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dan rather is here which i'm excited about. we have a few new pieces of information to break on what is going on in washington with the, what appears it be the mush rooming scandal around the president. we have a few new exclusive pieces of information on that tonight. last night a colombia loosely professor assessed letter from congress. this was the letter. dear professor, daniel richman at columbia, yesterday in the senate the fired director of the fbi, james comey, put the spotlights on professor daniel richmond when comey told the world about his decision to make public his notes that he wrote up after this meeting that he had with the president in which they says presidents told him that the fbi should let go its ongoing criminal investigation

into this trump national security adviser mike flynn. director comey explained yesterday under oath that the way he decided to publicize those notes and that memo he wrote about his interactio with the president was that he gave it to his good friend who worked at columbia law school, and he give his professor friend the instruction that he should then pass on that memo to a reporter. and so after that testimony under oath yesterday from james comey, last night james comey's professor friend at columbia law school, he got this letter from congress, from the senate explaining that director comey had all but said that professor richmond had in his possession this potentially incriminating memo about the president, and could professor richmond please hand the memo over to congress right now. and i mean i had the when i say right now.

mr. comey's memoranda we ask that you provide copies of all the them that you received no later than june 19, 2017. check your waum calendar. it's june 9th, 2017, today. quick turn around, right? the senate heard yesterday from james comey this professor at columbia had comey's memo about trump supposedly trying to kibosh the investigation. they heard that yesterday that the professor had that memo. they wrote to the professor last night telling him to hand it ov, and they gave him a decline dad which is interesting.

cnn's man raj, he further reports tonight that professor richmond has been in touch with that committee as of tonight, but we can report that whether or not he's been in touch with them, he has not handed over the memo. microbiology this is kind of a stressful position for your average law professor to find himself in. but, hey, it's turning out these are stressful times. now, there's obviously a lot going on in the news at large right now. first and foremost, there's the u.k. election, which is fascinating and a total shocker and has implications for the u.k. and europe. also has interesting implications for us. he'd love to be deposed by the special counsel investigating the trump russia matter. seems unlikely that he really wants to do that, but he said today he'd love to. there's also the matter of this ticking time bomb that is now potentially set to go off in the u.s. senate when it comes to health care.

the senate may be moving toward at a vote that would kick over 20 million americans off health insurance. there's a lot going on. we're going to get to all those things this hour. we have dan rather here and some expert legal advice coming up on the show tonight, advice that may surprise you. but there are a few new things we've been able to report out tonight that i want to let you know right off the bat. the first is the news of that law professor who has a copy of james comey's memo describing the president supposedly trying to shut down on ongoing fbi investigation. at law pfessor not turning over that memo to the senate despite the senate telling him he had until today to hand it over. that obviously relates to the possibility of obstruction of justice, which is this central question in terms of the fate presidency. did the president try to stop ongoing fbi investigations? now, the special counsel, robert

muller, he was appointed to look into the russia issue, right? he was appointed to look into the specific question of who weather the trump campaign or any trump associates helped or cooperated with the russians in this russian attack on our election last year. the order appointing bob muller to be special counsel said i don't have any idea that investigation he could also investigated and prosecute any other matters that, quote, arise from that russia investigations. well, it now seems clear that one of the matters that has arisen from the russia investigation is this possibility there's been an attempt to obstruct justice in this matter potentially by the president of the united states himself. and although the muller investigation, the spokesperson for bob muller is not confirming that overtly, that bob muller is now investigating whether the

president instructed obstructed we're sure that's what he's working on. first reason is because james comey said so under oath yestday tce. >> do you sense the president was trying to obstruct justice or just seek for a way for mike flynn to save face given he had already been fired. >> general flynn at that point was in legal jeopardy. there was an open fbi criminal investigation of his statements in connection with the russian contacts and the contacts themselves. so that was my assessment at the time. i don't think it's for me to say whether the conversation i had with the president was an effort to obstruct. i took it as a very disturbing thing, very concerning, but that's a conclusion i'm sure the special counsel will work towards to understand the intention there. >> do you believe this will arise to the obstruction of justice?

