didn't do any damage. it was out over over the open fields. sucking up a lot of dirt from the farm field and that's why it had the color on the base. not going to see a lot of severe weather today. a lot of rain and thunderstorms from houston down along louisiana coast. soaking rain from kentucky to most of virginia. and unfortunately, a chilly week ahead for areas of the northeast. storm is going to linger for three days. new york city into the 60s. temperatures well below average here. florida soaking rain. actually need this. developed a drought over the last couple of weeks and months. drought really 1-3 inches for the sunshine state. gorgeous stuff out there.

oklahoma city, chicago, minneapolis is nice. everyone in the west is waking up to fantastic weather. weather pattern flips and switches. at least we don't like what you see today. it's going to change soon. >> leave you with a shot of new york city. gloom is with us at least two, might be three days in a row. watching morning joe. we'll be right back. c

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police continue to carry out raids. so far 12 people have been arrested in east london. saturday's violence marked the third incident in three months. spooking yesterday, theresa may called on citizens to unite against attacks like these. >> we have made significant progress in recent years, there is to be frank, far too much

tolerance of accident dreextrem country. we need to become far more robust in identifying it and starting it out across the public sector and across society. that will require some difficult and often embarrassing conversations, but the whole of our country needs to come together to take on this extremism. and we need to live our lives not in a series of separated segregated communities, but as one truly united kingdom. we cannot and must not pretend that things can continue as they are. things need to change. >> joining us now from london, chief global correspondent. >> good morning. new raids, new searches by police here this morning. they're now looking at six properties and they're questioning 11 people. seven women and four men about saturday night's slaughter. there are questions too about the police and about the

security services in particular whether they've been monitoring a group of people in east london. known isis supporters. there are reports in the media they were and the cell was well known to them. at least since march. there's also video that has emerged from a channel four documentary of one of the attackers in a london park last year. with an isis flag in a confrontation with police. it is being said these men t three attackers were well known isis supporters. questions for police and security services of course the security services are saying look, we've got 500 active investigations here. monitoring 3,000 people. there are 20,000 other people of interest. you know, we are stretched. still questions for theresa may. she made a new statement this morning saying the police do not know the identity.

of all three attackers. she too is under pressure. she too was under pressure of law and order for five years. she made cuts to the police force and she is being attacked just days before britain's general election. it's okay to say enough is enough, but really she hadn't done enough in recent years to stop the wave of terrorism. this is the third deadly attack in britain in three months e. people are getting along with business. there really is some concern that there could be more copy cat killings and one other thing, regarding president trump, he has been attacked by all political parties here. attacking muslim's mayors. a great deal of the people here that president trump instead of offering full support as president macron of france did saying i am with the people of britain more than ever, instead,

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in an exclusive interview with megyn kelly, vladimir putin denied allegations that russia interfered into the american presidential election. >> but this time. >> it's hard to say that without -- with a straight face. >> i know. this time bringing in conspiracy theories to back his defense. >> there's a theory that kennedy's assassination was arranged by the united states intelligence services so if this theory is correct and can't be ruled out, then that could be easier in this day and age than using all the technical means at the disposal of the intelligence service and using those means to organize attacks. and pointing the finger at

russia. >> i will tell you something that you probably already know. i don't want to hurt anyone's feelings, but the united states everywhere all over the world activelily interferes with the elect torl campaigns of other countries. put your finger anywhere on the map of the world, everywhere you will hear complaints that american officials are interfering in internal electoral processes. sounds like a statement of fact. every action has an equal and opposite reaction. i repeat. we don't even have to do that. we don't care who is the head of the united states. we know what is going to happen. it wouldn't make sense for us to interfere. >> you heard what vladimir putin said. he just obviously can't take anything he says at face value. what did you take out of that interview.

>> i think megyn kelly got his number. he was cooler in that one-on-one interview than he had been a few minutes or an hour or two before when he was appearing before a huge crowd in st. petersburg. i was in the audience and i watched megyn kelly go after him question by question and he really lost it. there's a way in which putin has a sarcastic snide way when he gets cornered and it all came out with sharp muttering about you need to take a pill lady, and, you know, this is all hysterical. he. >> he does sound like his counter part of the united states, donald trump. >> exactly. >> the amazing thing in his whole performance of putin's was he never once criticized donald trump. >> of course not. >> i don't want to make judgments about president trump.

well, you can understand what president trump means. so the bromance continues. he does look like the ex-kgb officer. goes back to the services and what the services do and insinuate cia involved kennedy assassination. justifying any russian activity as well. really could actually be the cia behind the scenes doing it. it's classic. he is i have to say, after a week in russia, he is very popular with russians. this pugnacious in your face style of his, we're back, deal with it. russians love it. he is popularity above 80% anyway. coming up on morning joe. international markets in turmoil. tensions flair in the middle east. is qatar on the brink of war. get a report from the new york stock exchange. back after this.

