>> we are out of time. i am going to have you all back, please, please take our call, we'll call you as soon as this ends and book you all back. >> thank you to panel and everyone and evan mcmullen for arriving today and robert from massachusetts, that does it for this hour. i am nicole wallace. "mtv daily" starts now. well, if it is friday, 38 is the number today. >> tonight, he's all about that bass. president trump's support in a merely 40%. could that be enough of what he wants. senat and another stunning new report

on russia's election hacking. did the obama administration sit on its hands? >> now we actually inouknow put directed it. it starts radight now, this is "mtp daily." >> good evening, welcome to "mtp daily," i am chuck todd. tonight we begin with trusts. new questions are arriising of e obama administration and the political tunnel, american people are remaining deeply divided as our evidence of our new nbc wall street post. we talk a lot about institutions. americans don't trust the party and the media. the president himself is raising doubts about the intelligence committee. folks, 2016 election is over but

you would not know it yet. apology ies if you think the calendar had not changed. distrust is so rapid that we don't trust each other. we have respo-- political leade sides calling unity after that incident. many hopes it is a turning point. the reality, swift to point blame on the other side and pointing at someone with different views. when asked from extreme rhetoric from someone in the media whether it is an isolated incident, the responses were mixed. 46% over saying it is isolated incident and 41% blamed rhetoric. when you break it out among parties, the response is striking. republicans it is 37% and a

majority blamed 52%. democrats said the shooting is an isolated incident. 2016 was the year of post truth. it is like 2017 we are living in a post substance world and neither side is listening to the others. what matters most is a win or a lost for your side. we heard it from the polls respon respondance. >> the immediamedia keeps on re the lie and it stirs the crap. >> people are gullible and if they listen to one side of the story, that's what they police chief.

the right wing media and the conservatives only give the public half the truth so people don't question the government. then there is an independent woman from north carolina,she ended up blaming everybody. "i think people are desperate on both sides to get their candidates in office and it became irresponsible in the way they communicated." folks, democrats don't trust republicans and the republicans don't trust the democrats. independence are stuck in the middle well, that's why we are not apart of the members. there is one other thing, stuck inside our poll number is a magic number for president trump. hovering between 38% and 40% of his approval rating is the percent who believes the economy improves. the percent that wants the

repeal effort to continue. those numbers may seem small, they're not a majority but they're mighty. right now it is keeping the president zt this party a flow. lets dive in those numbers. it is important to remember. the healthcare passes will be any votes from democrats and congress. some republican members are being asked to decide dismantling the law that works in the state. it is an impossible choice. if our poll is any indicator it is risky to trade from the party lines than what could be the best interest of constituents. i am joined by our pollster fred yang and bill, welcome to you both. >> fred, i want to start with you, you are the inspiration for why i want to set up the polls this way. yeah, i got 1,000 pages of tabs

for you. these quotes are emblemmatic of where our polls stand today. >> i think the verbatim shows that we don't listen to each other anymore. how can you get trust if you not listening to the other side. >> i think that's where this country is and as you noted that's where politicians follow voters. >> bill, it is interestingly when you go to this poll, i keep on saying 38% and it struck me, the public is organizing itself of a parliament system. 38% stick by the party. while it is not a majority, it is bigger than any fashion. >> actually i have said this before, we have become a

parliament system. each party voting 90 or 95% of their candidates and the middle house sort of evaporated. part of that is our congressional district. the seats were drawn to either to be republican s or democrats. each member has a smart political filter. how do i not lose a primary. >> i guess it makes interpreting polls different now, right? >> we used to be 50 was the new 60 and with obama was 45 was the new 50. if you would have said five years ago, 40% is a disaster for that party's running at a congressional, 40% was good enough for the republicans to win a swing difference. >> our discussion yesterday, one of the reasons why president trump is in the high 30s and low

