well next week the future of health care in america is on the line. majority leader mitch mcconnell planning to try to hold a vote on the new senate health care bill before the july fourth recess, on a thursday it is expected. right now if he were to take the votes, it would fail because of that. five republicans openly saying no. and that is before the congressional budget office even releases its score. possibly as early as monday. now president trump made the case for passage in his weekly address. take a listen. >> millions of families across

our nation are suffering under the disaster known as obamacare. my system will never top fighting for you and for the health care system you deserve. we'll get it done even if we don't have any help from the democrats. we'll get it done. >> president trump ripping the high deductibles but russia consuming some of the president's time. "the washington post" reporting he is obsessed over the russia investigation and struggling to stay calm according to three senior officials. the president calling his legal team first thing in the morning on many days to vent over it. and then the other post report, a blockbuster russia's vladimir putin directly ordering the election hacking. president trump reacted to the report questioning why president obama did not try to stop that. >> i just heard today for the first time that obama knew about russia aa long time before the

election and nobody wants that to talk about that. he should have done something about it. >> let's go to kelly o'donnell live from the white house. and moments ago, we've been watching this, the president again saying more about russia and as well on health care. let's start with russia, though. >> reporter: well, a window for tweeting opened up for president obama. he is back from the trump national golf club in virginia where he spent a couple of hours today and before he and the first lady head out for a social event on their schedule for tonight and so a little tweeting has commenced. the president has talked about the russia situation this way. seizing on that washington post report. since the obama administration was told way before the 2016 election that the russians were meddling, why no action. focus on them, not sure t. i'm not sure if i've heard him refer to himself as "t" before.

and he said obama administration official said they choked. and so digging into some of the inner consideration during the obama end of their time here, when this he awareness of the russian meddling and figuring out what steps to take and the election was going on there were officials that said they didn't want to tip the scales but concerned about retaliation from russia working through those options. they did talk about it publicly. but the article said that there were some who felt they should have done more and the president is quickly grabbing on to that. but he's also talking about health care. which is something we've talked about today. and is a big deadline for this white house and the republican senate where they are going to consider their version of an obamacare and so the president using polite pressure saying i

cannot imagine that these very fine republican senators would allow the american people to suffer a broken obamacare any longer. so that is his way of trying to remind republicans that they all campaigned for multiple cycles of elections to repeal and change the health care law and access to insurance and how it all works without those votes secured yet the president is using twitter to give them a nudge. richard. >> those nudges need to be given. and in most cases folks will not tweet when they have a window of time. they will maybe just rest and this president you are saying tweeted out to let us know what he thought today and you were watching. thank you. kelly o'donnell at the white house. let's bring in our panel. wage winfield cunningham and saw ill rapport. and page, so this health care bill right now, it says it has coverage for everybody. it does not require everybody to

then have health care. so as an individual, you don't have to -- you are not required, unlike the aca, where you must have it. this is a strange dynamic because it puts a lot of pressure on these insurers because they have to have product for everybody. >> right. and it was an interesting omission from the senate bill because the house bill would have repealed the individual mandate but replaced it with the incentive for people to by coverage when they are healthy and not just sick by allowing jurors to jack up rates for people who don't have continuous coverage. the senate bill doesn't have that provision and i'm told it is because it would have run afoul of budget reconciliation rules in the senate and so i've been told by lobbyists and aides that they are still working on some type of continuous coverage provision to add into the senate bill this week. if they don't add it, you are right, i think it is a big problem. and even conservatives who don't like the bill have noted that it doesn't include gutin se-- get

incentive that not just sick but healthy people get coverage so you balance out the risk pool. >> because sahil, that is what was put together for the insurers, saying you know now what your market is going to be, because everybody must buy and so therefore you can comfortably, potentially as a business, provide all of the products that you know they will need but when you pull out of that requirement, you have things that they are selling that nobody may buy. >> it is a richard very important requirement and one of the reasons democrats and president obama agreed to put that individual mandate in, after president obama campaigned against it, was that health care expert believed if you don't have a mechanism to force young and healthy people into the system, you get what is known as a death spiral. older and sicker people sign up and younger and healthier people drop out and the risk pool is just bad and they are to raise prices to keep up with it. the house bill took note of that and had a provision where anyone not insured for 60 days or more

