allison grimes, kentucky's secretary of state. good to see you. thank you for being with us. >> thank you, ali. before we go, we want to recognize the hard work in this chair during this hour by greta vann z van sustren. "hardball" is next. trump's back for round two. let's play hardball. good evening, i'm steve kornacki in for chris matthews. trump fired off crude tweets about the iq and the looks of morning joe host mika and tweeted again calling it low

rated and bad. that wasn't the only newsworthy tweet and the new direction on the health care fight with the number of conservatives who want to focus first on just repealing obamacare and then dealing with the question of how to go about replacing it, notably, that approach contradicts what the president said in the past. he's urged previous congress to simultaneously repeal and replace the health care plan. more on that reversal coming up. we begin though with the president's big twitter fight. they return to their show, and offered their own rebuttals to what he said on twitter yesterday. >> i'm fine. my family brought me up really tough. this is absolutely nothing. but i think for me personally. but i am very concerned as to what this once again reveals about the president of the united states. >> calls and texts and e-mails and we're okay, the country is not.

this is one of the most dangerous times in recent american history and we have a president who is attacking a cable news host because she dared make a joke about a time magazine cover. >> it's not just joe and mika hitting back. more and more republicans have come out with a simple message for the president. put the phone down. >> it's a tweet that was reckless. it was juvenile. and it was, again, a distraction from the standpoint of the legislative activity. he needs to put the twitter account away. >> that's a tweet not even becoming of a city councilman. i know it feels better, but he needs to rise above this. quite frankly, i think that tweet was below the office of the presidency. >> i just thought it was disappointing as a female who's been in elected office for many years. i've been subjected to this for many years and it's not okay. >> despite the growing criticism from those in his own party, the

president still refusing to back down on this. nbc's kristen welker joins me now live from the white house. we know the official white house position is the president if hit, will hit back ten times as hard. the conversation in the white house, behind the scenes, are they saying something different? what are they saying about this when it's not on the record? >> reporter: i think there's an acknowledgment there is a frustration with the fact that this is stepping on the president's own message. but more importantly, his own agenda, steve. if you look at the briefing yesterday, it was on camera. as you know, those are becoming less and less frequent, but the briefing was largely dominated by questions about this topic. about why he felt the need to exchange with mika and joe, cable news hosts, why he felt as though it was okay to make this very personal attack and of course, a lot of folks within the administration want to be working on things like health

care, like tax reform. yesterday, we satarted out the day about north korea, a new round of sanctions aimed at north korea. that was initially going to be the focus of my day. instead, it turned into reporting on the reaction to that tweet, what you just played. all of the reaction on capitol hill, but i think the concern comes when you start to ask the question, what does it mean practically speaking for his agenda? does it mean fewer republican lawmakers are going to be willing to try to work with him on health care, to try to get over some of the challenges and concerns that they have when it comes to passing the senate bill, for example, and i think that's when it goes from a controversy to being something that really gets in the way of what he promised his own base he would accomplish and what the people here within the white house want to accomplish. the white house publicly digging in, but you're right. behind the scenes, there is some concern that, yet again, he sort of stepped on his own message, all due to twitter.

>> kristen welker over there at the white house, kristen. thank you for that. the president's associates struggled to respond to the crude twitter attack at the aspen ideas festival. also, the wife of mitch mcconnell and asked about that tweet, her response, the president is new to politics. >> how do you respond to something like that when the president is making comments like that? >> well, the president is a citizen as well. and he says what he wants to say. he's not in politics. and so he's not used to the usual restraints that people in public service have. and so, you know, he's new. he will adapt and he'll learn. >> i assume you do not agree with a comment like that though. you can tell us if you do agree. >> no, i don't agree. >> meanwhile, trump advisor kellyanne conway walked a delicate line defending the president's right to respond,

