>> one person is dead and at least ten others injured after a van plowed into a group of pedestrians. according to police a 48-year-old man was taken into custody at the scene. there are no other suspects and the investigation is ongoing. landen's mayor is calling it a horrific terrorist attack. it happened shortly after midnight local time. a short while ago nbc's lucy

cavanaugh spoke with an eyewitness who described the scene. we had the last couple of months. there were terrorist attacks in different places. and i think this basically is a terrorism, a recognition of terrorism i see him waving his hand, shaking his hand like he's a very proud

he came exactly the time that most people were attending the mosque. but luckily some people were finished because it was a little bit behind. but people pray outside, and he expected to get the most casualty. people left very quickly, and that's why he get some of the people standing. most is high, but you have to get stairs to come down. >> that was nbc's lucy kafanov discussing what had happened with an eyewitness to this account. again, it happened a little after 12:00 midnight when the first call went in. there were reports that a white van had plowed into pedestrians in in finsbury park area. we're seeing aerials of the area. the sun has come up in london. the police had cordoned off the scene, and now we're getting visuals of the scene where you can see sort of a tented area and also a visual on the van. the van is sort of through an alleyway, and that is the van where it is believed the suspect

jumped out of the van. and the 48-year-old man was taken into custody. there were reports that the community stepped in as he was running out of the van, and they captured the man and held him down until police came. with that, i'd like to go to nbc's lucy kafanov who is on the ground for us in london. lucy, i know it's been a very long night. you've seen this change. the scene has changed dramatically in the past few hours. can you tell us what's going on there now? >> reporter: dara, good morning. we still see the authorities, the police holding this police line behind me. there's been a lot of journalists that have entered the area, locals as well. just to follow up on an earlier point you made, just a few minutes ago i had the opportunity to speak with a gentleman who tackled this attacker, this 48-year-old man who is in custody. he said he was standing on the opposite street of the mosque. he saw this van barreling down towards them, and it turned towards the mosque and ran over

those pedestrians. he described them seeing this man, this 48-year-old, jump out of the van, run towards the pedestrian, and that is when this gentleman i interviewed ran towards him. he pinned him down along with several other locals, and they held him down for about ten minutes while they waited for the authorities to arrive on to the location. in fact, he said he was acting on instinct. he didn't want this man to commit any more violence, to hurt any more innocent people. but he also protected him from the mob because the locals around in the area when they saw this happening at the end of ramadan, a very holy time just after midnight, people were starting to get angry. and he protected this perpetrator despite that attack that had taken place while they waited for the authorities to get on location. one of the things that he said he was quite taken aback by was the amount of time that it took for the authorities to arrive. he said about 10 to 15 minutes. he also said he felt the response was not as strong as we had seen in other terrorist

incidents. this of course still being investigated as a potential terrorist attack according to theresa may. but we might be getting more information later this hour when the met police hold a press conference to update us on more details. and just to recap again, this attack taking place just after midnight, about 12:20 a.m. local time. ten people injured, eight of them in hospital, two of them treated on the scene. one innocent person killed, and that attacker now, dara, in police custody. >> and, lucy, have we had any word on any of those that have been injured? i know they were taken to three different hospitals in the areas. have we had any word back on how they're doing? >> reporter: no details on that. we know that a lot of ambulances were on the scene. they had trauma units on the scene. we know that two of the people, two of the ten were treated for very light, minor injuries. they were not taken to hospital. but those eight that are recovering right now, we simply don't have any information about their condition. again, this is something we could expect perhaps to hear from the authorities later this

hour when they update us on the latest in their investigation and of course on the latest in the condition of the victims, d sarks . >> are they letting any residents back into the area that police had cordoned off yet? >> reporter: no. as we've been standing here actually, almost every few minutes somebody tries to come by either to get to work. this is a very busy area. there are businesses here, people's homes. the police saying you guys might not be able to get in here for quite some time. this is an active crime scene, an active investigation taking place. i don't know if you can see behind me, but three large police vans blocking off the street. there are many more police officers down there, counterterrorism units down there as well. there's going to be forensic investigators collecting pieces of evidence, combing through the crime scene, trying to figure out exactly what it is that took place here just hours ago as they investigate this potential terrorist attack. dara? >> lucy, real quick, can you tell me about the mood in the

