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when you brush or floss you may have gum problems and could be on the journey to much worse. help stop the journey of gum disease. try new parodontax toothpaste. ♪ good saturday to you, i am jacob soboroff in los angeles, but all eyes are on capitol hill where the senate has less than a week to pass its obamacare replacement bill if it does vote before its july recess. as majority leader mitch mcconnell hopes. and republicans' chances of passing that bill appear to be dwindling with five gop senators announcing their opposition to the plan. president trump now stepping in to offer his support to the bill, but can he help it get across the finish line? plus, "one nation overdosed," my inside look at the opioid crisis playing this country. i will take you to the epicenter, ohio, where officials say they are on track for more than 10,000 drug overdoses this
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year alone, and addiction treatment funding could be slashed by the republican health care bill. >> so you live around here? you said you have a nickname for this street. >> morgue avenue. >> we begin with the new senate health care bill, president trump called the house version mean, but democrats say this bill is downright nasty. and are all expected to vote against it with no democratic support, senate majority leader mitch mcconnell cannot afford more than two defections in the republican caucus. but right now, there are five republicans opposing the bill in its current form. president trump tweeting his support for the bill, outside of d.c., americans are already getting a glimpse of the battle to come with the vote fast approaching senators expect a titanic fight. joining me now is msnbc's benji sarlin. there is a compromise or is there one that will get mitch mcconnell the votes without losing the ones that he's already got? >> well, first of all, it is possible. when you hear people saying
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they're opposed to the bill, often that just means they have some last-minute demand that they want satisfied. the question is, is there something that satisfies everyone. you saw senator dean heller in interview the other day come out very strongly against the bill in very similar terms to democrats, saying it doesn't cover enough people, it cuts medicaid by too much. that seems very difficult to get him to yes based on those complaints. you also have on the conservative side, senator rand paul, who thinks that the bill is too close to obamacare and it's possible that some of thinks complaints, for example, that its subsidies are similar to obamacare, just too fundamental to the bill to change. after that, you can't lose a single senator so it will come down to moderates like susan collins, lisa murkowski, who are concerned that the bill doesn't cover enough people and conservatives like, for example, senator mike lee, who are worried that it's too similar to obamacare and as too many obamacare regulations and protections for things like
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preexisting conditions. whether you can thread the needle and satisfy them all, that's a pretty open question. >> benjy, let's talk about some of those moderates that you mentioned, all from states that are deeply suffering from the opioid crisis. we're going to talk about that this hour. this bill came up billions of dollars short in the funding for treatment that they had wanted. do we know where they are on this bill right now? >> it's possible that coming up short oncoming up short for funding for opioid treatment and there's only about $2 billion in one year in the senate bill, it's possible that lack of funding could be a prelude to a deal with they add more later. but this gets to more fundamental issues. it still cuts medicaid by very large amounted. in some ways, the cuts would be more dramatic than even the house bill, which cut medicaid spending by over $800 billion. you talk to senator rob portman, he said he's been very concerned that if you have fewer people on medicaid, you'll have fewer people getting treatment for opioid addiction. however, he is somewhat flexible on this issue, he said it's possible it can be made up, for
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example, with private insurance, perhaps, or funding elsewhere. but this is something that they're seriously going to have to look at. >> yeah, i think the "los angeles times" reported this week that over a third of people on the medicaid expansion in ohio alone report some form of dependency treatment and that's the reason they're using that medicaid funding. what do we know about time something is this thing definitely going to happen this week and we're going to get a vote? >> in theory, everybody on the republican side would like to get it through pretty quickly and out of their hands before the july fourth recess. that means this week. this week. in the next few days, even while this bill still is changes that are likely to happen, even before we have a cbo score, though one is going to come out before a vote, this really is imminent here. however, some senators have acknowledged that they would like perhaps a slower process. senator ron johnson of wisconsin has been pretty clear that he's been upset with the speed with which this has gone. it's possible this can get pushed until after the july recess. but every day this hangs around,