though not necessarily defending the message itself. >> the president normally does not draw first blood. he is a counter puncher, as he said, on the campaign trail. >> do you endorse what the president sent out in those tweets? >> i endorse the president's right to fight back when he is being mercilessly attacked and the air waves are filled with raw sewage about him and his fitness for office. >> do you endorse the president's comments, the attacks issue and apparentand a >> i never said that. i endorse his aid and abet bili back when attacked. >> i'm joined by joy reid. and a republican strategist, joy, let me start with you. looking, alain chao, trying to come up with something. and it raises a question. this president, especially with

this tweet, we've seen it a million other times, he breaks the rules of politics that have existed for every other politician of his party and the democratic party. and it makes it impossible, if you're an ally of his, it makes it impossible to speak for him because his allies are still trying to play by those rules. how can you justify conduct that breaks those rules? >> i mean, it's interesting to watch all of these republicans treating a 71-year-old man like a 12-year-old who got into a fight at school. and a parent that's refusing to admit their kid is in the wrong. they're dancing around the core issue of whether what he said is beneath the dignity of the office and even those who admitted it was. the republicans come out with the furrowed brows. donald trump has been speaking this way for like 30 something years. he's always been this guy. the same people endorsed and voted for access hollywood and endorsed and this guy who said vulgar things about his daughter when he knew he was recorded and

everybody could hear him. donald trump has been publicly vulgar his whole adult life. these people looking shocked, it's completely ungenuine. they want him to be quiet so they can get back to taking people's health care. >> let me ask you about that. we heard alain said new to politics, he'll learn, he'll mature. i heard versions of that, variations of that at every twist and turn of the 2016 campaign. i remember at one point, donald trump said, hey, you don't think i'm presidential right now? i promise you, i'll be very presidential, the most presidential you've ever seen. it isn't going to change, is it? >> you know what? i don't think it's going to. what's really sad is not only does it put the white house staff on alert because he sends out these tweets and the whole news day is spent on that, but he puts republican pundits. people like me, we have to come on and we have to make a decision, are we going to defend

it? are we going to let it get by? you have to realize something. it puts republicans in a very strange position because although we agree with donald trump politically, as a republican on the republican platform, the problem of it, how do we say that when he sends out a tweet? because personally, we want to leave him in the dust, but politically, we agree with him. it's a mixed bag. >> let me ask you from this perspective then. because i've heard the argument and completely understand it that, hey, you've got a republican president, republican senate, republican house. there's a chance here for the republican party to get things done. donald trump, if he would just tweet about policy, if he'd stop picking fights, it would get things done. can you conclude after six months, can you look at donald trump and say, he actually cares about that agenda? >> you know what? we hope he cares about it. but here's what i'd love to say. so many republicans from the pundits to the media to people,

you know, congressional, people in congress, people on the senate have said this, mr. president, put down your twitter. or if you are going to use twitter, at least say things that are productive. what i don't understand is that he won. he's there. mika and joe, he's in the industry. i've got to tell you guys, he was in the tv industry. he knows what happens. he knows political shows. they analyze and they talk about presidents. fox news did it about obama. so this is no big surprise. why he's letting this get under his skin is bizarre and i'd love to say what michelle obama said. when they go low, we go high. and i'm asking him, he needs to go high, really high. this is unbelievable. >> but isn't the oz come's ra r

razor? you all were willing to endorse this guy. he's always been this guy. the agenda you're talking about is paul ryan and mitch mcdonnell connell. it's not his. donald trump doesn't even necessarily know what in the health care bill. he wants something to do rallies so more people can fill the dark void. he needs praise every day. there's stories about him going to his staff today and said, i know that wasn't presidential, but wasn't that sweet amazing? this is a person who everybody told y'all was fundamentally unfit to be president and surprise, he is. >> i think they need to focus on the issues. they need to ignore it. >> what issues? >> the twitter war. >> on working together. that's all we have. >> but what does trump believe about health care? what do you think his beliefs are about that? >> you know, it's hard to tell. i'll be honest with you. it's hard to tell because every time there is a message out of the white house, sometimes, he

