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we have to stay focused. there have been conversations about returning the homes that were largely used for surveillance. senator manchin took it back to the substance. what trump would call satellite associates. they couldn't answer any of the questions. john mccain was getting at something penitentiary. two to three contacts with the russians. did you talk about sishia? no. did you talk about any security issues? no. what were you talking to the russians about? the other thing becoming clear, comey testified that the president in contacts never once
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asked him about russians's role in medaling in our democracy. he said he never has been briefed on russian hacking in the 2016 campaign. >> a veteran of the department of justice and now at georgetown law. you can live your life not hear someone use the expression i don't recall except in hearings. is there any recourse for all the thing that is the attorney general tried to lay on to this rule regarding confidentiality in conversations with the president. >> the recourse is for the senate to do with sessions to do what the house did to eric holder which was to hold him in contempt when they thought holder was citing the privilege that didn't exist. this was an investigation about whether the republican trump campaign conspired with russia and then whether there was a
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cover up. probably he would have left the campaign if he had known about collusion. maybe if there are tapes that they were making, they should be released. now you saoey it, now you don't privilege is not quite executive privilege. we don't know where it comes from. i never heard of it. >> how did you think the witness did? >> jeff sessions did well in a legal performance which is what he was clearly trying to do in walking these lines. given that he had a fairly bad thoond play, he played it well. the argument about jim comby is he's a big boy and a veteran and he can handle it himself. the news he made, he only wanted to stay positive. he said he will stay recused from russia. a lot of people think that's a good thing. he made news for all these
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people including alan derschowitz. the attorney general testified that it is likely that laws were violated in the 2016 meddling. the biggest problems that remained on the table having complimenting his performance is he could not explain the circumstances of jim comey's firing that. is a huge cloud that hangs over this. it is possible he was fired for false reason fist the letters were not true. if they were false, what were you hiding? >> we have richard painter who was the chief ethics reporter. a basic question and that strikes to your heart. where is the urgency and the outrage at what is an ongoing attack from russia. >> it's urgent, this situation. russia has been engaged in this type of on duct for a long time since the 1917 revolution. they sought to destabilize
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democracies and communist parties. now with various other element elements and in france. they broke into the computers of law firms & attorney-client privilege documents were up on the wikileaks. what is amazing to me is that the president continues to deny that this happened. this attack on the united states occurred. they continue to describe this as fake news. furthermore, we have the fact that the fbi director was certainly fired because of the russia investigation. the president has admitted that. with all people in conversations with the russian ambassador. yet that very clear act of obstruction of justice, attorney
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general sessions is not willing to answer questions about his communications with the president about the real motive for firing james comey. even though the president is willing to talk about that with the press and the russian ambassador. her attorney general cannot balk about with the u.s. congress. that looks like a cover up to me. >> as i said, we are intruding on to the hour of chuck todd and "meet the press" daily. chuck has a member of the senate committee taking part in the questioning. chuck? >> thank you, brian. another day almost summer. it is a summer of hearings. if it's tuesday, what we just learned from the attorney general.
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good evening from a very hot and sticky washington. we are not just talking about the politics these days. let's get to the breaking news. with his job on the line, certainly a lot of politics on the line, jeff sessions was just grilled on capitol hill and what at times was an explosive hearing. sessions himself lashed out against allegations raised against him and the president's campaign and dodged committee from committee democrats that led to confrontations like this when senator widen pressed him about comey saying the fbi was aware of information that would be problematic for sessions in the russia probe. >> mr. comey said that there were matters with respect to the recusal that were problematic and he couldn't talk about them. what are they? >> why don't you tell me there are none, senator widen. there are none. i can tell you that for absolute
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certainty. this is a secret innuendo being leaked out there about me and i don't appreciate it and i tried to give my best and truthful answers to any committee i appeared before and it's really people suggesting for innuendo that i have been not honest about matters and i tried to be honest. >> this hearing was dominated by denials and dodges. he denied colluding with russia. >> the suggestion that i participated in any collusion that i was aware of any collusion with the russian government to hurt this country which i have served with honor for 35 years. or to undermine the integrity of our democratic process is an appalling and detestable lie. >> he denied improper contact
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with yaush in general. >> let me state this clearly. i have never met with or had any conversation with any russians or any foreign officials concerning any type of sbrrchs with any campaign or elections in the united states. further i have no knowledge of any conversations by anyone connected to the trump campaign. >> he also denied violating his recusal when he recommended that mr. trump fire comey. >> it is absurd, frankly, to suggest that a recusal from a single specific investigation would render the attorney general unable to manage the leadership of the various department of justice law enforcement com ponens they conduct thousands of investigations. i recused myself from investigation into the campaign for president, but i did not
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recuse myself from defending my honor against false al kbagzs. >> but he would not answer questions about whether or not he discussed the russia probe with president trump when he made the recommendation to fire comey. >> did you ever discuss director comey's fbi handling of the russia investigations with the president or anyone else? >> senator feinstein, that would call for a communication between the attorney general and the president and i'm mot able to comment on that. >> you had no verbal conversation with him about the firing of mr. comey some. >> i'm not able to discuss with you or confirm or deny the nature of a private conversation that i may have had with the president on this subject or others. >> it was answers like that that was the most frustrating part of the hearing.