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the more time there is to criticize it, the more time there is for democrats to rally opposition to it. and in the meantime, republicans can't linger because eventually they have to move on to things like tax reform. so they don't have infinite time here. >> all right, buck p up, it's going to be quite a week. thanks a lot, man. >> thanks, jacob. the health care issue is a major topic of discussion as lawmakers hold town hall meetings across the country. this week and last hour, democratic senator from maryland told nbc what people should do if they oppose this republican bill. >> we're bringing people together here and asking them to reach out to their friends and neighbors by phone, over social media, texting, no matter what, in other states where -- and asking their friends and relatives to contact their republican senators. people are very worried, and they want to know what they can do. >> and vaughn joins us live from maryland. what are the constituents out
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there telling you? >> reporter: i've got the nurses -- hey, jacob, we've been talking to a lot of them here. the town hall just started. we've been to a will the of republican town halls over the last couple months but in maryland, there are constituents that are concerned about the impact that a potential senate bill health care bill would have on them and actually i'm going to bring in one of them. christy is from japa, maryland, about an hour away. tell me why you drove here. >> i drove about two hours to get here today to be a part of this event. i was excited to get the information from senator von hollen's office this morning. i was started with my first aca policy on january 1 of 2014. i was diagnosed nine days later with bilateral breast cancer. the aca policy that i've had since that time has covered everything i've needed to do from diagnostic testing, surgeries -- >> you're still going through treatment. >> i'm still in hormone treatment and so that involves
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taking medication every day. >> what's your concern. >> my concern is if we get away from the aca, that i will no longer have the continuity of care that i've had under my blue cross blue shield plan under the aca. i'd be thrown in a high risk pool where i'd no longer have insurance as i do now and what i have now has kept me life for three years since diagnosis. >> jacob, what we've heard, you have medicaid recipients here, a lot of individuals that receive subsidies through the exchanges, and as part of the senate bill that's on the -- going, likely to the floor at the end of this week, there's going to be a large number of those individuals that would no longer be able to receive subsidies as part of the exchange and so really what chris van hollen, he said people here in maryland need to call into nevada and to arizona and to maine where there's a lot of republican senators, moderates that are still on the fence and encouraging them to hold back and vote no ultimately this week. >> yeah, and it's those personal stories like the ones we just heard that i think are driving
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opposition and certainly striking fear into the hearts of those moderate senators across the country. nbc's vaughn hillyard in maryland, thanks for joining us and for your golf announcement voice because i'm sure the constituents there appreciate it very much. on to another personal story that is making waves across the one in pennsylvania. protesters have been leading vigils at republican senator pat toomi's office. he was on the health care working group and was involved in some of the proposed medicaid cuts. a mom who lost her son to drugs warned that the fight against opioid addiction will face a crippling setback if the bill becomes a law. look at this. >> and if you have not seen someone in the throws es of thi addiction, you are not equipped to know that it is a disease. i know t t. it looks like cancer in the last stages, and there's certainly a lot of other types of patients i'm concerned about losing health insurance. but i have gone to too many funerals of young people in the last couple of years before let's bring in jonathan cohen,
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senior national correspondent for "huffington post" and the an author. also want to bring in reporter alex bolton with the hill and republican strategist noel, welcome to all of you. jonathan, that mom in pennsylvania says that you can not talk to people in her community without finding somebody who has got a loved one battling addiction. i saw it in ohio. people see it all across this country. what happens to this nation's fight against opioids under this senate bill. >> what happens is that the fight against opioid addiction takes a huge hit. it's a huge setback. you know, in states like ohio, west virginia, you've seen in your reporting, you've seen what this epidemic looks like. you know, we have ways to treat it. there's treatment out there. but people need to get it. they need to be able to pay for it. medicaid is a lifeline for these communities right now. rolling back the expansion, which allowed so many millions of people to get health insurance, and then in the future cutting the funding for
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the program through either these per capita caps or these block grants that are in the proposals, both of those two steps, you are taking a huge amount ofbill, especially those that impact drug treatment at a time when ohio is facing an opioid epidemic. do you think, noel, that mitch mcconnell is worried about the impact on the opioid fight? >> you know, whether -- i can't get inside the mind of mitch mcconnell, but what i will tell