have to pay a penalty and the senator bill doesn't have that and this is a senate hurdle as page said because you have to pass it through the bird rule which has significant restrictions. so this is a policy challenge when deciding how to get there through but senator mcconnell has political and policy problems and people on the right who want more opt out flexibility for states and perhaps individuals, and he has senator cruz who wants insurance companies to have more flexible and dean heller a republican up for re-election in 2018 saying he doesn't like the medicaid components and he doesn't like that the fact that it would uninsure people and it wouldn't lower costs and i think he has the biggest fight of his career to pass this in the senate. >> part of the schematics, the states will take care of what they need to do. when we look at aca, that was also the idea that states would then create their own exchange,

the mini exchanges. they weren't easy to create. there are only 11 states that said we can do this. are states ready to take on the requirement to create their own customized systems? >> well, this law could present a lot of challenges. one of the appeals to conservatives in this bill is that it would expand the use of the 1332 waivers already in obamacare and would this would do is give states more flexibility in how to handle market places and allow them to opt out of the essential health benefits. >> but are they ready for this? this is going to require some administration. >> right. no, that is a big out tanding question and i think you saw that states weren't largely prepared to run their own market places, as a majority of them decided to use healthcare.gov instead of setting up their own website. so the policy-wise, this might appeal to conservatives but practically speaking, you are right, and i agree, that it is

doubtful as to whether states would jump on board with this quickly. >> and you are seeing energy on the state side. look at california, you look at nevada just on friday, the headlines coming out of those two states is that they are move to offer more coverage coming through and saying they didn't make it through, but there is certainly legislative and policy action happening. >> that is right. i think it is interesting, richard, the fact that the states that are probably the most democratic leaning and that are most supportive of obamacare and want it to work are passing laws and making changes to the exchanges that they have decided to administer to try to make it work. >> good point. >> whereas in other states with other republican governors it is not working as well. wisconsin, more are pulling out and iowa it is a big problem over there. so there is that interesting disparity where the states don't want it to work as well, it is not working as well. this law does have serious problems and one of the things that republicans do to shore it up over the next year or two is the stabilization fund, some

tens of billion dollars to prevent premiums from rising but that is when 2019 and 2020 is when the phase down of the subsidies and the medicaid expansion begin so the idea is to keep it going and prevent it from getting bad and then to phase out most of the components of it. >> and depending who is in control of the house, whether they decide to fund it, right and that is -- >> exactly. conservatives wonder if that is going to happen. >> that is what you were intimating. thank you page and sahil as well. >> thank you. >> up next, i talk to republican senator about the bill and reaction across the republican party. my business was built with passion... but i keep it growing by making every dollar count. that's why i have the spark cash card from capital one. with it, i earn unlimited 2% cash back on all of my purchasing. and that unlimited 2% cash back from spark means thousands of dollars each year going back into my business... which adds fuel to my bottom line.

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uber's embattled ceo travis kalanick has resigned following a series of scandals and setbacks that uber has faced in the last six months including sexual harassment in the office

and consumers boycotting uber and a huge blowout all caught on camera. savannah sellers joins us now and when did this start. >> it started a while back. we took a look at what happened this year in 2017. the trickle of unfortunate events for this company. so at the beginning of the year in january, that delete uber campaign lit up social media using this #delete uber and celebrities like lena dunnham getting involved and posted pictures of themself diluting the app when uber seemed to have a misstep when there was a taxi strike at a new york airport and sexual harassment allegations. after that, kalanick was caught on dash cam footage in the back of an uber arguing with a driver and he called himself disrespectful. take a listen. >> you know what. >> what? >> some people don't like to take responsibility for their -- >> [ bleep ]. >> and they blame everybody

else. >> but why do you -- >> good luck. >> he sent an e-mail to all employees calling it a profound apology and saying that he knew that he needed leadership help and he intended to get it. then between that time and the resignation, sexual harassment allegations continues and a w k prior to his resignation he took a leave of absence but amid a shareholder revolt with many he inve investors asking him to step down, he did resign. and i spauk to diedra about what names are being thrown around for the top spot. >> one really exciting name that people were talking about and have been talking about over the last few days is facebook's cheryl sandberg. we've heard from sources that she's interested in staying at facebook and not jumping over to a company like uber but other names that have been thrown around is ex ford ceo mark