sends a tweet that contradicts it. and i think that's what republican pundits and a lot of republican people on television have to deal with. we have to cipher through that and find the real meaning. so you know, but in the bottom line, the american people, we're the ones that are getting hurt by this. so i would encourage everybody who needs to cross that aisle and put politics aside, put twitter aside, and cross that aisle and work together. >> but let me ask the question this way, joy. you're saying all of the things that happened during the campaign, and he won anyway, and i think he looks at it right now and i'm curious what you think the lever is for people who don't like this kind of conduct from the president of the united states, he looks at this, i'm imagining his psychology like this. i went through an entire presidential campaign where i crossed about a thousand red lines and people said you can't cross and win. i was at a 35% personal favorable rating min the polls,i was told to get blown out. i got elected president. how can you look at me.

crossed another red line. why am i supposed to listen to you now? >> i think would be right. and understands the base of the republican party. it turns out when you add in republican lenors and understands much better than paul ryan and mitch mcconnell and most people don't want to either. promised them they wouldn't. he understands them. i think we have to stop sort of rocking the voter in a cradle. these people approve of it. there are people in this country fine with donald trump being this way. they affirmatively like it. they want him to keep doing what he's doing. so the idea that republicans will change to paul ryan? >> from democratic standpoint, that's what i'm curious about. because he's broken so many norms for lack of a better term in the political system and causes such alarm on the left and democrats, but i wonder, is that an effective message to use

against them that he's broken the norms or is that not going to change what we saw happen? >> we may be in a postpresidential period and may reset the expectations of what a president is. he's much more of a showman than he is somebody who's interested in legislation or policy like barack obama or carries the bearing of the country or the image around the world. more embarrassing than bearing himself like a president. if that's what the presidency is, i think they kind of are. what democrats need to do is math and how to get the rest of the voters and the other 62% of voters to get up off the couch and vote for something better and let me present them something better because trying to beg the 38% to change their minds about a guy they've known as long as they've been watching the apprentice seems like the most incredible waste of time ever. go find enough people among the 62%. there are more of them, voted for hillary clinton. do better at politics. learn how to run an election.

find people who don't like it and don't approve and get them to vote. >> joy reid, noelle, thank you. lively discussion, appreciate that. today's the day mitch mcconnell planned to have the republican health care plan pass through the senate. president trump threw a wrench into the whole thing and called for an outright repeal of obamacare. this is a contradiction of repeal and replace, for many republicans. and voter fraud commission wants the history of every american including names, addresses, birth dates and party registration. state officials from both parties are refusing to comply. next week, trump will meet with russian president vladimir putin at the g-20 summit already. moscow thinks putin can win major concessions when the two leaders meet and into the

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possible collusion during the 2016 presidential election. peter smith, a long time republican consultant did not have a formal position with the trump campaign but they report that peter smith attempted to independently acquire hacked e-mails that he believed might have been stolen from hillary clinton's private server. in doing so, according to the article, mr. smith said he and his colleagues found five groups of hackers who cling to possess mrs. clinton's deleted e-mails including two groups he determined were russians. did not work for trump's campaign, e-mails written by mr. smith and one of his associates show that his small group

considered mr. michael flynn in his consulting company, flynn intel group to be allies in their quest. for more, joined by the reporter who wrote the story. shane harris, thank you for this. walk us through this because you've got a couple of things here. i want to try to pin down here the name michael flynn comes up. the idea of a republican political consultant, not formally part of the campaign but interesting in electing trump and the idea of stolen e-mails and contact with the russians. what exactly do you know here? >> smith launched this effort over labor day weekend officially last year before as the campaign was entering the home stretch. he theorized that hackers had obtained access to secretary clinton's private e-mail server and likely pulled e-mails off of that that claimed she deleted and would reveal about the benghazi attack and no evidence why that would be the case but

