"hardbalan "hardball" starts rit now. trump changes his story again. let's play "hardball." good evening, i'm chris matthews back in washington. donald trump has changed his story when it comes to the russian investigation again. after dismissing the intelligence calling it a democratic hoax and a witch hunt the president is now knocking his predecessor, barack obama, catch this, for not doing enough to respond to the russian intervention. >> i just heard today for the first time that obama knew about russia a long time before the election and he did nothing about it. but nobody wants to talk about that. the cia gave him information on russia a long time before they even -- you know, before the

election and i hardly see it. it's an amazing thing to me. you know, in other words, the question is, if he had the information, why didn't he do something about it? he should have done something about it. but you don't read that. it's quite sad. >> well, that's trump on fox. president trump seems to be referring to a washington post article this weekend that said the obama white house took a cautious approach to russia meddling prior to the election. president trump tweeted this morning the reason that president trump did nothing about russia after being notified by the cia of meddling is he expected clinton would win and did not want to rock the boat. he didn't choke, he colluded or obstructed and it did the dems and crooked hillary no good. trump added, the real story is that president obama did nothing after being informed in august about russia meddling. with four months of looking at russia under a magnifying glass they have kept tapes of it, tapes of t people colluding. there is no collusion and no obstruction. i should be given apology.

this is trump's world. his rhetoric has been very different. during the campaign he repeatedly quoted to the wikileak information and he praised the leaks. >> this just came out, wikileaks. i love wikileaks. >> we love wikileaks. boy, wikileaks. they have revealed a lot. >> boy, i love reading those wikileaks. >> anyway, after being elected president trump dismissed the seriousness of the hack. let's watch him there. >> i think the computers have complicated lives very greatly. the whole, you know, age of computer has made it where nobody knows exactly what's going on. i just want them to be sure because it's pretty serious, george, and i want them to be sure. and if you look at the weapons of mass destruction, that was a disaster and they were wrong. and so i want them to be sure. i think it's unfair if they don't know. >> sean spicer was asked about the collusion charge in an off

camera briefing today where trump accused obama of collusion with the russians. >> is there an element of hip pock krissie here, sean, russia, if you're listening, i hope you're able to find the 30,000 e-mails that are missing. i think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press. how can you accuse president obama of obstructing when he was egging russia on at the time. >> he was joking. >> what? former trump campaign adviser, kato kaelin as far as i can see it, he's been interviewed at length by the fbi. i think he likes this stuff. the washington post was first to report the news over a series of five meetings in march, totaling about ten hours of questioning, page repeatedly denied any wrongdoing. "usa today's" contributor and political analyst and msnbc's

national security a nal lis cyst, nance. i've been away for a few days. i need to get my head back into this. trump is now saying, heidi, now saying that there was, in fact, russian intervention and obama let it go. in other words, after weeks and weeks saying there is no russian intervention. oh, yeah, there was russian intervention in our election and it is obama's fault. how do you do a 180? >> perhaps if people aren't paying attention, let's think this through. first he says there's no collusion for months and months. now he says there was collusion and it was obama who was colluding in order to get him elected? so that he could undo obama's legacy? it's nonsense sickal. chris, there hasn't been due attention as well to a fact that this is a day for that 400 pound person who's been -- >> it was now somehow -- >> you're laughing there, malcolm. i heard you through the intercom.

the absurdity of this. there shouldn't be an investigation because there was no intervention. i guess obama should be investigated. i swear trump can say anything any moment and it's irtd to the very next moment. a few seconds later. a nano second later what he says later doesn't matter. his comments don't make any coherence. they never make any coherence since he's been president. by the way, we're going to get to the part in "the new york times" which authenticates for the first 40 days of his presidency, he told a lie every single day at like noah's flood of lies the first 40 days. then he pretty much made every day after that, too. what a record. let's talk about this. is trump now saying that there was russian intervention in our campaign? and that somebody has to explain their role in that? isn't he now basically 90% of the way towards where the investigators are headed, something bad was done by the russians, we have to find out who helped them? he's where the investigators now all of a sudden seems to me.

