have done crisis rk. michael has done it. you need advocates. they need to defend him. that's what you are laughing about. >> you can't name any. you are invited back any time. thank you to kristen welker. thanks to our panel. mike feldman and susan. that does it for this hour. "mtp daily" starts now. if it's tuesday, when it comes to twitter, can you just say no? tonight, the fog of trump. is the constant chaos turning into republican fatigue with the president? plus a top democrat said there is a lot we don't yet know about russian hacking of the election.

>> the extent is much broader than reported so far. >> homeland security secretary jay johnson joins me. if president trump is so concerned with alleged fake news, why did he try to pull one over on all of us yesterday? this is "mtp daily" and it starts right now. good evening. i'm chuck todd in new york city. welcome to m 2r"mtp daily" and president trump seems to have gone 8 bit rogue from james comey. this is not the first time we have seen this. the president is stuck in a cycle of petty fights that seem to get worse in a crisis. he is stepping all over his own administration. he is making a mess of the russia issue. the governing issue is to feed the base. he still has affection for experience theories which he will talk about on twitter.

the conflicts of interest are sitting out there on the sidelines and of course there is bipartisan concerns about the dysfunctional nature of the west wing. it's a mess. that seems to be getting worse. it feels as if there is a growing cross section of conservatives in addition the general public who seem to be fed up with the president's behavior right now. here's the top republican on the armed services committee today. john mccain. >> what's your reaction to the president going after the london mayor on twitter days after this terrorist attack in their own city. >> you can't make it up. >> that's mccain. here's somebody closer to the president. top senate republican mitch mcconnell. >> i am not a fan of the president's tweets. that still remains my view. >> senate foreign relations republican chairman bob corker who went golfing with the

approximate t president on sunday. >> probably best to refrain on 140 characters on topics that are so important. >> those are rather diplomatic ways of going about it. this isn't. president trump is just a duchl bleep with a twitter account who cannot help himself. that was erick erickson. >> kellyanne conway seems to have had enough after he tweet shamed his own justice department after watering down travel ban which held up in the courts. conway tweeted this. they may make some people feel better, but they won't help the office get five votes which is what actually matters. sad. the white house responded to the president's twitter critics today. >> the same people critiquing his use critiqued him in the election. it turned out pretty well for him. >> it's not just the tweets.

they are getting tired of the blame shifting. the buck stops everywhere else. some people with a propensity for self destructive behavior can't help themselves. president trump among them. the most effective proponent is donald j. trump. sign that is the general public is starting to grow fed up. the president's approval rating is consistently in the mid-to high 30s. 38% today. while his eroding base might love the decision to exit the paris climb et agreement, the general public doesn't. many parts of the president's not that deep seeded base, but many other parts of it. they are in danger of ditching him at a time when he arguably needs them the most. i am joined by chris collins of new york, the first member of kong to endorse then candidate

donald trump. congressman? >> good to be with you. >> i heard you all day today in a couple of interviews being open and welcoming to the president's tweets and at th same time saying well, i may not haveded for instance a tweet at the london mor the same way. can you be for the open and unfiltered tweet storms that he does as a citizen and at the same time as a lawmaker realize how bad it is for your ability to get anything done on capitol hill? >> a couple of things here, chuck. i know because i am ground zero of trump supporters in the northeast, his supporters do want to hear from him as directly as his tweets allow him to do. it's honest and unfiltered. i try to make sure people realize it's not necessarily policy. policy gets filtered and the lawyers are looking at it and

the political advisers and his supporters love the fact that this is donald trump unfiltered. it shows you where his heart and head is at. i think, chuck, when you get into congress here, what we are watching obviously and seeing what's happening, but we are busy tomorrow. i'm in hearings and energy and commerce committee doing mark ups and we are getting ready to vote on basically the repeal and replacement of dodd frank that is devastating to the banks and the credit costs. i can assure everyone congress is busy working as we should through the committee and mark ups and will bills and legislation. we are not letting the tweets distract us. president trump is not going to change. many of us enjoy it. i know his supporters do. you might as well enjoy it. >> that's fine if his supporters

