and not a privilege for a few wealthy people. >> tom perez -- >> i don't know that republicans feel the same way. >> good to see you. thanks very much for joining us. >> great to be with us. >> former labor secretary tom perez, now the chair of the dnc. thanks for watching this hour of msnbc live, i'm ali velshi. >> and i'm stephanie ruhle live in washington. i will see you in new york tomorrow with ali. all day long you can find us on social media and connect with our show #velshiruhle. right now i'm going to send you to colorado for answer drae mitchell reports. right now on a special edition of "andrea mitchell reports," family ties. tonight president trump's controversial travel ban becomes reality. travelers from six mainly muslim nations will have to show close relationships to come to the u.s. and grandma does not count as family. >> i'm not at all satisfied there will not be confusion.

i don't think they've had a clear standard on what constitutes that bona fide connection to the united states. signs of life? senate republicans are tweaking their plan for healthcare, but do they need democrats at the table to get a do over? >> we've got a compromised bill right now and we are trying to turn the dials to get to 50 votes, so we'll see. >> so we are not there. we're continuing our conversations. there's going to be more meetings today so we will see how they play out. >> coming up we will talk to susan collins one of the key senate republican holdouts. and world power, my exclusive conversation with samantha power on the trump administration's selective use of human rights in foreign policy. >> one can be struck that when we intervened in syria after the chemical weapons attack and bombed, you know, facilities involved in murdering civilians that the language was the language of human rights.

what won't work is to give speeches about deemphasizing and other speeches about embracing, you know, bloody leaders and then turning around and invoking -- and good day, everyone, i'm andrea in mitchell in aspen, colorado, at the ideas festival where we are following the latest developments in the healthcare battle. senate republicans are scrambling to save their plan to repeal obamacare. majority leader mitch mcconnell trying to hammer out a revamped bill by tomorrow before the july 4th recess, but a new reality for republicans is starting to sink in as the chorus for a bipartisan solution grows. one of those who has been pushing for a bipartisan approach all along republican senator susan collins who joins me now. thank you for being with us. >> glad to join you, andrea. >> let's talk about whether or not you think that mitch mcconnell and his band of male senators who have been in the

closed, closed meetings, can they come up with a solution that you think will fix this enough to win your support or do they need to really do it over and bring democrats into the conversation? >> from my perspective the bill needs a lot more than tweaking or tinkering around the edges, it needs some major overhauls so that we no longer would have 22 million people losing their insurance, sweeping cuts in the medicaid program which helps our most vulnerable citizens in our rural hospitals, nursing homes and home health agencies and we need to also to focus on the cost of not only premiums but deductibles for lower income people. so from my perspective we need a major overhaul. we have had several meetings this week, we are going to have another one today and i haven't hesitated to speak up and give

me views and there has been a vigorous exchange. >> is one fix and would it be enough, eliminating the tax cuts on the wealthy and using that money to restore the medicaid cuts? >> it certainly would be a step in the right direction to not repeal that 3.8% increase in taxes that -- on investment income that was passed as a part of the affordable care act. that is worth something like $172 billion and if that were plowed back into the healthcare system that would make a difference. i want to distinguish that there are two kinds of taxes in the affordable care act, some of them such as the tax on medical devices like stents or artificial hips actually increase the cost of healthcare, but the tax on investment income

for the wealthy does not increase the cost of healthcare. so i think we should distinguish between these two kinds of taxes and repealing the one on the wealthy as the senate draft would do does not make sense to me. >> but even with that fix, would that be enough and do you have to reach the point where people like tom price and the white house spokes people accept the reality that there are cuts in medicaid, that just the normal increase in medicaid to deal with population growth is not -- is not a real increase in medicaid spending? >> the problem is the inflation rate that is tied to the medicaid program would be below what we know is projected to be the increase in medical care inflation. so if you don't fix that problem, which is even worse in

