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when heartburn hits fight back fast with new tums chewy bites. fast relief in every bite. crunchy outside. chewy inside. tum tum tum tum new tums chewy bites. back with you at the top of the hour from msnbc headquarters in new york city. we follow the series of attacks from the president's twitter account. the latest one coming in jus this morning, slamming cnn. it's the latest assault on the press in recent days. that's overshadowing the president's agenda, the senate's plan to pass a health care, and the g20 in germany. but the stakes are even higher with trump planning to meet with russian president vladamir putin for the very first time on the sidelines of the g20 summit.
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kelly o'donnell joins us right now from new jersey. kelly, what is the reaction from the roving white house, if you will, on these latest tweets? >> reporter: well, it's a mixed reaction, because we've been requesting comment from senior white house officials really all day, because this tweet went out early this morning, and we've had no response. it is a holiday weekend, of course. but the president did have some of his team on television, including his homeland security adviser, who talked about the president and his social media plat porm and the fact that he feels the need to defend himself. the president foreshadowed this last night when he flew back to new jersey for a few hours, then back again. he attended an independence day weekend event where the president spoke to a group that gathered, evangelicals, the christian community and honoring the veterans.
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but he used that platform to salute those served and to take on the media. he brought to light some of the other tweets he put out when he spoke to that crowd last night. here was the president back in washington. >> the fake media is trying to silence us. but we will not let them. their agenda is not your agenda. you've been saying it. >> reporter: and the president, of course, is working hard to chip away at what he thinks is unflattering, unfair, uneven coverage. but there's always been tension between presidencies, white houses, government officials, and the media. but this has reached a point where the president is certainly trying to also get his supporters to not trust what is reported. and so that raises lots of other issues, especially on a fourth
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of july weekend where we honor all the things that make the u.s. a special place. certainly freedom of the press is one of those elements that makes the country celebrate on a fourth of july weekend. so the president's feud has come to life in his twitter feed, with the video that he put out and what he said to those gathered last night in washington. richard? >> thank you so much, kelly. nbc's kelly o'donnell in new jersey. following the holiday break, president trump heads to germany to participate in the g20 summit. that's the gathering of the world's top economic powers. russia will be in attendance, as president trump is expected to have his first face-to-face meeting with russian president vladamir putin there. the topic of russian interference in the presidential election has dominated much of the trump administration's first 164 days in office. joining us now, sarah westwood, white house correspondent for the washington examiner, and ken vogel from "the new york times." sar
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sarah, what's the word you're hearing in terms of the president preparing for not only the overall gathering at the summit, but his specific meeting with vladamir putin? >> reporter: the white house recognizes that they will be under an enormous amount of pressure to confront putin about the election meddling. it's clear that if for no other reason than to avoid the backlash back home that would occur if trump did not bring up election meddling, i think the white house is trying to find a way to inject election meddling without acknowledging the seriousness of the hacks in a way that would satisfy democratic critics. president trump continues to believe a politically motivated witch hunt. he has not fully embraced russia's role in the election hacks. so this is a difficult path for the white house to walk.
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but everyone recognizes they are going to face a serious controversy if they don't bring up election meddling. >> the president did not admit to russian meddling up until somewhat recently, maybe two weeks ago. so the force and language he may use with vladamir putin is in question. this as the white house saying that there is no specific agenda for the meeting. >> yeah. it's a very difficult, diplomatic line he has to walk here. as we've seen thus far in his interactions with other world leaders, he hasn't always taken this diplomatic course to these interactions. he's been very antagonistic with some traditional alliallies.
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president trump did raise the russia investigation in a way that was seen as sort of absolving russia, suggesting in their direct interactions this was a political witch hunt and his firing of james comey, this interaction in the oval office came just after the firing of jim comey, would take pressure off of him. obviously that hasn't happened and putting moes more pressure meeting. >> that was the criticism, right, sarah? were top secret pieces of information discussed that should not have been discussed then? and they that happen again when he meets with vladamir putin? >> reporter: that's always a concern with president trump. he's very unpredictable. but the white house has learned from events like that.