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sessions dodged every question about his sbrkzs with the president and even though he testified that the president did not exert executive privilege over his testimony. he did not seem to have a legal reason for dodging the questions. he cited policy at the doj, but when pressed to specifically talk about that policy, he didn't have it handy. the other big headline, he testified that he could not recall a meeting with the ambassador and he didn't deny it might have happened. he expressed confidence in bob mueller after a friend said the president was considering firing him. what's the big take away? sessions seemed comfortable and believable to many people. what he did as a senator. he was arguably on shaky ground when he was stuck defending the president's actions when he couldn't explain what was said behind closed doors and especially low when it comes to the interactions 21 the
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president and the former fbi director. let's turn to a senator in the hearing room with jeff sessions. he was also the ranking member of the armed services committee. i appreciate you coming in. number one, let's start with do you believe the attorney general testified as truthfully as he could? >> he tried to avoid any questions that would in any way disclose his conversation with the president. he cited sort of unwritten code, but i was not compel and he had the obligation to be more forthright in his testimony. >> how does that leave things with you and the committee? this is not the first time they invoked their own form of privilege. what is going on here? >> it's an effort individual or
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otherwise to avoid answering basic questions. that is disturbing. we are trying to find out what went on. we need factual responses and we don't need opinions and also don't need -- i would love to tell you, but i can't. it's an unwritten code. we would be better off if the witnesses were more forthright. >> what about his interactions with the russian ambassador? >> there are still questions and the questions will have to be resolved and it just seems to be very curious. he was asked in writing about
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contacts with any russian member of the government. he responded after the deliberation, no. he had to go back and essentially correct the record once again. there is this question about his recollection and what's the meetings. i think we are still without a definitive conclusion. i have some privilege to tar 'tis pate and i'm referring to senator john mccain who picked up questioning after you. it was an intrigue line of questioning about the types of things that senator sessions could have been talking with the ambassador about and perhaps didn't. what did you make of that? >> he was trying to point out the hostile nature and trying to
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e lisity whether he was again aware of those and if he was aware, why wasn't he responding or questioning the russian ambassador? i think the other thing i found was initially the attorney general made the point about how this is a serious threat to the democracy and he is declaring that he is basically a burden himself and has the russian thing off his back. that seems to be opposed to what the attorney general was suggesting in his opening comments. >> speaking of that, senator manchin was getting at this. do you find it troubling that it doesn't appear the attorney general has gotten a briefing as part of the council and has been involved in briefings about the threat of russia to -- and the
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cyber realm in particular. he seemed no the to say he had gotten it. he was fining efrgs out in the news media. he sits on the national security council. >> it's very unusual and the president's response to this. the attorney general claims this is the democracy that we have witnessed and the president calls it a witch hunt and the disgruntled losers of an election. he indicated this whole issue of russia rather than a coordinated response to what many described. the continuing threats to the united states. it reflects the president's denial of what the facts seem to be. >> do you feel like you have a
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satisfactory explanation for why comey was fired? >> no, no. in response to my questions, i pointed out attorney general sessions was complimentary of mr. comby in july of last year when he made his initial conference at the election: the investigation was being reopened. and then suddenly a few months later, he was saying this was objectionable and comey has to be fired. it's inconsistent. >> how do you plan on compelling him to answer questions where he invokes his own form of privilege? >> we will have to look at the legal basis and if there is none, we will have to work through the committee and the committee has been acting in a bipartisan way. move to ask for responses to these questions. >> all right. senator jack reed, i will have to leave it there. executive privilege was a central topic of conversation at
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today's hearing. listen to this exchange between the general and main senator angus king. >> has the president invoked executive privilege in the case of your testimony? >> he has not. >> what are is the basis of your refusal to answer the questions some. >> the president has a constitutional -- >> i understand but the president has not asserted it. you said you don't have the power to assert the executive privilege. what is the legal basis for the refusal to answer the wez? >> i am protecting the right of the president to assert it. there may be other privileges that could apply. at this point it's premature. >> you are asserting that the president privilege -- >> it would be premature to deny a full and intelligent choice about executive privilege. that's not necessary at this point. >> joining me now is republican
