strategy when it comes to north korea 3467. >> we're going to have to come back and spend more time. >> absolutely. >> my thanks to you all for joining our panel today. that does it for this hour. "mtp daily" starts now. hi. >> if it's tuesday, somebody's voting somewhere. the music, and tonight that somewhere could have major national implications. tonight ticking down to final buzzer in georgia. >> yoofeel pretty good about the outcome tonight. >> will democrats finally put a win on the board or will republicans and lucy win one again? >> this is agenciy a jump ball. >> plus exactly how widespread were russia's hacking attacks? the top democrat on the senate

intel committee wants to know and wants all of us to know. >> so far only two states have come forward. >> and later, american otto warmbier died due to his treatment in a north korean prison. what should the u.s. do to retaliate? >> it's a total disgrace what happened to otto. that should never, ever be allowed to happen. >> this is "mtp daily," and it starts right now. well, good evening, i'm chuck todd in washington. voters are headed to the polls right now in the highly anticipated expensive special election. the victorious canned dit will become part of the u.s. house of

representatives. the other party will receive a loud wake up call and the issue of healthcare will be shaken up regardless of who comes out on top. democrats will see their best chance of a special election win slip through their fingers probably for an entire calender year. and that was before he was officially under investigation. democratic donors will likely be limited and wasting effort, and could exasperate the ongoing ideological fight in the party. republicans going to the 2018 mid-term elections with a bitter taste in their mouth, from a close loss and without a certain political strategy. a handle loss would be another negative headline to heap onto the russia investigation. but perhaps the biggest ram fakz

of today's race could be on healthcare. thal keep the foot on the gas on healthcare and get the bill through the senate, whatever it takes. you very well could see republicans start tapping the brakes on healthcare and become vocal on how uncomfortable they are not just with the bill but with the process. the two candidates laid out their final arguments in the last 24 hours and took a couple of shots on each other. he's also attacked her for supporting the house republican health bill. >> it's bad for women, bad for older americans. and it's an example of what happens when politicians in washington are more concerned with party eleckives than supporting healthcare. folks want to see the parties work together on some solutions that are going to make healthcare more accessible and more aaffordable. >> but handle told breitbart

that healthcare hasn't been a big issue on the ground. we see where the messaging is there. tying him to nancy pelosi, anarchists, osama bin laden and trying to make the carpet bagger title stick here to the end. >> the people of the sixth district want this to be about the sixict district. they're very concerned about achb individual who does not even live in this district. >> president trump echoed that attack this morning on twitter. democratic osoff. folks, the only prediction we can make right now is the race is going to be very close. for democrats they need a victory to show any signs of

this resistance showing political life. and republicans need a rictary to get them a bit more cover if they're going to get the healthcare bill back through the senate. we're just a few hours away from knowing who that will be. joining me now is jim, the expert on georgia politics. good to see you, sir. >> great to be back, chuck. >> all right, we know there's a ton of money, turn out is high, all those things. so what the this race, regardless of the victor and there's going to be a whole of reinterpretations from washington. from your standpoint, what is this about? >> number one, this race is about trump. don't let anyone fool you about that. and what's strange is neither handel or osoff wants to say that. in a trump centric race, probably would disappoint both

of those. but i do take your point about healthcare. i think this is a very important eelection as far as healthcare goes. tom's wife betty, has a statehouse district in the heart of cairn's political base. so she can't walk away from that house bill. and she's had to do this dance where she defends it and yet wants to distance herself from it. there are 14,000 medical workers with jobs in the sixth district. 25,000 medical workers work in john lewis's sixth district next door, but i bet you half of them live in the sixth. >> who is the swung voter? >> i think so. i think the swing voter is female, moderate, conservative on social issues, maybe a lilt bit more moderate on fiscal

issues. she has kids in college, doesn't like the gun debate, and i think some of the excesses of the trump administration make her very nervous. >> it seems as if both candidates have flaws, and i'm wondering do you think they cancel each other out or will these flaws be extra highlighted if they lose? with osoff it's inexperience and youth. with handet it's she's a retread. which has become the hardest issue for them to overcome. >> for handet this is her third try for office and she has yet to succeed. she ran for governor and senate. and this is kind of her last shot on this. and there are internal republican forces that aren't completely dedicated toward her

re-election -- toward her election, and i think that could have some bearing. >> how long of a night -- do you think we'll knoll before midnight or do you think we'll have breakfast with results? >> i think we'll know before midnight, but i will tell you chuck, i don't want to be a weatherman, but it is pouring here. 2 to 4 inches, weather advisoryinal 10:00 p.m., and that could affect your handel voter. osoff built his campaign around early voting. so handel's voters are the ones who show up on the day of voting. >> and one more thing you didn't think you needed to worry about in the spring/summer, playing an impact.