>> i don't know that's bob muller's job to sort that out. >> the special counsel will try to work to understand whether the obstruction intent was tlft that's the first obvious reason we believe the special counsel, bob muller is investigating whether anyone potentially including the president might have try to obstruct justice in the russia investigation. first reason we think that is bluntly because james comey said so yesterday under oath twice. the other reason we believe that the special counsel bob muller is investigating whether there was an obstruction of justice is because of this. >> so you didn't consider your memo or sense of that conversation to be a government document? you considered it to be somehow your own personal document that you could share with the media as you wanted to? >> correct >> through a friend? >> i understd this to be my rellection reported of m conversation with the president as a private i see citizen. i felthat important to get it

out. >> were all your memos that you reported on classified or other documents memos that might be yours as a private citizen? >> i'm sorry. i'm not for that the question. >> you used classified -- >> not the classified documents. unclassified i don't have any of them anymore. i gave them to the special counsel. >> so that means any notes, any memoranda james comey wrote about his interactions with president trump, he has handed them over to the special counsel, robert muller. and that's a simple thing, but it has a couple of really important implications. the first of which is that may be what's complicating the issue of this poor law professor. the fact bob muller has these documents, that may be the complicating factor as to whether or not jim comey's

friend, this law professor can hand over his copy of the memo to the senate. that may be what's making this a hard night for that law professor. but the fact james comey gave his modems about his conversations to the special counsel that implies pretty strongly they are investigating potential obstruction of justice by the approximate president. we know he never talked to the president about russia o abo the russian attack on our election. james comey said under oath the president never brought that attack up, never expressed any concern about that russian attack to him ever, even once. so bob muller's only investigating the russia attack and possible trump campaign involvement in the russia attack. these memos aren't about the russia attack. if that's all he's investigating there's no reason for him to be reviewing james comey's memos about his interactions with

president trump. the only reason they would need those memories if he's investigating the possibility of something else besides the russian attack. >> do you believe this will rise to the obstruction of justice? >> i don't know. that's bob muller's job to sort that out. >> bob muller, special counsel, as of tonight appears very strongly to be investigating whether the president of the united states, donald trump, committed obstruction of justice. now, the race is on to confirm that for a fact, but in the absence of direct confirmation, it really seems clear by every indication that that's what he's doing. so we've got james comey saying under oath that president trump was not the subject personally of a counterintelligence investigation by the fbi into the russian attack on our election and possible collusion.

but it appears that he very much may be the subject of the special counsel's investigation into the potential obstruction of justice. so here's the other thing going on about that tonight that is turning into a really interesting question. bob muller appears to be investigating obstruction of justice. is congress investigating that too? we know the intelligence committees are investigating the russia side of this t russia attack, whether they colluded in the russia attack. mike flynn handed over this week hundreds of pages to the house and senate intelligence committees in response to their subpoenas after initially taking the 5th. we know they're looking at russia. is anybody in congress looking into whether or not the white house tried to obstruct justice or illegally medals with or block the russia investigations? is that bob muller alone or is

congress working on that too? as of tonight we have a lot more information about it. it looks like the answer to that is possibly the committees in congress that would have jurisdiction over obstruction of justice by the president or obstruction of justice by other officials in the executive branch, the committees that would have jurisdiction over that would be the judiciary committees. the chairman. judiciary committee in the house is republican congressmen bob got lat. he appears to have no interest whatsoever in investigating this matter. he's certainly taken no steps to exercise his compete's oversight role in this at all. i should tell you as an aside, since president trump has been office, the only reason he's made any news at all is because he brewed up a local controversy home in virginia when he got his speeding ticket amendment, so they dinged him for a faulty

speedometer. that's the only way he's made news. and he's got the committee in the house that would oversee something like an investigation into obstruction of justice. a democrat on his committee, congressmen lewis gutierrez wrote and said basically we're the judiciary committee, this is our turf, we should be investigating potential obstruction of justice now that the serious allegations have been levied against the president, let's have the president testify under oath before our committee. but that's just a request to the chairman by one democrat on the committee. doesn't seem like he's going to do anything on this. on the senate side though, ding, ding, ding. >> comey said this would be the only testimony tomorrow. are you prepared to issue a subpoena or try to get him before the senate judiciary committee? >> if under you are laws -- our