>> sure. i think he's going to try to steer the conversation in that direction. we've seen certainly on other channels over the last 72 hours a completely different story, that collusion is legal. we've actually heard people say that and argue this. i think donald trump, and i know people who know donald trump personally and very well, cannot think past ten seconds. he can't get past whatever is before his face at that moment. he talks as if there's no such thing as television or video recordings. let's go over some things that we know are an absolute fact. he was briefed about this in his top secret security briefings before the election last year. he was briefed about this after he won the election. he was briefed about this in january when president obama's national security team brought together the evidence and the fbi and cia told him what black mailable information they had on him. he has called this a hoax from the very beginning.

to suddenly do a 180, this is certainly solely for his political audience and he doesn't care what the rest of the world thinks, whether it appears that he's once again telling a fantastical lie. >> 5d a.adam, let's start with piece for the weekend. sensible mission by obama. go for it. >> right. just to make clear. i'm not sure that trump was actually briefed before the election on the details of what was being collected because the fbi was not briefing president obama on what they were doing as far as this investigation of possible coordination between trump and the campaign. he definitely was briefed on this in january when that report came out. >> what do you make of the charge the last several hours by trump that obama let it go? >> the argument could be made that obama could have done more. >> you said he wasn't briefed on it. >> he wasn't briefed on the possibility of collusion, but he was briefed on the russian intervention and the role of putin in that intervention. the issue is why didn't he?

why didn't he do more before the election? the answer was, number one, he was worried if he did, putin would do something even worse, try to tamper on election day with voting machines, for example, and number two, that trump would politicize it. which clearly trump might have politicized it. >> by saying the russians were trying to help trump, by the very act of challenging that it may look like obama was jumping in unfairly? >> correct. that way it would have looked potentially like obama was trying to help hillary win the election. he wanted to avoid that. they decided to back load the sanctions that would come in december after the election. that way you avoided the risk of looking like you were polite sizing this. >> to try to keep coherence here. if trump has any claim to knocking obama for not moving quickly on what he had dpis covered about russian intervention or interference in our campaign, what has he done since january 20th? >> i'm not aware of anything. >> that's the weirdness. hypocrisy says human morality,

how does he knock obama for sins and omission when he's done zero to sanction the russians for what they've done in the campaign? >> i would argue he's actually done negative in that he has sent a message. >> been nice to them. >> in firing comey. he's meeting with putin next week. it's been six months. you're right, nothing has been done. there is a sanctions bill that moved and bipartisan bill in the senate. it's caught up in the house. white house officials are trying to water it down. as he prepares to meet with putin we've actually done negative. >> recent testimony by former fbi director james comey and attorney general jeff sessions paint a picture of a trump administration's less than focused on responding to the threat from russia. in fact, there seemed to be little interest in russia's election meddling by this new administration since january 20th. watch this. >> did the president in any of those interactions that you've shared with us today ask you what you should be doing or what

our government should be doing or the intelligence community to protect america against russian interference in our election system? >> i don't recall a conversation like that. >> never? >> no. >> i know nothing but what i've read in the paper. i've never received any detail briefing on how a hacking occurred or how information was alleged to have influenced the campaign. >> you received no breeflg on the russian active measures in connection with the 2016 election? >> no. i don't believe i ever did. >> sometimes sessions reminds me of sargeant schultz in "hogan's heroes." i know nothing. the trump administration has taken little meaningful action to prevent russian hacking, leaking or disruption in the next presidential election or congressional election in 2018 despite warnings from intelligence officials that it will happen again. back to you, adam. and i mean back to you, malcolm in my questions. you're the expert on this.

in the community you're in, is there any sign that this administration is moving aggressively to make sure we don't have anymore of this hell hitting us next year? >> no. it appears that the only agency that is going forward with any initiative is dhs, department of homeland security. the cia, nsa, other intelligence agencies are maintaining their standard, you know, high level of cyber security awareness, but it's not them who have to -- you have to worry about. it's the republican party who really needs to worry about this. because this could easily be a double edged sword. they could come back and stab donald trump in the back using the exact same cyber warfare systems. and to put their heads in the sand when the nation was attacked and let me tell you one other thing, chris, you cannot fault president obama for not starting an act of cyber war between the united states and russia. he used the measures which were come men sure rate with the office. he called putin on the red phone. we did not start shutting down