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we've seen fewer gaffes when it comes to interactions with foreign leaders. there were several concentrated in the beginning of his presidency, when he had a very heated call and yelled at the australian prime minister over an immigration deal that president obama struck. we've seen fewer incidents like that. specifically since h.r. mcmaster has come in, that's been one of the most professional and organized operations within the white house. but that's clearly a concern, because there was a huge blowup over how friendly president trump was with the russian foreign minister, which was a little unusual and unorthodox. so that is one of the concerns that critics will have. when they watch president trump speak with vladamir putin, a lot of armchair analysts will pore over those photographs. >> we have five ongoing investigations, four congressional, one from the special counsel here.
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the scrutiny that is going to happen underneath this meeting will be quite high. higher than any other meeting with a russian leader. some might even ask should he be meeting with vladamir putin? >> in fact, putin is also under pressure to show that he can be tough and command respect from the united states. obviously, even before the trump administration and all the questions about russian meddling in the investigation, the relationship between these two countries was very fraught. putin faces pressure at home. we've seen protests in russia over alleged corruption. he has to show he's being tough with donald trump as far as the armchair analysis of it. it's going to get down to the body language. putin, famously a judo master. president trump, famous for his aggressive hand shakes. and we should point out sort of
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an open question as to how much of an actual readout we're going to get. because only the beginning is likely to be on camera. much of the conversation will be private. we've seen readouts from the american administration where they said the meeting went differently. >> sarah, it will be a angela merkel no hand shake or justin trudeau, i can handle this hand shake? >> the million dollar question, president trump will go in or a hand shake. i think you'll see a lot of people scrutinizing even the small detail of that. >> let the tweets ensue. sarah, ken, thank you both. >> thank you, richard. we've heard the cbo's prediction how many people stand to lose coverage under the gop's
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the proposed replacement of obamacare has raised concern about the loss of health care, but lost in the debate here is the risk to thousands of jobs in that industry. a new study suggests under the health care plan, the economy would lose 1 million jobs in ten years in the health care industry. the health care sector has been steadily adding jobs since obamacare helped more people gain access to coverage. but cuts to medicaid and subsidies could reverse that trend. let's bring in seth harris. thanks for being with us. the number we've been talking
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about so much here is that $1 in $6 today in our economy related to health care. it is the largest industry in america. we talk about that study, it is suggesting there will be about 800,000 jobs created by repealing taxes. would that not offset the job lost based on reduced funding? >> no, it doesn't, richard. the way the house and senate bills are written, the massive tax cuts for wealthy people kick in right away. and then the health bills slowly take away coverage from working people and middle class people. so there's a little bit of a timing issue that might create and increase in jobs in the very first year. but thereafter, we're going to see a big decline in jobs in the health care industry and in the economy overall. >> now, the large proportion of the dollars related to the health care industry in our
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economy, as i was just mentioning, it is huge. and when we look at the republicans and what they have often referred to the aca as a job killer, it seems like it might be the opposite just based on what we've seen in terms of the figures. it is a very big industry and seems to be growing because of more people getting health care. >> that's exactly right. the health care industry has been one of the steadiest most consistent, most reliable job engines for the american economy for 25 years now. over the last year, the health industry has grown by about 450,000 jobs. but the republican health care bills by pulling hundreds of billions out of the health care industry and making it impossible for people who depend on medicaid or the subsidies in the exchanges to spend or to have to cut back their spending, that's going to affect the
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people who provide services to medicaid recipients and people who get their private insurance through the exchanges. if we have a reduction in demand for services, people will lose jobs, doctors, nurses, radiology techs, people throughout the health care industry. and the people from whom they buy goods and services, those folks will feel it, as well. >> nursing homes, child care, what is going to be the impact to them? >> catastrophic for nursing homes. about 2/3 of people in nursing homes rely on medicaid. so those deep cuts the republicans are proposing are going to affect a lot of our parents and grand parents and have a negative effect on rural hospitals. rural hospitals across the united states will close or have to down size and lay people off. opioid addiction treatment
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facilities are going to see dramatic rollbacks. a lot of people are not going to be served and a lot of people providing services are going to lose their job. some of the most vulnerable people in our country and the people who serve them have targets on their back because of this must be legislation. >> you remember the auto industry. it was almost a third of our economy in the '80s. some nigmight say industries ca get too big. with the health care industry being the largest in the united states, is it too big? >> it's as big as it needs to be to provide us with the care we need. there are still millions not getting enough care. for example, in the opioid addiction space, there are lots of people who need doctors, who can't get them. who need medical assistant treatment who can't get it. the auto industry was hit with a tsunami of globalization and
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technological change. we have technological change in health care, but that's not the reason we're going to lose jobs. what will cause us to lose job is irresponsibly cutting dramatically the spending we have in that system right now. you were right, richard, the health care industry is a more than $3 trillion a year industry. it's an important part of the american economy. we just can't afford to pull a rug out from underneath the industry, the people who work in the industry or the people who get cared for by the industry. >> so well explained. thank you so much, seth harris. have a fantastic holiday weekend, my friend. >> thanks, richard. you, too. next, live to arkansas where police are still searching for the gunman who opened fire during a rap concert in little rock. but police say they've taken the main attraction into custody. we'll explain why.