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you is this. you've got to realize that republicans are under pressure right now, they're under pressure to get a health care bill passed. they want obamacare repealed and they also have to find -- they have the burden of finding the replacement for that. it is a very narrow road. i think what we're going to end up having is obamacare lite. and i think if we end up with this, because look, you just pointed out, and i've been listening to your segment all along, and there are a lot of republicans that are not very thrilled with what mitch mcconnell, what they've done behind closed doors and what they've come out with. they're not thrilled with it. but when we look at this, when we are finished with this, we're going to end up probably taking parts of obamacare and part of some of the republican party plan, and we're going to have a -- a good bill that both democrats and republicans can get behind. and look, you know, the bad part of this is, we're playing politics. is it going to be a republican victory for health care, is it going to be obamacare that's
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going to be victorious. it's got to be the american people that are victorious and we need to take the party politics out of it. we need to protect everybody, you know, that's getting sick. we need to have premiums that are not, you know, rising and doubling and since 2013, to 2017, premiums under obamacare have done nothing but double. >> i want to quickly play a little bit more from vaughn's interview with democratic senator chris van holen who is holding a town hall this afternoon. watch this. >> how can you say this is a health care bill when not a single, not one patient advocacy organization is in favor of this bill and all the provider groups and nurses, doctors, against it. so do the right thing. >> jonathan, back to you real quick. we're also seeing several insurers that are coming out against this. is anybody in the health field actually backing this? >> not really. and that really does tell you something. you know, in 2009, in 2010, when
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democrats wrote the affordable care act, they spent a lot of time talking to these groups and look, some of it was cutting deals, some of it was working with them, but at the end of the day, most of the health care industry got on board because they believe that it was not only good for their bottom lines but it was actually good for health care. you will be hard pressed to find a group of doctors, hospitals, patient advocacy groups, they're all lining up against this. the aarp is furious about this. that tells you something. that tells you about the effects of these bills. these are not bills to improve health care. these are not bills to improve access to health care. these are bills to get rid of a program that a lot of conservatives don't like because it was president obama's, and this is a bill to give a very large tax break to the wealthiest americans and to corporations who are now paying higher taxes in order to pay for this expansion of insurance that we've had. >> and just on that note, before president trump was inaugurated, the american hospital
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association asked me to go out to a hospital in chicago to see the impact a repeal would have on the bottom line in low income communities and they were terrified about the idea of this hospital in chicago, about this bill being repealed. alex, let me get you in here. are you seeing any signs that this republican revolt is going to spread behind the five no votes we were talking about, the moderates like portman, what's your take. >> i'd be surprised if it does. who knows. if it does, then that means this bill's in serious trouble but let's keep in mind, heller has a tough reelection in 2018. he's the most vulnerable mod rattle rat. we saw him speaking very intensely to mitch mcconnell on the floor, gesticulating, he's upset about this. his career is on the line. the other republican moderates, rob portman, susan collins, they're not in any electoral danger and they're close to mcconnell. if they come out with the same strong terms against this bill,
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then it's truly in trouble. and then as far as the conservatives go, i think they're just trying to win some concessions but in the end, i think they'll support it. there's a lot of pressure from them on the base to repeal obamacare. >> noel, let me go back to you. planned parenthood would lose federal medicaid payments for a year. if you were watching chuck todd talk to susan collins just the other day, she said that planned parenthood was critical for her. how crucial a sticking point is that, do you think, in winning support here. >> well, you know, it may be crucial for her, but you've got to look at this, going back to the beginning, and back to the beginning, obamacare, you know, it didn't work. look at the 2010 midterm elections. people were put -- blanch lankan lost her election because she was one of the deciding health care votes on obamacare. you've got to look at the reason obamacare wasn't in play in the first place. people didn't like it. people felt like they couldn't keep their doctors. people felt like they were lied
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to. even nancy pelosi said, we're not going to know what's in the bill until it's passed and now the same criticism the right is getting that the left has done. and whether or not we're going get this thing passed, it's looking a little dim. but no matter what, i think we're going to end up with a version that's obamacare lite and if we do, maybe the democrats will be a little bit happier about that, and the republicans can at least make peace. >> obamacare lite also, i think, not to use this expression twice in one hour, but strikes fear into the hearts of some of the folks in the house. alex, if the new bill clears the senate and goes back to the house, is the house freedom caucus going to be on board or are the concerns raised by senator cruz and others about lowering the costs doom the bill there. >> well, scott wong, my colleague who covers the house, cited a senior republican source in his report this morning saying that if the senate bill comes back to the house, it's going to be passed intact. i think it's unlikely this goes to a conference.