each other's national infrastructu infrastructure. president trump has to understand it is imperative that he take action. if he doesn't, that tells us quite a bit about his views with russia. >> adam, this charge of high school harry number, trump now accuses obama of collusion. what? he helped trump win. what kind of collusion would obama be involved with here? he threw that word at him like show's you're all men. what does it mean when a president says collusion by your predecessor. >> he accused president obama by having him surveilled. >> wire tapped. >> wire tapped. >> which was metaphorical for what b.s. >> there were suggestions of tapes. >> the latest thing he says is there's no tapes so i'm innocent. he was the one talking about tapes. he was the one who claimed he had tapes and then turned out he didn't have the tapes which we all pretty well knew and then he says, but they don't have any tapes against me. he uses language in a demonic way to confuse the unsubtle mind

what he's up to. who's got tapes, who doesn't have tapes. how do you follow trump mentally? it's impossible. >> it is -- it is a challenge to try to figure out what he means. >> i want to ask you about it. what collusion could obama have been capable of? >> i have no idea. >> he was for hillary. trump won, he wasn't for trump. what tapes is he talking about? >> i'm not sure. >> see, i mean, this is a crumb trail that -- >> i do think we need to talk -- have a discussion about collusion though because there was a lot of contacts going on throughout the course of the height of the hacking campaign and so we as reporters -- >> with hospitwhom? >> by trump officials. >> we know. >> right. but we need to set a bar and understand as reporters as well what would constitute collusion because that's not something that's been -- >> a meeting at the may flower, at the rnc, in trump tower. you know, all kinds of places. in the oval office. all kinds of meetings. thank you adam, heidi, malcolm

for bringing your fire and knowledge to this show. >> thank you. >> you know what i'm talking about. the republican health care plan in the senate would increase the number of americans without health care altogether. the magic number tonight, 22. the house number was 23 million. they're slightly improving it, i guess, because by 2026 only -- i'm being sarcastic, only 22 million less people will be covered with health insurance under the republican plan being pushed through the united states senate. according to the congressional budget office. that's not much better than the senate. he called it mean. high school language. now tonight another republican, susan collins of maine says she'll definitely vote no. she tweeted her no. house speaker paul ryan is going to come here. interesting guy. interesting guy. a real working guy. watch. >> i think it's time, let's trade places. paul ryan, you can come work the iron and i'll go to d.c. we can do so much better together as a community, and our

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refugee suspension to become largely effective. as president i cannot allow people into our country who want to do us harm. i want people who can love the united states and all of its citizens and who will be hard working and productive. i'm talking to nbc news justice correspondent pete williams. do the analysis. what's good for trump? what's bad for trump? >> reporter: what's good for trump is he gets one thing he really wanted which is for the supreme court to review those two lower court restrictions that said the president couldn't enforce them. the court agreed they'll hear that case in the fall. that's one thing he wanted. it gave him part of the second thing he wanted, which is authority to go ahead and begin enforcing the executive order now while the court waits to hear the case over the summer months. there's some disagreement here,

chris, though on how much of a concession that is to the president. as you mentioned, anyone who wants to come to the u.s. to try to get a visa who has a connection here, a family member is going to school here, wants to teach here, comes here to accept a job, the travel restriction cannot apply to them. the ban remains in place on enforcement. they can still get a visa and come in. refugees who have a relative in the u.s. or have a connection to an entity the court said in the u.s. which presumably means the churches and the refugee groups that sponsor them. if they have an existing relationship with them now, they, too, can come in. so how much of this will actually end up being enforced? how much of it will remain on hold, that's something that will take another couple of days to work out but it's certainly a victory for the president that after the string of defeats he finally gets some relief. >> thank you so much. pete williams. great reporting. up next, the republican health

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it's hard for me to see the bill passing this week. >> we don't have enough information. i don't have the feedback from constituencies who will not have had enough time to review the senate bill. we should not be voting on this next week. >> will you support this bill, senator? >> right now iment am undecide >> welcome back to "hardball." tough for mitch mcconnell to round up enough votes, that would be 50, to pass the republican repeal of the affordable care act. in more bad news, the congressional budget office today estimates the senate bill will strip health insurance from 22 million americans. that number will be all over the papers tomorrow. 22 million will lose insurance.

the majority is already facing fierce head winds from his caucus, the one that spins from the ideological divides from moderates. susan collins as you just saw said i want to work with my gop and democratic colleagues to fix the flaws in aca. cbo analysis shows senate bill won't do it. i will vote no on motion to proceed. but republicans are determined apparently to schedule a vote before the july 4th recess. that means this week. texas senator john cornyn tweeted i am closing the door. we need to do it this week before done digit premium increases. tonight senate democrats are on the floor protesting the republican health bill. there's senator harris of -- that's can't cantwell from washington state. president trump tweeted what he would do if this fails. blame the democrats.