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an arrest in little rock, arkansas. rap erper the ricky hampton was arrested one day after the mass shooting as police search for the suspect. last night, over 100 people attended a vigil to pray for the victims and end to the violence. we're joined now by mya rodriguez. are police any closer to arresting the shooting suspect that resulted in 28 injuries? >> reporter: right now, police are still searching for suspects and are counting on the public to come forward to help them. ricky hampton was the concert headliner here. he's a rapper here, arrested on an unrelated charge.
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he is considered to be a person of interest. they want to speak to him, because they think he might be able to shed some light on what happened here. here is where this all happened. this is the club, the ultralounge. there were some windows on the second floor that have been blown out by the gunfire. people were using those windows to escape. police have said this is not terrorism, but gang related. that has been an ongoing problem here in little rock. >> mya rodriguez, thank you so much. next, what physicians think about the senate's health care bill. we'll sit down with a group of doctors who voted for president trump. is it a prescription here for disaster or just what the doctor ordered? why are you deleting these photos?
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another series of tweets targeting the press. it began when he called out the fake news during an event last night to honor veterans in washington, d.c. this morning, tweeting his old wrestling cameo here with a cnn logo blurred over the opponent that he was fighting in this spoof. trump remains at his new jersey resort through the july fourth holiday. in pennsylvania, police there are saying that this man, 28-year-old david desper, has been charged with murder of the road rage killing of a teenager. he shot and killed the 18-year-old who recently graduated from high school because he was upset over the way she merged onto a highway. scenes of celebration also today in mosul, as iraqi troops and allied forces appear to draw the battle against isis to a close. forces have been fighting to recontrol of mosul for the greater part of eight months. the iraqi prime minister
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declining an end to the isis caliphate last month. opponents of the senate gop health care bill have been loud and unwavering, but what do doctors think about this entire debate? msnbc's stephanie ruhle sate down with five doctors and they all voted for trump and shared some surprising insights on the president and how he can improve the health care system. >> you're all doctors and voted for president trump. why? >> it was an evolving decision. i thought of the choice available that he was in closer alignment to my philosophy. >> i'm a liberal. i voted democrat up until this particular election. my problem was that the conversation in health care had become incredibly stale. >> i voted for president trump because i watched what obamacare did to so many patients.