fields who recently left ford and the thought is thatco bring his experience at a major automatic to the ride-sharing start-up. >> so big names being thrown around and it seems like an appealing role. another thing to note is a lot of the suite level executives have left since the turmoil so you get the opportunity to create that but it could also be difficult because kalanick is expected to remain extremely involved. he is still on the board. and another thing to note, employees are circulating a petition to reinstate him as ceo. so who knows who will take that top spot and what will t will be like. >> well they have two independent directors that are women that might also be part of the discussion moving forward. great stuff. msnbc savannah sellers, thank you. and coming up, a presidential tweet storm and we'll tell you what donald trump is saying this hour.

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moments ago saying the obama administration choked when it comes to meddling. "the washington post" breathed new life into that very topic and the story with a report on friday suggesting president obama could have done more to stop russian meddling in last year's election. now the story said he found out about it in early august during a special briefing by the director of central intelligence but it wasn't until a month later that president obama confronted russia's vladimir putin and the post said some white house officials event john kerry urged dramatic action by the president. now earlier, president trump criticized president obama's actions during an appearance on fox news. take a listen to that. >> i just heard today for the first time that obama knew about russia a long time before the election. and he did nothing about it. but nobody wants to talk about that. if he had the information, why didn't he do something about it. he should have dop something about it. >> sahil rapport joins us and doug burns, former federal

prosecutor here as well. doug, talk about the developments. we have president trump it appears through these expressions, these tweets, right, that he is believing now that russia did meddle in our election. before that, he was not -- i think as late as thursday, not outwardly expressing that he believed such a thing happened. what do you make of the transition and the way that transition happened. >> well it is an ironic mix of concepts because he was scorched earth, it is a bogus issue, it is a witch hunt, it never happened and then when it urn its out that the prior president barack obama may have known that there was some russian meddling, he kind of flips it completely on its head and now it is deemed that there is admission of collusion, i agree with you. it is a roller coaster. >> will the four congressional investigations by mueller make anything of it. >> look, they are going to look -- it is interesting and everybody is weighing in with opinions. it is obstruction, it is not

obstruction. it is collusion, it is not collusion. the legal destruction and the political discussion are two different things. lawyers say that all of the time. ruler has to subpoena documents and go through them carefully and look at the statutes carefully and come up with a conclusion. politically, you'll continue to see the same roller coaster of tweets and comments and spins and oaccusations but it is how o see how it will end up but there are issues to be investigated by the conduct of various people. >> sahil, what are your sources telling you about this transation potentially coming from president trump moving from not belief to belief in what appears to be a very nonchalant movement in previous spaces we might see a very deliberate, this is why i believe things have happened, is it just "the washington post" report? >> well, richard, i think part

is the fact that the president really hates it entire topic. he hates the fact that anybody is discussing it. he views this investigation and every discussion as an attack on his perceived legitimacy and my sources and other reporter's sources seem to say he doesn't like the fact that in his view he's not getting enough credit for an unlikely election victory and so that the obama administration knew what was happening and didn't say it gives him an opportunity to say let's talk about them and not talk about me. i think hi tweet hinted at that specifically on that. so i think this is where i think investigators will look and wonder is he now admitting this and is there no doubt in his mind but the article brought up an interesting trugle that the obama administration and the president went through in terms of trying to the keep the politics out of it and keeping the perception that he was trying to tip the election out of it and he ended up doing

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believe me, i know how hard this process is from personal experience. from what i understand, they built tracks in many ways along the lines of house bill.