he tweeted republican senators are working very hard to get there with no help from the democrats. not easy. perhaps just let o care crash and burn. it's not just democrats that are in trump's cross hairs. america first is targeting the republicans who have come out against the senate health care bill. the message to all republicans get in line or else. the republican repeal remains one of the most unpopular pieces of legislation, however, in decades. in a scathing opinion piece montell williams has a dire speech. in his victory speech trump promised to lift up the forgotten men and women of this country. instead, under trumpcare they'll be left to die. montell williams, there he is. robert costa, national political reporter for "the washington post." robert costa, you on the track touting here. i don't see in the world with collins already having walked and four or five other republican senators saying

they're off that you get 50 out of 52. i don't see why -- i don't know what chuck schumer is doing except sandbagging the republicans by saying it's a 50-50 jump ball. it's not a jump ball. this bill is dead. am i right or wrong? >> it's nearly dead based on my reporting but i'm not ruling it out from passage at this point, chris, because of a couple of things i'm hearing on capitol hill. number one, there's still a significant chance some changes can be made to medicaid providing poorer states with far less population than some states with more money, more guarantees of funding and some conservatives could get the amendments they want on this bill. if that happens, maybe leader mcconnell will thread the needle. at this point it's a pretty dismal outlook. >> why would a republican senator left -- they don't have a left, right and center right, why would any republican senator want to have their name on health care for the country? they don't believe in it essentially. they don't believe in social

welfare like this kind. why do they want their name on it when they have to go back to the con ser va i was t. i supported something like obamacare. why would they want to do it? i don't get it. >> the politics are complicated for republicans. privately some republicans tell me especially the staffers they wouldn't mind if the bill fell apart. the moderates could say they stopped this from happening, they protected the coverage. conservatives could say this wasn't conservative enough but they got on this train a long time ago. republicans pledged to their base they would try to uproot this law and that's what they're trying to do even if it's unpopular. >> montell, tell me why you care about this. the personal reasons, maybe they're obvious to you but not to everyone. explain. >> most people out there know i have ms. i've been suffering with ms for over 20 years. i had a daughter that went through two rounds of a battle with cancer and were it not for the affordable care act it would have bankrupted her and us because we would have had to pay for this out of pocket because she wasn't insured.

no form of health care bill, this is nothing more than a cheap short-term talking point and they know that, the republicans know that, and in addition to that, it's nothing more than a tax break for the rich. let's talk about the short term. they know this doesn't go into full effect until 2025. they can kick this can down the road. look, we passed a bill that helps some people but don't have to worry about the fact that it will fall apart in 2025. it's going to fall apart way faster than that, chris. we are not telling the american public the truth. the truth is right now if everybody at home were to google, just google chronic illness in america, you will see that 125 million americans right now suffer from one chronic illness and at least 80% of them suffer from two. that's close to 80 million people. this 20 million thing is a joke because if states are not allowed to cover you for pre-existing conditions, they can drop 80 million people, my friend. and, wait, you know, sickness is an equal opportunity offender. >> yeah, but let me ask you why you think the republicans think

they represent their states. it could be -- >> because 31% -- >> overwhelmingly republican voters have some kind of health insurance, they just do. they have that advantage. they're not the disadvantaged people as a party, is that true? >> i don't believe that's true anymoore. it used to be. that's why you see only 31% of the people in this country support this and 51% ever against this. equal opportunity sickness my friend. >> you're not explaining why republican senators aren't doing anything really. why are they voting -- let me go back to robert. >> they can go home and have a free lunch. >> look, they have to get re-elected in big states like pennsylvania, ohio. these are real states. not little mini states with one or two electoral votes. they're big states with a lot of different kinds of people, different kinds of economic conditions in them. why would a person like pat toomey, portman, they're suicide. they must be representing

somebody. >> they've kicked it down the road. >> go to robert for a minute. report this. >> there is a belief inside of the senate republican cloak room that this could be patched together. if you're pat toomey and get what you want and make sure it doesn't expand as much as it does under the aca. if you're senator portman you get the opioid. if you're senator collins you get abortion coverage. it's not hard line conservative and you get what you want on medicaid. there's a belief because trump's not guiding this process from the white house it's mcconnell, mcconnell at the fore that can cut a deal with him to make this get over the line. >> do you think that might be happening? >> i think mcconnell is -- leader mcconnell is a transactional politician. the president recognizes that and he's let mcconnell take control of this process because he knows whatever happens out of the senate, that's going to have to be forced upon the house if this has any chance of approval. >> chris, the democrats -- >> i have a feeling trump