the senate bill than in the house bill, the impact is that billions of dollars of costs are shifted on to state governments, on to those who are lucky enough to have insurance and to uncompensated care by our rural healthcare facilities. so that is something that i also cannot -- i cannot accept. your point -- your question is a good one, it's not just one of these problems in the bill. we need to fix many problems in the bill including the fact that 22 million people are projected to lose their insurance over the next decade. that's not acceptable. >> you sat next to the president, i believe, in the meeting with the senators the other night and there has been a lot of reporting out of that meeting and certainly what he said yesterday in a photo opportunity to indicate that he has not sort of drilled down on

the details. he keeps talking about a wonderful healthcare and how terrific it's going to be but he doesn't seem to be, i don't know, knowing the details. is that a fair assessment? >> well, the president mainly was in listening mode. he allowed each of us who wanted to speak to make our points. i spoke up and listed three areas of particular -- or four areas of particular concern to me and he listened to everyone and i give him credit for that. he's obviously not a healthcare expert, but he was taking in what we were saying and he seemed to be saying that he was receptive to putting back more money into the bill so that we are not cutting people off from needed healthcare. >> bottom line, if you think it

can't be fixed around the edges, do you need to do a bipartisan deal with hearings and public input to really get this done? >> that would have been my preference in the first place. i think that it is unfortunate that we are repeating the same mistake that president obama made when he passed the affordable care act without a single republican vote. i don't want to see us do the same thing and pass a healthcare reform bill without a single democratic vote. i have had conversations with several democrats that are willing to come to the table and negotiate, unfortunately the democratic leader has been discouraging them from doing so, but i hope after we get past this stage that we can sit down and negotiate a bill because everyone agrees that the affordable care act has some serious problems and that

insurance markets are very fragile in many states, in fact, insurers are fleeing some states and people who qualify for subsidies are not going to have any insurance available to buy. so we've got to fix the law, that's the responsible thing to do, and our goals should be to try to improve it and actually expand coverage. a little known fact is even with the affordable care act in place today we have 28 million americans who lack insurance. we don't want to add to that. >> senator, i want to ask you about another issue. with all of this at steake, wit the president trying one would think to rally senators to his cause, today he tweeted a personal insult against my colleague, mika brzezinski and it's raised a huge fuss, a lot of your colleagues including you

have commented on it. there is a statement from msnbc that it is a sad day for america when the president sends his time bullying, lying and spewing petty personal attacks instead of doing his job. and i was just wondering if you would comment on it and what this means in a larger context. >> we're not going to get along, but we have to treat each other with respect and civility and the president's tweet was completely inappropriate and i think he needs to better appreciate the roles played by the three branches of government and by the media. and we are not going to agree, we are not always going to get along, but there is no need for such uncivil language. >> and finally my colleague rachel maddow last night showed a letter from judiciary chairman

chuck grassley and lindsey graham requesting that the fbi turn over all fisa requests on the russia investigation including what the predicate was for them to lunch their investigation in july. is that an appropriate request of the judiciary inquiry. are they getting too close to getting involved in what the fbi and bob mueller are really doing? >> the intelligence committee is the lead committee in the counterintelligence investigation in the senate and we are focused on the question of russian involvement in the elections last fall and whether or not there was any cooperation or collusion between the russians and members of president trump's campaign team. the special counsel by contrast is responsible for pursuing any criminal leads. so they're very different

investigations and much needed investigations in both cases to put to rest and to give the public the confidence that these important questions are going to be answered. so does the judiciary committee cross the line into the lane that is the special counsel's? i think it could. and i don't think that he will hesitate to make his views known. >> it was noteworthy that the ranking member, dianne feinstein's name was not on it and up until now it has been bipartisan in most regards with chuck grassley. thank you very much, senator collins. if i don't talk to you a very happy july 4th break to you. >> thank you. and joining me now is nbc national correspondent peter alexander in washington. and nbc's kasie hunt on capitol hill. peter, first to you.

