help all of us. thank you. we'll see you back here tomorrow night at 6:00 p.m. eastern. we have a lot going on tomorrow night so i hope do you show up. "hardball" starts right now. trump retreats. let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. senate republicans cowered from a vote to overhaul the nation's health care system. it came a day after the congressional budget office said 22 million fewer americans would be covered. today mitch mcconnell told reporters, they were still working on getting legislation passed, but that the process was, catch this word,

complicated. let's watch. >> we're still working toward getting at least 50 people in a comfortable place. we'll continue to talk about it. it is a very complicated subject. a big come reply sated the sub. this is a big complicated subject. if none of you ever covered a big complicated bill, they're hard to pull together and hard to pass. look, legislation of this complexity almost always taets longer than anybody else would hopeful. >> the key word there is complicated. he dismissed the notion of working with democrats. he even dismissed the idea of even talking compromise. >> will your ongoing discussions involve democrats at all? >> they're not interested in participating in this. >> speaking for the democrats. a plan to take care of everybody while also lowering expenses. the reality of the senate bill was far different. this afternoon the president met

with senate republicans to figure out where to go from here. let's watch that. >> we're going to talk and see what we can do. we're getting very close. but for the country, we have to have health care. and it can't be obamacare which is melting down. the other side is saying all sorts of things before they knew what the bill was. this will be great if we get it done. if we don't, it will be something we won't like and that's okay and i understand that very well. >> whatever that means. joining me now, senator al franken, it sounds like he's setting up plan b. nothing will get passed. i'll blame the democrats. >> that may very well happen. obviously, mcconnell didn't have the votes. because evidently, health care is complicated. >> that was a flash. >> trump said no one knew that until he learned it. and it is very complicated.

what they did wasn't very complicated. it was simply basically cutting -- wasn't the health care bill. it was a tax cut. it was cutting medicaid by about 800 billion and giving a big, big tax cut. >> so the money that has been used to finance this system for my income people, making money in investments. >> they, maybe they make it by making people laugh. they can do productive things. i'm not going to disparage people who have been successful. but the point is, this was, this is a cruel, mean bill. and that is why, and also, it was sort of incompetent and that's why the cbo scored it as 22 million people losing their health care. people hated this thing. >> look at the president's promises. during his campaign he promised

the moon. no cuts to medicaid and lower costs to every one. let's watch his promises. >> you're saying obamacare -- >> it has to go. repeal and replace with something terrific. >> and the strifk? >> it will be plan that's can be done by the pri companies. >> we'll come up with health care plans that will be so good and so much less expensive, both for the country and so much better. and so much better. >> i'm going to save them. a little reversal, the republican, democrat. >> in reality the senate bill would lead to 22 fewer million americans covered. medicaid would be slashed and out of pocket costs would rise for most people. his rhetoric on the campaign trail seemed to channel more bernie sanders. >> i am going to take care of everybody. everybody will be taken care of much better than they are now.

>> we will join in the rest of the industrialized world and guarantee health care to all people. >> what do we do with the folks had a fall through the cracks? >> we'll take care of that through the medicaid system. we have no choice. we won't let people die on the streets. >> it is about ending the disgrace of tens of thousands of americans dying every single year from preventible deaths. >> you have great health care at a fraction, a fraction of the cost. it will be great. >> when you pass a medicare for all single payer program, we can save middle class families thousands of dollars a year under health care costs. >> i don't know what to make of it. his promise was, roosevelt used to make fun of his points saying they'll give you terg democrats do and it won't cost you a penny. now he says, well, i'm make sure the rich don't pay any more taxes and i'll cut medicaid.