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yes, the freedom caucus will rumble, they'll make some threats, but in the end, i think they realize that this is the only chance to pass an obamacare repeal and replace legislation this year, so i think they'll be on board, although they'll try to grab some headlines for themselves in the process. >> all right. jonathan cohen, alex bolton, noel nikfror, good to see y'all. we are going to turn from health care to russia right after a short break. president trump appearing to blame his predecessor, president obama, for russian meddling in last year's election. we will be right back. when this bell rings... ...it starts a chain reaction... ...that's heard throughout the connected business world. at&t network security helps protect business, from the largest financial markets to the smallest transactions, by sensing cyber-attacks in near real time and automatically deploying countermeasures. keeping the world of business connected and protected.
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russia's interference in the 2016 election in a tweet while also criticizing, shockingly, the obama white house. knew far in advance of november 8 about election meddling by russia, did nothing about it. why? all caps. as for robert mueller, the president casting some doubt on the special prosecutor's ability to lead a nonbiased investigation. >> he's very, very good friends with comey, which is very bothersome. the people that have been hired are all hillary clinton supporters, some of whom worked for hillary clinton. the whole thing is ridiculous if you want to know the truth, from that standpoint. but robert mueller's an honorable man, and hopefully he'll come up with an honorable solution. >> joining us now from the white house is nbc's kelly o'donnell. kelly, president trump appears to be kind of sort of coming around to the fact that russians meddled in the election, but is he going to actually take any action about it. do we have any sign from the administration about that?
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>> reporter: well, the white house will say that the president has already called for a -- control room, help me out here. has already called for it -- an issue -- i'm sorry, jacob. let me start that again. the president has called for a commission to examine the election, and to look at all the irregularities in voting that they think may have happened. any penetration of voting systems across the country, that kind of thing. however, the president has also been very reluctant to say that russia was to blame so what stands out about the tweet that you just played is the fact that he does not say that it could have been china, could have been north korea, could have been someone else. that's what stands out about that, because what we expected from the president was hedging. so, in that tweet, he makes it sound much more certain. at the same time, what we don't know is how involved the president is, day-to-day, with the russia investigation as far as the meddling, the commuter hacking, the systems breaches of
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elections equipment around the country, things like that. is he directing people to be working on it? that's something we don't have a clear picture of. but in an interview with cia director mike pompeo, he gives us a window into what his agency dealing with, with respect to russia, and he suggests this is something that's been known for quite a long time. his tone is not one that would suggest this is a hot button issue in terms of something new, but something that they have been they have recognized as a threat and will continue to be a threat. here's the cia director. >> the intelligence community has said that this election was meddled with by the russians in a way that is frankly not particularly original. >> so that gives you a sense of what mike pompeo is saying, again, the issue that the russians have long been trying to mess with, to use a much more common phrase, the u.s. democratic process. but again, what's notable about the tweet from the president is
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he did not hedge. he said that the obama administration knew that russians were meddling in the 2016 race. maybe that, as kind of subtle as it is, is moving the president to a new point. so, from this point forward, we can say at least in that instance, he embraced the notion that russians were responsible for the hacking and other interference during the 2016 campaign. jacob. >> you are correct, kelly, there was no inference of a 400-pound hacker on their bed at home in new jersey or wherever the president said before. progress? maybe. i don't know. nbc's kelly o'donnell at the white house. thanks a lot, kelly. still ahead, my inside look at the nation's opioid epidemic, a crisis that is now killing more people annually than car crashes, hiv, or guns ever did and the epicenter of it all is ohio. what i found when i spoke to police, coroners, and addicts themselves all as federal funding for addiction treatment could be gut bid the health care bill. that's coming up later this year. ted by the health
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welcome back. i'm jacob soboroff live from los angeles. here are the headlines. we are watching this hour. in china, the desperate search for life continues after a landslide buried an entire village. at least 141 are still missing, over 40 homes are destroyed. a rescue team of more than 400 first responders is now searching for any signs of life. a small plane crashed into an empty day care building in ft. myers, florida, killing one person and injuring another. the plane went down just after taking off from a nearby airport, and the day care was closed at the time of the crash. house majority whip steve scalise is now out of the intensive care unit after he was wounded in last week's shooting at a baseball field in alexandria. lobbyist matt mika was also released from the hospital on friday. . when we come back, part one
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welcome back. one of the major concerns critics have with the new republican health care bill is its impact on people dealing with drug addiction. while funding to fight the opioid epidemic is projected at almost -- excuse me, $2 billion in the bill, experts say it could leave the almost 3 million people battling addiction out in the cold. today we're taking a deep dive into one of the most serious problems that is facing our nation. overdoses are now the number one killer of people under the age of 50 in the united states. more people die from that than from car crashes or hiv or guns in their peak years. i traveled to the epicenter of
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the crisis in ohio where officials say that they are on track for 10,000 overdose deaths this year. that is higher than the total for the entire nation in 1990. they blame a new drug so powerful you can die by just touching it. >> dayton, ohio, the wright brothers built their first airplanes here and changed america forever. today, the city is again at the center of an innovation, a deadly one sweeping across the country. the deputies said that there was a car accident here and they took one person out of the vehicle who they say had a thousand-yard stare so now he's in the back of the ambulance here. he literally just walked in to cash a check and by the time you came back, your brother had gone and had an accident. what did he look like? >> his eyes were glossy. he could barely open them. >> what did he say to you? nothing? >> he loves me. >> he said i love you? what'd you say to him? >> that i love him too.