let me turn now to the republican in charge of winning races like this. he's also the chair of the national congressional committee. you heard jim galoway there. he said this race is about trump. >> clearly some voters want to be about trump, and it's about when voters want it to be about. and in the end it's about who they want to represent them in the sixth district. and i think carry handel will come out on top of that not just because she lives there but she represents the people of the sixth district. >> win or lose, this is going to be a big race. and if you look at the trump, clinton campaign from november, do you take any comfort by losing by a point saying, well,

we lost it race by a point but republicans get blown out, even though we lost by a point, every democrat -- do you take any comfort in that if you come up short. >> well, chuck we're going to win tonight. but i'm going to tell you the democrats can't afford to spend $33 million on the left seat. if you multiply that out times the 25 democrat districts they have to hold and the 45 republican districts they want to target, that would be $2.1 billion, and they don't have that much money. >> elections are getting expensive, but i don't think we're in multiple of billions yet. who knows. let me ask you on messaging, democrats seemed to have at least one message focused on trump and healthcare. if you look at what was coming

from your side, and i know you didn't control all the messaging, it looks like it's been all over the place. >> well, with a candidate like john osoff who has kind of a thin résume and even exaggerated parts of that, you do find yourself trying to figure out what you can throw against the wall and what can stick. but i think in the end the people of this district want this to be about who's going to represent them the best. and i think that's going to be cairn handel. i feel confident we're going to come out on the winning side tonight. >> do you believe many of your colleagues, maybe the house and senate may be watching tonight on healthcare, because that was the issue most talked about in this district than other issues -- do you feel the process of healthcare this summer, how it goes is on the ballot tonight? >> i think it's certainly one of the factors in this race.

i don't think this race is all about any one thing as you said, chuck. >> let me ask you then specifically on healthcare, do you view it as a negative right now for your members because it's so unpopular and that it's going to take time to it into a positive? or where do you assess the healthcare issue right now for republican candidates thinking about 2018? >> i think only in washington can keeping your promises be called negative. frankly, we campaigned in 2010, 2012, 2014, and 2014, and by the way, chuck, the status quo is terrible in my home state of ohio. i have four of my 12 counties that have zero insurance companies now in the individual mark place and four more that have only one and no choice. so there's a huge prab in the status quo. we have to do something to fix

healthcare. and frankly, i realize that the first bill we passed was not perfect but it was a good first step. >> do you acknowledge maybe you guys should be doing this more in public? it looks like you're hiding for political reasons that it's too painful to talk about the vilk aspects of the bill. i get it as a political tackic. do you think long-term you could pay a price for that? >> we had hearings in the house, and it senate is now drafting a bill. it's hard to draft a bill in public, but they will have hearings. they said they'll have hearings. we'll see how it goes. >> all right, we'll be watching for those hearings ourselves. appreciate you coming on and sharing your views. >> thanks, chuck. >> joining us now our panel. all right, eli, first crack at this, what did you learn?

well, the commentary just reflects this rather benign race. you've got john osoff trying to sort of get past all these billionaire, millionaire progressive donors, hollywood celebrities that have donated to his campaign. it's not easy. and then trying to tar and feather him with this stale play book calling him the nancy pelosi puppet. the fact they're going with that tired attack is something, but it might work in that district. and talking about throwing things at the wall, it seems like that worked the best. it's interesting trump is going to see it on tv, pay attention to it, wave his pompoms if she wins. but he didn't go down there and campaign for it. and i think that tells you she is a liability in this race. >> it is funny both candidates are running away from their

bases. no, no, no i'm not that. it's hard to be a partisan these days and run away from that. >> one of your interviewees was saying the race was about trump even though neither candidate wants to talk about trump. that 5% their counting on are the people who aren't baked in one way or the other because of trump, and that's what the contest is about for that 5% of voters is anything but donald trump. the reason we've all been obsessing about this race for so long is the sixth most educated district in the country, at least people with college degrees have been a lagging group for donald trump. trump won it by about two -- by a point. so this, if the democrats can't make inroads here, then they're really in trouble in the coming years. >> i have a different