40s is because virtually no democrats will give him any oxygen and that's very different from the past. it is taken a year or a year and a half for an obama or clinton to reach those. >> i forgotten that obama could get the 3% job approval rating from republicans. i did not realize that obama gotten to 30 among republicans. >> that's the beginning of his administration. we live in two worlds. do you live in a district that's run by republicans or democrats. if you are in a republican direction, this review shows that you -- you disapprove of the president by 40 points. that's a 42 points difference. when you say how come republicans are not losing republicans open seats, they have been drawn to stay republicans.

this split is all over. did the russians interference in the 2016 election. this is simply of the russians interfering. a majority believe that they did. look at the party splits. 65% of the republicans saying no. 78%. again, we can keep ongoing down the line here. it is not a belief system anymore. we now disagree on facts. and so for example, we got 24 and a lot of people in the country say i believe that hillary clinton would be president were not for the russians and that's the these totally rejected by the republican base.

>> i think of a decade or ago or a average person first response, maybe they could be right or maybe there is something to this. now the default position on either side is they're wrong and i am right. >> this plays something of healthcare. >> you guys have clients on the ballot for 2018. ten years ago if you were to said to me boy, fred, for democrats, do they risk alienating, is there an argument made that democrat voters would punish democrats by a greater margin and same question vice versa. t >> the polls i am seeing is democratic voters are more hopeful than republican voters across party line. i think that's true. >> so but still i think depending on you know the location and the district right

now, one of the big factors for democratic voters is how much are you leading the resistance of trump? >> and the republican side, there is no upside as far as and unless you are truly in a sbiwi district. there is not a lot of upside. >> no. >> look and here is the thing i want to make sure that we understand. that is generational change. political scientist measures polarization by my party rating my president this way and i rate my party this way. >> bill clinton was the most polarizing president until george and he was the most po r polarized president until obama and he's the most until donald trump. this is not out of the blue. it took 20 years to get here. this is a long time step by step process to create this lock that

you are talking about between these two political parties. this has to be bottom. who revolts? >> do the soft d's and r's revolt what happens and do they revolt? time . >> i thought the trump's victory was a revolt. he was not a democrat or a republican. >> certainly a conservative. >> yeah >> and this country is right for third party. trump had that opportunity and now it is further away. >> that does seem to be -- there was an opening here. >> there were a group of people that was sick and tired of gridlock and lets try something.

>> we have to go back to where we were on election night. you asked how did this happen? one out of five people did not like either candidate but they voted donald trump by a 2-1 margin. if i did not like both, let me try something new. i think the president -- a princip group of people thinks that donald trump represents change. we are under estimating of trump's strengths and the element of change, still. the republicans and the democrats are the party where they think the economy is going to get better. if you are the party, republicans who represent change and the strong economy, today, those are two powerful playing cards in the table. >> obama used to in 12. >> unlike those years, we are going to have a republican

congress repeal a healthcare law that's been in place. look, there is always issues of obamacare and there was a big issues of 2010 but there is nothing like taking away from the republic. that's the added layer of republicans heading into '18 and '20. >> quite the polls and a bit depressing. lets bring in tonight's panel, the president's ceo and radio host of nbc and nbc analyst, sarah fagan, she's now an nbc crontributor. lets deal with the top here. dean heller, one of the most vulnerable republicans up for reelection in 2018, a handful that have to worry about it.

he seems to be in a real vi vice -- >> there is not a great answer today. look, part of what makes people successful in politics is when they take something and they own it. we'll see where this bill ends up. i suspect you will be for it and we'll see. that's what's going to be what his campaign is. it is going to be for him voted to save healthcare. these big companies are pulling out every week. republican senators are going to have to make sure they are talking about what they are doing to provide healthcare for people. >> you know near a reluctant and supporting something reluctantly and being dragged to support something. that did not go well for

democrats. >> oh, you are a reluctant of something i did not like. >> it did not matter. the issue with sandoval and the governor pressuriing heller, i don't think he can make that in nevada. this bill is a disaster and his language today was very clear. you can make an easy ad against heller of what he said about this bill. at the end of the day, given what they are doing with medicaid, hundreds of thousands in nevada, children of disability and women will lose healthcare with this bill. >> it is not a false statement. >> it is on cbs on monday >> they're bad about numbers, we all know that. >> are you right about the numbers. why are you right? >> doctors and groups. >> states have the ability to