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senator mike rounds from south dakota. >> thank you, sir. >> you heard that exchange and i want to start there because the attorney general would not answer and invoked a different privilege that is not necessarily through legal privilege, but it leaves the impression of something to hide whether that was the intent or not. are you concerned as that leaves the wrong impression if that is the impression it's leaving. >> i look at it on a tract cal note. i think the attorney general looks at the president as his boss. he had a private conversation with him and he's not going to turn around and share with the world what his private conversations are with his boss. i don't think it's the first time it happened. that occurred in the past and will occur in the future. it's frustrating because everyone wants to hear what the president had to say in private. the attorney general is on pretty firm grounds in saying
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wait until the president decides yes or no whether or not he is going to invoke executive privilege. >> isn't that something the president had an opportunity -- high hare offered this chance and decided not to by not invoking it, hasn't he made that choice? >> not necessarily. he can invoke it in the future. this is a guy who works for the president of the united states and he said i don't want my private conversations with you guys out there in the open. he said i want conditioned conversations with this president. i'm going to have a lot better chan fist i'm not blabbing to the rest of the world what he tells me in private. >> it's hard to believe that the attorney general and the deputy attorney general have a meeting about firing comby and russia doesn't come up. i understand why he didn't bring that up, because it violates his
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recusal. that's the box he could have fallen into. by invoking this, he doesn't have to talk about it. this is where it doesn't pass the smell test and adds to the suspicion. i question why he did it. >> he got the grounds in which to do it and he's on firm grounds saying he's not going to talk about that conversation. you may be right that it could be a trap. for him not to do it plays correctly and appropriately into the direction he wants to go. i don't want to go there with this thing. i don't want to have this conversation. at the same time we ought to be talking about what's going on with russia and the fact that they are engaged in cyber activity in the united states. that came up i few times and was an important part of that.
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not just here in the united states, but elsewhere. >> it seems that the basis for this hearing was about trying to figure out what was the -- why was the director fired. was it for cause or some other reason? do you feel as if you are convinced you know why the director was fire and if so, what is it? >> he could be fired simply because the president feels he wants someone else in there. do i think the president was happy with the performance of mr. comey? no. do i think he was a bad fbi director? no, i do not. the president can suggest a lot of ideas for why he would make that determination. that's his choice. all the things that come into play and a justification, i can't answer that. >> is it congress's job to find out that motive? >> let me ask you this.
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what then? >> i'm asking you. i don't know. >> let's take a look at the investigation itself. it will continue to go. the attorney general made that clear that the individuals are not stopping and they are moving forward. if the motivation as you are suggesting was to stop, clearly that failed. second of all, the president would have known that if they would have had that discussion. if it was the fact that he didn't want an investigation, that part didn't work. i think he decided he didn't like the way comey was doing that. he's used to hiring and firing at will and he went back and wanted justification for why he could do that. i think he wanted a different director and he could do that. it will not impede that investigation. you can see there is a continued
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investigation within the committee and i think we will get to the bottom of how deep russia was involved in that election process. you satisfied with the sense of urgency in the trump administration and i tried to bring it up. senator manchin was questioning and he said the first he has heard about the threat was through the news media. as attorney general, you remember the national council to me told me it's not coming up as a top tier threat in the trump administration. does that lack of urgency trn you? >> that did concern me. at the level of the subcommittee, we are following it very closely. there has been two reports out and is a cloift report. the other detailed very, very well the russians's involvement
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in the process. they didn't think they would be dealing with president trump, they thought they would be dealing with an injured hillary clinton. they didn't like the way she was involved in discussions about mr. putin's reelection. she department like the way the process was working and he made it clear and not afraid to let everyone know he was involved. he came in and sold the the world what they were doing. that message was sent to say leave my process alone and at the same time he let everybody else know he was doing his best to degrade our confidence in our election process. the consequences have not been paid. >> i'm going to loaf it there. that was powerful stuff and i appreciate you coming on. thank you, sir. >> let me bring in on the panel
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and senior vice president and the veteran of the obama administration. i will start with you. that was a very emphatic answer. i see plenty of republicans tiptoeing doing what they have to do when it comes to defending these actions. this lack of urgency in the trump administration about the russian threat is exposing the administration in different ways. >> lack of urgency comes from the top. president trump thinks it didn't happen and could have been done by someone in his pajamas in his basement or another country. it seems not to move to do much. they are trying to protect the country, but they have this sursly low on his agenda. that's part of the questions that are raised here that adds to suspicion.