do, but 2/3 of americans said he shouldn't be tweeting as much and many think not at all. he himself said he didn't. for instance, look at today. he seemed to confirm that the united states is okay with all of the gulf and the shab and egypt and various other gulf state countries in the persian gulf region. essentially to cut all ties with qatar. a country where there is a bunch of american men and women service members right now. that seemed to be an irresponsible use of twitter. was it not? >> again, i'm not the president. i don't even tweet myself. i don't disagree that there will be and have been and i'm sure in the future be issues and i guess it's fair to say qatar is one.

so in that situation, there could be consequences, but at the end of the day, by and large certainly his supporters do like him tweeting and we will see where all this goes. i don't disagree with your comment in that particular instance. it's not policy. that's the nuances. >> let me ask you this. you keep saying that and i heard you saying that earlier. this is the president of the united states. his words matter whether he says it from the oval office or is tweeting them. are you saying they shouldn't matter the sa? >> they should not matter the same. donald trump being donald trump the human being who happens to be our president and tweeting on the top of his mind and then subsequently again six ways to sunday gets filtered and gets nuanced by attorneys and by other policy makers and we have certainly seen this those

situations where the ultimate policy does not necessarily go in lock step with a tweet even though fundamentally it may be a similar policy. certainly trump tweeting and trump policy are nuanced differently. >> you are asking a lot. in all fairness, you are asking a lot of the american people to discern between the two and do you understand if they don't? >> i do. i completely understand. i can discern between the two and i do understand others may not. i accept that, chuck. that's just my take on it. >> i want to ask you about the director's testimony. what's the line where you start to have trouble with the story being told at the white house. people have said it's close to him and indicated that there seems to be the president is trying to get him to lay off the michael flynn investigation. if that turns out to be the facts, does that meet obstruction of justice for you?

>> let me you and i don't know what is going to be said. i'm not on that committee. if i look back at the timing of this and we know that michael flynn resigned on february 23rd that evening. i remember that because i was talking about it. the meeting that happened shortly after that, a member meeting and my particular thinking on that, i know how close general flynn was through the campaign with michael flynn. a good friend. he is resigned and stepping aside. let's not pile on. you see this a lot. michael flynn resigned and let it be gone. if that was done a day or two

after, well before some other things came to light. i think you have to cut president trump a lot of slack on that. because of the timing. this was not a discussion that he had in may. it's not appropriate to say we fired him. is that appropriate? >> leave the guy alone. we have seen too many cases in new york state. i think half our leadership has gone to jail. in many tass, he paid the price and resigned. in this case the resignation occurred on february 23rd. it wouldn't be uncommon for donald trump and president trump, a loyal individual to say isn't this enough? why don't we let this go?

in my opinion it doesn't meet obstruction of justice. appreciate you sharing yow views. >> joining me now is joe manchin. a lot of americans are going to be watching him question senator combo thursday. first let me get your take on the president and tweeting. he said he's in the heart of trump country. you represent a state that the president did well in. what do you hear about his tweets. do they want more or less? >> i don't hear much about it to be honest with you, chuck. as far as the people like or dislike, they wish it would calm down a bit and give it a break.

people in west virginia, confidence that we can do the job and we were not compromised. this concern is concerning to all the people. >> you talk about confidence. how much confidence do you have in this president handling intelligence information? how much do you have in this president on the foreign policy now that you heard that he took out 27 words in a speech to nato that would reaffirm the u.s.'s commitment to nato? >> that's concerning to me and i hope he gets more comfortable. in the intel committee, things

that they can do is unbelievable. that confidence, there is something missing that we have to connect the dots a there has to be an understanding. we are the best of the best. >> does that lack of confidence and does that give you confidence? >> it's concerning. my concern is this. if anybody with a high enough level in having the clearances that we have being on intel committee and the president and his staff need to go to the president and see things that our people are doing and working to keep you safe. how good they are. they will build that level and the trust level. that's my concern. they have not taken time or maybe put forth the effort to