i think that is very good. i'm not going to opine on their process. i want them to pass the bill so we could keep our promise. >> paul ryan there and the bill in jeopardy. minutes ago the president tweeting, i cannot imagine that these very fine republican senators would allow the american people to suffer a broken obamacare any longer. senate leader mitch mcconnell is scrambling to win back some of the five republicans in his chamber planning to vote no on it. if he gets the votes, the senate bill would have to be reconciled with the house version and let's bring in house republican scott taylor of virginia and good to speak it you again. >> you as well. good afternoon. >> so what would you say to the five senators. you folks don't like to do that to each other but would you say to them, the five that are not behind what you -- what you support at this moment? >> well obviously every member and senator has their own -- the things they have to deal with to get there. but this is the legislative process and i wouldn't put so much attention and stock on just

these five senators. and where they are at this moment. obviously it just got unveiled this week and this is the legislative process. so it might take a little bit of movement to get them where they need to be to vote for it and get it pass the senate and get it into conference so we could hash this out. there are some things i have some issues with but we need the vessels to come together and negotiate. >> and potentially for reconciliation, if it does stay the way it is, and it won't, there will be some tweaks before that would happen, what would you suggest that is, if you will, fixed in reconciliation in that process? >> well, myself and my office were still going through the bill. we just came through a couple of days ago. but one of the things that interests me that make sure we get it right is having parody for states that commanded as well with the ones that did not expand medicaid for example in virginia we've been good stewards for of the medicaid program for a while and we decided not to expand because the budget started out at 5% and

went past 22% and an unsustainable trajectory and not expanding medicaid so there has to be parody, but we'll see what they come with. and as we just talked about, i think the five guys or most of them will get on board. >> now much of the idea here from both the ahca and the bcra, the senator version, let's give to the states and make it good for them. right size. are tates ready for that? because even with aca, only 11 states said okay, we're going to do it and try to figure it out on our own. a majority said we're going to lean on aca anyway, the forwa - federal exchange. >> yes, they want to use the 50 places of innovation and the states that know the population

best and health care is locally consumed ant not one that washington knows best and the other side believes it should be more washington central. so you have a debate of the ideas here. but i would encourage the other side to come to the table because this is good for the american people and i think the best product will be a bipartisan one and you're not seeing that now but hopefully that will change. >> there is something like one out of three that think the aca need tods be removed -- or this debate needs to go forward. only one in three. does that at all part of the consideration that you are making, just leave it. in other words is this an old fight based on the recent numbers that came out from nbc news and the "wall street journal." >> i don't know who they are polling. you come to my district and talk to people over here, absolutely. because their premiums are skyrocketing up, they have less care and the deductible is super high. i don't know where the one in three number comes from. it is the opposite in my district. you have families making tough

choices have to spend a mortgage payment on health care when they went from 400 to $1,500 -- this is huge and hurting working families so i don't know where the numbers come from but they are not in my district. >> so they are not in virginia in your district. and finally you've heard across the aisle and it is an energetic conversation and are saying representative cicillini said this will cause thousands to die if this goes through and what do you say to those pieces of criticism of the bcra. >> well, listen, there is no question that people are energized and emotions on both sides and the rhetoric quite frankly gets out of hand sometimes. and we had the same debate, the same talking points and when -- with the medicaid expansion debate in our own state of virginia but that has not come to pass. all of that rhetoric has not come to pass and it is not happening here. i think their overstretching it and quite frankly they are

failing to deal with what they've already admitted that obamacare has big problems, we just believe this they are structurally fundamental problems that you can't just simply fix it but you have to change it. but at the same time, you've had democrats when they are up for re-election, yeah, we have to make tweaks to obamacare but they haven't done that and they didn't do it and families are out there hurting right now and it be negligence for us to not lead and we're doing so. >> 23 million would lose coverage in the ahca. you didn't get that number before you voted for it. would you still vote for it knowing that number. >> well, listen, i don't have any issue with the cbo or some bone to pick with them. but when i look at what they did and i'm looking at data, they didn't take into the totality of the data and of course the way that they come to that thing is as if obamacare was still there and as you know and we know, 19 million people opted not to get into obamacare. so they don't even count them toward the aca. so cbo, whatever, that is fine but they did not have the totality of the data.