doesn't mind this thing dieing. i think he doesn't mind going to plan b, which is the health care bill we have now, obamacare will have -- whatever weaknesses they have he'll work on those. he'll watch the system deteriorate, weaken, die in some place through lack of insurers. he'll say, it's the democrats. >> he can get away with it. the reason why, when obama came up with his health care plan, the affordable care act, this is being called obamacare. ryan care, mcconnell care. if it fails, it's not on him. it's not trump care. this is the failure of the democrats because the democrats should be all over calling this nothing but trump care. trump care. you about they won't do it. >> i think that's an oxymoron, by the way, trump care. thank you. thank you for reporting. last week president trump accused republicans of passing a tax cut, not a health care bill. president trump was asked about

it on fox news. let's watch the exchange. >> how frustrating is it to have former president obama out there leading the resistance? >> well, i think -- i don't think he's leading it, he put out a small statement. i don't see that leading it, but other people are leading. >> some people might say the lever of anger is unprecedented, but it's also unprecedented for a former president to come out the way president obama has. he came out on facebook recently, you may have seen it. your bill, not a health care bill, it's a massive transfer of wealth. it's going to harm americans. it's mean. what do you say -- >> he actually used my term, mean, that was my term. because i want to see -- and i speak from the heart. that's what i want to see. i want to see a bill with heart. >> i want to see a bill with heart. i'm joined be by senator chris murphy. i want to see a bill with heart and the house bill which i supported is a mean bill. he jumps around 180. >> he didn't support it, he convened a giant party that they

had passed the bill that stripped health care from 24 million people. >> i remember. >> you know, i think he read something on tv that morning, he saw the fact that the news was turning against them and he decided to try to get out in front of it. the senate bill is no improvement. 23 million people lose insurance. if the house bill was mean, this bill is mean. i think that's why republicans are running away from this. >> it seems to be an easy issue. the democratic party created medicare, medicaid, social security. and now they're coming up with an attempt to have a republican version. i don't know what that means, a republican social welfare program. it doesn't seem to be -- whoever imagined a represeublican with social welfare program. a pill thing that w came up with. to help tens of millions of people and the republicans came up with it? they don't believe in it. >> what's amazing -- >> they don't believe in this stuff. listen, their proposal is obamacare, more popular than ever, right?

today more people want this program to remain because they actually now are at risk of losing all the benefits, all the protections that they've gotten. it's pretty amazing. this is about the car, right? >> i think your side has won the principle. the american people expect their government to play a role in providing them with health care. not just excess but health care. the cbo number comes out and says okay 23 million in a household won't get it. 23 million they lose the argument. >> and to protect americans against the abuses of insurance companies, right? everybody agrees now that you shouldn't let an insurance company charge you more if you're sick, which is what the republican bill allows you to do. >> let me talk to you about the dirt ball option i call it. suppose the senate 3wi8, i think it will fail, republican bill, the democrats don't have an alternative. what happens if over the next -- trump has one turn, maybe he'll have two. during the course of that time

obama care deteriorates. more insurance companies pulling out of the exchange, more people not getting covered. at the end of that period people begin to blame the democrats. what happens to you guys? >> first, he's doing that already, right? >> he's trying to talk it down. >> yeah. so insurers are pulling out of markets and they're blaming the uncertainty that trump has created. >> what stops him? >> the only thing -- two things stop him. one is that the public is not going to buy that it's the democrats fault. they control the white house, house, senate. >> they failed at every attempt to get rid of obamacare. now you have obamacare and they say obamacare failed. it has his name on it. >> they aren't dumb. they know republicans are in charge of everything. they know the president actually controls hhs which runs these exchanges. the second thing is that perhaps republicans and democrats if this thing falls apart in the next few days actually come together. maybe susan collins is successful in reaching out to people like me and we pass a bill that stabilizes the markets and maybe gives republicans some of the flexibility they want. >> republicans spent 40 years