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s >> what's it like to go through this? >> hell. hell. every day it is hell. >> over the past two years, fentanyl, a synthetic opioid that can be thousands of times stronger than heroin has been flooding into places like here, montgomery county, ohio, where the overdose death race has been skyrocketing. through just may, overdose deaths in the county almost hit last year's total. and officials estimate this year's final number will double that. >> we're on the pace to have 800 people die this year due to overdose, in our county. per capita, we're number one in the nation on overdose deaths. there are job market's tanked. we lost all of our automotive industry so i think it's driven by loss of a good job. people, i think, they're depressed, they're self-medicating. >> the opioid of abuse was prescription pain pills but in response to media attention, access to pills were restricted and in their place came heroin
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there mexico, cheaper and more powerful and then a couple years ago, traffickers began mixing fentanyl into heroin and fentanyl is by far the most fatal drug of abuse america has ever seen. >> you live around here. you said you have a nickname for this street. >> morgue avenue. it's not morgan, honey. it's morgue. >> which houses have people died in. >> what houses have they not died in. really. >> really. >> really. look at all these places, man. i've lived here for about five years and the last five years, it's unreal. i mean, in 47 minutes, there was already nine deaths. >> in 47 minutes. >> on this street. >> people are dying from what. >> drugs. >> as the death rate skyrockets, the bodies come to the montgomery county coroner who performs tests to detect over two dozen varieties of fentanyl. every vial represents somebody who's died. >> correct. >> so this is what you call the
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cooler. >> this is our cooler, our main cooler. >> when did the bodies that are all around us come in here? >> over the last, probably, 24 to 48 hours. >> and every -- every day, bodies are cycling through here. >> correct. these trays will mostly be full by tonight. >> what's the percentage of the bodies that are in here right now that are overdose deaths from heroin or fentanyl. >> we are averaging 60% to 70% of our cases now are overdoses. >> so 70% of the people that are in this room died, probably, of fentanyl. >> correct. that's correct. >> if you could extrapolate from the numbers that you see here, in montgomery county, how many people across ohio are going to be killed this year. >> for our system, we cover about a fifth of the state of ohio and we're estimating about 2,000 overdoses this year. if that continues -- that's about 10,000 for the state or more. >> how is that not a mass casualty event? that is multiples of 9/11. >> oh, it is a mass casualty event. this is no different than some kind of mass casualty event in any other form. it's just a medical event. >> a medical emergency.
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>> i believe so. it needs to be recognized that way to bring some federal assets to help us. >> montgomery county coroner says doctors in that hospital are exhausted. the coroner wants the federal and state government to declare a medical emergency and send support there to help manage the daily death toll but unless those drugs are taken off the street, that death toll is not going to go down. we're going to show you why and from where these drugs are flowing into dayton, ohio, and introduce you to the cops that are tasked with taking them off the streets.