suspected mrs. clinton was deleting the e-mails to cover up something nefarious. that gets linked together with the trump campaign because mr. smith was telling people that he was talking to mike flynn about what he was doing. this quest to find the supposedly hacked e-mails, and e-mails to his associates, mr. smith wrote that he wanted to make introductions to people he was trying to recruit and to mike flynn's son who was then running the group and that consulting company was actually called out in one e-mail we looked at to a recruitment e-mail as being among a small group of people working with peter smith in this endeavor. he's really painting a portrait of mike flynn as somebody who knows what peter smith is up to and as peter smith tells the story and others we've talked to said flynn was supportive of it. >> he talked to a group of, several groups of hackers here that had potentially gotten some of these e-mails, two of the groups are russians. do we know, do you know, are those the same russian hackers

we talk about when we talk about meddling in the u.s. election? >> it's a great question. we don't know that. he told me they believe they would make contact with hackers as he put it around the russian government. and it's important to note too he didn't believe that russia had hacked the dnc to interfere with the election. had a fairly complex view of the things and believe it was plausible russians have hacked hillary clinton. what he was really interested in getting at though were those e-mails and he was prepared to negotiate with whoever claimed to have them and he actually set up a process to try and vet those e-mails to determine whether or not they were authentically hers or possibly been manipulated and made to look like they were her e-mails. >> wall street. it's a fascinating report. if you haven't read it yet, shane harris, thank you for taking a few minutes. appreciate it. >> president trump up ends the health care negotiations by offering republicans a brand new idea. he says maybe they should just

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one that keeps you connected to what matters most. welcome back. senate majority leader mitch mcconnell, working to cobble together a health care deal, donald trump tossed a curve ball into this. tweeting, if republican senators are unable to pass what they are working on now, they should immediately repeal and then replace at a later date. president isn't actually alone in this idea. two allies, kentucky senator rand paul and nebraska senator ben sass, who told this to reporters. >> i want repeal and replace. if we can do both, i'm good with this. if we fail, we should separate the two.

we made a promise to repeal obamacare and we should keep our promises. >> in accordance to axios, less than a popular. saying the repeal and replace not going to happen. another said the chances of it working were zero. where things stand, ben white, reporter with politico and sean sullivan, political reporter with "the washington post." let me start with you and tell me if your sources are telling you anything different than what we just quoted there, but if this is an idea that's probably a non-starter with republicans, the idea of let's just repeal it now and then we'll get next few months and deal with the replacement. if that's a non-starter, do we know why donald trump is improviimprovsbroou sbroousing this idea right now? >> no appetite to do this among republican senators. if you heard mitch mcconnell, what president trump is saying might happen next is actually the opposite of what mcconnell is saying. he's saying, if this falls

apart, work with democrats and find compromise with trump and sass are saying is the opposite. if this doesn't work, just repeal and then worry about replacement afterwards. but my reporting suggests there's no appetite beyond paul and sass really to get this thing done and raises the question of why president trump would do this at this time. >> you know in the financial world and the business world, somebody like sass said if you repeal now and delay it by a year, that's leverage with the democrats but then they say, we can't let it go all together and come to the table. i'm not sure it would work that way at all but from the standpoint of the business world, the health insurance industry, the markets, all of those things. if that were to happen to health care in limbo like that, how

would the business world respond to that? >> obviously, they don't want that kind of massive uncertainty about what happens in the giant piece of the economy. but i think talking about it in these kind of terms is a little bit ridiculous because it's just not going to happen. the votes are not there among senate republicans to do a full repeal and maybe get replaced. mcconnell doesn't want to do it and the big problem for the big community is what does it mean for tax reform? because if they're going to do a repeal vote and replace vote, those take up the two budget resolutions that were supposed to pass a repeal and replace and then a big tax reform bill. if one for repeal and one for replace, no room for tax reform through reconciliation. that would be massively negative for the business community. i think plenty of white house advisors keen to move on to tax reform who doesn't want to do it this way. both terrible for the health insurance industry and for wall street and markets for broadly if not going to be tax reform. >> if this is a non-starter, you