>> to be fair to him, this was before he knew it was complicated. >> you're kidding. >> i am, kind of. yes, there are problems with aca. they are the costs and the exchanges. we have to get a handle on that. and they've been doing everything they can to sabotage this. for example. just the cost sharing piece, which helps keep the cost of the premiums down. the insurance companies have to submit their plans by the middle of next month. they need assurance it will be. there they have been, and because he has been playing with this, he has been doing everything he can to undermine the affordable care act. we also need to get a handle on

pharmaceuticals. we need medicare part d to negotiate the pharmaceutical companies. we need to be able toim port. we produce half the drugs in the world. half the pharmaceuticals, but they're more expensive in our country than anywhere else. >> are people still going to canada? >> people are still going to canada. we should be able to reimport drugs from canada. save money that way. there are these named health care drugs. named pharmaceuticals. there's a thing called pay for delay. they pay them not to come on the market so they can charge more. if you go around minnesota, you will hear from people that one, they need medicaid. and they need it right where

donald trump with well. everyone in the united states will tell you that the cost has spiked in the last three years. >> senator, thank you for joining me. do you believe the republican party has the heart to do the plan? they say repeal and then they say replace. do they want the government to have a role in health care or not? >> i can't figure it out at all. let me answer your first question. if you're 50 to 65 years old, you are probably going to think the republicans don't have a heart. you are going to see your health insurance premiums rise and you'll be charged five times more than a young person. the average 55-year-old will see their premiums go from about 6,000 a year to over $20,000. there's no heart in that.

>> what do you think the republican plan is? is it to lose and then blame the democrats for the failure of obamacare? it seems they're setting this up. we tried really hard and we didn't get any help from the democrats. therefore, blame the democrats. that seems to be the strategy that i see. >> i don't know. i'm not in those republican leadership meetings. here's what i'm afraid of. i'm afraid during ten-daybreak, they're going on spend a lot of time figuring out how to buy off the republicans. and the pharmaceuticals, those in the top 1%, will get a quarter million-dollar tax cut. they'll find a way to get the votes they need and that's where the american public is speaking up, it is working. your e-mails, your letters, showing up in town halls. keep the pressure on. >> as you saw senator mitch

mcconnell. his colleague lisa murkowski was very impressed today. let's watch. >> would you be a pro possibility to make sure we start over? >> absolutely. the congress of the united states, whether you're a republican or democrat in the house or the jat, shouldn't we all be working together as a part of who we are as americans? we said no, we won't talk to democrats about a fix. we should be working on the other side of the aisle. >> that's the very impressive lisa murkowski. >> we're willing to talk about

making sure that we deep premiums low. we're willing to talk about making sure people with pre-existing conditions are covered. but i'm not going to negotiate from a low point. i'm not going to negotiate, do we cut medicaid by $800 billion or $600 billion. that's not acceptable. >> today speaker paul ryan said the stake for republicans couldn't be higher. >> newt gingrich said if republicans get health care wrong, they lose the house. do you feel there's that much at stake? >> i feel it is the biggest signature issue we have. and it is the biggest promise we've ever made. >> joining me, michael steel. i think the republicans are doing something they never would have done. they're knew trying to fix a

problem. they liked the system before obama. >> replace with it the system they had before. there was something there. there were 30 million people, give or take a few, who did not have health care at the time. that's how this started. so there was a health care system in place. it wasn't where obamacare took it for sure. here's the problem. this is now in the blood stream of this economy and this country. you are not going to take -- >> do they know this? >> they do. and that's the frustration that lisa murkowski and others have. they see the writing on the wall. >> your party has people like rand paul who is an abolitionist. he doesn't care about the replace part. how could you replace and

repeal. >> you cannot do anything unless you repeal. >> the problem is trump has promised the moon. he said he would give everybody health care. he sounded like, bernie. >> that's where his heart is. >> do you think donald trump is a believer in big health care? >> absolutely. i think it has been a part of his e-thos from the beginning. >> is he a republican? >> i need to be educated every day. he is not a republican conservative who would make the kind of articulation for america a paul ryan or a mitch mcconnell would make. >> thank you. michael steele has just joined us. coming up, fireworks on the white house. >> it's inflammatory to people all over the country who say

see, once again, the president is right and everybody else out here is fake. and everybody in the room is only trying to do their job. >> that reporter joins us next. plus, president trump and his allies want the russian investigation to go away. now they're doubling down on their strategy of blaming obama. that's ahead. and military officials and top membe members, is this wag the dog? finally let me finish with trump watch. this is "hardball" where the action is.

what a difference a president makes. according to a new pugh poll, 22% had confidence that trump will do the right thing on global affairs. that's down from 64% under president obama. in fact, out of all those

countries, only two gave trump higher marks than obama. russia and israel. russians gave president trump a 42 point edge over obama. that's far from the only russian-related news out today. with the investigation still swirling about the trump administration, the president is looking for a fall guy and has settled on president obama. that's ahead.