finsbury park area? >> reporter: there was a lot of anger actually when i arrived because the residents who witnessed this attack or arrived here in the immediate aftermath did feel that this was a terrorist incident. they saw this truck, this van barrel into the pedestrians. they felt the police response wasn't quick enough, and they were actually getting quite frustrated with the media. we were simply reporting what the authorities were telling us. the authorities have not labeled it a terrorist incident yet, but the perception on the ground here is that if the tables were turned, if this was a muslim attacker, it would have been labeled a terrorist incident much more quickly. that is what we've been hearing from some of the locals here, dara. >> lucy, thank you so much. as lucy reported, we have one person reportedly dead, ten others injured, and a 48-year-old man under arrest after he plowed into a group of pedestrians. we'll be back with more details.

few jails in america receive

as much media coverage as the maricopa county jail in phoenix, arizona. while many stories focus on things like the striped uniforms and pink underwear that both male and female inmates are required toer wear, we tried t learn more about the inmates themselves. it didn't take long before we noticed rita, who was face is 11 felony charges along with various misdemeanors. >> you better go all out, right? i got an f-2 fraudulent schemes, eight f-4s. i got a dui, false information to a law paraphernalia, drugs, >> she proclaimed her innocence on all the charges. and none of them had it to do with the loss of her eye which occurred shortly before her arrest. >> for such a tragic shocking thing as losing an eye, rita had a fairly decent attitude about

it. she was pretty upbeat and positive and she took it out and showed us. >> this is the part that they cut out. it's just made out of what fake nails are made out of and this is my eye. and it moves exactly with the other one or just about. the cool thing is, though, the doctor that's doing this for me is going to make me an extra one with a black widow in it. so i can [ bleep ] people. >> only then did we get to the story of how exactly she lost her eye. it all started when she suspected her male roommate of stealing from her. >> found all these pawn slips to all my gold jewelry. not only that, but he didn't pay me the rent or put money on the electricity bills. so i kicked him out. >> on "lockup" we often shoot a lot of prisons, but one of the things that's interesting about jail as opposed to prison is it

all comes from a very localized area. so you have all these relationships from the outside that then carry over to inside the jail system. in some cases you even have people who have lived together, as in the case of rita and anthony volpe. you don't seem to be too sad about the fact that she got shot and lost an eye. >> i'm not. >> we met anthony volpe, her former roommate, about four miles away in one of maricopa's male facilities.

>> i get a voicemail from rita on my phone telling me you owe me $600. i changed the locks on the doors. you're not getting any of your [ bleep ] unless you pay me and if you don't pay me, i'm going to sell it. >> though he pled not guilty, he was at maricopa facing first degree assault and burglary. all related to the incident that lost rita her eye. she does admit going to the house with two friends to get his furniture. >> we walked over to the apartment door, knocked on it and this mutual friend of mine and rita's, henry, opened up the door, sees us, slams the door shut and starts locking it. the person that i was with got mad. he kicked the door and opened it. next thing i know, she starts shooting. she said, tony, what the

[ bleep ], and bam, bam, started shooting. >> i heard wood cracking. i knew somebody was trying to break in my front door. and stuff so by the third big bang i dropped my cell phone, i took out my gun, it was already cocked and everything. i looked around the side of my bedroom door, and the third big bang, there's three guys standing there. my ex-roommate and two other gentlemen i've never seen before. i told them to get the [ bleep ] out of my house. and everything. i had my gun at them. the guy in the middle had a .12 gauge shot gun. he was kneeled on the ground. he knew what he was doing. he kept telling us to put our weapons down. i said no, get out of my house. i made sure to point it to the right of them so they knew i wasn't shooting at them. shot off the gun, pointed back at them and said get the [ bleep ] out of my house. and i didn't think they were really going to do it, but the guy shot off a .12 gauge. >> she says she was struck in the chest and face but didn't immediately realize her eye was damaged. >> i went into the bathroom, i looked at my face.