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president trump is hoping to jump start agenda this week. with help from the white house. peter alexander. what can you tell us about the president's plans? >> hey, joe. good morning to you. as evidenced by twitter already speaking about the travel ban and recent attacks in london and the fact james comey the former fbi director will be testifying later this week, could be a breezing week for the white house. they insist they're going to befocused on infrastructure week. this is what the president is focusing on specifically. overhauling of traffic. federal permitting for road projects. see the lineup of the week today. the president is going to be speaking in the east room about the effort to privatize the traffic control system. on wednesday he's going to go to ohio. river area between ohio and

kentucky to talk about infrastructure. as well as it relates to water ways. then on friday going speak specifically about road and rail regulations as well. infrastructure is a big picture issue one he's demonstrated real interest in moving forward on. this is likely to be the sort of priorities of a trillion dollar investment. much he hopes will be infused. limited amount. not as much as some democrats want to be invested here. we heard from democrats supported this idea before. democratic senators from hawaii. tweeted about this very topic. said potus is not proposing money for infrastructure. it's tax cuts for financers. not infrastructure. so suffice to say as a distraction the white house hopes to get this week. still has work to do to try to bring on board skeptics.

notably on air traffic control, this is something that's been tried before. privatizing of air traffic control systems. pull it away from the faa. the president is going to launch a new effort beginning today. >> peter. thank you so much. greatly appreciated. busy week. a busy week and it all sort of everything collides on thursday. retired four star admiral. new book sea power. history and go politics of the world's oceans. that's out tomorrow. also at the table, we have msnbc amy. i want to start with you first. what's happening with qatar. >> a lot of development overnight. country, saudi arabia, egypt, coordinated diplomatic move cutting ties with the country. >> i know there's always been an intense rivalry and dislike.

why now. >> it seems the saudis and particularly with the united states and current administration see a convergence of interest in the region. they want to drive home their policy differences with qatar. in a nutshell, boils down to is a vision of the region. qatar has a working relationship with the iranians. they believe in a vision of a region that includes political islamist organizations like the muslim brotherhood. the saudis think that is borderline interfering with other country's affairs supporting terrorism. they want to see them stop that and fall in line with their vision of the region. >> how does this end. >> worst-case scenario, see some metaling in qatar affairs if the saudis and others see there has to be change. keep diplomatic pressures up and sanctions. that's a very extreme version. the other we saw a couple of years ago. have back door diplomatic maneuver. get them to fall in line. >> is there a possibility they fall in line.

>> trying to play a back door channel. mediating between them to travel to saudi arabia just in the last 48-72 hours. didn't do a good job obviously with this boiling over. plan is to hopefully get them to talk and fall in line. interesting to see if the trump administration plays a role. the u.s. admiral knows a lot of interest in the region. a lot of u.s. trooping in qatar. don't want to see qatar in a very vulnerable swiegs. >> situation. >> what impacts is it having on the market. >> good morning, joe. it's oil and gas that is front and center in this market. initially, oil prices actually spiked more than 1.5%. any tensions in the middle east always leads to question about oil supplies. especially when you have saudi arabia as one of the key members severing ties. qatar is a smaller oil producer. keep in mind, it is part of

peck. t opec. opec is in the process of cutting production in sort of cohesive action to try to keep prices lifted at these levels. now there's concern this morning that qatar might not comply with these production cuts so we could see more oil supply. that's actually starting to weigh on prices. in terms of gas, it is a major supplier. in fact, qatar is the world's largest exporter of liquified natural gas. in 2016 exported about a third of global production. this is a market to watch as well. stocks got hammered there. a lot of the gas companies in particular. stock market down more than 7%. it's an important economy. it has the world's largest per capita income. about 130,000 per person. it is set to host the world cup in 2022. obviously business and market implications. as for u.s. stocks. remarkably resilient. closing new record highs on friday.

little changed in the premarket. nothing seems to shake this market. it has the confidence right now of earnings, specially economy getting better. and some confidence on the trump agenda as well. >> thank you so much. greatly appreciate it. general qatar always admiral, sorry. >> i've been called worse. >> i moved to quickly. so admiral, we've always had a fairly complicated relationship with qatar. >> indeed we have. i just want to agree with eamon on a particular point. highly milita ll lly military b in the world. sometimes the arabian golf. and will sometimes the persian gulf. u.s. is hosted in guitar 10,000 men there. planes everywhere. u.s. fleet is up.

just north in the gulf. the opportunities for a short chart conflict at sea iron iranians, qatar, saudis, uae are not significant. >> what's your reaction to what happened this weekend in london? >> well, horror as all of us feel. as i look at what we ought to do about it, first and foremost, we need more alliances. more working together. this is exactly why we need to walk away from ideas that separate us and so when i look at the tweeting about the mayor of london and twisting his words and the reactions of britain, i think this is a good example of why we need international cooperation, but also interagency cooperation. in a private public, look at some of the things google is doing encountering violent extremism online. we need to bring all of those elements together to deal with it successfully.