reshape this in a way that's cost affected and effective and provides the coverage. >> if he thought this was such a great bill for the people of nevada, he will support against it. governor john kasich is against it. >> many states have challenges and it is going to provide for certain states. >> let me go to the political side of this for mitch mcconnell, who should we worry about moving this bill towards? rand paul, ted cruz, or dean heller? >> dean heller is an x senator if he's voted on this bill. >> he could be either way. >> you really believe -- >> why?

>> they're not going to vote for him. >> they'll not vote for him. not happening. >> he's able to improve it and it is now something he did and able to get it passed. >> what do you do -- >> he's got to own it. >> right. >> the problem is, that moves it in one direction. and while i think we all believe what rand paul is a defendano. >> heller, what do you say to that? >> what i want to do is -- maybe you will get lisa -- >> i believe senator heller has to come back but it can be done. >> senator collins is a great

example. she defended her statement to fix it with planned parenthood for her definitive statements. i guess there are people where words can be meaningless. >> let me ask you this, if mcconnell comes on thursday and this is the day he wanted to get the vote and does not have the numbers. the last thing he wants to do and he believes prolong ing the debate does not work. do you pull the plug and gets the record and say, i am out, lets go to taxes? >> i don't subscribe to that view because you have to g et the bill done. >> worst outcome. first of all, they got something that's an improvement of what exists and they can run on that and champion it. >> we don't know if people will think it.

>> but they have a long time to win the pr. >> it is the most important opportunity of entitlement of our lifetime. they just give time to sell. >> no, i am not saying it is easy for people are behind the curve as a party in selling this bill and there is a reason for that. >> nonetheless, republicans spent seven years talking about this. >> from a political mind set, i would say you know democrats should say, you own the healthcare system and people will lose coverage and they'll start to lose coverage this year. there will be ads against every republican and every house who did this. it is already popular. it is already popular. >> so there is a political argument to say pass this and i believe in keeping healthcare and not destroying people's healthcare so i don't think it is the right thing to do for the

country. i would also say and all of these republicans want them continue working. cassidy and others have called for continuous working. >> i don't know if they can afford to keep this debate going. >> all right, stick around, we'll pause this debate. trust me it is a pause. >> coming up, a republican pulls the support from the healthcare bill. we'll talk to the senators. dear predictable, there's no other way to say this. it's over. i've found a permanent escape from monotony. together, we are perfectly balanced. our senses awake. our hearts racing as one. i know this is sudden, but they say...if you love something set it free. see you around, giulia

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that $100k is not exactly a fortune. well, a 103 how long did it take you two to save that? a long time. then it's a fortune. i told you we had a fortune. get closer to your investment goals with a conversation. welcome back, reactions have been swift. dean heller will have the toughest decision. came out against the bill as it is written this afternoon. >> this is why. first, it does not protect on medicaid and the most vulnerables. the biggest lie in healthcare in

the last ten years that if you like your doctors, you can keep them. this bill passes, tpremiums are going down. >> folks, this is yet another blow to the bill's prospects. now you got someone on the moderate end of spectrum. republicans need 50 votes so they can afford to lose two republicans but not more. president trump was optimistic convincing the four conservatives who came against the bill yesterday. >> well, they're four good guys and four friends of mine. i think they'll get there and we'll have to see. i have done it five months of what people have not done in years. >> joining me now for the democratic perspective on this is senator ron.