it looked fine. my eye looked fine. i came out of the bathroom and looked down and all of a sudden there's blood coming out of my eye. and i knew i got shot. >> god forgive me she lost her eye, but she chose to shoot, and she chose to -- i mean, nobody threatened her. we didn't step in the apartment before she shot. the door opened up and she shot. >> explain to me why if you're going to move furniture a guy is bringing a sawed off shotgun? >> everybody knows that rita carries a gun and everybody knows that rita will shoot. >> i'm a female half their size and they had to go to my house and bust down a front door and come with weapons and a posse to a female's apartment? that makes me look like i'm the baddest bitch alive. right? like, come on. >> i'm pretty sure i'm going to win at trial. i really do have a good feeling about it, because the only thing i'm guilty of is i was there. i admit that. i was there but i was there for a legit reason. she knew i was coming over. i was there to get my property and she shot first. >> do you ever think you should have just shot those guys? >> yeah. everybody gives me [ bleep ] for it. everybody. i think back now and i should have. but i'm fine with it. you know? life goes on. karma's a bitch. it will come back around to them, whether they're in prison or not, it will come back around. >> it was only after the shooting that she ran into her

own problems with the law and was arrested on more than a dozen charges. but during our time at maricopa, her life took a turn for the better. >> i think at one point she was facing something like 11 felonies. ultimately she was acquitted of several. she pled out on a couple and received probation. and during our time at maricopa she was actually released. so we wanted to see how she was doing when she got out, and we ended up actually catching up with her outside of the jail facility. >> but i got my eye done since then. and it's a colored one. but i don't like it because it doesn't move exactly with this one. that's why i got glasses and stuff, so i can make sure i look straight at people. i can get it permanently put in, but that's just really costly, so it looks a lot better than the white eye everybody saw on me. >> though she only spent four months at maricopa, it became

clear that it had an affect on her. >> but overall life is better? >> overall, yeah. it's better being out of stripes. better being free. at the same time i kind of -- i didn't mind being in jail because i didn't have anything to worry about. i didn't have any bills to worry about, people, which was a good thing. when i first got out it was actually really hard. i broke down to the point where i was crying because i didn't know what the hell i was going to do. when i called my aunt, she helped me get on my feet again. hopefully this time next year i'll have my car back and job. i'm a lot happier. >> there will probably be few happy times for her former house mate. anthony volpe received a 15-year prison sentence for first-degree burglary. coming up -- >> lock me up if you want. if you lock me up, i'll burn my peter.

>> burn your peter? >> one of the most unforgettable inmates we met during our european tour. and later -- >> he urinated all over himself which obviously is a sign that it's over. his tongue swelled up. his ankles swelled up. it was very intimate. >> a brutal jailhouse murder serves as the initiation to gang life. y day. but at night, it's the last thing on my mind. for 10 years my tempur-pedic has adapted to my weight and shape, relieving pressure points from head to toe. so i sleep deeply but feel light. and wake up ready to perform. even with the weight of history on my shoulders. find your exclusive retailr at tempur-pedic.com

doomed decisions are not limited to american inmates as we discovered during our trip to

this investigation is ongoing and we're working fast to know the full details of how and why it took place. at this early stage of the investigation, no other suspects have been identified or reported

to police, and there were no reports of any people having suffered any knife injuries. the van used has been examined by specialist officers, but nothing that would cause a risk to the public was found within it. extra policing resources have been deployed across london in order to reassure communities, especially those observing ramadan at this very sensitive time. i would urge everyone to remain calm and remain vigilant. i ask the public with any information about this incident or anything that causes them concern or suspicion to call the police on 0-800-789-321. obviously this is a very early stage of the investigation. however, as and when i can make more information available, i will. this has been an incredibly challenging time for london and the emergency services are