raise the possibility there of moving, of republicans trying to move in a bipartisan direction and trying to get democrats involved. maybe you can explain this for me because the republican position as far as i can understand is that obamacare is on the brink of collapse and threatened freedom in the country and the democratic position is that the republican plan will result in people being killed. how can you reconcile those possibly? >> it may actually be impossible. part of what mitch mcconnell is doing by bringing this up is pressure his own republican senators. trying to go to them and say, if we can't get the votes that we need to pass our bill, well, you know what? i'm going to work across the aisle and i think for a lot of republicans, that kind of scares them. they don't like the idea of working with democrats and you're right, democrats said, look, we'll work with you but you need to stop your demands that you're going to repeal this law. once you do that, then we'll work with you. i don't think we're anywhere near that point yet. i think there's a lot of republicans who want to repeal

at least key parts of the law and find some replace pcements that. it's hard to imagine chuck schumer and mitch mcconnell negotiating some sort of bipartisan deal, even a narrow one. so i think right now, it really is about pressuring republicans. that's what mcconnell is trying to do. a picture of what that would look like. >> and saying repeal this, it's hard for me to see them saying, look, let's leave it alone after all this. but who knows, we've come farther down this road than i thought people thought we would. thank you for joining us. enjoy the holiday weekend. president trump's election integrity commission is seeking the voting history and personal data of nearly every registered voter in the country. in some states, republican and democrat, are pushing back. this is "hardball," where the action is. david. what's going on? oh hey! ♪ that's it? yeah. ♪ everybody two seconds! ♪ "dear sebastian,

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welcome back to "hardball." nearly half of the states have now rejected a request from president trump's voter fraud commission asking them to provide information on their registered voters. the vice chairman of the commission that's kansas secretary of state chris who wrote a letter to election officials in all 50 states that asked for the names of voters, their addresses, dates of birth, political party registration, as well as the last four digits of their social security numbers. commission also requested their voting histories. in an interview with msnbc, he defended the request. >> this is publicly available. why not look at the data, it's publicly available and look at the cards on the table and show the american public how significant the issue is. it's just fact finding. >> but state officials from both parties are already voicing

their concern. >> there's no reason to provide this data. again, we don't know why they want this. there's information that's publicly available. we operate excellent election sl here in rhode island. it's fair, efficient, and accurate and no evidence of widespread fraud. so, you know, we're not going to comply with this and as i say, i'm alarmed they're even asking for it. >> by and large, i would be very hesitant to send out voter data that's available here in arkansas into a national database. >> here's how deputy press conference sarah huckabee sanders responded in an off camera briefing today. >> i think that that's mostly a political stunt. we're asking, this is a commission that's asking for publicly available data and the fact that these governors wouldn't be willing to turn that over, this is something that's been part of the commission's discussion which has bipartisan support and none of the members raised any concern whatsoever.

>> even his own state of kansas not handing over all of its voter data. kansas will not be sharing the social security information that the commission is requesting. not publicly available information, they say. i'm joined now by advancement project codirector judith brown. thank you for joining us. >> thanks. >> so kansas says they've got an issue with the social security numbers, the last four digits of the social security. they're not going to hand that over, but you heard him say basically what i'm looking for here is publicly available information. you can walk in and find out who's registered, what party, when the last election, is that true and if that's true, what's the objection here? >> well, i mean, not so fast, right? even in his own state, he's the person who put up the letter requesting this information. the last four digits of the social security number is not

available. here's the problem. we have to look at this in a larger context. we are talking about people who are in place, this is a set-up for voter suppression. who are the characters in this movie we're watching? kris cobach is the architect and then jeff sessions who said that the voting rights act was an intrusion on states rights and he's separately sent out a request to the states and then a former doj person who wants to make it harder to vote for everyone across the country part of this, you know, effort to suppress the vote that is really making it harder for people. >> you do not trust the principles that are involved here. they're requesting this information. if they get this information, a lot of these states saying no, and then specifically, what do you fear they do with it? >> i think what's used is it's a platform for them to try and go