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it extended medicaid, so they've got this insurance card that is worthless. >> i find myself loyal to the republican party. >> i voted against hillary clinton. i experienced eight years of the destruction of health care as i know it. >> we're in a situation where you have lawmakers working on this bill, and the president did go out on the campaign trail and say, i'm not going to cut medicaid, your premiums aren't going to go up. drug prices are going to go down and everyone covered. promises have been made and americans have expectations. >> if you remove the mandate to buy insurance, a lot of things will happen. people will now use just their common sense and spend money where it needs to be spent. >> right now, the insurance companies get a set amount of n money, and they have no great interest in dribbling that out for patients. >> harvard did a study that based on this bill, 217,000 could die. when there's a headline like
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that, it scares people. >> that's what it was intended to do. >> i would love to take the care out of this. >> all the oxygen is taken out of the room because of studies like this. the data is not that clear. it's not climate denial to suggest that. you look at the actual underpinnings of where they come one these numbers, it's absurd. >> if president trump was watching right now, what is your advice to him? >> oh, president trump. allotting the medicaid dollars back to president trump. >> what is your advice to president trump, besides stop tweeting? [ laughter ] >> i think the lesson of the last eight years needs to be heeded. health care is too complex, as president trump knows. it's too complex to have a command and control structure. >> i think the senate bill, even as it is, although i hope they
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improve it, is a good start to decentralizing our health care system. >> your advice to the president? >> put the patient at the center of the equation. >> is that not what obamacare wants to do? >> no. >> it did only in all the rhetoric. it never really worked. >> what is your advice to the president on health care? >> aside from letting me control his tweets about health care -- >> good luck with that. >> president trump needs to drop the campaign rhetoric, the repeal and replace. it's dead. time to move forward with this and we need to reach across the aisle. >> stephanie ruhle with that conversation. despite mitch mcconnell's refusal to separate the repeal and replace effort, mentioned there, republican senator ben sass said he is open to t repealing. >> the president ran on repeal and replace. we've been working on that for
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four months. if leader mcconnell can get us across the finish line, i would like to see that happen. it needs to be a good replace. but if we can combine the repeal and replace, that's great. if not, there's no reason to walk away. we should do repeal with a delay. i don't want to see anybody thrown off the coverage they have now. i would want to delay to get straight to work. then i think the president should call on the president to cancel our august state work period. >> let's bring in charlie sykes, sarah westwood and ken vogel. charlie, is that going to work, the repeal and then delay? because the numbers that have now been discussed if it's just repeal immediately is the 32 million by the cbo that will not have coverage. >> right. i'm a huge fan of ben sass. i want to get out there before saying that position is
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reckless, because it seems to be based on a fantasy that somehow if you dismantle the existing status quo, there will be an outbreak of bipartisan cooperation to enable you to come up with 60 votes to come up with a replacement. i don't see any scenario where that will happen. also, this notion that congress will be able to come up with a -- with this legislation in one week that will control and determine the future of 1/6th of the economy. this is the kind of thing that conservatives have argued for half a century, that you should not trust people in the nation's capitol to do. but they have apparently forgotten those lessons. >> and sarah, one week in getting it done. what's the appetite for more time on the hill, what it's a month or three weeks, to get to a solution? >> well, the white house has expressed its desire to see this get done before the august recess, even though there are
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some republicans clamoring for that to be truncated or canceled all together. senator ted cruz does have a proposed amendment that could be the key that unlocks a republican deal for health care. it would allow insurance providers to sell plans that don't comply with obamacare regulations as long as they also offer aca compliant plans. the republicans have sent that to the cbo. so if the score comes back that shows that amendment doesn't do too much harm, you could see then conservatives be more willing to make concessions that bring centrists to the table. so a deal is possible. but the clock is ticking. once that august recess hits, it will be difficult to get anything done. >> so folks like the four of us like to look at the cbo number. americans across the country, are they sitting around saying did you see that new cbo number? >> not at all. and the battle lines are clearly drawn here, regardless of
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whether this ted cruz amendment gets scored and shows that it's going to be less problematic for people and cause less people their health care. i think you're still going to have the difficulty of bringing in some of these particularly senators who are vulnerable. dean helder is in a tight spot. bringing them on without losing conservative votes, that's the trick. all this talk about donald trump taking calls during his holiday weekend to senators, we've seen that he's not the most effective advocate for his own legislation. in many ways he hurt his ability to push through bills. he said the senate health care bill was mean and they felt like they were sticking their neck out to help him pass this. so it's a really sort of tight needle for them to thread. it doesn't look good before the august recess.