stretched. nevertheless, we will all do absolutely everything we can with our partners to protect londoners in our city. now is the time once again for london to stand together to face those who seek to divide us. thank you. i can take a couple of questions. >> was this immediately considered a terrorist attack? >> given the methodology and given what was occurring, what's happened, the tragic incidents across the country, this had all the hallmarks of a terrorist incident. that's why the counterterrorism command were called out to investigate. >> can you give us details of how the suspect was detained by members of the public in. >> i think there's been an awful lot of images put out by the media when he was detained. it seem he was very quickly and calmly given over to the police and put into custody. as i said, i think that was commendable by members of the community who must have been incredibly shaken and incredibly

angry. i'd like to thank them. what it proves to me is londoners will act to protect themselves but will do so that doesn't feed into terrorist and extremist hands. >> can you give us details how serious the injuries are? >> no. it's too early to say. the hospitals will be updating on the conditions of the casualties. at least two are serious. our thoughts go out to families and friends who must be very shaken at this time. >> are police able to talk to the perpetrator? have they been able to interrogate him? if so, what are you hearing? >> no, that will not have happened yet. that will obviously be a priority in the investigation. as soon as he's in our custody, he will be being interviewed as part of the investigation. >> we heard a couple of eyewitnesses say they saw people in the van running away after the attack.

[ inaudible ]. >> let me be very clear at this time. that was obviously a very key line of inquiry for us right at the start of this investigation. from what we are seeing and from what witnesses are reporting to us, there was nobody else in the van. and it appears at this time that this attacker attacked alone. that is not to say that we are not investigating the full circumstances of how he came to be where he was. but at this point in time, there was nobody else in the van. thank you very much, ladies and gentlemen. thank you. >> we've been listening to the senior national coordinator for britain's counterterrorist department. he was speaking about the incident last night, which is being called a terrorist attack, where a 48-year-old suspect was arrested and taken into custody after he took his van and rammed through pedestrians who were outside of a mosque in the finsbury park area of london.

as he mentioned, one person was killed. ten people are still injured from that attack. and the suspect is in custody. with that, i'd like to go to nbc's lucy kafanov, who is on the ground in london, in finsbury park. lucy, what can you tell us? >> reporter: well, dara, as you heard neil basu telling us there, this is still the early stages of this investigation. police are asking the public for help with any information they might have in tracking down more details about what took place just a few hours ago. they believe that this 48-year-old man was acting alone, that there were no other suspects that they're looking for at the moment. no knife attacks as was previously erroneously reported by some media outlets. we also heard from basu thanking the public for their role from preventing this attack from having a higher death toll. i had the chance to speak to one of the men who tackled this attacker after he drove into that crowd, possibly saving many

more lives. take a listen to what he told me earlier, dara. >> i was the first people who came out from the mosque. we just finished. i was praying outside the mosque, so i was the first people who came outside the mosque. and me and another two friends, we crossed the road. and as usual, we crossed the road and we had friends to come chat for a bit before we go have our last meal at home. we was just watching the bus. one of my friends, he was leaving, so he was watching his bus, the direction bus. so we see the van speeding up. we thought he's late from work or he just want to catch the traffic light. but suddenly he turned to the mosque side. he didn't turn to us. he should turn to us if he was drunk or something, but he turned to the mosque side, which is one-way route. and he hit the people. then three people on the floor. then he moved on, another five,

six on the floor. then the car stopped suddenly. we went after him, me and another two friends. we get him out of the car. before we get him out, he start fighting with us and spitting on us, and he bite my thumb. >> reporter: he bit your thumb? >> yeah. >> i see there's some holes in your shirt. >> yeah. >> what made you run after him? >> because he was going to do more. he was trying to do more because another woman is on the other side. >> to kill more people? >> yeah. >> were you afraid? >> yeah, i was afraid to be honest. i was react automatically. >> instinct? >> yeah, to save the other people. >> do you think there's any chance that this could have been an accident, or do you think it was a deliberate attack? >> it's a deliberate attack. >> what makes you say that? >> because he didn't go to the -- if it was accident, he should hit us because we were on the other side, on his side. but he turn the car to the other side, the mosque, which is if you can see, the one-way. >> so he comes out.