after not only the voting rights act but the national voter registration act which is the law that governs who gets on the roles and who doesn't get on the roles. and what they're after is trying to figure out a way to put in place a law to make it harder to get on and get kicked off the roles? they're going to also use it to really harass people. we know that these are folks that are trying to go after the mythical voter fraud. but time and again, the republican party has tried to prove voter fraud and they have come up short in every instance. but what they have done is in other instances, if they want to talk about voter integrity and making sure our elections run well, then what they should be doing is invests in our systems and making sure that more people can participate easily. >> we should point out on this specific issue though right now, it is bipartisan, the objection to this. you've got republicans and democrats out there saying, no

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welcome back to "hardball." you're starting to make plans for your holiday weekend and hit the road. guess what? congress has already hit the road. they're going to be off for the next ten days. it's their fourth of july recess and they have reached this recess at a place that mitch mcconnell, the top republican and the senate did not want to be. remember, the goal of this week for republicans is that by the time today, right, that recess began, they would have passed through the senate that health care that obamacare replacement plan.

obviously, it didn't happen. the future sis uncertain. here's what's on the republican minds as they go home. the polling on this thing has been absolutely atrocious. we have four polls out just in the last few days. some version of the question, what do you think of the senate health care bill. what do you think of the republican health care lan, apl. all the polls have one thing in common, sometimes close as two, three, or four times as much opposition. republicans say, am i stirring trouble here politically that i cannot afford? but why still on the table? why wouldn't they just walk away in the face of numbers like this? they think this issue is ultimately a more complicated one when it comes to public opinion. keep in mind from the nbc news "wall street journal" poll, should they still be trying to

repeal and replace obamacare or should they give that up? you ask voters overall, the divide is really right down the middle on that question. what republicans think is they still think there's a lot of dissatisfaction with obamacare and a lot of room for a different plan to emerge. maybe not the one that they have right now, but they don't necessarily think those poll numbers i showed you a minute ago are indicative of where this would end up. that seems to be the political calculation that they have right now, but they're going home to their constituents and what they hear may have a lot to do with it and amid the poll numbers, lawmakers going back. they're going to some of the town halls that included one down there in the bayou. louisiana senator bill cassidy in baton rouge. look at what happened. >> i'll tell you what's rude. kicking 22 million people off their health care in this country who you know you cannot afford it. you worked at the earl k.

hospital. so to kick them off their health care, that's cruel, sir. i think what you need to do as a louisianian is going back to washington, dc and stand up for the people here saying we need our health care. >> i am doing my best to make sure that we continue coverage, care for those with preexisting conditions, eliminate mandates, and lower premiums. and that is my commitment and that is what i'm working for. >> let's bring in the "hardball" round table. beth fouhy, senior editor for politics and nick compasori. republicans have to have his vote if he's going to have this. this is mitch mcconnell's fear. if he didn't get it done today, they go home and they hear,

you're on this. it can't help the odds of passage. >> i've been to a no more umbern halls. the message is the same over and over. it's don't do this. you can't possibly do this. don't take away my health care. there's that period of time where republicans were accusing those who came to the town halls of being paid protesters and when you interview them, sure, some might be involved in some of the groups like indivisible or some such thing but they're local constituents and a bunch of people who say they've never been to a little meeting before ever, they might ever but never activists but suddenly this issue is motivating them. a world of hurt back at home. you just showed the polls. politicians are not in the business of passing major bills that's 12% popularity. >> if you're mitch mccconnell, o

you try to cut a deal with democrats? is that even possible? do you try to appease the moderates, lose conservatives, go after the conservatives and lose moderates? is there a way to thread the needle when you can only afford two defections? >> of course, the same way obama got it passed. cut some side deals, buy some votes, do some kickback provisions, and that's how you get it done. that's how these bills always kind of pass in the end. the problem they're having right now, the reason it's at 12% is the flip side. negotiating the whole thing in secret. if you don't pass major legislation out in the open or build a case for it or have good answers to the hard questions or can't get out this and defend it and be happy about your own bill, then that's going to be one sided and we see a totally one sided debate. one side is quiet and everybody else is piling on top of them. >> i keep thinking back to the health care debate.