understand the capabilities and the quality of people we have. how are you preparing to be better prepared as a questioner? >> we have been going through the different records and whether i don't think we will get comey into a closed meeting in us so we can go at it on what intel we have above the open source. >> you are speaking a lot of washington words here. basically places where you can see classified materials. >> places where we can see it and talk about it and be able to ask questions that the public is never going to hear. we are satisfied in representing the public that we know what's going on. that will be an open meeting and everyone will be seeing thursday. i'm preparing by going through open sources to connect the dots. so i sent out to all wt

virginians on my website. let me know what questions you want to make sure are asked. >> you saw that on social media. >> that's unbelievable. they are very, very good. very articulate. we are sorting them out and you have 20 of the top ones that are unbelievable. really good. >> does the committee have the former director comey's memos that he will be referring to? >> we do not. i asked that question. i have not seen that nor do i think we have them. >> you don't think the leadership has one of the things they may let you see. >> the gang of eight which is going to be the chairman and vice chairman and leaders if they have them. i can't speak to that. >> if director comey testifies to what all of his friends say he may testify to, the president asked him to stop the investigation into mike flynn,

does that meet your definition of obstruction of justis? >> most frequently from west virginia, i got if director comey at the time was meeting and having a dinner with the president and he felt that there was crossing the line, if you will. why didn't he act upon that? that was the question. why wouldn't he act upon that? he is still the head of the fbi or just coming back to his office and writing memos and putting them in the file. that was the question that was unbelievable how many times we got ked that question. that's one of our estions. >> does that concern you before? >> that does concern me. if it was at that level to where you thought had been breech and felt that the line had been crossed and obstruction of justice was something that had been done, why didn't you act upon it?

>> you kept saying this was an open source hearing. set expectations. a lot of people think they will hear -- does this mean you won't hear much about the current russia investigation? this is only about the director's interactions with president trump and maybe the director's actions involving the initial decisions with the clinton e-mails? >> the only thing i would say to the public that will be watching, you have seen other high profile hearings here in washington. the high profile hearings when you get to a certain level, they say this is something i can't talk about. you might be hearing that quite a bit, but it won't stop them from asking the questions. it's going to be interesting. >> yes, it is. i think this is one of the rare occasions that we will gather as a country. we may not agree, but we will gather. >> we have to coming to and quit

playing politics. >> what are we found out about what we know and don't know about russian election hacking.

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what you have been able to accomplish, it doesn't mean anything about being able to actually govern new jersey. i think that's the problem we have seen in the past and potentially the problem we will have in the future. the lessons learned on wall street are not about how to govern a state like new jersey. >> that's why this is an issue and i did talk to murphy who said he needs a leader to move on from governor christie. >> we are a state that has been failed by special interest. there is a bubble at trend on and everybody in that bubble seems to be doing fine at the expense of everybody else. we need real leadership and reimagining the state and leader should be that understands how yogrow the economy and how you make it fair again. how you get back to standin for the right things again. >> you can catch the full interviews with the two

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nbc editor from politics and commentary magazine noah rothman. welcome to you all. noah, i'm going to start with you. you guys are not shy about critiquing the president in his critiques and the way he messages. it seems as if there is -- it appears to be trump fatigue on the right. not among the core supporters, but among the folks that decided to tolerate trump and vote for him. they are the ones struggling. >> i can only speak for myself when i say that fatigue is something that i have come to terms with. as a general atmosphere we exist in. in a macro level, there is evidence that trump voters are beginning to jump off. we had a post today that was

informative working off of a poll since the project. that's not the trump base. they have been voting since 2000. they should be concerned about it. >> that's from our boy. it got real with the tweets where it's problematic. he tweeted about the qatar news in the mideast. during my recent visit to the mideast, i stated there can no longer be funding of the ideology and leaders pointed to qatar. look. a lot of american service men in qatar right now. >> they met on his big overseas trip and the great trendship. the twitter issue is a bigger thing for his base than what a