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randy bryce is a union worker and army veteran. a democratic candidate for congress. his opponent, republican speaker of the house, paul ryan. bryce announced his run last monday. his first campaign ad is going viral. take a look. >> i've spent my entire life in southeastern wisconsin. i can see what people need. i can do so much more, and i will do so much more taking my voice, taking our voice and what we need to washington, d.c. i decided to run for office because not everybody's seated at the table and it's time to make a bigger table. i'm the best person to represent this district because i'm a working person. >> well, bryce wants to trade places, of course, with speaker ryan to represent wisconsin's first congressional district. it's in the southeastern corner of the state. it's a seat ryan has held since

winning it in 1998. runs from lake michigan in the east, south of milwaukee, west of jaynesville. i'm joined by democrat for congress, randy bryce. great ad. you strike me, mr. bryce, as the kind of guy or woman who voted for trump. a working guy who's a little ticked off at the democratic party for being a little too culturally elitist. you're sticking with the party and you're representing it, you hope to, against trump's guy, paul ryan. explain. >> well, thanks for having me on. happy monday, chris. >> thank you. >> the thing is that speaker ryan isn't -- he might be speaker of the house, but he's not speaking on behalf of working people's houses. he hasn't been present in the district for over 600 days and you have this horrible -- it's not even really a health care bill, but he's trying to take away health care. the people in the first congressional district are working harder and we're having

less to see for it. >> he's kind of an iron rand idea owe le >> he's kind of an iron rand idea owe ye ideologue. she believes in every man for herself. paul ryan believes in total utter self-reliance. >> at one point i understand he made his staff read ann ryan. >> a shrug probably. >> correct. correct. and he was talking about makers and takers. well, you know, i've spent the last 20 years of my life and all my neighbors have spent the last 20 years of their lives contributing to our society, contributing to the first congressional district, building things, you know, and not only is he taking stuff away from us but he won't face us. if we want to find out what's going on in washington, we had to ask representative mark pulcan to come in. we had two meetings that were

packed, people just dying to know what's going on, and we have no idea. as i said before -- >> what do you mean, you said 600 days you haven't seen him. that's a strong indictment. where's ryan been for 600 days. that's two years? >> he hasn't had any public town halls within that time. it's been over 600 days. but he's had over 50 events. some events where he'll charge $10,000 to have a picture taken with him. >> i'm going to ask you a technical question. lawyers are uniquely eligible to run for office they can be of counsel to a law firm to run for office. very few people can do that. how do you as a guy getting paid for a wage get enough free time to run for u.s. congress. how do you do it? >> well, it's difficult. i've spent every possible minute that i can campaigning. luckily i belong to the iron workers union and they pay a very good wage. there's times in the wintertime depending on -- it's been called sometimes the best part-time job that there is.

it's dependent on weather. we don't often get a 40-hour week. if it's a good week, we call it a ringer. thanks too belonging to a union. >> maybe there's a good side to not working 40. i'm very impressed by your ad campaign. the door to door stuff down. good luck with that. >> house speaker paul ryan, you saw him. randy bryce up next, a street that does not look good in print. this is so powerful. "the new york times" cataloged the staggering number of lies, they call it, president trump has told since taking the oath of office. it's like noah. a flood of lies one every day and then many, many almost every day since. it's an astounding, horrible record. you're watching "hardball." .

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welcome back it "hardball." opinion writers at "the new york times" have cataloged over 100

demonstrably false claims, lies, if you will, president trump has made since becoming president. the results of that exercise show the regularity of president trump's inaccuracies, exaggerations and falsehoods. most noted it would be the height of naivete to imagine he is merely wrong. the first 40 days of his presidency and since then he's said something untrue on at least 74 of 113 days. this is like the phillies losing record here. here is a look at a few of the examples. jesus. >> here's a picture of the crowd. now the audience was the biggest ever, but this crowd was massive. look how far back it goes. when you look at the people that are registered, dead, illegal, in two states and some cases maybe three states, we have a lot to look into. i guess it was the biggest electoral college win since ronald regan. the murder rate in our country

is the highest it's been in 47 years, right? did you know that? china will be allowed to build hundreds of additional coal plants. so we cannot build the plants but they can according to this agreement. >> the piece in "the new york times" yesterday concludes that the president, quote, is trying to create an atmosphere in which reality is irrelevant. i am so into that. i'm joined by the "hardball" roundtable. pa paul, you're first. i think they've got something there. i think the supporters of trump, somewhere between 35 and 40% who stayed with him hell and high water don't give a damn, a rat's ass. >> they didn't vote for the guy with the right facts, they voted for the right mood. if you got the mood right, who cares if the facts are over all -- >> he shoots facts on fifth avenue to use his old reference.