>> you would still vote yes, then? >> i'm a yes right now. as i told you, i think leaders must act and we must take action to help families that are out there and yes, i want to lead. >> representative, thank you so much, sir. great place, virginia beach, virginia, thank you. >> absolutely. thank you. always a pleasure. democrats are not taking recent republican defections on the senate health care bill for granted. today maryland senator chris van hollen held a town hall for the reasons behind the bill. and von miller joins us now from maryland. >> reporter: hey, richard, we are north of where the congress is. we're up in bowie, maryland and on the flip side of this, we've been to republican town halls and you've heard the angry constituents show up but this was a democratic town hall and more than 300 people out here in the suburbs outside of baltimore showed up here to express concern because to the congressman's point you just heard from, there are plenty of

democrats, self-described democrats here that were still frustrated with the cost of the premium and high deductibles but at the same time it comes down to the fact that they want the affordable care act protected and one of the individuals before i got into this event here was actually walking around in the parking lot and ran into the executive minister here of the church andre christian and i want to play a sound bite when he described what his health care situation was and he just got a job here last month and how that changed for him. >> we wouldn't be able to afford health care. many are people in situations like myself who found yourself unemployed for a period of time and then you still need health care. and with the current plans that are in place, manufacture us would not have health care and we would succumb to health challenges. >> reporter: the minister, he was out without health insurance while unemployed until he was able to qualify in april for medicaid and now that he has this job at the church which the employer does not offer health care, he was able to buy on the

exchange using subsidies so his concern is not only for different people in the congregation but for himself. the other -- not along with chris van hollen here, were several faith-based leaders, community hospital leaders as long as with the democratic house majority whip steny hoyer and the democrats here are pretty well controlling the state of maryland. it is one of 31 states that has expanded medicaid coverage in the state and have both senators are democrats and i want to play you a sound bite from steny hoyer, what his message was to voters here. >> if you want to read also john kasich's and governor sandoval, both republicans, one from ohio, one from nevada, have both said their states will be hurt. their people will be hurt. you and i will be hurt. now is the time to act. now it the time to call. now is the time to show up. talk to anybody in the united states senate. you would think that may vote

for this bill. >> reporter: hoyer and van hollen from the stage behind me, the message to the constituents was to call into other state and call into maine where susan collins is at, call into nevada where moderate republican dean heller is ott at -- at, and they said they need three republicans to take care of this bill for the end of the week but they said call in, call people that you know that live in those states and call up the members and deliver the message that bill needs to be killed. and in talking with these constituents and not only are they concerned about the senate bill but there is still the process of the reconciliation when itm coulds -- it come totz house and the senate appeasing what the white house is looking for. so it is a long journey ahead and they are here through the summer to fight it. >> vaughn, great stuff, sir. vaughn hilliard there. appreciate it. joining me now is john fun, columnist at the national review. so you've heard a lot of

conversation and sitting on set here for last 15 minutes about this and covering this health care for the last seven years. and you've read through the 140 pages more or less of the -- >> i skimmed it. >> knowing you, you are being humble about that. how do you describe this to family members in a nutshell, what you are seeing in this senate republican health care bill? >> oath sides are overselling what they are telling people. this does not repeal obamacare. the heart of obamacare is still there. pre-existing conditions, et cetera. it doesn't savage the subsidy programs. in fact this is basically an insurance bailout. the insurance companies have been dropping out of the program because the mix of healthy and sick people who go into the exchanges isn't what they want. so they're going to have to be bailed out. this program basically tidies up what is a mess right now with obamacare and the real story is what it does to medicaid in the future. medicaid is our fastest growing

entitlement and exploding in cost and it is frankly very inefficient, we need to give the states more room to innovate. if we are going to help sick people. so this is a really big catastrophic debate, but the actual bill, i think they are tinkering around the edges on a lot of it. >> and john, penal are saying -- people r that are critical of this, is what is being removed is the financial death spiral and those unwell will stay in and those who are well will not and therefore you have a revenue problem. >> there is a lot of money for risk pools. risk pools are around for a long time. there is encouragement for states to have risk pools and there is question whether or not there is enough money in them. but for the person out there on the television audience, remember 80% of people get their insurance through their employer, they are not affected that much by this but there is one reform in this bill, a big expansion of medical savings accounts that a family could save tax-free up to $13,500 for

future medical expenses and roll it over. do you want people just get insurance through the exchange oren courage some innovation and see if they save for their own medical care in the future, whether or not they could get a better deal outside of the exchange. remember, you could buy insurance not on the exchange. >> right. and that innovation, the word innovation is great if they have the right mix. the issue about large employers will no longer be required to have affordable health care for employees. it is not necessarily going to stay the same. >> we have seen an erosion in health care plans offered by employers for 30 years. the gold plated plan i had when i started working is now a nickel plan, or a brown plan. and that is inevitable and that is sad. i think we'll have to recognize that health care needs or demands are infinite and the money that the government has is not infinite and so we need a balancing act and there is a debate as to where that level