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coroner calls a mass casualty event is not about pain pills today. it's about a much deadlier drug that local cops are trying to take off the streets. >> this is the epicenter of america's opioid epidemic, montgomery county, ohio. i'm on a raid with the task force dedicated to stopping the trafficking of heroin and fentanyl, which is killing more people than ever before. >> here we go. >> put your hands behind your back. >> they just took him down. they just did a control by and here's the dealer right here. >> you got an i.d. on you? you here buying dope? >> in what local officials say is the overdose capital of america, this is a normal weekday morning for montgomery county sheriff's captain mike brim. >> captain, what just went down here. >> we did a cold call on a guy
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that was selling heroin, caught him in the contact. >> do we know if it was heroin or fentanyl. >> we don't yet. we field test it and most likely it's fentanyl. >> let's take a look at it if we can. >> i'm going to guess this is the dope that he was going sell. >> somebody's calling him right now. >> yeah. it's been blowing up. >> you think that could be another deal trying to go through? >> good chance. >> when you look at the deaths that are happening on the street today, can you trace that back to deals like this. >> yeah. this is the street level dope that's killing people. this is the day-to-day stuff that, you know, people are going to the morgue for. >> while street level dealers may seem like independent operators, they're indirectly part of a global crime ring. china is the primary source of fentanyl in the united states and most is shipped to mexico and smuggled across the border by drug cartels. they picked montgomery county because running through it are interstates 70 and 75. what law enforcement calls the cross roads of america for drug trafficking. all day long on the ground, and in the air, captain brim's team looks to catch small-time
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dealers, make them turn on bigger dealers, and ultimately the cartel that supplies them. after a few more hours on today's hunt, brim's team snagged a mid-level dealer. >> he's picked up this guy. now we're heading to what we think might be his house. what do you expect to find there. >> we're hoping after talking to him that there's several more ounces of fentanyl inside the house. >> several more ounces. >> we're getting a search warrant signed now and then we'll have the entry team load up and go serve the warrant. >> it's over 12 hours after we first showed up at this building for our first briefing. we just had another briefing and are about to go on our third bust. we're all piling in this thing. rapid deployment vehicle. there we go. this looks much more serious than what i've seen earlier today. how come? >> definitely. just the risk is a little more. obviously going into a house we don't know much about. >> do you expect to find more here than we've seen throughout the course of the day. >> we're hoping so. 30 seconds. >> there's the house. >> open the door. open the door!
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>> they just raided the house. they're inside the house right now. >> you see any narcotics yet? >> there is narcotics. yeah. >> do you guys mind explaining to me why we got to put these masks on. >> the short answer is that if you breathe it in, you could die. >> it was a big load, nearly a pound of fentanyl. >> whoa. >> yikes. >> enough for thousands of deadly doses. what's your reaction to seeing this right here? >> it's a good day. good day, getting a lot of fentanyl off the street, basically you're seeing a lot of lives saved right there. >> the sheriff's department and others on the ground are asking for assistance from the federal government, both with funding and boots on the ground. joining me now is doug coleman, special agent in charge of the d.e.a.'s phoenix office and a man who's in charge of some of those boots on the ground. sir, thanks for being here. what we just saw was a street level and mid level dealers get taken down for dealing these
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drugs but as you know, labs in china and cartels in mexico are the ones that are responsible for putting this deadly product into their hands. what are you seeing international hooe and how is that impacting us here in the united states? >> thank you for having me. i appreciate the opportunity. i think the important thing that we have to realize when we're talking about this epidemic is that the problem is ours. the american public wants this product. and so the drug cartels, specifically for us, the sinaloa drug cartel in mexico has identified that need and they're going to pump through heroin, fentanyl, car fentanyl, the strongest drugs they can to make sure they're meeting the need that the american public is demanding. the problem is ours and we need to combat these cartels every day by going after them. >> right and certainly the demand from the american public is enormous and a huge part of this problem but when you look at it internationally, china right now is claiming some success in cracking down on these deadly drugs, just like week, they held a press conference that our colleagues in our beijing bureau attended
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to tout their successes shutting down the export of fentanyl. we're looking at the press conference right now and official in their narcotics control bureau told the publication the globe and mail that the chemical compounds are almost changing too fast to catch it. they said, my feeling is that it's just like a race and i will never catch up with the criminals. so, from your vantage point, can any law enforcement agency catch up with all the players involved and stop what we're looking at right now from happening? >> so you make a great point. the consistent changing of these chemicals and the development of new, stronger synthetic opiates is definitely a challenge for us. i think that the chinese are making some significant efforts to try and slow down the importation of those products into mexico. but remember, the raw materials, the precursor chemicals that the -- allow these substances to be made, they're being shipped to mexico too so mexico is manufacturing a significant amount of this product as well. i think your point about, hey, do we have a chance to stop this, absolutely. all right.