you pin him down. >> yeah. >> he bites you. he pulls on your shirt, tears your shirt. you're holding him down. what happens next? >> not only me. me and another two friends. another five guys came. they hold him with us. >> reporter: what was fascinating about that interview is he later told me he was not only preventing this attacker from killing more people, but also protecting him from the angry crowd that had gathered there waiting for the authorities to come in and take over in the situation. so as the dust settles in this ongoing incident, we are learning -- i apologize, live television, but as the dust continues to settle in this ongoing incident, there are some heroes who are emerging. as the police officer said earlier, as mr. neil b parasu s earlier, theit's early in the investigation. london is a city that's recovering from the deadly fire, the westminster attack, the manchester attack. this is a country that has been

devastated by terror, and now another incident that is being investigated as a potential terrorist attack. dara? >> lucy kafanov live for us in london, thank you so much for that report, lucy. and as lucy mentioned, we had listened to neil basu who confirmed there's been one fatality, ten jurors, and a 48-year-old suspect that has been apprehended. as we heard from that eyewitness account with lucy, the crowd, the community stepped up, and they were very helpful in apprehending the suspect. and that's also something that the commander of the counterterrorism was commending the community for, saying that they helped the police in detaining the suspect, and very thankful for that. you've been watching developing news and breaking news here on msnbc. we'll have more updates throughout the night and breaking news when it happens. now back to our regular programming. >> now wonder that my life was violent, fast, and wild. >> we met federico when we were filming what we called b roll in the outside exercise cages at

the prison. he made a striking impression on me because when we started talking, he was extremely articulate. and when he talked about his crimes, he was very self-aware and very honest about the consequences of his actions. >> i was brought up into a culture where they teach you to be violent. they teach you to outsmart the enemy. they teach you to regard law enforcement and your society and your government with contempt. once you inculcate yourself with that lifestyle, with that philosophy, then it's not a matter of right and wrong anymore. it becomes a matter of this is my life, the life that i'm living. >> to what end? >> to this end, which is nothing. >> when we met him, munoz was in the level 6 maximum security yard, serving two life sentences for two murders. >> i shot one, and i strangled the other in the county jail. both of them i'm doing life sentences for, as i should.

you can't, in society, in a civil society, go around killing people and not expect to be, you know, punished for it. >> you must have known that while you were strangling the guy in the jail. >> sure i knew that. but as a gang banger, i elected to step out of society's normal bounds, customs, mannerisms, and rules. i chose to live in a world where we created our own rules, our own society. >> there wasn't an ounce of denial in federico's account of his behavior. he was very honest and forthright about what he had done, and he also utilized poetry to express it. >> it takes a person of character to live a life that's just. and as i sit in prison for that life i really lust. i look back over my shoulder amazed at what i see. a life of utter bull [ bleep ]. no wonder i'm not free. >> i was really dying to know what had caused a man who had so

much obvious potential to commit two murders. >> when i began flirting with crime, it started off with like stealing cars. i knew a couple of guys who stole cars. i would go with them. i wouldn't steal it myself, but i would go with them. then i learned how to drive. i liked the thrill. so then i started stealing them, got arrested. i go to jail, meet other guys in there who are doing other things, more severe crime. and that's how i begin to evolve as a criminal. >> for munoz, the next phase of that evolution was to join a street gang and to develop a reputation. >> if i can intimidate you more than you can intimidate me and i can persuade you, however i do it, to do something, i'm imposing my will on you. >> but yet to me you seem like a pretty affable guy. so how did you achieve that? >> by violence. >> violence led to a string of burglaries and assaults that eventually landed munoz in county jail.