should be but we could not expand obamacare for the same reason that we cannot take back the substance of obamacare because people simply demand that if they have a pre-existing condition, they still should be able to get health insurance. so we're going to have find some kind of balancing test there. >> you heard the representative from virginia saying that, right. >> here is the sad part. >> i need help. >> in 2009 this passed without a single republican vote. now we're having this opportunity to change or destroy, depending on how your point of view it and there is not a single democrat willing to vote for it. and the real sad thing is health care is too important to allow it to become a completely partisan issue and i blame both parties for that. it is sad that we are dealing with something that is one sixth of the economy and neither one person is willing to cross the aisle and risk the party primary. >> politics versus getting stuff down, right and that is a question ant the criticism on both sides. >> they are scared of people who vote in the primaries that are mar ideological than the --

>> but 23 million. >> look, here is the thing. the exchanges. i had a period of time where i bought on the exchange. the plans were not very good. the deductible were higher than anything i would be able to use on health care. i think what we have to recognize is we have to broaden the definition of insurance and recognize that for some people insurance that is less than what is on obamacare is till better than nothing. and we have to provide more choices for people, obamacare limited the number of choices. if i am a man, i don't think i should have to pay for appreciatipregnancy services. if i'm a woman i shouldn't have to pay for medical proceed oars that men have. we have to have some regulation that is rationalize sod people buy what they want. more of a cafeteria plan than a one side fits all plan. >> and you have states like nevada and california and said all of you to be on the sail level. >> that is fine. they could pay for it. and in california and new york

and states like that are going to have all kinds of regulation and they're going to have great health insurance and you know what they are probably going to go bankrupt in the end. >> i don't want to go down that road. but you have the states not ready to take it on their own so where are they going to turn. a great conversation. because california, they could handle it because they have the administration. all of the other states, the other 39 don't. >> just remember, this week california abandoned the single player health care plan because they realized it was going to bankrupt the state because their medicaid costs are rising so much. i'm from california. >> i am too. >> i used to work in the state legislature there. >> i'm sorry to hear about that. >> i believe me -- i escaped to journalism. >> like that is better, right. >> believe me, eventually you run out of other people's money. you can't have everything you want in life. that is what we're learning with health care. >> we have to leave it there. up next, what could be a landmark case as the supreme court will decide the future of gerrymandering which would

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the u.s. supreme court has agreed to hear a case that would have a big impact on future elections ant the outcomes. court will decide if it is okay for a party to radically redraw political district to minimize another party's power, what is nope as gerrymandering. this year a federal court struck down a wisconsin legislative map ruling that during the redistricting process the republican majority created districts so blatantly partisan that democrat those longer had a fair shot of winning in many places across the state. the plaintiffs in this case point out that in 2012 republicans won almost two-thirds of the seats in the wisconsin assembly. while receiving less than half of the total vote.

a new precedent set in this case could also affect the balance of powner washington, d.c. according to a report from nyu center for justice, partisan bias resulting from the worst gerrymandering abuses in a few battleground states provided republicans a durable advantage of 16 to 17 seats in the house of representatives. just 25 seats would have to switch hands for democrats to take control of the house in 2018. the same report, by the way, said the congressional maps in michigan, north carolina, and pennsylvania have the most extreme levels of partisan bias, all of them at the moment in favor of republicans. joining me now is eric mcgee from the public policy institute of california. did we get all of that right, eric? >> i think that is largely right. i think that you could dispute some of the specifics of exactly how many seats we're talking about for congress for instance. but i think by enlarge, there is

going to be some impact if the court decides to wade into this field. my own feeling is that it is likely to be a little larger in certain key tate legislative situations, but there are definitely -- could be some impact in congress as well. >> what do you believe the court will be considering specifically? we kind of laid out some of the issues that we thought as the court entertains this, what do you think will be important to them? >> the court has had -- so about 30 years ago in a case called davis v. vandmer, there was jerry majury mandering, but they didn't know, but in this case, and there has been a number of cases in the meantime, and what the court has struggled with, is this idea that in principle, they would be willing to strike down a