>> we love having you on. we rarely talking b about the importance of c power. what it's had in history. where are we now as far as the united states being able to flex muscles in the sea. >> the story line is this. cold war ends and the berlin wall falls, china really doesn't have much of a navy. the soviet navy is largely strapped. the oceans look like an american lake. we think that's what it's going to be like. we enjoy 20 years of that frankly. that's when we become very bit of power projection. tom hawk missiles. now we see the russian navy rising again. build 100 ships by 2020. china is technologically upping their game enormously. we don't own the oceans of the world. this book is about the chances and dangers of the sea, but also importance of what we can do there. there's a significant chunk about environment. which is why walking away from the paris accord is so

devastating. not just to climate, but to the impact on the oceans where we get 70% of the world's oxygen. >> talk about the south china sea, how important is that region. >> i would say there are three maritime hot spots in the world today. one we just discussed. the persian gulf. second is eastern mediterranean. russia and united states colliding up against syria. the most dangerous is the south china sea. why. china claims the entire body of water. this would be like the united states claiming the gulf of mexico for essentially historical presidential reasons. the problem is the chinese are actually building islands. that i recall militarizing it enormously. pushing neighbors around it. trying to push the united states out of it. those three rings of the circus most dangerous one in the end is the south china sea. >> the chinese have done a lot there in terms of building islands. if china was more aggressive, do we have allies in that region or is that all the u.s.

>> we absolutely have allies. just as our allies are important combatting terrorism, our allies in aush are crucial in pushing back on chinese. so it's japan, south korea, australia, new zealand. we're developing stronger relationships with vietnam. a little in and out with philippines. they're a treaty ally. the big ball in all of this is india. we need to think of this region as indoe pacific region. >> do any of them have navy. >> they v all have navy. japanese operates superb vessels like our ballistic missile system. best diesel submarines in the world which we don't operate. we fit together nicely with the japanese and south koreans and we need them as well to solve the north korea problem. >> the president has taken up the call. we have the bigger navy. budget doesn't quite do that. do you think he's right

fundamentally the navy is not up to the challenge of global protection. >> i absolutely do. and that's not just admiral talking. every responsible analyst would agree that we need about 350 ships. today we have about 275. granted they're very capable, but quantity does not -- you can't overcome quality without quantity at some point. so over time we're going to need to increase those numbers of ships. this budget hasn't got and it's one area wherele i think the trump administration has said t the. >> the water wars. are those also a major threat in the perspective of the navy we have to adapt for or do we have the skills or tools to do them. >> we have adapted fairly well

to combatting if you will, terrorism at sea. we kind of link the london attacks with this idea of the navy. we often say 9/11 was not a failure of intelligence. it was a failure of imagination. imagine if you can a significant terrorist attack against one of these massive civilian cruise liners at sea. i think that's on the radar screen. secondly, in the end, kim jong-un probably won't fire an intercontinental ballistic missile at us. we know exactly where it came from. what he might do is put one on a container on a ship and steam it into long beach harbor. these risks at sea require different tool sets. we've been working on them. we need more work to do. >> how safe are ports from that sort of challenge. >> they're not terribly safe. we think of airports as not being safe and see evidence of it frequently. i think the reason we are not seeing incidents on ports is not because we have better security.

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with us now is managing editor at red state, jay caruso. you visited north georgia five months into donald trump's presidency and you write about it in "the atlantic." while trump supporters want him to focus on the big picture issues such as health care and tax reform the president spends most of his time consumed with the trav yalties other presidents leave for spokespeople to handle. he sees the presidency as brand to sell rather than a political office which to shape the country. they worry about trump alienating the swing voters, some of the members will need to win re-election. but if they make their concerns public trump supporters may see it as an attempt to underline the president. they're left to perform a high wire act of politics and personal persuasion without alienating their own voters. jay, it is great to have you on

the show and well this morning is a perfect example. he got into a tweet storm that certainly undercut his standing with the supreme court coming up. >> yeah. you know, this is the kind of thing that, you know, the people that i had spoken to in cartersville, probably don't care about too much but here in d.c. it's been -- it certainly is going to give him a lot of trouble with fellow -- you know, with people in congress and people talking to, you know, gop leaders and even democratic leaders. that's going to be a problem. >> and what point -- so talk about the responses you got mainly when you went out and talked to people in -- as you called it the middle of trump country. >> bartow county where trump carried something like 75% of the vote over hillary clinton. and, you know, interestingly enough, most of the people that i spoke to weren't like trump supporters from the start.