he shoots facts dead. sabrina. >> the greatest challenge with this is people becoming numb to the president not telling the truth. this is the highest office in the land and the fact that they lack credibility, that not just the president but whoever gets up behind the podium, the press secretary, you can't believe, you know, every other thing that might come out of their mouth. that's deeply problematic, not just for the public's trust in the office but also for how our allies view us. >> how do you write a straight news story? it's called straight reporting. i'm not sure it is objective. if you sit down and write down everything trump says as if it means something factually, aren't you being duped? it's hard to say this because you're supposed to write a paper of record. you have to write down what he says but it doesn't relate to reality. >> that's one of the reasons why they're trying to get rid of recording equipment at the daily press briefings. they don't like the actual record being there of the number of times that trump or the people that represent him end up lying.

journalism in fact covering all politics is based on the minimum idea that the president may only lie about one or two things. he lies about everything. >> this tape today, he said today that obama, his predecess predecessor's responsible for somehow colluding with the russians when they interfered with our election. split second before he said there was no interference. he does a 180. it doesn't affect his peeps. >> he talks and says what he thinks at the moment. he doesn't care if it's true. by the way, what's his brand? how rich is he? how is he doing in business? he makes those up. >> how do you report on this guy, sabrina? how do you write down what he says when you know it doesn't mean anything? >> the responsibility of the media is to hold people in power accountable. his success is contingent upon creating this alternate reality. kellyanne conway said alternative facts.

the media still has to report the facts and the truth and hope more people who are watching and taking seriously the campaign where a lot of people are disenchanted. immigrant? >> there are lots of people offended by it. here's the thing. that's where the lying starts. if you can lie about where a president is from, like, stick with it all the way -- >> evidence. i have investigators in hawaii coming up with very interesting stuff, b.s. >> he pretends he feels bad about it. if he would just show me, i'm worried about obama. >> we're sticking back with this unflappable president. anyway, up next, these people tell me something i don't know which actually will be true what they call me. anyway, thank you. "hardball," where the action is. ...it starts a chain reaction... ...that's heard throughout the connected business world. at&t network security helps protect business, from the largest financial markets to the smallest transactions, by sensing cyber-attacks in near real time and automatically deploying countermeasures. keeping the world of business connected and protected.

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after his wrongful death suit. that's going to cost over $3 million spread throughout the entire state. police brutality is not a human rights issue, it's costing taxpayers thousands of dollars. >> sabrina? >> refugee admissions to the u.s. are already nearly half of what they were under trump now and compared with obama, 25,000 in final months of obama's presidency, 13,000 refugees admitted in the previous three mont mont mont months uchd trump. >> is that policy? >> that's policy. extreme vetting. >> not only is gay marriage more popular, people are opposed to the notion of denying services to people just because they're gay. the supreme court is taking up a court case, but a survey has shown even amongst faith groups, most people believe you should still have to serve gay marriage couples. >> well said. thank you. things are changing for the better. sabrina and paul singer. when i return, trump watch. not going to be popular for him tonight.

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trump watch. monday, june 26th, 2017. if washington is a swamp, and i get the criticism, then donald trump's the swamp fox. let me take that as -- take that as a compliment if he wants to, let his critics take it as criticism of him. swamp fox. the fact is, he has shown himself able to sneak through day after day here in this capital city without being caught. he says one thing, one day. another thing off the direct opposite the next. and people continue to write down what he says as if it contains meaning of some sort, as if it was meant to contain meaning. it doesn't.

as "the new york times" documented yesterday, "since he took office as president, donald trump told an untruth every single one of his first 40 days as president. this deluge on untrue statements should have driven all of us into our boats like noah. waiting for the high sea level to drain from the city." that's the fact we haven't been able to handle yet, what do you do with a president whom basic human truth telling doesn't actually click? that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. "all in with chris hayes" starts right now. tonight on "all in." >> what's going to happen? people will die by the thousands. >> the clock is ticking on the senate health care bill. as the cbo estimates 22 million people will lose their insurance. >> the plan in its entirety will absolutely bring premiums down. >> no one loses coverage. >> these are not cuts to medicate. >> tonight, the lies being used to rush the bill through the senate, and the chances of it actuallyng