lot of trump voters will bring it up even unprovoked and say i wish he wouldn't tweet so much. it makes people uncomfortable and looks unhinged. even if you like his goals, it's not a presidential way to communicate. >> no one is comfortable with a tweet that talks about the terrorist attacks. he went golfing with the president on sunday and couldn't bring himself to defend this. >> you have to wonder if his name is not khan, would he have criticized the mayor as he did. i didn't hear the confidence in his voice you normally hear when he is making the president's case. there is no doubt that polling data will continue to show it, but we are leading up to the president. i'm not a fan of jim comey, but one thing you can say, he will protect jim comey. he is going to present a more

formidable and compelling and dynamic information. the president said he may tweet. it looks as if he is consumed. he claims we are consumed by russia. he is consumed by this. his tweeting gets harsher and more negative and defensive when russia is in the news. >> the press eats up his tweets. his supporters want action and believe these are obstacles. it's the media that is entertained by the tweets and move the ball forward and they press people like bob corker. that happens to be a strategic set back and he thought the same. it is a problem. >> they were talking about trying to mediate this when he

was halfway around the world literally with jim mattis. the president cut him off at the knees. how does he mediate now? >> this is a problem that trump is out for trump. is not protecting his staff or the team. it's starting to show in big ways and small. it's thing to under cut staff. it's another thing if a mission is in peril. this is why we have learned in the last couple of days, the white house team and others have reported that the whole idea of a war room fell apart. how can you isolate and protect this guy and form a flank around it if he will say. >> the idea that russia is consuming him, was there a more loyal soldier to donald trump's campaign when nobody else took him seriously.

the guy cares enough to do the right thing to do legally and ethically and the president is furious with him over the russia decision. >> you said it better than i could say it. george conway who is respectable. >> kellyanne conway's husband. >> for him to have the necessity to tweet, the press is intgued and consumed with the material because it's really him and has his own team and you are hurting yourself and all of us as you do this. cutting his team at the knees. there was a time because he chose kelly and mattis, they can quit if they want. they are rooting for them to stay regardless.

who might take this job if you are concerned? >> they can say what have i signed up for? >> i'm not sure if they had an option there. it wasn't just because of the russians. >> essentially a surrogate. why get angry at what is forced upon him? he is going tomorrow and will ask questions. >> i'm not going to speak for that, but remember sure, the deodora deodorant? never let them see you sweat. the president is letting all of us see him sweat. still ahead, what we learned about the extent of the

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welcome back. we have new details about russian government efforts to

hack the u.s. election after a top secret agency document was leaked by an intelligence agency contractor. the leaked nsa report published by the intercept is dated just last month. it shows analysis of a month's long russian effort that penetrated u.s. voting systems. the nsa's analysis doesn't say the hacking had an effect on the election's out come, but does say there is a lot they don't know about the extent of what the russians were able to plush. some of them did know, but some contradicts what they tell us on the days after the election. such as december when president obama said his biggest concern was a potential russian hacking that could impact the vote counting. >> in early september when i saw president putin in china, i felt that the most effective way to ensure that that didn't happen

was to talk to him directly. and tell him to cut it out. in fact we did not see further tampering of the election process. >> according to the leaked document, the tampering did continue far past september. was the obama administration not aware or were they not being fully truthful? with "usa today's" chief susan paige. >> i don't believe they got into changing outcomes, but if the extent of the attacks is broader than reported so far. >> joining me now is former homelandecurit secretary jay johnson. good to see you, sir. >> nice to see you and be back. >> help me out with the timeline. the president in december said in september he went to vladamir putin and said cut it out.