they had, you know, they either had supported ben carson or they isn't -- it didn't matter, they were going to vote for the republican. but, you know, the whole idea was that they weren't concerned so much about, you know, the kind of insider d.c. politics things that as lot of us kind of cover on a day-to-day basis, they were more concerned about, you know, is he going to repeal obamacare, is he going to get tax reform passed. that's what they were concerned about. >> nick confessore here, i'm curious, i do reporting trips like the one you were just on and i find that politics in the real world and the way people experience it are very divorced from politics of the way people in washington experience it. i wonder what you learned about what's actually important and what actually breaks through to grassroot supporters of donald trump at a time like this when things are chaotic in washington and bad for him in washington? >> well, i mean one of the gentleman that i spoke to recently retired. you know, he seems to think that

a lot of this isn't trump's fault because he said i wish they would leave him alone to do his job, so -- and there was, of course, you know, the media was not spoken very highly of and, you know, basically it boils down to he -- they seem to have the impression that, you know, that d.c. and the media and everybody else is kind of against him and not allowing him to do what he needs to do. of course that seems a little -- it seems a little odd when you consider that most of what he's done and the problems he's having and the reason he's below 40% in polls are wounds that are self-inflicted. this morning a perfect example with him undercutting his own justice department. >> and then attacking his own justice department, which actually works for him. >> and whose decision was done in consultation with the white house. >> with him. it was his decision. now he's attacking people who work for him. his subordinates. >> jay, what are the economic

conditions in that county and of the people you talked to? >> well everybody -- the people that i spoke to, i went there early in the morning so most of the people who were there that were getting ready to go to work, a couple were retired, one couple that i spoke to they owned their small business owners and, you know, so the economic conditions there aren't bad. it's, you know, it's just as well as anywhere else in the united states. so there wasn't any kind of -- there wasn't any concern about jobs or anything like that. i think again one person i spoke to, to give you an idea of how detached they are, when i asked her what she thought about the neil gorsuch nomination she said i don't know who that is. she said speak to me in four years and i'll let you know how trump did. the overall theme it's so soon and early that we can't grade him just yet. >> all right. jay caruso, thank you so much. >> thank you. >> appreciate it. >> fascinating article and look forward to having you back soon.

that line right there, is the disconnect. there are so many people -- a small subset of americans that watch cable news 24 hours a day, that are on twitter, that are engage and that follow it day in and day out like a baseball team, so many americans who say, like the lady told jake, talk to me in four years, okay. just relax. i'm here like working and raising my kids. i'll talk to you in four years. >> i think they also watch a lot of the president's actions on foreign issues, on foreign policy issues with the same kind of perspective he's standing up and fighting for america's interests, particularly on issues like nato, the allies have to pay more, the paris climate. i don't think they want to get into the weeds of it. they're looking at it from the position of america first, and he's delivering it to those voters in georgia and elsewhere. >> the screaming headlines, just look at the screaming headline, trump, you know, pounds nato say pay your fair share. trump tells london, no, don't

get used to terror. we'll never get used to terror. you can do down the list. trump calls federal judges out of touch and overly political. >> yeah. and i'll say again, the question to me is, all that stuff help or hurt his chances of passing major legislation this year? the clock is ticking. congress is back but they're not going to be in very much this year and this stuff, most member es of congress, republicans, see this as a distraction that hurts his prospects of passing health care or tax reform. >> is that the scorecard? is the scorecard -- >> i don't think it is. >> do you pass anything in congress? >> i think maybe it's not. which is a bizarre thing to say. but i'm coming to realize from stories like jay's, from my own reporting, that for a lot of people, i'm not sure how many, the trump presidency is a performance, it's a performance for them, and the performance is in some ways more important than the accomplishmentses or policy, it's do they feel invigorated and felt and heard by him and that's a very different kind of

politics than we've seen before in this country. >> donald trump, his primary opponent in the republican primary was a bush. and the general election, it was a clinton. for a lot of people across america, that wasn't even a close call. it was a break from politics as usual. well anyway, tomorrow morning on "morning joe" we're going to be talking to epa administrator scott pruitt following the president pulling out of the paris climate agreement and on wednesday the vice chair of the senate intel committee mark warner, one day ahead, of james comey's big testimony on capitol hill on thursday which will be the event most likely of the week. that does it for this morning. stephanie ruhle picks up the coverage now. stephanie? >> thanks so much, joe. good morning. we got a lot to cover. starting with man on the run, president trump pushing for a stronger travel ban