the president has just infuriated his own colleagues on the hill, including many that he needs to be in his camp on healthcare and other critical issues with this personal attack today. >> i think you are exactly right. what was striking as you just spoke to susan collins is this conversation that he had with about 46 republican lawmakers just a couple days ago, he was flanked by two women, lisa mur could you ski and susan collins who he needs to bring on board among others to try to pass the healthcare bill at some point in the future. this certainly wouldn't make that process any easier. i just heard back from a spokesperson from melania trump, i was asking the white house specifically about mrs. trump's plans, the anti-cyber bullying campaign that she is said to have embraced. there are no details about the plan but she continues to be thoughtful on this topic. what was my striking was the push back from stephanie grish shom the communications director for the first lady and sara

huckabee sanders basically saying as they said before when the punch gets punched at he will punch back ten times harder. as the white house as opposed to saying, this ain't the way to go, instead is as you would expect perhaps sticking behind their boss and defending what wide lie is agreed to be a sexist comment and below the dignity of the white house and president. kasie, the vice president just arrived on capitol hill. a key leader of the white house effort to try to rally votes behind the republican healthcare bill. >> reporter: yeah, a sign that these negotiations are still ongoing and perhaps intensifying with the vice president coming here. he wouldn't answer a question from me about where this vote count stood or what the plan was as he walked into the capitol hill. we are over here on the senate side, that of course where the negotiations are taking place. but as you just heard from

senator collins there is a sense that this is a difficult ask to try to get a deal by friday. you and peter were discussing whether the president's comments were helpful. i just talked briefly with senator joni ernst, the senator from iowa, and she called the president's tweeting this morning inappropriate. so she didn't want to talk about the healthcare bill but she was pretty ready with that comment about president trump's tweets this morning. so i think that that is something clearly that is on the mind of republicans up here today. so i asked leader mcconnell earlier during a photo spray about this healthcare bill. he just laughed a little bit, wouldn't answer my question about where the votes are, but i think there would be a growing sense of surprise if they did get something before they head home for the break. >> thanks so much. coming up, between the lines. how read in is the president on the details of his healthcare bill? you're watching "andrea mitchell reports." ♪

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after months of legal fighting president trump's controversial travel ban is going to take effect tonight. the supreme court's decision this week clearing the way for parts of the ban to move forward for now, at least, the restrictions limit entry from travelers from six predominantly muslim countries unless they

have a direct connection to someone here in the u.s. the question is when it comes to relatives just how do they define that connection? who is a relative? joining me now is ron klane former chief of staff to vice president joe biden and gore. amy walter and charlie sykes veteran conservative radio host and msnbc contributor. welcome all. >> thanks, andrea. >> you are the lawyer, also a former top staff member on the senate judiciary. how they define what a relative s you're telling someone that their grandma is not a relative but their sister-in-law is? >> look -- >> it seems ash tra err. >> i think president trump will find himself back in court in the next couple hours because the supreme court had a broad definition of some connection to the united states, could have been a business connection, could have been someone enrolled in a university and the trump administration today announced a very, very narrow definition.

as you said, even carving out family members, that's not consistent with the supreme court ruling and again i think the trump administration will find itself back in court here in the next couple hours. >> i think they knew or anticipated that because they sent these notices to all the embassies around the world, yet wouldn't confirm or release them which is so different from the usual procedure from the state department of an embassy notification. so it just seems as though they were trying to delay the inevitable court challenge. >> i think they tried to hold it off as long as possible, but i think as i said i think they will find themselves back in court. this is not consistent with what the supreme court issued last week when they said parts of this could go into effect but only if they had a broad definition of what allowed people to come into this country with a connection to this country. this narrow definition doesn't meet the supreme court's test. >> so much has happened already today. you've got the president's very personal attack on twitter against my colleague and friend mika brzezinski and normally we

wouldn't get into this, but it has been just commented on by all of the senators, republican and democratic, anyone who has been asked about it. it's just really angry and here is dianne feinstein, amy, and what she had to say. >> i'm appalled. this is the president of the united states. you don't do things like that. you don't attack women. we are half of his constituency and i think every woman that looked at this thought, you know, why is he doing this? and, you know, the thing about him is somebody says something he doesn't like and it's true, he goes to their jugular and that's got to stop. >> was it sexist, the attack? >> absolutely. absolutely. >> and there were republican senators, i just talked to senator collins, john mccain,