that was a separate issue. this had to do with the integrity of the election. as late as late october or early november, there was hacking attempts. we don't know how successful yet, but there was hacking attempts. did you know that then? and if so, why not tell us? >> chuck, i'm going to disagree with the pretext about there being something new. i obviously can't comment on a classified report of any type even that is leaked publicly. i will say this. as a general matter we were very concerned last fall about what we saw and we said this publicly several times about what we saw as russian efforts to scan and probe and state election officials systems. we said that. jim clapper and i said that on

october seventh and publicly on january 6th. we saw efforts by russian intelligence at scanning and probing voter registration databases and we were concerned about it. that's why i encouraged all throughout august, september, october state election officials to come to us for cer security asstance in the department of homeland security. r the most part, they did. i was pleased with that. i uncovered a number of vulnerabilities which we helped them correct. it is the case that we see and we saw no actual altering of voter counts. >> do you know that for sure? i say that because in florida there is follow-up reporting on this. you can't speak to the classified memo, but the company is based in florida and

tallahassee and it was masking themselves as an e-mail sending fishing e-mails: at least two counties were aware of this. we are just finding this out now. >> two things. >> we don't know how many thousands did this. >> one, i know of no such evidence. i have not been- >> this is as of january 20th? >> i have not been privy tow classified information since january. it has been 4.5 months. i know of no such evidence that counts were altered by any type of cyber attack. i will say this. we were very concerned that a bad actor could infiltrate voter registration and this is where a lot of effort was focused rightly. perhaps wipe out a list and voters registration from the

rolls in key places. we saw this activity around a mber of states. that's why we were anxious to get the states to come to us and we declared it to be critical. >> did you leave with open election investigations going on? >> the president wanted us to do an after action report which we did. there was a public version of that that went out on january 6th. i would encourage officials in the chair now to continue looking at this issue and continue to look at how the cyber security can be improved. >> do you, looking back and you have been asked this question multiple times in the transition process. this is the first time i have talked to you about six months removed.

i know you believe the president and yourself and all of you should have told the public more about the extent of this? >> we told the public a lot on friday october 7. in blunt terms. >> something else that happened that day. i hate to say it, but there was a big story that day. >> when i issued that statement, intel was not in blunt terms. i thought to myself, we accused a super power of trying to interfere with our election. it was below the news that day because it was the same day as the "access hollywood" video. that got everyone's attention. >> you take exception with the criticism at you guys didn't tell us enough. >> i take issue with the criticism. we were very anxious to tell the public what we saw.

so that the voters could be informed and it would have been unforgivable to sit on this and not tell the voter what is we saw. >> there is nothing that is going to come out that you are unaware of that makes people think that you put out everything you could put out. >> there are always lessons learned and i cannot foreclose the possibility that there would be greater knowledge. i can't foreclose that possibility based on past experience dealing with the national security matters, but what the russians did was very serious. they very definitely interfered with our political process during the election season. i know of no intel that they actually altered vote counts or election reporting. what they did was clearly something very significant and serious. we have to make sure it doesn't

happen again. >> before i let you go, is there an upside in a president so comfortable on social media? >> um, let me tell you one thing. every time i see one of the early morning tweets, when i was secretary, i would get up at 5:00 a.m. and look at the news. once a month there would be something that would infuriate me and i would come to work and before i took my coat off and had my coffee, i would type out a statement. then i wouldake a deep breath. i would show mystf. i would show my press people and say look at this. 90% of the time they said you can't say that publicly. at the very least clean up the typos. then i go about my day and move on to 10 other issues. >> you with your rational ideas that others have also passed on to the west wing. jay johnson, department of homeland security secretary, good to see you.