perspective on that. yes, trump won it by a point. but tom price won it by multiple, you know, double digits repeatedly. so the fact this is a competitive seat tells you about the trouble the republican party is in right now and some congressional districts in the age of trump. this should not be a -- this would not be a competitive seat were it not for donald trump. and to me this that's what this race is about. >> to me, the single most important point i learned was the weather today. throw yet one weird hurdle into this thing. >> and bad weather keeps democrats home. the early voting, it's really interesting. >> well, the election day voting was enormously important for republicans. it kept osoff from getting over

the first time. >> looking towards next november, there will be some impact on this. if osoff wins i think it's possible that some republicans in other districts might feel vulnerable. >> very quickly on the impact potentially on healthcare, we have john mccain getting cranky about the process, that its hidden. why do i have a feeling if osoff wins you will suddenly see eight to ten republicans well, it would be nice if we did this in public but if handel wins you'll see the this way. >> so these complaints are widespread and absolutely if osoff wins especially with a large margin --

>> it opens the door. >> absolutely. >> this was your beat. >> i don't think they like it either way. once we in the media, and we have been so distracted by that bright, shiny object that we failed to pay enough attention to this healthcare bill, to the way it's being produced behind closed doors. sure it's going do be worse for the mcconnell behind closed doors plan if osoff wins. but i think it's hard for john mac mccain and others to defend this process. >> because we all have videotape. look, i know we're all shocked that hypocrisy is taking place in washington, but it's sort of like it's exhausting. >> it's embarrassing. >> it seems like the country has become numb to it. maybe five, ten years ago something blatant would have more of an effect.

it doesn't seem to in this era. >> you will be here for the rest of this hour. the polls close at 7:00 eastern in georgia. i'm telling you i think you set your alarm for 5:00 a.m. that would be my guest. coming up could russia be trying to interfere in today's election? i'm going to talk to a democrat, the top one on the senate intelligence committee wants to change that. ♪ art. it can be sculpted, bringing to life beautiful detail.

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the bill without them. they're now trying to use procedural tactics. late last night -- a point even some republicans have expressed some frustration about. >> so if you're frusitated by the lack of transparency in this process, i share your frustration. i share it whole haheartedly. >> now they're doing the same thing. >> senate leaders have indicated we're likely to see votes on the healthcare bill as soon as next week. so i guess this idea of hearings, i know congressman stiver said we'll have hearings. maybe we won't. that's why i have the spark cash card from capital one. with it, i earn unlimited 2% cash back on all of my purchasing.

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and talked to him about that specifically. and obviously wave been dealing with a lot of other issues today. >> wow, welcome back. that was white house press secretary sean spicer this afternoon unable to tell us if the president believes his intelligence agencies on russian interference in u.s. elections in 2016. we've already seen blockbuster testimony from james comey, at or near jeff sessions. tomorrow top officials, illinois board of elections and the secretary of state will be in the hot seat on russia's targeting on infrastructure was far wider than previously thought. now calling on the trump administration to publicly disclose every single state that russia targeted. last year two states confirmed being breached or targeted, arizona, and illinois. and bloomberg news -- senator,

warner, how are you doing? i know our time is short, so i'll get right to it. first question you sent a letter to the department of homeland security. you want made public how many states were infiltrated. why is that important for it to become public, and are you at all concerned it could create a little panic? >> we're not trying to create a panic, re-create the 2016 election or embairs any state. what we know, and there have been reports that have had numbers, frankly, that have been wrong. arizona and illinois have acknowledged that russia attempted to hack into their systemess in the 2016 election campaign. i think we would all be safer or better prepared for 2017 if we get this information out and we

can share best practices and make sure. because one thing we know the russians didn't just try to do this in 2016. they tried to vene in france, they're going to try to intervene in germany. >> and there have been a lot who have said definitively we have no evidence, no proof that any votes were altered. do you still have that confidence given the amount of information we're learning about the state level of hacks? >> i do have confidence no individual vote totals were changed. again, this is not about relitigating 2016. but if we show you expensive the russian attempts were to penetrate state system, that i think will put us on a higher level of guard and security. the one thing we do know if the russians were able to come in or some other adversary and even change a county or individual

voting precinct, that could cause a great deal of havoc and chaos going forward. we just need to recognize 21st century technology, hacking is going to impact us for a while and we need to be better prepare. >> i asked him where would you put percentage-wise in the investigation, and she said 20% and there's probably 80% to go. one, i want to ask you if you agree with that saes mmt and and she writes. he is growing skeptical with all the leaks that have come out, there's never been a leak about that. what do you say to david brooks and others that are starting to question whether there's any there there? >> what i would say is let's