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just last week, in san diego, d.e.a. seized 100 pounds of fentanyl. that's about 20 million potentially lethal doses. >> that's a remarkable. that's 100 times the bust -- sorry to interrupt you. but that's 100 times the size of the bust that i saw on the ground in ohio. >> absolutely and here in arizona, we seized 100 pounds of fentanyl as well. so those are 20 million potentially lethal doses that we've taken outfit streets so d.e.a. is doing our part. we're going to go after these guys and arrest them. i think treatment, i think education. all those things will try to help solve this problem. but there is no panacea, there is no simple solution. this is an incredibly kplicompl problem that's going to require all of us and all americans to battle this consistently to try to knock this down. >> i want to ask you about what's going on down at the border. you're the special agent in charge in the phoenix region. you're obviously in a border state. many have reached out to me in watching these reports saying that president's proposed border wall is going to stop this but i've personally seen in my own reporting down by san diego that
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cartels use these legal entryways just as much if not more than they do illegal ports of entry. is that also what you are seeing? >> yeah. i think that any time that we can do anything that would force the cartels to change the way that they operate a little bit, be it a border wall, be it increased surveillance at a certain area, any time we can make them change their operations just a little bit, that gives us as d.e.a. a chance to exploit that weakness and go after them and hammer them when they do that. but i think that, yeah, they'll use any means and any method they can to get that commodity across the border. >> out there in phoenix, thank you so much for joining us. appreciate it. >> thank you for having me. coming up next, we are going to show you to severity of the crisis and how it has led one local jail to filling an entire wing with only women in withdrawal. that is one very temporary way officials are keeping addicts away from fentanyl. we'll be right back. my daughter is...
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welcome back. we have been telling you about the alarming crisis facing our nation when it comes to addiction and overdoses. a new report out just this week says 1.3 million people had to go to the hospital for problems from o'popioids. montgomery county is what officials are calling the overdose capital of america. jails have become detox centers and some sheriff deputies are not just crime fighters anymore. why are you knocking on people's door afc they overdose? >> we're the heroin capital of the world. >> [ inaudible ] >> to get addicts to seek treatment, montgomery county sheriffs detectives are playing social workers, checking in on people recently saved from overdoses. >> did you overdose?
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>> i didn't, my bomb did. >> reporter: do you use also? >> yes, i use also. >> reporter: when was the last time you used? >> yesterday. >> reporter: yesterday? . how many days would you say you are use something. >> you use every day within are you on heroin. >> reporter: it's not easy to get treatment. they perform a detox in the jail. >> this is a female dorm, a lost inmates are going through detox right now. >> most of the women are going through some kind of withdraw. how long have you been in here? >> just today. >> reporter: what were you use something. >> fent following. >> reporter: phentanol? >> mmh hmm. >> reporter: if you just got in here, are you going through withdraw? >> yes, sir. >> reporter: can you expla fine me how you feel right now? >> like crap. >> reporter: what do you do when you feel this way? >> stick it out. that's usually when i'm in jail. >> reporter: when are you in jail. owes you go use again? >> yep. >> reporter: do you know anybody that's died? >> yes, my boyfriend and my mom just died in january. >> if any of your family or your
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friends catches this on tv, what do you want them to know? >> that i love them. and i'm sorry. >> i wanted to get right into trauma. >> reporter: once addicts like heather are out of jail, they recommend support programs like families of addicts. tawny watkins attends families of addicts. she says she started using opioids in 2008 after the birth of her daughter and has been in and out of treatment and the county jail. >> reporter: so you have been clean for over 100 days? >> yes lot. how'd you do snit. >> i eat, sleep and breathe treatment. i got a house with my girlfriend. i got my job back. >> reporter: when you think of everything you have been through and the reason that you have gone through it, obviously, the drugs, how do you process that?
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>> it's hard because like the person i am now, and the person that i know and when i'm using is like jekyll and hyde, it's two complete different people. it's crazy to know that like one wrong move and i canb right back out there. >> this is your mug shot? >> yes. >> reporter: whoa. in a weird way, when you look at that, does it make you feel good about where you are? >> yeah, like only so grateful i don't look like that anymore. i'm so grateful i got a chance to get back on track. because some people don't get that chance. >> with the health care debate putting federal funds in jeopardy for addiction treatment. those jails will not get less crowded any time soon. phentanol is so powerful with some variants thousands of times stronger than her when, local officials are banking on potential users from being scared off from trying it, only if they can get the word out. that's all for me this saturday, thank for joining us and watching our special
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