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they may get covered for an hour at a time. but this story gets covered day in, day out. and i think america is frankly looking for something better. they're looking for something more. and i think they deserve something better from our news media. >> come on. you're inflaming everybody right here right now with those words. this administration has gun as well. why in the name of evans, any one of us is replaceable, if we don't get it right, the audience has chance to turn the channel or not read us. you've been elected to serve for four years at least. there's no option in that. we're here to ask questions and you're here to provide answers. what you just did is inflammatory to the people. you're saying the president is right and everybody else is fake media. everybody else is only trying to do their job. >> i disagree completely. first of all, if anything has been inflamed, it is the dishonesty that often takes

place by the news media. and i think it is outrageous for you to accuse me of inflaming a story when i was simply trying to respond to his question. >> brian, thank you. i was very impressed by that. what got you? what made you do it today? nobody else has done it before. supposedly a service for the american people to give us answers to questions he. that's what a briefing is supposed to be. it is not supposed to be a pr campaign of trashing everybody who disagrees with the president. your thoughts. >> well, i had listened to it -- first of all, i have a healthy respect for sarah and for sean and for what they do. >> why? >> because it is a difficult job. >> what do you respect what what they do? they have to face the likes of us every day and i'm not the easiest person to get along with. >> are they truth tellers? >> that's why we're here.

to try to find out. and there have been, what got me when you ask about what got me rankled, it is that they sit there and say, we're dishonest in the media and we're being dishonest. there's consequences. but i have yet to hear anyone from this administration even admit a mistake. it is a little hard to take. the people in that room i have a healthy respect for. i've been coming and going in this room off and on since the reagan administration. those people, i have held up as heroes. in addition, there are report here's have given their lives to get news to the public. and it would be just labeled as dishonest and fake media rankles me. and maybe i lost my tell per at that moment. but it was long time coming. it was six months. i would like the see that taken off and just taken off the table and let us talk about real issues. let us ask our questions. quit hitting us with faking

media. everyone including breitbart in there has been respectful. they've asked tough questions and the administration has not often been forthcoming with what i would say are factual answers. so yeah. i'm concerned. >> let me try to term it another way. the reporters who sit in those chairs there in the briefing room at the white house, have to sit there. they have to sit there because they've been assigned to that post, to that spot. and if somebody up there is doing a pr campaign against them, they have to sit there and be props, basically proms for the white house press secretary, to use them and yell at them and treat they will like high school kids or grade school kids that were disobedient and didn't get their homework double on time. they're being used as a pr campaign. so the people for the more right wing reaches of the country who still believe in trump, they're watching them being paddled. given a time-out.

>> i don't like being paddled. i don't like being spampged. the attitude that i get, i get it from my children. i say enough of that. don't pour water in my ear and tell me it's raining. just give me the facts. i would very much like if could i get this out of this administration. >> you made is noise. in the regular normal truth telling media, you'll be talked about tonight and tomorrow. thank you for coming "hardball." let's bring in the roundtable. you're there at the end of the table. let's talk about what's going on and the strategy coming out of white house. there is a special counsel, robert mueller, the house committee, the senate committee, the agencies of government, the fbi, all trying to figure out what was done by the russians and what role did any americans including the trump

administration plan it. listening to the president, none of that reality. he wants to take us another into showroom where he will talk about obama colluded with the russians. and oh, let's double down. it's a crazy wag the dog world they go to that has nothing to do with reality. yet typing it up like it is news. the president said today, like it is an authentic reality. it's not. >> it is just point at the next person. usually for the trump administration, it is obama, clinton, it's i didn't do it. it's their fault. look at them. >> but they didn't actually say they clueded except using the words why. would he have helped trump win with the russians' help? >> you're talking about it like there is a grand strategy behind