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once it gets to the august recess, it gives the democrats a chance to drive out constituents to make their opposition known. >> charlie, which one of these are you watching? you've got ted cruz and his idea. you've got the senator from louisiana who is pushing forward the patient freedom act. you have other ideas from other senators. which one do you think might do well in all of this? >> i think it's ironic we're talking about ted cruz as the master come fpromiser here. you have to watch mitch mcconnell here. i hesitate to bring up the president's tweets, but notice over this weekend, he has managed not once to mention health care, at least the last time i noticed. you look at the conservative media. they are not talking about what
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is wonderful about the republican plan. the only thing you hear is how terrible obamacare is, and it's all about the media. the point is that this debate does not seem to be about what it will mean for health care. what will it mean for the care of individuals and patients, rural hospitals. this all seems to be getting a win for the republicans and getting those huge tax cuts. that's got to be concerning to people on both sides of the aisle. >> it's also being debated and both sides are pushing for a win right now. then we have that roundtable that stephanie had conducted. you heard from five doctors. what did you take away from that? they're closer to the ground there, charlie. >> well, that was one of the few discussions i've seen substantively about health care. because this has been done so quickly and so much in secrecy,
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we know a lot about the numbers, but what are the actual real world impacts of this? senator mike lee said this is neither repeal nor reform. there are a lot of unintended consequences down the line. i'm not sure that the people voting on this in the next week fully understand the consequences for medicaid or for states, including states that donald trump won. again, that's the kind of thing where you would think the prudent, cautious, conservative legislators would put up a yellow sign and say do we know what we are doing to the health care system in this country. of course, massive tax cuts for the wealthy. are we actually fixing the problems that exist in the health care industry? not to mention the fact that we're in the middle of a massive health care crisis involving opioids. does this bill try to fix that problem? >> sarah when they go back home,
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are they going to be listening and articulating when they come back to d.c. that which charlie is talking about, what everyday folks care about? it's going to be tough if they don't. >> absolutely. i think that's why you saw mitch mcconnell push so hard to hold this vote before lawmakers left washington. he knew they would be in a tough spot with the town halls. that there would be an opportunity for the opposition to organize against this bill and it could have been simpler to get it past had they lined up the votes before the rerecess. they're hoping to hold a sill a week before they return. mitch mcconnell is certainly going to use this week wisely by contacting the nine senators who are no's right now to get at least seven of them to yes.
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but it is obviously that much more complicated when you go back to your district and you hear at every town hall and every television that this bill is going to hurt americans. it's difficult to come to the table and negotiate in that condition. >> ken, how close are we? use your hands, this close, this close? how close are we in >> i don't think we're as close as mark sh wart is intimating in this interview. i think the -- >> use your hands, show me your hands. >> i would say i can't reach it. the caliber is a real problem. you get to the august recess, they go home, the senators go home and hear from their cons h constitue constituents. you come back and you're getting into the midterm election cycle. you have these requirements for
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government funding that are going to be tricky and senate republicans are getting pressure from their right flank to hold the line on spending and there's not a lot of room for legislative maneuvering. >> i really appreciate all your good thinking on this and your articulation of this topics. thank you all. we'll take you to new jersey where many public attractions are closed this holiday weekend due to a government shutdown there. and in the next hour, for the point, ari melber will dive into the president's beats and how the media can overcome the distractions that they create. ♪
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lawmakers. he ordered the shutdowned a midnight on saturday. he's deadlocked with the democratic led legislature over funding for the state's largest health insurer. >> the idea that i didn't have any option is crazy. what are my options? when i don't have money at midnight july 1, i can't just go the hell with it, keep everything open. >> the shutdown has forced new jersey to close many public attractions this holiday weekend, including state parks and beaches. to illinois now. the crisis is even worse as the state starts a third year without a budget. but laichers are de it's a stal down ragrade the state's credit rating to junk bond status. >> reporter: the illinois budget disaster is sometimes a matter of life and death.