lindsey graham. why -- why take on this battle? >> republicans have been saying this, republicans in congress have been saying this to the president since he started in his job as president, even as a candidate. the tweets need to stop. you need to -- if you are going to push an agenda forward, it's really hard to do. it's even harder to do when you get distracted and you get washington distracted by this. there is something really important happening in washington right now, healthcare bill, it's kind of a big deal. that's what the white house should be discussing right now, that's the what president should be focused on. if you have an all base all the time strategy which the president's decision is to gin up, generate enthusiasm from that core group of supporters who believe that he is being persecuted, that people are not taking him seriously, that they have to punch back, if you want to keep that group energized then you have to punch back anytime you feel as if you're

being wrongly -- >> if only we had been warned. keep in mind this is the donald trump who mocked heidi cruz's looks, who bragged about the size of his private parts. >> exactly a year ago. >> who talked about grabbing women. the voters and the republican party went along with all of this and this belief that somehow he would become more presidential. yes, it's absolutely true he is playing to his base. this is the sweet spot for him to attack and ridicule the media, but what you're seeing is, you know, beyond the strategy this is a man who just lacks the character to control his impulses and it is a fundamental nastiness. of course it's sexist, but also the political mal prpractice of what he is doing at this particular moment. it's so revealing, but again it's a reminder this is the man we elected president, all of those things happened before the november ee ex-will, we knew what we were doing. >> also on foreign policy we

have all been waiting to see when will a top member of the cabinet explode? and we've just seen rex tillerson a "politico" report which rex tillerson was asked about today whether he is impatient with the pace of appointments. there has been leaks from the white house that tillerson is blocking these nominees and a lot of concern at the state department that it's because the white house is blocking his appointees. he was asked today about whether or not he is dissatisfied, this was a photo opportunity with a foreign minister. >> are you satisfied with the pace of staffing positions in the state department? >> no, i'd like to go faster. thank you. >> that is an epic statement from rex tillerson. to speak about, you know, someone who is terse with his words, no, i would like it to go faster, the pace of appointments. >> look, we have a lights on, nobody home situation at the state department and right now,

you know, we have a budding crisis in north korea potentially, we have hot spots all over the world. one of those things is going to explode and there will be no one at the state department to help manage these crises other than secretary tillerson and his closest aides. that's a big problem. this fight between the white house with jared kushner calling rex tillerson unprofessional is just ridiculous. i mean, john adams said we shouldn't have a government of men, we should have a government of laws. right now we have a government of toddlers over these basic things. >> the fact is that rex tillerson and jim mattis the secretary of defense have spent the last month trying to disentangle a mess in the persian gulf created arguably by jared kushner doing the bidding of very aggressive advocates, diplomats from saudi arabia and the uae against qatar which is also a u.s. ally and key

military ally and really getting them caught in the middle and the president of course going against the secretary of state. >> ron's point is right on target because these are the grown-ups in the cabinet and a lot of people were reassured that you would have grown-ups in the room but now the grown-ups are realizing that they are basically in a room with toddlers. i think that that story from "politico," the fact that it leaked out is extraordinary, the fact that tillerson is not pushing back on is extraordinary. the fact that kushner would suggest that rex tillerson is unprofessional, so there's definitely trouble in paradise. >> this is the difficult, too, when you have a president without governing experience, that's fine, but is surrounded by people without governing experience. the most insular part of the white house has no experience in doing any of this. whether it's good or bad at some point you want people around you who have been through something like this before and to say, you know, there's a lot we don't know and we should put people in place who do know it, trust

them. i think a lot of people voted for donald trump saying i know he doesn't know a lot of this stuff. that's not the point, he's going to hire really good people, that's what a goodell gator does, i think that's the next challenge is to say i can do all of those things. >> we have to leave it there but that's exactly the problem with the white house counsel, the vetting, nonvetting of mike flynn, the problem that you have at the chief of staff level with all of the legislative strategy. to be continued. so glad to have you all here. ron, amy, charlie. and coming up, a top adviser to pope francis charged with sexual assault. a live report on a shocking report out of the vatican next. ♪ ♪ welcome to holiday inn! ♪ ♪

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i'm peter alexander back here in washington. shocking allegations against one of the highest ranking officials at the vatican and the pontiff's right-hand man when it comes to finances. sexual abuse charges being brought by australian police directed at this man, cardinal george pell. >> i'm innocent of these charges. they are false. the whole idea of sexual abuse is abhorrent to me.