there he joined a prison gang and was ordered to make the ultimate commitment. assassinate an inmate who was a fellow gang member. >> i had a braided rope in my pocket, and so i sat down next to him on his bed, and i talked to him. and when he turned his back to me, i stood on the bed, and i put the rope around his neck, and i killed him. >> how long did that take? >> five minutes. >> those five minutes, must have been a very long five minutes. >> very long five minutes. he fought me. he threw me around the room. surprisingly strong. i guess when you're fighting for your life, you have strength, you know? i was curious. i had never seen death before in person, and so i wanted to see. and i watched his eyes change from the white. they became red, and they started popping out of his head. he urinated all over himself which obviously is a sign that

it's over. his tongue swelled up. his ankles swelled up. it was very intimate, like you see it on the movies how guys so cavalierly kill people. it wasn't like that for me. it was a thrilling thing because i had just earned my bones. i had just accomplished an assignment that was given to me, and i prevailed. now, morally, obviously it's a bad thing. you shouldn't be killing people. but in the lifestyle of a gang banger, i had just attained something that it was intangible, but it was real enough. >> at the time, munoz wasn't linked to the inmate's death. the unsolved homicide was eventually consigned to the cold case files. munoz served out the remainder of his sentence, and then he was back on the streets. but he wasn't done killing. >> very early on, the streets i had to run, selling drugs and

stealing cars. this for me was fun. no matter that this life is a foolish life indeed. back then this sort of wisdom, i simply wouldn't heed. >> five years after literally getting away with murder in a county jail, munoz walked into a barber shop where he spotted a rival gang member and he killed again. >> i shot him two times in his chest. he fell down. he got back up to my surprise. i mean it was just -- to me, it was remarkable that you could shoot somebody two times in his chest with a 9 millimeter and he could get back up. so i finish shooting him until the clip was empty, and i jumped in my car, and i left. >> this time, he was arrested three hours after the shooting and was eventually sentenced to life in prison. a few years later, munoz got a

surprise visit. it was from the county's cold case unit. >> he talked to me in this visiting room right here, and he asked me. and i told him. >> almost nine years after he strangled an inmate in county jail, frederico munoz was convicted and received his second life sentence. >> this is it. for anybody who thinks it's cool to gang bang, to live that lifestyle, the logical conclusion of that lifestyle is you're going to be in a casket because you were dumb enough to get shot or strangled or stabbed in prison, or you're going to be in here with me. these, my tribulations, have taught me many things. these, my tribulations, and all the grief they bring. now you know my views, it's time for me to go. these, my tribulations, will only make me grow.

>> coming up -- >> i turn around, and that's when it hits me. i have a knife handle in my hand with no blade, and i'm covered in blood. >> super bowl sunday takes a deadly turn. mind. for 10 years my tempur-pedic has adapted to my weight and shape, relieving pressure points from head to toe. so i sleep deeply but feel light. and wake up ready to perform. even with the weight of history on my shoulders. find your exclusive retailr at tempur-pedic.com

♪ perched on the flat, windswept plains of eastern colorado, the limon correctional facility is home to nearly a thousand inmates, more than half of whom are serving time for violent crimes. among this collection of heavily tattooed, hardcore inmates, wesley stoltz struck us as something of an anomaly. >> welcome to my humble abode. i do a lot of reading. i try to keep up on current events and other things.

here's my television. nice 13-inch with a digital card, so if we ever go to uhf, i'll get all the digital channels, too. because i am dtv ready. >> wesley stoltz was something else. i've never met an inmate who said i'm dtv ready, and i've never met an inmate who had the array of products that this guy had either. i've been to women's prisons and haven't seen so many products. >> this is my luxury right here. the irish spring icy blast body wash with the loofa. >> so you've basically been able to maintain metro status. >> as best as i could. >> as together as he was in appearance, stoltz made it clear prison hadn't been part of his five-year plan. two years earlier, stoltz was on medical leave from his job as a manager for a luxury car company. he was on the mend from a tendon surgery that left one foot and an ankle in a cast. >> i thought, you know, i'm on vacation for the surgery anyway. i might as well go see my