it. this is donald trump trying on create diversions wherever he can. there is literally nothing to it. he said obama gave mike flynn his security clearance fast this was the thing would change whole conversation. it never works. >> it works newt gingrich. they go, that's right. they're being taught a lesson. oh, tinlds universe. thank you, mr. trump. >> it is throwing red meat to the base. the more people i talk to who know this president, it is showing they will, hey, i'm still guy you voted for. i'm still the guy who went after obama. all those tweets, he said no, i'll show my base that i haven't changed. i am still the guy that you put in here. >> the other material that was

used since w's days. connation. now they're saying when president obama said, you can't cheat the count. trump just throws that out today saying, you can't interfere with our elections and our election campaigns. that's not what obama said. he said you can't screw with the count. he knew you can jew the campaigning and the hacking into and the -- >> the administration seems to be going all over the place with that. are they saying russia didn't have an effect? maybe wasn't russia? it was russia and now there is a health zone. did russia have an effect? obama said they couldn't so i guess athletic didn't. they're trying to play, they're playing different, all these different sides. >> it is like they want to talk about russia. everybody says why don't you

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anything. sit back for a period of two years. because 17 is going to be a disaster. let it be a disaster. because we can blame that on the dpems are in our room. that's not the fair thing to do for the people. not the fair thing. >> the president resprifd idea yesterday tweeting that republican senators are working very hard to get there, with no help from the democrats. not easy. perhaps just let o'care crash and burn. >> tonight nine republican senators, nine, now oppose the senate republican bill. we're back with the roundtable. so nine. that's seven short. they needed to have at least two of those. they're seven short. what is this with everybody dancing around saying, i wasn't with that bill. >> i told you it was a bad idea. shouldn't have done that. >> that number will grow. >> right. at this point, they can all say, yeah, it was a bad idea. i feel lying it is deja vu to the house bill. make a few tweets, a few

amendments. they'll hold their nose. >> who gets blamed? obama got blamed, different years where people get blamed. 2006, 10, two years in. so two years in would be 2018. will trump be blamed or will the democrats be blamed if health care just sits there and dissipates? two years from now, nobody did anything to fix it? >> i don't see anyone with you the republican party gets blamed. they control the house, the senate and the white house. they promised for seven years to get rid of this. if they fail to do that, by the way, they voted also, all of them to repeal in total. now we know those votes were phony because they're not willing to do that. a lot of them are quite happy privately with obamacare, particularly the moderates in the house. if they don't get this double, they're going into 20 wean this single issue they campaigned with for the last seven years, couldn't do it. >> so it will be a boomerang. >> that's the thing. that's what they have to decide.

>> an australian reference. >> i liked it. >> that's what they've got to decide over this july 4 recess. what are they most afraid of? passing a bill that's not really popular? are they afraid of not doing anything and being blamed -- >> they can't get 50 votes. >> i think that, they have a strong, they have strong motivation to try to get something done. as you said, they have been promising for seven years to do something. to not do anything, to go home and say, we didn't do anything. that seems like very heavy -- >> excuse me. i think there's a difference between conservatives, really conservatives in the senate, republicans, and people worried about their constituency, real people, the people who represent regular states. they're middle of the road-ish. they want to save their seats. the idealized are more frisky.

they want to take chances. how do you repeal, get rid of the government's role in health care, and at the same time, bring in a whole new health care system which is just as good or better and covers more people? they're inconsistent. and they're in a quagmire that they can't get themselves out of. this is becoming their vietnam. they can't get themselves out of it. the health care system so large, so dysfunctional, i covered it for a decade. they own it now and it will be impossible no matter what they do to fix the system. >> after a pro trump super pac launched against dean heller for opposing the bill, senator mitch mcconnell expressed his frustration. according to the "new york times," the majority leader called the white house chief of staff reince priebus to complain. he called it beyond stupid. then later the group is pulling the ads. what do you think? >> these ads against heller like he is the bad guy because he

won't go against a bill that will ruin them. a lot of waitresses, drivers, it is the one state where you meet all the labor union members. you meet them the whole time you're there. >> he is the most vulnerable republican in the senate. when the outside group announced the, i start to get calls close saying what the election they thinking? this is insane. why are you going after one of your own? also they made the point that it doesn't make the negotiating any easier. it looks like it will be bullied. that gives less room to negotiate. so i don't think it is smart tactically and looking toward 2018. >> it looks like you get him back to a position you don't believe in. >> what the super pac was trying to say is that we're not worried about protecting the republicans. we're worried about protecting america first. so that's why we're going against heller. we want to show you cannot stand what we're trying to do no