rules of our committee, if scenario feinstein would agree to subpoena, i would. >> that's that good cnn reporter i mentioned before, manu raj from cnn. that'sim door stopping republican senator chuck grassly being questioned he says if the top democrat on my committee, if dianne feinstein wants to issue subpoenas in this part of investigation, let's say she wants to issue a subpoena, yes, we will do that. i will agree to that. you know what, i think senator dianne feinstein might want to do something like that, tonight she has just issued this. quote, mr. chairman, in my capacity as ranking member, it is my strong recommendation that the judiciary committee investigate all issues that raise a question of obstruction

of justice. these should be developed by our legal staff, and subject to full committee hearings. this is a letter from dianne feinstein to the chairman of the judiciary committee tonight, chuck grassly. she summarizes comey's sworn testimony, these absolutely explosive allegations against the president that the president pressured the fbi director to kibosh this active investigating into mike flynn. and, of course, james comey says the president punished him on that, the president says new york city i didn't. the question is whether or not james comey has anything to back up his story. we know he says he has a memo he wrote after the meeting. now everyone's trying to get a hold of that memo. but beyond that memo which they're trying to pry out of this poor professor and trying to pry out of comey and p away from muller and pry out of the fbi, beyond that memo, tonight

senator dianne feinstein takes it one step further. james comey says there's another way his side of the story can be corroborated. number one, he's swearing under oath, number two, he has a memo he wrote that night, and number three, he says he told other people right then when it happened who can back him up. and we saw this coming last night. here it is. quote, director comey testified that he spoke to a number of individuals about his conversation with the president shortly after it happened. according to hiss oral testimony, this included the following individuals. one, deputy director of the fbi, andrew mccabe much chief of staff to the fbi director gym rib biccy. general counsel of the fbi, james baker, associate deputy director of the fbi, number three person in the agency, david bough ditch, and chief of the national security branch, carl gat tas. dianne feinstein lists them all

by name and tells chuck grassly that the judiciary committee should hear from those witnesses basically to see if they corroborate james comey's testimony. so regardless of the russia attack and this huge existential question of whether the russians had american con fed rats helping them in that attack, separate issue, regaress of that, if the president of the united states is potentially in legal jeopardy for having tried to shut down an active fbi criminal investigation, we believe the republican-controlled house so far is basically going to let that go. just not interested. at least not so far. the republican-controlled senate, however, may be showing signs of life, at least if the democrats and the republicans on the judiciary committee there if

dianne feinstein continue to work together. we know the special counsel is on that as well. he still the power to investigate and prosecute. and on that, there's three things to take away on that tonight which we have just learned. on the matter of what appears to be now an ongoing investigation by the special counsel into the president of the united states and whether he obstructed justice. first, if the white house ultimately doesn't like what robert muller conclusion abodes the president, they're smearing robert muller, they will have a hard time smearing bob muller the same way, not just because of his reputation as a public certify haven't haven't, they will have a hard time smearing him because npr reports tonight that the trump white house actually went through the

motions of maybe hiring bob muller themselves. they considered hiring bob muller when they were looking tar replacement fbi dector after the president fired james comey. so in the end, they may end up trying to smear bob muller somewhere down the road, but it's a matter of record they liked him well enough to interview him and consider him themselves for running the fbi. second new thing to know about bob muller and the possibility he's now investigating the president for potential obstruction of justice, we can report it concerns grand juries. so far we've known of at least one grand jury that is already involved in this case and issuing subpoenas. the first one we know about is in virginia. so that investigation into flynn operated through the u.s.

attorney's office in the eastern district of virginia they've convened a grand jury, issued subpoenas and following a trail there. that investigation has already reportedly been folded into what robert muller's doing at the fbi. in addition to that flynn investigation though, nbc news has reported there's a separate federal investigation underway into trump campaign chair, paul manafort. and i can tell you it's believed, but not confirmed, that that investigation, the manafort investigation, involves a second grand jury separate and apart from the one convened in the mike flynn matter. so that manafort investigation has also now reportedly been folded into what robert muller is doing as special counsel. so if you think about that for a second, if you think about what he's doing in washington and these other ongoing investigations involving u.s. attorneys offices and grand

juries, subpoenas already issued and vefrgsz underway, those being put under his managerial purview, if the special counsel ends up wanting to issue subpoenas or bring criminal charges, it is possible that he could do that work, he could continue to work with either of both of those grand juries that are already convened and working on some aspect of his issue. there's also a possibility he could i am panel a whole new grand jury. and that's not the kind of thing that's done in public. but as the flynn and manafort cases show, as the history of lots of other high profile cases show, the impanelling of a new grand jury, that is sort of thing that's impossible to keep secret forever. and that brings us to the last thing to know about this tonight. it's this guy. in "the washington post" tonight, he's described by a