take this in order. first of all, we know that the russians tried to intervene in the election system. they hacked into the dnc and also used weaponized information. virtually every senator and democrat agrees with that. the only person who seems to reject that notion is the president. the second piece is we are still at the relatively early stages, i'm not going to give a percentage, as weal start to deal with those affiliates of the trump campaign who at least have been rumored or talked about having contacts with the russians. i would have expected to have more of that work done. but who could have ever predicted that the president himself would have gone out and fired fbi director comey, be launching these rumors at least he might be firing or potentially firing special prosecutor mueller? that has actually taken time

away from the, further conversations with those trump officials who may have been involved with the russians. >> and final question because it sort of relates to healthcare. there's this idea that democrats may try to do the delaying of all committee meetings by at least two hours. that actually could have an impact on the senate committee. are you concerned about that? >> we're going to manage to get the information we need because trying to make sure that we're safe going forward in surms of our electoral system is very important. i also believe the republicans, we all recall some of the critms they made of the obamacare process, many republicans but i've never seen in all my years up here chuck, never seen anything of this so-called secret bill being created. >> i'm out of time. i appreciate you rushing to the camera. thank you, sir. till still ahead, how can

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welcome back. the trump administration is facing a seemingly impossible diplomatic challenge today following the tragic these of the death of otto warmbier.

just about a week of returning home from a coma the state department says it holds north korea accountable for warmbier's death is demanding the release of three other americans who are also detained there. senator john mccain and marco rubio say the 22-year-old was murdered by the kim jung-un. today the president lashed out by the timing of warmbier's return. >> it was a disgrace what happened to otto. it should never, ever be allowed to happen. and frankly, if he were brought home sooner, i think the result would have been different. he should have been brought home that same day. what kind of response will this tragedy prompt from the president who once said he'd be honored to meet with kim

jung-un. can anything be done? the white house did not signal any change in tactics for now. >> we will continue to apply economic and political pressure. we will continue to work with our allies. i think we've had impact with china and we will continue to put pressure on north korea to change this behavior and this regime. >> an understandably measured response from sean spicer and the administration because they don't know what to do here. joining me now is ambassador hill. i'm probably not alone. there's something about what happened with otto that just makes you angry as an american. and there's some need for retribution, some retaliation here. but for the life of me i can't think of an obvious answer or i'm guessing if there was one, it'd already be implemented. >> well, you bet it makes people

angry. about everyone can relate oo son or child that gone off and done something they shouldn't have done, but for a parent to alenldedly take a poster as a souvenir and be charged and sentenced to 15 years of hard labor is simply ridiculous and outrageous. so i think people do feel there has to be something we can do. but the problem comes back to had same problem we have with nuclear weapons. what is it we're supposed to do? do we try to attack them with force? do we then hold our breath and hope they don't retaliate in south korea and get us into a second korean war? lot of problems there. and i think the trump administration has tried to deflect it and turn it into politics and blame it on president obama, but i don't think frankly that dog is going to hunt. >> well, he put out this other tweet.

he said this afternoon while i appreciate the efforts of china and xi, it has not worked out. at least i know china tried. all past tense. what do you make of it. >> well, i think there's a lot of criticism of the president especially among republican and the foreign establishment that he somehow gave away all oisz leverage, bet on the chinese, put everything on the chinese and lo and behold, they haven't been able to solve the problem yet. so what i think he's trying to say i tried to go in with the chinese, but it might suggest he's going to move in the other direction. one of the problems with diplomacy of this administration is sort of one announcement to the next announcement without a lot going on in between. so he doesn't really have an ongoing strategy, an approach to the chinese that's daily in nature as opposed to episodic. so i think he comes up against

the same old problem, what do you do? and he has a rather delicate relationship with the south koreans. they don't want to be pushed around by us. they don't like the koreans either. but we've got to manage that carefully. if we're perceived by south koreans as not allowing them to have any talks with north korea, we're kind of falling into that very del tearious propaganda they have there to the effect that great powers have prevented the korean people from coming together. i do understand the frustration of the chinese, but to some extent it was entirely predictable. >> let me go back to i heard sean spicer say we're going to continue with political and economic sanctions. no country likes sanctions, but this country is operated under this sanction. kim jung-un, hasn't it been his whole life that country has been