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there is now a very tense and quiet conversation going on in the white house. you could call it an argument. steve bannon wanted to put tariffs on it. moderates want something much softer. next week i'm told this will turn to aluminum. so we're seeing some of these trade clashes. selling below cost. >> putting cheap steel into the country below cost. >> reuters is reporting that secretary tillerson overrode diplomats and took iraq off the world's worst offenders for child soldiers today. and that has big implications. it is raising concerns again that the u.s. is not as concerned with human rights and it is raising concerns because that was a way to get some of these countries in line. >> i haven't figured out tillerson yet. i think he is a pretty stubborn guy. up next, trumpland basted

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one of the things i think you've noticed about me is militarily, i don't like to say where i'm going and what i'm doing. and i watched past administrations say, we will attack at such and such a day at such and such an hour. i'm not saying i'm doing anything one way or the other but i'll certainly not going to be telling you. >> welcome back. this was president trump at a rose garden press conference back in april this year. but in a statement late last night, sean spicer announced, that's the key word, that syria seemed to be preparing a chemical attack. exactly what the president said he wouldn't do. if mr. assad conducts another mass murder attack using chemicalwomens, he and his military will pay a heavy price. intelligence officials were caught off guard by the white house statement. additionally "the new york times" reported that an official

with u.s. central command which overseas combat in the middle east had no idea what the white house was referring to. earlier today a pentagon spokesman seemed to provide back-up for the white house telling reporters that active preparations for a chemical attack were being taken. anyway, today white house pushed back hard on accusations that they left the pentagon or the state department in the dark. >> i can tell you that leadership from the state department, d.o.d., d.n.i., the cia, as well as members of the administration within this building, were part of that process from the very beginning and fully aware. >> not true. for more, i'll joined by the senior affairs correspondent. michael, is this wag the dog? all of a sudden the president is under heat about his various problems, all of a sudden he is talking about a red line in syria? >> right. you can only speculate about that. there's no way to know for sure.

one interesting thing is that it is not clear how powerful this intelligence is. if you want to explore a question like that, i think you would say, what was the trigger for this statement? and even the statement made reference to something like possible or potential activity that would be consistent with preparations for a chemical strike. they're be saying they have it nailed to the wall. the information that came out of the administration today was not overwhelming. one example baltimore there was an airplane parked next on a building that had been associated with chemical weapons previously. if you're going on ask that question, that's where would you start. what kind of intelligence are we dealing with? to use the old phrase, it is not a slam-dunk. >> it was warned that the white house statement sent a dangerous message. let's listen to him. >> the end of the statement, it said something like, if they do this, they will pay a heavy price. that sounds like red line and it sounds like they're preparing to

take action. we know a month or so ago, they did take action with the strike on the airport. >> this all seems pretty erratic. i asked that because it seems like the defense department, the pentagon didn't even know about this chemical attack using weapons by the syrian government. >> there are indications that the senior leadership around the government did know about this but that a lot of the people, at the secondary levels did not. that's a striking contrast to the way the obama administration worked. the obama administration ran its foreign policy, its national security process, endless meetings. make sure everything is buttoned up. the trump administration is like a start-up. free wheeling. they maybe have a meeting about it in the hallway. a big contrast. there are people who say that's a dangerous way to run foreign policy. that you can make big mistakes