>> cardinal pell is the highest ranking roman catholic official to ever face sexual assault charges. >> cardinal pell is facing multiple charges in respect to historic sexual offenses and there are multiple complainants relating to those charges. >> the 76-year-old pell holds one of the top three posts at the vet can, hand-picked by pope francis himself. joining us now from the vet can with the latest nbc's claudio la advantage goe. this man was brought in by pope francis, one who vowed to inform the church and promised zero tolerance on the issue of sexual abuse. what's the vatican saying about it today? >> reporter: peter, both cardinal pell and the vet can are taking this seriously of course. we attended a press conference early this morning. first george pell spoke as you heard there and after that it was the chance of the director of the holy press office and

paypal spokesperson who said that while the vatican regrets the allegations they kind of threw a lifeline to george pell by saying that they appreciated his honesty during his three years that he spent here as the head of the vatican finances, they appreciated his role as one of the [ inaudible ] -- and so forth. and also they confirmed that the pope allowed a leave of absence to george pell from his top post here, allowing him to travel to australia to attend that hearing. but of course as always here in the vatican you need to read between the lines so you need to understand what we don't know is whether that is a way for pope francis to allow george pell to slowly slip away from that post gracefully. peter. >> nbc's claudio lavanga is at

the vatican for us today. closer to home president trump's travel ban goes back into effect nationwide, places were visas are obtained later today, there after a supreme court ruling earlier this week lifting legal blocks of the action and upholding certain portions of the president's executive order. the supreme court also agreed to take up the controversial case for further review in the fall. nbc news is now confirmed that a modified version of the travel ban will be implemented beginning tonight at 8:00 and joining us now to break it down from washington with the latest on the revised action and it's implications is nbc's pete williams. pete, i want to ask you specifically about to whom this would apply but also if there are potential for legal recourse for those suggesting that the administration's interpretation of the court's decision -- well, isn't right? >> okay. on the first part what the government is saying here is they've interpreted the phrase in the supreme court ruling about having a close familial relationship, the travel ban will not apply if you have --

you are someone overseas and you have a close relationship with someone in the u.s. that means a parent, a child, a spouse, a son-in-law, a daughter -- sorry, a mother-in-law, a father-in-law. but it doesn't apply to fiancées, grandparents, aunts, uncle, nieces and nephews, cousins, other extended family members. what the government is saying is it takes this definition, this distinction it's making about who is close and who isn't from federal immigration law that defines what family is and who someone in the u.s. can sponsor to bring into the u.s. so they base the definition on that. as to your second question, could that invite litigation, the answer is yes. some groups that are looking at this are already saying that they think that this is not a fair distinction to be made, it's not in keeping with the spirit of the supreme court ruling and they are looking into whether they should contemplate

legal action. now, the other part of this of course is what about refugees because the supreme court ruling says if you have a relationship with a person or entity in the u.s. what does entity mean? apparently the government is saying, well, it doesn't mean a sponsoring organization like a church or a community group, that has agreed to sponsor someone's trip to the u.s. to become a refugee here, but what entity means, what it does mean, they apparently haven't if igd that out yet. the part about refugees doesn't go into effect until july 6th. two other points, refugees are already in the pipeline, who already have their travel papers, already allowed to come here and anybody who now has a visa in those six countries affected by the order will be allowed to get on a plane or on a boat or whatever and come to the u.s., and when they get here they won't be blocked. so the government says we shouldn't anticipate those scenes of chaos at the airport like we saw in early february when this first executive order

went into effect briefly before it was blocked by the courts. >> we will find out for ourselves beginning at 8:00 tomorrow. pete williams, thanks very much. coming up right here next on msnbc, power play, former u.s. ambassador samantha power her exclusive power with andrea mitchell about the travel ban, human rights and the trump presidency. that's next right here on "andrea mitchell reports."