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radical islam for political correctness -- >> it's lid time. you don't have to shake your head. there is a super pac, not any super pac. president trump, one of president trump's super pacs with an ad they're going to run on thursday about james comey. wow. is james comey running for something? >> what's the point of that? what is the point of that? >> well, i guess they're trying -- they're worried about the credibility comey has. he has more credibility than president trump. they know it. >> yes, he does, he yes, he does. >> if you can make him into a lit cal actor, he's just another politician. >> as we were saying before we dame back here, he is the reason donald trump is the president. so, it's all through the looking glass. >> which, by the way, the ad itself, while terror attacks were on the rise last year comey was consumed with election meddling. >> that meddling helped get

donald trump elected. >> i guess you can give them credit for having a sense of humor for that line. james comey is one of the most dramatic story tellers in politics. he i don't think will disappoint come this week. >> as we were talking, there may be high expectations. i think he's going to meet some of that. i'm curious see what rosenstein says tomorrow. two questions, no ut do. did you tell him three times he was not under investigation? two, i think joe manchin, his constituents said it best. if you thought that this was obstruction of justice, did you so corrupt it? and the legal standard of that and we'll see where it does. if marco rubio or some republican asks that question it takes on a different level of meaning. >> the president is punching down at a private citizen. i don't know how this reflects poorly on james comey more so than it does donald trump's political apparatus. this is the president who feels embattled and is acting embattled and is under a lot of pressure from his own actions. so, this is just really

directing attention to the russia investigation, to president trump's problems, and not to, again, his legislative agenda and the people who are hanging on desperately for some sign of success out of this administration. >> to that point, if they had a really good counter programming plan this week, they could have done a good job of talking about it. this is supposed to be infrastructure week, talking about roads and bridges and things all people want theoretically. they have no legislative plan. the first thing he came out with was privatizing the air traffic control. and it's not exactly something that is -- we're discussing around the dinner table, most families. he's going to ohio tomorrow to talk a little bit about infrastructure, but again, no plan for pushing something forward. so, had he had this sense of moving an agenda, it could have taken a little of the attention off of this, a little bit. they're not doing it well. >> we keep hearing sthe want to borrow a book from the clinton play book. clinton was stewing every night. he couldn't stand ken starr, uldn't stand what cgress was doing. maybe it's a good thing twitter

didn't exist. he did events. he would sit there and sometimes stubbornly pretend that he was focused on some, you know, ribbon cutting ceremony. >> national matter. they're doing the exact opposite. this president is consumed. not only is he consumed, he's talking about it. he's leading the charge. you wonder why think can't do what you're saying, which would be smart? because the president won't allow it. if he were tweeting about a bridge falling down in pennsylvania they're going to rebuild, a road in ohio that needs to be rebuilt, people would say let's focus there. he's not doing that. >> the live tweets, how disastrous. >> he's trying to counter program. he's going to ohio. it will probably be weird. i don't know if it's going to be disastrous, but it's going to give cable news something to focus on that is not the comey hearing. that's the point. where are you aligned with. >> i know we're trying to figure out graphically how to figure out to have comey and trump tweeting at the same time. interesting television.

>> says you. >> after the break, stop me if you've heard this one before. >> do you stand by your comments you would call for impeachment? >> i have nothing to add. >> whose word do you believe more, president trump or james comey? >> i have nothing to add. >> do you stand by that comments? >> i have nothing further to add. >> do you think the president may have obstructed justice? >> i have nothing further to add. >> do you still have full confidence in the president? >> i have nothing further to add. what's the best way to get

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in case you missed it, president trump told a joke today about his son-in-law. >> jared's actually become more famous than me. [ laughter ] >> i'm a little bit upset about that. >> and in case you missed it, the president has told the exact same joke before about someone else back in january.

>> please becohe's become more me. >> that's right, the president said that 107 days before he ended up firing fbi director comey. dad tells jokes i, too, sometimes repeat my punch line. i'm wondering if you're jared, are you supposed to take this in fun or are you nervous that joke is say precursor for something? for the record with greta starts a couple minutes late. i apologize. it's all yours. >> coumost would tell the president, don't do it, but will he? the white house not denying it, but today when asked if president trump will live tweet during the comey testimony, it is true, the president has an insatiable appetite for twitter. he might not be able to stop himself. much anticipated testimony in years, is less than two days from now. how is the white house h