>> do you want to fix this bill or the amendment of the democrat offers are about making political statement. >> we want to defeat this bill. this bill is a huge setback for millions of americans who depends on medicaid as lifeline and nursing home. the feedback is chuck, what we are dealing here and americans hate it is a big con job. the republicans said after this bill passed, they'll start fresh. instead, they're doubling down. the h-pack in the house bill where it says you can charge people five times as much. it is still in the senate bill. >> that's pretty tough words. it does not sound like you don't think this bill is fixable. let me ask you this, is it just

politically too hard for either political base to tolerate the two par ties working together o polarizing right now? >> i have dedicated my professional life and written bipartisan laws and have been signed by presidents of both political parties. look, the point is we have said from the beginning that if republicans said they would not go with a partisan our way or the highway approach which is reck reconciliati reconciliation, we work together. the first thing we do is we stabilize the private insurance market. i have some ideas. republicans went along with those. we move to prescription drugs and one of the things we got to be doing is going after the medal men. these pharmaceutical benefit managers. we don't know what's put in their markets and consumers' pockets. you cannot do it if you don't have a process.

>> it struck me, 2011, you and paul ryan worked on a medicare bill and you got a lot of grieves from democrats from working on that bill. tell me about that experience? >> well, of course, you get flaked. out of that experience, i came up with approach of liberals and conservatives that would update the medicare guarantee. now medicare like cancer and diabetes and heart disease and strokes. we have launched a significant bipartisan effort to update the medicare guarantee, you can find common ground on it and that's not republicans do with respect to the affordable care act. i think it had two goals. one is to give a massive tax cut and you look, for example, of capital gain weight and you get

people giving hundreds of thousands of dollars and baby boomers and many people cannot afford healthcare. >> if the bill goes down because of some changes hhs have made under president trump, there is more insurance pulling out of this market and again, i know each side is using -- there is many of the ensurers pointed this decision by nhs which republicans argued it was illegal of the guaranteeing of stabilization funds in order to encourage folks to come in. i guess my question is this, what do you have to do and if this bill goes down, what do you have to do with the health insurance exchanges in order to stabilize the market this summer if this bill goes down on next thursday. >> chuck, the first thing we are going to do and i hope this bill goes downward and we are digging in and making it possible is we

are on a stop pouring gasoline on the fires of uncertain of the health insurance marketplace. this is the private sector. and the idea they are making payments -- the first thing we would do is stabilize the private insurance markets and we got ideas on how to make it efficient and i would like to get more people into these insurance networks providing ways to better spread cost as a risks. if we can take it down, the first thing we are going to say is we are going to come up with ideas and we suggested them with democrats so we kanpcan pursue n a partisan basis. >> why did obamacare did not do that? >> that was not my first choice. i had a bill with several democrats and republicans.

>> why embiid ed it? >> what we got was one of our key provisions. we had 14 senators evenly divided saying that we absolutely have to have airtight loophole free protection with people of preexisting conditions don't get discriminated again. one of the reasons i file strongly about rejecting this republican proposals is i don't want to go back to the days where the loopholes of protection of preexisting conditions. lets not go back to the day of healthcare for the healthy. for example, it was not efficient as it ought to be and clearly you need more in wilhelmsen tif

incentives to make it attractive for younger people getting into the pool. now the bipartisan bill i have we are able to avoid those kinds of problems. the bottom line was that made me convinced to pass the affordable care act is if you don't have protection for people who have preexisting conditions, insurance companies can constantly clobber the millions of people who face those kinds of problems and you do have care of staying healthy. that's not america. >> senator wyden, thank you for staying late. i know most mof your colleagues took off. >> still ahead, new details. what the obama administration knew about the russia interference and what they did or did not do.

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telling that it was unlikel unlikely -- after months of what it turns out and of secret debates, the former president landed on a modest package that even those who helped design them described their package as largely symbolic. that led to the choked comment by the senior official. gregg is joining me now, thank you for coming up. >> thank you. >> so after reading your story, i am starting to wonder will we look back in 20 years and say the eyes of only briefing that was handed to the cia and president, the eyes of one or two others, dennis mcdennis and susan rice, is that the equivalent of 2001 presidential

brief of osama bin laden's attack and we'll look at it as a red flag. >> in this case, there were some signals from clear one that is russia was looking around in the election. this piece of sbintelligence though was twofold, it confirmed the operation was run by vladimir putin himself and he had a preferred candidate and he had instructed russia intelligence services to work and benefit donald trump and help hillary clinton. that intelligence came at the beginning of august and much earlier than we had known and long many months before the obama administration gave any glimpse of that to the public. so with this whole debate on what to do, all of it was, it seems like caller by the issue