if you haven't run all the trams. >> nikki haley tweeted this morning, not just are to syria but to russia and iran, quote, any further attacks to the people of syria will be blamed on assad but also to russia and iran. here's a cabinet member. issuing a war threat threatening, we have not gone to war at any time. we were their ally in world war. two never to go war with russia. here she is, not the commander in chief putting out a warning to russia? this is brinksmanship. this is a little scary. and i wonder if they're not doing this to offset the clouds between russia and the campaign. >> it is consistent with, if you wanted to create a narrative, that you had a bad relationship with russia, the trump administration is doing a good job of that. heightening tensions with russia. you remember during the

campaign, hillary clinton was talking about having a tougher stand in syria and trump was saying, hillary clinton will start world war three with russia in syria. now we are having these fast escalating tensions with russia. and don't forget, iran and the people who think we're stumbling toward a very dangerous confrontation. we have been using military force in targeted ways hitting pro iranian forces that we thought were threatening our allies. and the iranians are getting very upset about it. this is hooping different levels. we have all three at once. and it is not clear that there's a guiding policy. that's the really concerning thing. >> does trump know, one of the reasons he won the election. people, whatever their thoughts on other subjects, thought he was against stupid wars like iraq. now he is over there playing games. could get us into trouble with iran, russia. you think that one thing he would want to do is avoid big

wars. an american patriot of some sort. why would he want to start the war? i don't get brinksmanship. i looks like he is running an erratic white house. can you answer that? is this a distraction from his troubles? >> well, i think it is objectively true that it is a distraction from all the bad news about russia. about the health care bill. i can't speak to the motive. i can tell you that steve bannon and other advisers have been saying things on him like don't get yourself into a war, you said you wouldn't get into wars. i think the other way he might be thinking about it, so many republicans said obama obama wasn't strongest didn't show strong american leadership. they were obsessed with the red line else. they thought he really wimped out. so in trump's mind, he may be thinking, i'll doing what obama never did. i'm showing america is tough. i didn't like how obama

performed on. this he could get embroiled. whatever the motive is, the objective fact is that it is a distraction from these other stories and happens to be convenient if we have some tension with russia. and he may see vladimir putin at the g-20 summit next week. that could be an awkward meeting. it might be a good story line for him if it is not a friendly sitdown. but they're tough guys who are mad at each other over what's happening in syria. >> if he kills one russia in syria, everything that has happened will be petty compared tom. when we return, let me finish with trump watch tonight. you're watching "hardball." for your heart...

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trump watch, june 27, 2017. republicans had a lot of fun voting 60 some times on repeal obamacare. they did it again and again, knowing that it wouldn't pass the senate, wouldn't get to the president's desk, wouldn't be signed even if it got there. this ritual, this parade of nothing went on month after month, year after year during the last presidency. it went on for the very important reason that's it was both fun for the republicans and meaningless. it cost nothing but the politicians' time and it hurt no one. with donald trump in the white house waiting with his pen to sign whatever the majority sends him, it will cost and it will

hurt. 22 million fewer americans will be covered. people who have coverage will lose it. people with medical treatment won't have it. it will fail that most basic rule of medicine. it will do harm. i think i see the republicans' problem. they want to repeal obamacare because it has been a republican and conservative battle cry since the program was enacted in 2010. but they want to provide protections to people. they want to neat standard that obamacare established. that the government must help people get health insurance. but this is the rub. how do you get rid of the government's commitment to get people, had and replace the means of meaning that same commitment. if you're replacing, you're not repealing. if you're repeeling, you're not replacing. that's the contradiction. either you have a health care plan or you don't. if you have one urgs didn't repeal one. when the last deal is cut and all the dust settles, either the people who wanted it killed will

be happy or the people who wanted it replaced with something that meets the same needs will be. it shouldn't surprise us they will not be the same people. that's "hardball." "all in" with chris hayes starts right now. tonight on "all in --" >> this will be great if we get it done. if we don't get it done, it will be something that we won't like. >> the republican attempt on jam a health care bill through the senate for now. >> we will not be on the bill this week. >> tonight the up-hill child for republicans. >> even trump voters the don't like it. >> but the bill isn't over yet. >> this is not over. the house bill died by a two-vote majority. and it came back to haunt with us an even worse bill. >> then the white house really wants the russia investigation to go away. >> we've been going on this