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would pay a heavy price if it uses chemical weapons again, creating a new red line. the obama administration famously was criticized for not enforcing its red lines against the assad regime. the i asked president obama's former u.n. ambassador samantha power about that and the refugee crisis from the six-year syrian war here in aspen. >> i think that what breaks my heart about syria in addition to just every day any story you read about a syrian family is what i think "the new york times" recently described as the syrian-ization of the world. we will never know, but had we found a way and i have no -- you know, i had no silver bullet throughout, president obama was always very eager to hear solutions that sounded credible and executable and where it felt as though the benefits would outweigh the costs of the particular tool in play and nothing we argued about or

lobbied for ever crossed that threshold for him beyond the things that you've seen us do, but what's crushing is to look and see how having now 66 million displaced people in the world, a third of whom are syrian, how that affected the british decision-making on brexit, you know, how fear of refugees may even have been a factor in our election in the sense of two viewpoints, in the sense of the kind of hoard of uncontrollable migration happening not only of course from syria but also from north africa and elsewhere. so i think it's hard to say that the syria issue has not played a major role in the resurgence of terrorism and isil, the heart break of millions of families and more sort of psychic numbing around humanitarian suffering than we had experienced, you know, in many, i think, generations. >> with i in other aspects of our foreign policy when it comes to china and other countries.

and in a major speech to the workforce at the state department secretary tillerson said if we condition too heavily that others must adopt this value that we have come to after a long history of our own it really creates obstacles to our ability to advance our national security interests, our economic interests, to which you tweeted at the time, brutal thugs are smiling, human rights are not only u.s. values, they are universal. what is the impact of deemphasizing human rights in our foreign policies? >> well, first let me say that there are a set of very fair questions to ask about how you balance a range of equities in any given day of foreign policy or any given encounter and it's hard. i mean, you know, talking to an african leader about lbgt rights is no fun for our ambassadors around the world, that's not their favorite thing to go and do even if they believe they should because, you know,

criminalizing same-sex relationships is cruel and inhumane and in violation of the universal declaration of civil rights. talking to the saudi ambassador about women's rights and voting and driving and -- is no fun. so this administration is saying in a way like, hey, we're going to be more honest, we're going to just say that we're deemphasizing it and it's not going to be a factor, but they are going further than that in embracing people like dutarte in the philippines who is open about using force against people he says are drug users or involved in the drug trade but who have no due process and who are just being mowed down in the streets. he has been open in the past, not so much recently about his affection for and respect for vladimir putin. so that's not merely, you know, choosing to balance the variables in a different way. and yet one can be struck that

when we intervened in syria after the chemical weapons attack and bombed, you know, facilities involved in murdering civilians that the language was the language of human rights and about children who shouldn't be killed by their government. when we try to reverse some of the steps on the cuba normalization process that we had unleashed, again, last week or whatever that was, the language was all about human rights in cuba. now, what won't work is to give speeches about deemphasizing and other speeches about embracing, you know, bloody leaders and then turning around and invoking human rights. >> and that was samantha power talking about human rights in foreign policy now under the trump administration and of course what happened under obama. coming up, stop the presses. president trump taking on a newspaper owner on twitter. a major owner. you're watching "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc.