friends. go out to colorado. >> stoltz and his friends went out to a local bar. it was super bowl sunday. around midnight stoltz says he stepped outside to share a cigarette with a young woman. >> there were two men about ten feet to the left of me. i heard them fighting. i said, hey, guys. you guys don't need to fight. and one of them looked at me and began cursing at me, saying some derogatory comments. and i turned away as i mocked him. lightly mocked him and turned away. but it was too late because as i attempted to turn back to that young lady, i was pushed hard from behind in the snow. he attacks me. i try to defend myself and fall because i have one leg working and one in a cast. >> according to stoltz two other men joined his attacker and continued beating him. >> this continues for several minutes down the street. we end up being, what eventually ends up being about 50 yards away from the bar. i just covered my face and they kept kicking me in the head and kicking me all over.

>> how injured are you? >> i'm covered with blood. i mean, i have tons of cuts in my head. that's where they mainly got me, was my head. >> the fight eventually broke up and stoltz's friends walk him back to their condo. but after they went to bed, stoltz realized that among other things, he was missing his cell phone. >> not only was my smartphone gone, i had a really expensive smartphone from work with proprietary data. also my other cell phone and my wallet. i was pretty much without everything, and i panicked. >> stoltz says he decided to go back and look for his missing possessions, but he didn't want to risk another beating. >> but as i hobbled my way out i saw a block of kitchen knives on the counter. and i grabbed a random knife. it happened to be a breadknife. i didn't think about it. i just thought about the fact that i didn't want to get beat up again. and i was so afraid for what happened. so i started walking down the street and hobbling around, and i think i see my smartphone.

so i get excited, but i hear somebody say something over to my right. he says, you shouldn't have come back. right then, i'm like, oh no. this is the guy that wouldn't leave me alone the first time. immediately i showed him the knife. i had my hand out. i said twice that i just want to get my things, i have a knife, leave me alone. and he completely ignored it and started attacking me, and i reacted by swinging my arms back at him. i didn't know where i hit him, if i cut him or anything, but i do know eventually falling and i feel something snap in my hand. and he's continuously swinging on me. and finally he just gets up and a few moments later and walks away. i am panicking at this point, so i get up and i hobble the opposite direction. and i hear someone yell at me from behind, hey, stop. we're calling the police. come back. and i turn around, and that's when it hits me. i have a knife handle in my hand with no blade, and i'm covered in blood.

and i started crying. what ended up happening was he was cut on his cheek, on both sides of his neck, which cut his carotid artery. brian lusk, a 31-year-old new father, were transported from the scene by ambulance. but after stoltz was treated he was taken to the city jail and booked. >> and i thought to myself, well, why? i'm going to tell them what happened, you know? this is just a bad situation. i don't need legal representation. i don't have anything to hide. i kept saying that on the video. i'm just going to tell you what happened. so i told them what occurred. and it got to the point toward at the end of the conversation i said, you know, is he okay? what happened? and he said, no, he's not. he passed away, and this is a homicide investigation. >> coming up, the parents of wesley stoltz's victim share their side of the story. >> you don't expect somebody to come back with a serrated

kitchen knife and decapitate you. you just don't.

"extended stay" series at the limon correctional facility in colorado, inmate wesley stoltz gave his account of the fatal events that resulted in a three-year sentence for criminally negligent homicide. >> that's been two years now. i'm 31 years now. i've aged a lot. it's the most stressful and horrific thing in my life. but strangely enough, i believe everything happens for a reason, and i've learned a lot about myself and about what burden i must carry for the rest of my life. >> doing "lockup," we follow people's stories inside prison. inmates and staff alike. rarely do we get to encounter the victims of these inmates. we found out the parents of wesley's victim wanted to talk

to us. so we took the opportunity to do so. >> here they are. both him and dusty. brian and dusty at the airplane park. >> late in the evening of super bowl sunday 2007, bill and cherie lusk were sound asleep when they got the call every parent dreads. >> it was denver medical center calling. they said that our son had been assaulted and that we needed to come immediately to the hospital. >> i think when i decided that it had to have been real bad is when they ushered us right into a room, and a social worker came in. and the emergency physician came in and told us that our son had been almost decapitated. >> i interviewed the lusks only knowing wesley's account of what had happened that night to brian lusk. and when mr. lusk described his son's body having almost been decapitated, i was shocked.