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when sessions was defending his actions on the campaign, i thought he was credible. when he was trying to defend the actions of the trump administration, he struggled. >> i don't think any serious person believes jeff sessions med and colluded to hack the election or throw it to trump. >> that's not a serious allegation like senator cotton denied. it's out there in the left wing experience theory. >> here didn't expose this meeting and it's a general tactic to raise more suspicion to say what's going on? >> it was degreeing a contageous issue. >> with sessions it doesn't hold much water. when you get into this, what happened with jeff sessions and rod rosenstein in their meeting
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the day before the president made the decision to fire jim comey. did the president talk about russia? that's a tricky issue and we don't know the answer he discussed what the president said and i don't think based on what trump said publicly and many people are under the impression that the president didn't bring up russia. i think it raises real questions for rod rosen stein as well. >> if session was trying to figure out how he was going to find out the conversation, there was no good answer other than i can't talk about it. i think the man values the outing. this is not something who will sit there and lie. they came up with this. i get it politically. >> right, but it doesn't pass the smell test.
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the president hasn't had a couple of days to think about whether or not to invoke that privilege. the time to do is before he testifies before congress. i agree with the quote about sessions and i don't think anyone feels he helped hack the ekrpaleks, but did he talk about other things that happened with the obama administration. >> cane was getting at distinguishing between his meetings as a senator and campaign surrogate. it got blurry. >> with your point, this is bad for president trump for this season. sessions is unwilling to discuss with trump. we have james comey and bob muller will see saying that trump suggested he get off and he wanted a loyalty oath from comey. woe have the president's
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attorney saying neither for or in substance does not say those things. why did he go out of his way to deny those things. he expressed the normal talking points. he was emphatic on this. why? he sees a real legal problem. that is close to obstruction if he asked combo one on one meetings that the president set up and he thought comey would want to have dinner with him. he asked him to go easy on flynn and for the loyalty oath. sessions is not helping the president and by his silence, you assume he did raise russia. >> there was another hearing with rod rosen stein who was taking his place and asked about -- i don't know what to call it.
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the trial balloon or people that talked to donald trump on the phone and maybe he can fire muller. he created a scenario and i don't think this will be the first time we hear rumors about this. i think he created a saturday night massacre type of dean and he does it the way rod rosenstein testified today. >> i'm sure he does want to fire mueller and with that come, you heard a collective sigh of relife and it's hard to believe unless trump had a political suicide death wish, which he may -- >> i don't agree with that. i think he is scared of this investigation. that's why he fired comey.
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he's scared of mueller. >> the special council that ends up being robert mueller and a high regard for james comey. trump got himself in a terrible situation. i don't think chris was going out there and being hey, what a crazy idea. i bet that chatted about it. i think he won't do it because it would cause such a backlash and rosenstein won't do it. i think trump wants to do it. >> i would be agreeing, but i didn't think he would fire comey. i didn't think of it on the day of perhaps even with getting a hint it could happen. he knows how to do self infli inflicted wounds. what does he think and what we saw in the sessions hearing. (woman) when you have type 2 diabetes,
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welcome back to "mtp daily" president trump continues to look like he is afraid of the russia investigation even though they maintain it's phoney and a hoax. if he is innocent, why does it look like he is afraid of the investigation running their course. a member of the trump transition and former hedge fund manager and former donor. >> i appreciate the opportunity. >> what do you say to viewers who are watching and they don't understand why it looks as if the trump administration is trying to slow down investigations y. isn't there an embracing of we have to get to the bottom of what russia did to this country? >> i clearly thought that the attorney general was trying to be open and forceful in explaining there is no there
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there. what's going on in the administration is a level of frustration that they are trying to execute the agenda on health care and tax reform and deregulation and all of these things affecting the stock market, but they are getting ensnared in scandals incorporated. it doesn't matter. if secretary clinton won, there would be a scandal with her and her aides and they would be doing this nonsense to her. for me and my friends that are inside the administration, we hope it will dial town. there is no there there. >> you say there is no there there. why do you say that? we had 17 intelligence agencies say the russian diagnosis this and more importantly there is concerns americans helped them. we don't know yet. what have you guys done to investigate this? >> let me parch it out for you.