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amazonwashingtonpost sometimes referred to as guardian of amazon not paying internet taxes, which they should, is fake news." joining me is jillian ted, the u.s. managing director tf the "financial times" and steve case, ceo of revolution, the founder and chairman of the case foundation and co-founder of aol. welcome both. steve, first to you, you know this world so well, the president of the united states inaccurately, by the way, tweeting against jeff bezos on his taxes, but it's because of who he is and who jeff bezos is now as a newspaper publisher, it's a threatening tweet. >> yeah. no, it's completely inappropriate and obviously i'm a big fan of the internet, a big user of twitter, but the president of the united states should not be attacking the press essentially in this case because of jeff's ownership of "the washington post." he's attacking jeff or this morning attacking, you know, mika and "morning joe." it's not just not an appropriate use of the medium.

his focus should go to what he said he would do as president, focus on creating jobs in the middle of the country, hopefully a key focus backing start-ups in the middle of the country so we can create more jobs for more people in more places and not be focusing on debating these things on twitter. >> and jillian, how are people around the world in europe and elsewhere looking at the chaos really, which is the first few months? >> the tweets have left foreign governments around the world scratching their heads. i mean, several foreign ministry have set up entire desks just to monitor the tweets. what's becoming clear is it's really about the three ds as far as trump is concerned. he's out to disintermediate year to date the media and talk direct to voters, out to destabilize people, and he's being effective there, and he's out to distract us all from other issues. the very fact we're sitting here right now with so many important economic issues around the world talking about these tweets indicates so-in some ways his

trat ji is working. >> there is a g-20 next week and we've heard angela merkel tay to the effect, paraphrasing, we no longer count on america, which is stunning because she is someone who uses words very carefully. >> the other thing angela merkel came out this morning and gave a blistering speech about is the fact that she is calling out donald trump about protectionism. and there is rising concern in europe about this protectionist impulses coming out of the white house. we've already had flashpoints about things like lumber, wood from canada, now steel in the crosshairs. that in many ways is a big issue worrying the g-20 and g-7. >> i think obviously president trump, his success in business, particularly in real estate, was because sometimes it's a rough and tumble business and sometimes you have to be in attack mode. i think he decided he always wants to be playing offense, not defense. i understand that history, but as the president of the united states you have a different set of responsibilities in terms of how you carry yourself, what messages you send and he really

does need to deliver on the promise he's made. there are lot of people in this country that feel left out and left behind. most of p venture capital has gone to the coast as a result, a lot of people's jobs have been lost in the middle of the country. that's why he won, how do you make sure you're creating jobs for people in the middle of the country and that should be the focus, not these side issues, this battle with fake news and thing like that. >> steve, the explicit promise to pap latan an latch ya, kentu virginia, is i'm bringing back coal and that's not really viable. >> my hope is he'll try to focus on the jobs of the future and not the jobs of the past. i met with them last week, gary cohn, bill wur ross, secretary of commerce and a lot of the focus was on sprentrepreneurshi the national immigration rule, prosecutorial gets put in lace july 17th. hopefully they'll keep that in

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question i wonder is whether there are people who can work with people like you to actually deliver. do you have much confidence? >> i think the jury's out. this administration has only been in place a few months. i appreciate the fact last week was tech week and they focused on these issues but as the issue of tax reform gets on, simplifying the code or lowering the rates, part of their focus, how do you create the right incentives to get the capital flowing to entrepreneurs in the middle of the country, create more jobs and have more incentive. hopefully that will be the focus in the coming months. >> we have to leave it there. foh rheumatoid arthritis. because there are options. like an "unjection™". xeljanz xr. a once daily pill for adults with moderate to severe ra for whom methotrexate did not work well. xeljanz xr can reduce pain, swelling and joint damage, even without methotrexate. xeljanz xr can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. serious, sometimes fatal infections, lymphoma and other cancers have happened.

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thank you for joining us. follow us @mitchellreports. now for my friend katy tur back in new york. >> hey, there, andrea. lovely in aspen. i'm katy tur in for craig melvin. a busy news day. travel ban 2.0. parts of president trump's controversial executive order begin to take effect today. who will be impacted and what kind of confusion can we expect? health care hail mary. senate republicans ru s rushing revamp obamacare. can they get a new bill written by tomorrow? and ready to deal. if republicans bite the bullet and do extend a hand to find a bipartisan solution to fix health care, are democrats ready to negotiate? we start with the white house travel ban which goes into effect in about seven hours. monday the supreme court