>> so we go to the icu, and, of course, it's black in the icu except for this one bright room, and they're doing cpr on him. and it was our son. >> he loved soccer until he found out about snowboarding. >> and he liked basketball, too. >> while stoltz claims their son, brian, started the fight, the lusks stand by a very different account. >> it came out during the trial, the bouncer on the stand said out of nowhere stoltz sucker punched our son, brian, and then there was a fight. and i know that brian was losing the fight and that one of his friends, that was a little guy, jumped on stoltz's back and stoltz just shook him off and brian told him to stay out of

it. and i guess brian got the best of stoltz then. >> but both sides agree that later on stoltz returned to the scene of the fight with a serrated kitchen knife. >> how similar is that knife to the knife that killed your son? >> we think it's close from seeing the blade broken off at the trial. >> given the fact stoltz returned to the scene rather than call police, the lusks believe he armed himself not out of fear but revenge. >> i don't think my son did anything wrong that night. i really don't. and i can see when he came back why brian went over there and said, why are you back? i mean i would have. brian didn't know how to fight against a knife. he was just a kid. i mean there wasn't no way. and he just slaughtered him. >> i should have called the police. >> why didn't you call the police? >> it never crossed my mind. i was so obsessed with getting

my things and going. i wanted out of that condominium. i wanted out of that environment. i wanted to go home. i wanted to go back to california where i was comfortable. it was just a -- it was like it was just a big mistake to come out to colorado. and that's how i felt at the moment. >> along with the profound pain caused by stoltz's doomed decision to return to the bar that night, he shares one other thing in common with the lusks. disappointment over the jury verdict. >> they gave us criminally negligent homicide, which is the lowest they could have given us. the minute i heard that, i told bill, i said, i got to leave. i got to leave. i made it outside the door before i broke down. i mean, i was just -- it was like they murdered my son all over again by giving us that kind of verdict. >> at sentencing i still had the illusion that i was innocent, and that this was a gross deviation. this was an impulsive mistake. you know, for that moment when you have your lawyers telling you that, you know, what you did was justified, you tend to believe it because you want to

hold on to the fact that you're not going to be a stigmatized, convicted felon for the rest of your life. >> you feel so alone sometimes. like even though you might be in a room with a bunch of people, but i don't -- i think sherri has thought this some, too, but we -- it's like we're the only ones in this room that their son was murdered. and even at sentencing they asked him if he wanted to apologize, and he said, why? it wouldn't do any good. >> in sentencing there's a lot of things i wanted to say to the family. but i was sick. i could barely talk, and they spent two hours just reading and saying everything bad you could say. and can you really blame them? i mean their son's gone. and the more i wanted to turn and apologize to them, i felt what's the point? it's not going to help. >> wesley took our lives away from us as we knew them.

our lives have totally changed, and we'll never be all right. >> with the wesley stoltz case, we had this rare opportunity to interview both the offender and the victim's family. and it had a profound impact on me. it was heartbreaking. it was a difficult interview. i think we all left afterwards and we were all a little bit down. no matter what transpired that night, obviously there was a fight. but at the end of the day, this young man who was a father of a child and a beloved son of two people, was killed. what would you say now, wesley? >> i never wanted to hurt him. i didn't have vengeful thoughts. i didn't want to throw my life away. i didn't need to settle a score or payback. nothing like that. if there was anything i could do to fix it, i'm more than willing to do. but this is the first thing in my life that i can't. i don't know how to fix.

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