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i am speaking about any level of activity between our dam pain and the russian hackersor anything you would describe there in. as it relates to the other aspects of the case, the president has been clear as to whether it was the rugs or any group. >> let me pause you right there. when you stop and you are introducing skepticism, it's not an opinion. it was a finding. there is a difference. >> not trying to do that. any talking points. i'm trying to make the president's tas on behalf of the administration. he would say if the russians and it is definitive and you are saying it is, but i think the
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president has a different information than both of us. you are saying that they said that, but the people doing the leaking are not in the know of what's going on. it's the people that have the information that are likely not leaking. all the president is trying to say is let's let the information be digested and let's really define it definitively what happened and he would take action. gary cohen said that the sanctions are being held in place and the president said he was being tough on russia or any other country. i'm not trying to stib it. there is growing frustration by our president and he is frustrated that he can't get his agenda up to the hill, but he can get scandals incorporated in a nonstop manner.
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frankly the american people on both sides, democrats and republicans are frustrated with this and we would probably suggest to people let's subordinate this nonsense and focus on an agenda that is pro growth and good for the middle class families. >> you think the president should stop tweeting about the investigation? >> he is not going to listen to me on that and i don't think he will listen to you on that. >> i hear your frustration. >> i think the tweets are effective. >> every time he does it he brings it up. >> he spelled coverage wrong and it came out covfefe. the president is very entertaining. >> isn't that his issue. he is not compartmentalizing this. i look at it and it's the president that insists it's a hoax and threatened comey with tapes. in every step, actions took place now.
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based on actions the president took on his twitter feed. >> what the american people love about him and i love about him is he's a fighter. when stuff is being thrown at him and allegations are being made at him like this, we can both litigate this and we will have to agree on this, the mainstream media and one of the independent agency said 88% of the coverage has been negative for the president. that is frustrating for him. he is using twitter to hop over the mainstream media to the american people. i think the american people like this about the president. when i was at campaign rallies, the reason why they came out in droves and places like michigan were because of that fight. he is going to be 71 years old tomorrow. you and i are not going to change him. he has done more with his social media than my 18 yore old son or
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21-year-old daughter. i'm impressed with that. some of the people don't like that, but it has been very effective for him over the two years that he has been a politician. he is celebrating that a few days from today. >> thanks for coming on and you area i good defender. we'll be right back. it's over. i've found a permanent escape from monotony. together, we are perfectly balanced. our senses awake. our hearts racing as one. i know this is sudden, but they say...if you love something set it free. see you around, giulia
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. time for the lid. bill crystal, johnson, danielle gibbs, allful you got fiery when you heard nagt santhony -- espe you, bill. this is the russia investigation fault. where are the bills? >> i like anthony. he's a good defender of the president. it's just not true. i'm sorry the president is frustrated. how many pieces of legislation have not been passed because we're sitting around talking about the russia investigation? zero. how many major pieces of legislation have been submitted by the trump legislation? they endorsed the health care bill which passed, the obama care replacement has -- >> has nothing to do with -- how many nominations haven't been acted on because of russia? zero. it is a fake talking point. it's frustrating the president. >> also it's talking points for
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the base. that's to give the base a fig leaf to grab onto. >> i think the helps the administration. they need the base. it would be tremendously helpful to this administration to have a tax plan in congress and what they have so far is a one-page set of bullet points that were produced hastily in 24 or 48 hours at the demand of the president. they have no tax bill. in fact, steve has backed off his statement we would have one by august. right now we don't know when we're going to have a tax bill at all. >> danielle, let me ask something that happened in progressive land. seems as if nancy ploelosi was trying to deal with this. you get democrats that say it's time to run on impeachment. what did she say? he'll self-impeach. she was trying to tap the brakes. >> i think the majority of democrats are willing to let,
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like nancy said, self-impeach. you don't want to get get ahead of the process. we want to make sure robert muller has all the toopz ls to to the bottom of the investigation. if the facts lead to impeachment that's where we should go. >> you're a progressive. what happens to the democratic primary today? what i'm saying is do you think that a perry ella victory means be tougher on trump? is that where you're going? >> sort of. >> more of the establishment type? >> he's endorsed by senator kaine and governor mcall if. >> it's a big win for the west. >> polls are still open. go vote. >> he worked the cap. >> yes. >> we're not talking -- on the republican side it is interesting, gillespie should be the running mate.
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