under sanctions? at that point what new sanctions could be enacted that might have any bite? >> it's hard to say. people have tried to get at the koreans by banning cigarettes and liquor sales and things like that. and nothing really on the sanctions side has really moved them. the issue is whether china would somehow quarantine north korea, prevent any movement across that border, stop selling them refined gasoline. as you know they have no refineries there. so maybe china could step it up. but history has shown that sanctions trains are never enough for what you're trying to dee-deal with. in this case this utterly brutal regime, essentially, i think john mccain has a point. until the koreans can explain in some honest way what happened to him, we have to assume he was frankly mistreated in such a way that i don't think murder is too far off the mark. >> ambassador, i guess it's sort of do we have to do -- is there

a consequence of doing nothing? >> well, you know, throughout history countries have gone to war over treatment of their citizens. and certainly the highest level of responsibility certainly at the state department and elsewhere is to take care of our citizens. and by the way, that's been true since long before the trump administration. so when you have a citizen mistreated and ultimately killed, there is a sort of sense that something has to be done. but the problem with north korea is always finding out what that something is. by the way, if we haven't been able to find that something for nuclear weapons, it's hard to find that for the death an american. i hate to channel sean spicer, but he does have a point. we've got to try to do more things with the chinese, do more things with our allies. >> and maybe just go performance

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remember and fred pointed it out in his op-ed and my friend kristen carol wrote about it today after otto warmbier away. we need to be outraged of the treatment of this regime by this regime of its own people. tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of people who are killed, tortured, imprisoned. christian wrote about how if owe were one of their concentration camps and you catch a rat and eat it because you're starving, they punish you for theft of state property. that's this regime. we can't forget it. >> there's not another regime around the world like this. this is on a level of midievels. >> it's like communism.

what's frustrating is we know these things. it's a limit to what we can do about it. >> also nuclear weapons. >> i was just about to say that is, boy, if that isn't a reminder. it's not a reminder to any rogue state in the world what's the best way to prevent the united states or any other world power for punishing you for mistreating its people, have nukes. >> you saw where the president was motivated because he learned of a chemical gas attack against incide innocent people. there's no real action that can sort of check box and say i responded. i drew a red line. with north korea it's more tricky.

there's not much to do beyond that. >> where are we going with russia? >> with the russian investigation. >> i think the argument that's been afoot in some quarts there's no evidence of collusion. okay. kind of got bored with that story, case closed. gets it completely wrong. the reality is that this is a really complicated story. we have been pursuing it for a while. there's threads that keep on opening up. the president has been frantic to keep michael flynn safe. what is the interest in that? what was going on with the contacts during the transition. we don't know. we are not close to the bottom of what happened between the campaign -- trump campaign and russians bp let's let the

process going go forward. >> we went down this path. that actually has served as it's added fog to the whole story. >> just imagine how much more thrown off they will be when mueller gets fired. i agree with ruth that the investigation needs to proceed. i do think that the giddy talk among trump's opponents mostly on the left and the right about impeachment and 25th amendment and smoking guns has gotten ahead of the story. >> let the investigation proceed on its own. don't jump to the conclusion yet. everybody's trying to read the last page of the book. it's not been written. >> i think the zeal on both sides. you see trump so eager to brush

this away. that's hurt him. i think the media has to be careful about leaning too hard into these watergate comparisons as well because we're already living in these worlds where nobody really trusts each other. that's not a climate where if there's obvious evidence there's a certainty it will proceed like it did 40 years ago. >> i guess i trust you. at least today. any way, thank you all. after the break, why the carpet bagger status hits home with several members of congress. (dance music)

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every republican with an interest in the georgia special election. there's one vote that john ossoff is not going to get in tonight's contest, his own. he does not live in georgia 6 so he can't vote in the race. he lives in georgia's 5th congressional district. the constitution only requires you live in the same state, no t the same district. in case you missed it this happens more than you might think. if he wins he wouldn't be the only member of congress living in georgia's 5th district who represents another district. the post identified 21 members of congress who live in districts they do not represent. guess what? it's pretty bipartisan. 11 democrats. 10 republicans. none of them are from wyoming or

montana. in some cases these are folks who used to live in their districts but the lines got redrawn. that's tonight. "for the record with greta" starts now. get ready to refresh those election georgia 6 pages. >> no kidding. we're picking up right where you left off. we're staying with this breaking news. right now it's less than one hour before most georgia polls close. this is a historic election and make no mistake, it's the biggest political test of the trump presidency. folks, prumpesident trump, he'st a big problem. in 2012, mitt romney won this district over then president barack obama by 23 points. that's huge. last fall, the guy who seat is up tonight, tom price won by 23 points. that's huge. get this. on that same election day in that same heavily dominated republic