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here's a recent scoop from the british newspaper that's called "the guardian." you see the headline here, nigel fragile is person of interest in fbi investigation into trump and russia. nigel farage is a far right, very anti-immigrant policiticia in the u.k. in this country he's best known for his unexpected appearances with donald trump. farage popping up atmosphere a trump rally in mississippi of all places. they're like, who's this foreign guy? showing up regularly at trump tower. he was one of the first politicians to be there to congratulate him after the election. there he is again with the same look on his face sharing an intimate delighted dinner with

donald trump just after the inauguration. and then there was the time nigel farage was spotted at the embassy of ecuad in london. that's whe he was seen leaving the embassy. that was march 9th, the same day julian ashank sang a buzzfeed news reporter caught up with farage as he was leaving the kbas that day and asked him what he was doing there that day. and nigel farage responded that he couldn't remember. i love this quote so much, i want to kiss it. i love this. i can actually do it from memory. approached by buzzfeed news as he left to get into a car waiting around the corner, farage said he couldn't not remember what he had been doing

in the building. was i just in a building? really? that may be the sort of thing that got investigators working on the trump russia probe interested in nigel farage according to "the guardian," a person of interest. "the guardian" reported last week they are looking at him, quote, because of his relationships with individuals connected to both the trump campaign and julian assange. if you put russia, wikileaks, the one in the middle is farage. there's a lot of attention being paid to him. for his part, faragealls this, quote, hysterical nonsense. i describe farage as as a far right anti-immigrant politician,

but he's not technically a politician anymore. he resigned from the party he led, u kip. that's the one responsible for brexit. it was a little strange when farage resigned has the head of u kip twloens weeks after the brexit vote that he pushed for his entire political life. he responded to that great success by quitting. and that was unusual. i should tell you though that in last night's bizarre and interesting national election in the united kingdom, u kip lost every single one of its seats. his party in parliament is zero. this follows the vote for brektd brexit, which is what their reason for being with us.

more substantively, brexit itself is now in question, as is a lot else in british and european politics because of what ended up being a political fiasco for the conservative party. theresa may is holding on as prime minister now, but by a thumbnail the whole point of this election was to get clarity and to give her a mandate for britain moving forward and brexit leaving the european union. instead, her governmen is weaker and me divided than it was before by a large margin. she said if her party lost six seats she wouldn't be prime minister anymore. her party lost 12 seats and she's style trying to hold on. it's chaos. we know a little something about that. it's the second chaotic unexpected turn the world on its ear national vote in a short amount of time.

is this the new normal for big country, big power politics now? should we expect more wild, unexpected swings in big, powerful countries? is this the new world? joining us now for the interview somebody i'm lucky to be able to turn to to help understand big political moments, dan rather, now president of news and guts media. dan, it is wonderful to see you. >> thank you for having me. >> i want to talk you to about a few different things tonight, but let me ask you about the election results in the u.k. it was a surprise result. but should we see this as a big global signal, something important about the kind of world we're in now? >> yes. i certainly think we can read much into it. what you have is a pattern of angry voters doing surprising things at the polls. we had it with donald trump in this country, you had it in

france with their election. germany had aed a strong challenge to their leader. what's happening in great britain -- the prime minister was almost thrown out of office. some of the press is calling her a zombie. it's a votel and fluid situation. if you're a leader of the democratic party in this country, you would be thinking about what happened in great britain because what the country voted to do, they elected more leftist politicians, left center politicians. if you were looking to the 2018 congressional elections in this country, can we tap into some anger about donald trump now? it might be a bridge too far, but i think not, and i think politicians in this country will

be studying it for that reason. the democratic party has a real problem if they go far with this analysis. if they take from great britain, an anger public was willing to go left of center, more bernie sanders, if you will. we democrats in 2020, should we go with warren or toward the middle? the second thing is this is not good news for the united states of america and here's why. it weakness the western alliance. a fluid volatile sittion. we'llave germany and france trying to get together to hold center in great britain. france on the rise, germany, the most important country in europe now. britain at least for the moment on the fade. none of this is good news for the united states.