gerrymander, but whthey don't kw when there is a gerrymander. before the court right now, what this is all about is have we found a situation in wisconsin, and the wisconsin state legislature, where they have crossed so much threshold, and the court has to decide what that is, and whether wisconsin has crossed it. >> there is something you know well, and we laid out some of those numbers. how do you know measure how much partisanship affects jerry ma gerrymandering. >> there is a gap, and in any single-member system, like here in the united states, where a single person is elected for a district, they don't contribute to a victory. this could be votes in access to require the win. this could be votes cast for a loser, right? they are not helping to win. in a gerrymander, what you are trying to do is make sure your

opponent is has more wasted votes than you do, and they are winning their seats less efficiently, and this idea and the eefficiency gap is the party that has an advantage will have more seats for aics iffed vote share. >> right. >> that's the measure i propose. >> if we were to remove the efficiency gap if you will, or put it in, and in certain cases, where would we be in the house today? >> well, that's -- it's actually a more complicated question than that because there are some issues of -- of intent. did, you know, and when the court gets involved, they have shown an interest in knowing whether such a particular plan occurred for reasons other than naked partisan advantage. it's not clear in all of these cases whether the underlying political jgeography state it could be overruled. >> but measuring the errors that

might result from that very ability, would we have a republican-led house? would they have a greater majority, or would it be a democratic-led house? >> i think -- so the majority would probably be smaller, and there is certainly debate about how much smaller that would be. >> okay. >> my guess is it would not flip the house. it probably would not even come close to flipping the house, but it would make it easier for democrats under the right conditions to take control. >> thank you, sir. coming up, the economic impact, and what it means for average people as the stock market portfolios increase and december crease on value. we're on to you, diabetes. time's up, insufficient prenatal care. and administrative paperwork... your days of drowning people are numbered. same goes for you, budget overruns.

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republican health care reform, if it becomes law will have a significant i wampact on

taxes. campaign gain taxes, will be a huge change in production taxs. it was said that the health care act should be renamed the mean health care act of 2017. he joins us now. there's a bcra, what's your headline out of that? on taxes, right? >> if you do the math, you are exchanging a nearly $1 trillion cut in medicaid for those investors for couple who is make $250,000 or more. the math squares along the same lines. a tax cut for the wealthy at the expense of those who would have otherwise had medicaid coverage. >> which is the reason these people can't afford health care. >> i wouldn't label this a health care bill. it's a predicate for future tax reform because there are savings that come from this particular

piece of legislation, which can be levered into tax reform down the road if the congress were successful in passing either the senate or the reconciled house bill as well. >> so you believe leader mcconnell and his team was looking more about tax plans more than health care bills? >> there is nothing in this bill that deals with the immediate and longer term questions surrounding health care. this does not lower premiums. it does not lower deductibles or insure coverage. it deals nothing with drug prices or limits. it does not allow medicare or medicaid to negotiate drug rime prices. walmart can do that. medicare cannot by statute. it doesn't deal with health care directly. >> how will it help those insurers that may be leaving or will leave aca? >> they get the benefit of adverse selection where they can pick their customers and localities and insure the

profitability, and don't have to be in this localities around the country where either there are higher risk pools or lower prov profits, one of the two, and health care stocks have been one of the best performers stins bill first came out, or before it came out on thursday morning. biotech, health care. >> that might be a tip. >> that's a tip. the stock tells you who benefits the most. >> 30 seconds here. what will happen oto the states? not many got into the aca exchanges and now it's up to you. >> we're back to the incubator of romney or massachusetts, where each state gets to experiment with programs that may or may not work. hopefully states can, in fact, utilize technology and other innovations to increase coverage and reduce cost. that remains to be seen. >> thank you so much. health care in three minutes. that's always amazing what you can do. that wraps it up for me. stay with us for updates and

breaking news as it happens. you can find me on twitter and instagram, and facebook. joy reid is next. stick around for that. have a great night. [ chanting ] this was the scene outside senate majority leader mitch mcconnell's office on thursday after he revealed the new republicans health bill. one a small handful of senate men concocted in secret. they are calling it a repeal bill, but what it does