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we met evalyn in this treatment senter in chicago. >> i was using for own ten years. >> reporter: and this place got you clean? >> got me clean. it saved my life. >> reporter: the center is now struggling to help clients because $6 million in bills sent to illinois have gone unpaid. now drastic layoffs and cuts. you could be helping more people? >> i need to be helping more. >> reporter: illinois has some $15 billion in unpaid bills. no budget here in more than two years, as the republican governor battles democrats over taxes and spending. the financial wreck aage is widespread. hospitals owed hundreds of millions in state payments. a potential downgrade of the credit rating to junk. >> illinois has lost more residents than any other state. >> reporter: john cash jokes the
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residents are so frustrated illinois should just let neighboring states take over. it's illinois. end it, really? >> it's just one possibility, just wipe it off the face of the map. >> reporter: most of elizabeth's patients are state employees, illinois not paying their employees. >> we have not gotten paid for 70% of the work. every once in a while there's a check that comes in. >> reporter: lawmakers are desperately trying to fix this self-inflicted financial disaster. >> ron allen, thank you for that. up next, a doctor is hoping to turn in her stethoscope for a seat in congress. that's after a quick break.
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has inspired one doctor to join the fight at the highest level. she's an orange county pediatrician, who was inspired to run for office when one of her patients diagnosed with a brain tumor would lose health insurance. she's hoping to unseat congressman ed royce in the elections, focusing on health care. the road may seem long, but dr. tran came to the united states from vietnam as a refugee at 9 years old. she cleaned bathrooms, dorm rooms as a janitor, working her way through harvard university. dr. tran is also a two-time breast cancer survivor herself, and became a mother at the age of 46. she joins us right now. i'm sure, doctor, a lot of people say you should be wearing an "s" t-shirt of some sort.
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>> excuse me, why? >> super woman is what i'm saying. >> oh, well thank you, richard, for saying that. but no, i am a typical woman in this country. i mean, we do what we have to do to take care of our families and the people who are important to us. so if that makes me super, gosh, i am with a group of super women and men. but thank you for the opportunity to talk to you today. >> quite a gesture here, dr. tran. i am interested in what is making you change careers. you put a lot of time into becoming a doctor. i don't know if you've seen the approval ratings for congress, not so why. why do you want to do this? >> well, richard, i've been a pediatrician for 25 years. i've been serving children of working class families in orange county and southern california. what i've been seeing in the
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past six months has really made me absolutely angry. i'm incensed. i feel like our representatives in my district, particularly ed royce, has been callous to the needs of his constituents. i think americans, the children who are going to be our future, the women who are the true caretakers, the elders who have given us so much, and the veterans who fought so bravely for us, these americans deserve better. i want to be a voice for the people who i know are going to be affected by the gop health care bill. >> dr. tran, who -- what is the face -- who are these people that you want to represent, and what is the one issue that you would like to make sure to get their voice heard on? >> well, i will give you a really good example of one of my patients. after the november election, my
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first patient when i came into the office is a child with a brain tumor. her mom, who is a nail shop worker, had been able to get health care insurance for her children because of the affordable care act. and we looked at each other that day and just knew that it was going to affect her daughter's health and well-being for the next years. we did not realize how quick that -- how quickly that was going to take place. but these are the people, these are the working families that are going to be affected by the cuts that are going to be implemented if this bill passes. and these are not people who are too lazy or too -- they are working people, working families and their children. so that's one example. given my family's background, my
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dad, who passed away two years ago, i remember it was a daily occurrence where he would talk to me about how costly health care is, and how he is so concerned how he would basically wipe out everything they have. and also how my mom is going to be taken care of once he passes. so i know for him, 20 years on a daily basis, he was worried about the cause ost of health c. i think that's so cruel -- >> dr. tran, 30 seconds to you. what would your family say to you about running for congress against a competitor that is very much -- a very tough competitor, what would he say to you? >> i think that he would be proud in heaven. i think he would say to me, you've got to do what's right, and the time is now. it's the right thing to do. you have to speak for people who haven't had a voice.
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and i know my dad believes in that. that's what he always taught us. with all of the things that we've gone through to get to where we are, i know he would say that today. >> dr. tran, thank you so much for your time today. that does it for us this hour here at msnbc. stay with us for news updates throughout the breaks -- or throughout the night. we'll see you right here.
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