it's good news for the russians. >> dan rather, will you stay here for a moment? there's a follow-up question i want to ask in terms of the volatility and the hazy future for your own president. will you stay? >> absolutely. you bet. >> dan rather stays with us. be right back. wbe right back. eb. . . . . i no longer live with the uncertainties of hep c. wondering, what if? i let go of all those feelings. because i am cured with harvoni. harvoni is a revolutionary

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instability in britain after their big election, the possibility that prime minister theresa may may not be prime minister for long. they may have to hold another election very soon. they had this referendum on brexit that was going to get them out of the european union. our closest ally has all this uncertainties. and is it's going to be a volatile position for a long time. are we also in a volatile and weak position as a country because of the scandal that hangs over this president? is it a b enough scandal there's uncertainty about the future of this presidency and is our political volatile as a country? >> first of all, i certainly think it's seriously enough to be concerned about this particular presidency. i think it's too far a stretch to say right now that the very vital of the country. after all, the extrusions performing pretty well in the

country, the courts are performing pretty well, parts of congress seem to come alive. so our system of checks and balances, including the press is part of that, have finally taken traction, several months ago, i among others were concerned. in terms of president trump, i use the phrase in regards to british election, it's a volatile and fluid situation to say the least. we have a real showdown credibility gap between president and who was in effect the top policeman in the country. president trump did something today. he went into white house survivor mode. to have a president in survivor mode is extremely hurtful because of how people oversee, particularly the leaders of

foreign countries reed that. your question was are we in a situation in real peril, i would say the presidency is in peril. and because it's in peril, we are in some danger ourselves because there's a lot that needs to be done in thcountry. there's so much talk about trump and comey and who's telling the truth and who isn't telling the truth. i think it's really important for americans to understand the big question and how this all started and how the direction we should go is what did the russians do? because here you have a situation. the russians pulled off what i call a psychological pearl harbor a surprise attack that was devastating to the confidence of our whole system of elections and our whole system of government. it's one of the great psychological war fare victories. >> you can see them doing similar things to smaller

countries in their orbit. so we could see it. it was a shock and surprise to us because we thought we're protected by our oceans, but we think of ourselves as the great power in the world, the sole surviving super power in the world, not susceptible to the tactics that russia is using. >> we were too confident. if the russians ever tried that here, it would never work in america, well, it worked to devastating effect. and i call it a psychological pearl harbor. but i want to keep the focus on getting the truth of what happens to the russians. this is w thi business with the fbi director, the investigations into president trump turned out. president trump todays, he was desperate to change if narrative. comey yesterday for one of the

few days in the trump presidency, another person controlled the narrative, and he was masterful in weaving his own narrative as he would in presentation to a jury. and president trump in effect said to himself, i have to get out there tomorrow no matter what it takes, and i've got to reseize the narrative, which he did today. most people are not talking about comey. they're focusing on what president trump did and didn't do. >> the new bombs. >> he didn't say when he was going to testify under oath, but it's a headline. this business of being so coy about the tapes. listen, this is not normal. let's see it for what it is. if he has tapes, we need to have the tapes played. this business of saying, well, i'm going to doll out a little news today and i'll doll out -- >> in a small period of time a short period of time you'll find

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james comey with their own big deal potentially problematic reaction. the president's personal lawyer yesterday came out before reporters and told them that james comey's sworn testimony was not truthful. he said james comey leaked information he shouldn't not have, although there were no allegations there was any classified information involved here, and the only thing james comey said heeaked was his own recollections, his own written recollections of a conversation. the president himself today called james comey a leaker, and said the account he swore to under oath was not true. now the president's personal attorney has followed up by saying he plans on filing complaints against james comey with the senate judiciary committee and the justice department. now, i didn't go to law school. and i'm not a lawyer, and i