of perception. >> big time. >> so there were two main things, one was the white house before the election was reluctant to take action in part because they worried of escalation of russia leading to chaos on election day, worried that russia may mound some serious cyber assaults on november 8th that would disable voting machines. there was this sort of perceptions in politics of important layers of this considerations. the obama team throughout the period was paralyzed by concerned that it would be accused of politicizing intelligence that it would be accused of using this russian intel and its response to that in ways to try to help hillary clinton. >> it is a good thing that has no happened because none of that has happened on the front. i am curious because some obama

administration officials made the claim to me, yes, you can criticize for not acting publicly faster. they claimed the action they took based on the intelligence did slow the russians down and maybe there was a plan to infiltrate the election's data and trying to mess up on election day itself and that the response whether it was president obama's personal appeal putin at the g-20 or whether it was the sanctions or whether it was the in fact they got outed that did stop the program, do we know that for sure? >> well, we don't know what russian objectives were on that day. there were inld occasidicationse probing of databases. we know that was the plan they then backed away from because obama confronted putin in china

and the administration sent other warnings to russia. >> why didn't they after the election do something stronger? >> i think that's a good question. the election was such a shock to the system that it took them a while to recover and regain their footing. when they did and they returned to these deliberations over immu impunitive measures. i think they were trying to calibrate those in a way that would design to survive that transition. all along their assumptions was a hillary's victory which meant they had time to work with and whatever they did not finish doing, clinton's administration would complete and all of a sudden they looked at trump's

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the panel is back. let me read something here from tim kaine. looks a bit in response to the obama administration and what it had on russia. obama once said his national security strategy was don't do stupid stuff. the lack of a clear strategy led to a lackadaisical response to russia's cyber attacks. i understand why tim kaine is upset. >> don't we all. >> in hindsight, i think it's fair criticism. in the moment do you understand why the obama administration was nervous about how to handle this? >> what you see from the response today, you have donald trump attacking the intelligence agencies now. republicans falling in line. i think their concern was that republicans would use it as an attack against the

administration and nothing would have happened differently. i think that's a mistake. i think they still should have done it. the french government came together when they said russia was trying to attack. i think the obama administration should have done more. today in issue after issue, we still have this problem with russian hacking. he's trying to undermine russian sanctions and expressed no interest, not any interest in this issue. in fact, the intelligence sources tell us he's been trying to stop the russia connection. >> do you think if it becomes a political problem at all if the president works overtime to weaken russian sanctions? >> republicans are passing

sanctions. the danger of asaumsumptionassu. they assumed secretary clinton was going to win. you can't let assumption determine how you will handle your material. they did its on team obama. >> when you say -- they just assumed they had more time? >> secretary clinton was going to win. they did not -- >> they didn't see the urgency. >> it makes total sense. it takes total sense. you're in a no win situation if you're the president of the united states. you come out, you point out russia interference.

i don't think he could have won and he was cautious. >> it's outrageous that mitch mcconnell squashed this. >> they briefed the gang of eight and -- >> when the republicans won't even return the cia director's call. >> the difficulty of that is the director called on august 4th and did nothing with the information. he would not confirm what they said to have. he wouldn't confirm. this is crucial that when you say stop interfering with our election, you have to go public. >> in august -- >> it's not mcconnell's call. >> it was his call to stand up. >> it's not his call.

>> president obama should have gone to the public without mcconnell. the fact they wouldn't stand with the president and democrats on this issue did mean they put partisanship over country. >> one in four republicans believe russia interfered in this collection. not asking about the collusion. that's striking. >> they are clearly taking a trump position on this. this is about checking the box that they support donald trump. the russians have been interfering in our elections since the '60s. >> not like this. >> they've been doing this for a very long time. >> some countries are better at fighting it. >> that was a lively panel. thank you, three.

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