the obamacare debate. democrats, it was very tough for them to argue the specifics and litigate the specifics of that and a lot of ways, that's why they got beat so badly in 2010. but the goal was clear. trying to get close to universal coverage as ever been and trying to protect people. you could easily articulate that. this is not a clean repeal of obamacare. this really is just sort of a replacement. i think it's hard for republicans right now to just narrow it down. here is what we're trying to do. >> when nay get specific, that's when they get into a lot of trouble. nick's point is very good. being secretive and say, we're going to tweak some of the regulations and roll this back. when you ask them what they're talking about, you realize they're not going to cover the same procedures they were doing before. you're taking away some health care. going to roll back some of the regulations which is really a tax cut. when people started seeing and understanding what is in this

legislation, it is not good. it is not popular. that's why you're seeing what was describing in the town hall meetings. >> if it's at death's doorstep, what would the next move be for republicans? could they say, guys, the house, the senate, the white house, we couldn't get it done with the basics. could they do a kind of compromise? where would they go? >> there's been the discussion they'll do a deal with democrats and to me, makes a whole lot of sense. we can get the parties together, they can make negotiate something to give a little. they'll get something back and then trump who all he wants is to be able to clear a win to say, hey, this worked out because of me. that seems like a very possible way for them to go. of course, it may not work in the house. the senate is a much more generally bipartisan environment than the house is and the house may not want to deal with anything with all the democrats input. >> it's like a game of whack amole when you're a kid. one here and it comes up over here. round table staying with us. trump will come face-to-face

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we are back where a hardball roundtable. president trump and russian president vladimir putin will meet for the first time at next week's g-20 summit in germany. officials have expressed concerns about this meeting, the leader can extract major concessions from president donald trump. let me start with you, is this going to be a public meeting? one of the things on the side we hear a little bit about later? do you think donald trump -- do

you think the sanctions will come up at all. >> half the country thinks the president is in cahoots with the guy who he's going to meet with. his white house is under investigation for collusion with the russian intelligence. and vladimir putin has spent a huge amount of time trying to disrupt our democracy. how will the president handle this meeting, is he going to push back on some of this stuff? will he stand firm on some of the sanctions or is he going to follow his own foreign policy here? which is to get putin on his side to arrange things for isis? >> who does trump think his audience is. is his audience the skeptics? he's in cahoots with putin? that's going to be the question. if he acts presidential, and

doesn't address some of the policy issues, he treats this as a normal meeting, and doesn't -- he will just add fuel to the fire. >> that's next week. quick break. on the other side, the roundtable is staying with us, these three are going to tell me something i don't know.

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back with the hardball roundtable. beth, tell me something i don't know. >> today is the last day of june, and donald trump has not acknowledged pride month. he has broken with tradition from obama and clinton who acknowledged it every year. >> i knew it was june 30th, i didn't know the second part. >> in honor of july 4th, independence day is actually july 2nd which is the day the continental congress had a vote to declare independence. july 4th is the day they approved the draft language. >> can we still bbq july 4th? >> after donald trump attacked morning joe on twitter, he did 12 tweets about policy, number 13 was about morning joe again. so he had discipline for a limb while. >> did somebody else do the other 12, and then the real guy

came back? >> that is hardball for now, thanks for being with us, all in with chris hayes starts right now. tonight on all in. >> russia, if you're listening, i hope you're able to find the 30,000 e-mails that are missing. >> the question of collusion. new theorys about michael flynn's role and links to russian hackers. >> if russia or china or any other country has those e-mails, i mean, to be honest with you, i'd love to see them. >> states fight backs as the administration asks for voter information. >> let's find out how many errors are there. >> now, the white house accused of trying to coerce the cable news hosts. >> if you call the president up and apologize for your coverage, then he will pick up