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combined with the most wifi hotspots. it's a new kind of network. xfinity mobile. when the president decided to line up some legal representation for himself on the russia issue, he was not able to persuade any big name d.c. lawyers or big name d.c. law firms to represent him. he did bring on a lawyer who had previously represented him in some business disputes. in fact, the lawyer he brought on is the lawyer who is known for threatening to sue people who cross donald trump in various ways. those threats from this particular lawyer in theast have included him threatening to sue "the new york times" for reporting sexual harassment, sexual abuse allegations against then presidential candidate donald trump. president trump, then candidate trump, also threatened to sue the women making the allegations

themselves. although those threats were made, the suits were never filed. now, now that he is representing the president in this trump russia matter and other things that may arise from it, now the president says he will not file a lawsuit, but he will file a complaint against the former director of the fbi james comey with the senate judiciary committee. for something related to director comey's testimony to the senate yesterday. the president's lawyer came out and said he was going to file that complaint with the senate judiciary committee. nbc news can report tonight that as of tonight, he may have made that threat, but they haven't actually filed the complaint. if they do, is it possible that that could be the president's lawyer, the president's legal team, his defense strategy stepping in it and making things worse for themselves? joining us now is barbara mcquade. former u.s. attorney for the eastern district of michigan. thanks for being here.

>> thanks, rachel. >> it's a narrow question but an interesting one. james comey has made these very serious allegations that the president tried to impede an ongoing fbi criminal investigation. the president is refuting that testimony and now his lawyer is threatening to file various complaints against james comey. aside from the venue of the complaints which i think is itself an interesting question, is there a possibility that this could be seen somewhere down the road as the president and his legal team essentially harassing or trying to intimidate somebody who is likely to be a witness against the president in some future legal proceeding? >> well, it does seem like a bullying tactic. it seems like a very hollow threat to me. i don't know that the senate judiciary committee or the justice department has any recourse against james comey in this situation. and i suppose you could suggest this some effort at witness intimidation, which is one of the classic ways that the obstruction of justice statute is charged. now it's been done so publicly

and so columns clumsily that i would be kbharjdcharge bade law that way. demonstrating further bullying tactics. >> listening to james comey's testimony yesterday, a lot of us nonlawyers and citizens and journalists look agent this sort of thing see what james comey testified to yesterday. and it sounds us to like he is alleging obstruction of justice on the part of the president, the president trying to impede or stop that investigation. as a former u.s. attorney, that what you heard in terms of james comey's allegations yesterday? >> well, there are certainly some pieces that could lead to that conclusion. he mentioned at least twice that whether this was obstruction of justice is a matter for bob mueller to look at it which sittings he thinks that bob mueller is looking at that. it also seems to me that james comey is helping him do his work. he is putting out the breadcrumbs he created for

mueller in his written statement a chronology of all the things that happened. one of the first things a prosecutor does when investigating a case is put together a timeline so that you can see the sequence of events. you can sequin siding events. you can see that on the very same day that sally yates was over at the white house in the morning is the same day that trump invites comey over for din they're night and asks him to pledge his loyalty. so it seems that jim comey at least has that in his mind. >> barbara mcquade, former u.s. attorney, thank you very much for your time tonight. i appreciate you being here. >> thanks, rachel. >> all right. we'll be right back. stay with us. there's nothing more important to me than my vacation. so when i need to book a hotel room, i want someone that makes it easy to find what i want. booking.com gets it. they offer free cancellation if my plans change. visit booking.com. booking.yeah.

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so that's about wrapping it up for us tonight. and it wraps up this week which i think will forever be known in the history of this scandal as comey week. i do want to say, though, i want to put something on your radar for the beginning of next week. one of the big bombshells, the big revelations, the big surprises that came out of comey's testimony were some sort of damning and ominous things that james comey said under oath about the current attorney general of the united states, jeff sessions. as of right now jeff sessions is due to testify tuesday morning, once in the house and once in the senate. jeff sessions has a history of backing out of public open testimony right before he has to do it. but right now as of tonight he is still on the calendar for tuesday morning. so plan you're sick days accordingly. i'll see you again on monday morning. now it's time for "the last word with lawrence o'donnell." good evening, lawrence. >> rachel, you're out o