the tip of that war head. >> the capabilities you're talking about when we talk about an icbm, 3400, up to 4,000 this one went under 600 miles according to the south koreans. why is that >> they throw it straight up in the air. just because it lands at your feet doesn't mean you don't have a good arm. what they are doing they got to 17,000 feet up there in the sky. at 37 minutes. now, that may 14th test was 30 minutes and that difference of seven minutes gives you a range of about another 1,200 miles, maybe 1300 miles. remember with that may 14th test that put guam in the range. that was a concern. with all this what we don't know is how good tame is. right? think of a missile that doesn't have fins on its nose. you can shoot it. do your math. you don't have a great deal of

confidence on where it lands. if you see fins on the nose of any of these things, they may have some sort of guided precision system inside and that's even scarier. >> question, two technical question. i love you're here to help us cover this. the distance, the range, the accuracy is one set of matters. perhaps the most important sensitivity matters is what they can put on that missile. >> whether or not they can bring it in successfully, right. you have the rv, the re-entry vehicle. that may 14th launch did successfully re-enter the atmosphere. we don't know if they miniaturizeed a nuclear war head. we don't know if it's small enough to put on the cone on the tip of a missile. talk to some folks in the pentagon they think maybe, perhaps. others in the general assessment within the intelligence community they haven't achieved that yet. here's the issue, the minute

they achieve it and this is the view inside the pentagon, the minute they achieve miniaturization and icbm it's too late. so you think of the doctoring of self-defense what the u.s. claimed before. there's a concept of imminence. if you're under imminent threat. what's interesting and scary about this, once they have those, two the icbm and a miniaturized war head, imminence is not in the equation because the threat is so real. so that's something we should think about when we think about military planning and stop this threat before they fully have two legs of the peg. >> thanks very much. we'll continue to cover this in addition to hans we brought in clint watts who is our national security analyst and lindsey ford. i'll get to them in a minute. i want to go to white house. garrett standing by. we talked a little while ago. the only response we had was donald trump's tweets at this

point with the confirmation, at least official confirmation it's an icbm. >> reporter: those tweets are still what stands as the white house's only response to this missile launch. north korea just launched another missile. does this guy have anything to do better with his life the president asks. hard to believe japan will put up with this much longer. perhaps china will put a heavy move on north korea and end this nonsense once and for all. the president is now back on his way, returning to the white house after spending most of the day at his golf club in virginia. it's possible we'll hear more from him on tonight when he's expected to address families here for a picnic here for the fourth of july and confronted with this again. again, over the weekend the president had been speaking to tleerds the leaders of japan and south korea. this issue has been front and center. with hans reporting i'm reminded of another tweet from the president, this from early

january when he was president-elect saying it would not happen north korea would never get to the point where they could send a nuclear weapon to the united states. to hans point they have the technology if not the ability to miniaturize that nuclear weapon. so we're getting close to that red line. >> there's no sense, garrett, you haven't heard anything to say there's an upcoming press conference or statement being released. >> reporter: no. nothing to that effect so far. we've been asking the white house all day for any updated guidance. i've been reaching out to some of my sources on capitol hill to see if any of the relevant committee staffs have been briefed and so far not a word. >> a big deal on a holiday to get this sort of news. garrett, thanks very much. we'll check in with you and stay in touch with hans. lindsey ford served in the

department of defense under president obama she focused on asia and regional security planning. lindsey thanks very much for being with us. i don't want to alarm people but this is a big development. >> it is. it's extremely significant. i think especially when you see that the president has said that north korea having aren't intercontinental ballistic missile would be a red line for him. it doesn't appear north korea yet has the ability to strike the continental united states but we're rapidly approaching the point where that can become re realistic. >> is it true they have a missile to reach parts of the united states. >> montreality they've had that we think since at least may when they tested another missile that demonstrated capability of potentially striking guam which is also an american territory.

so the fact that north korea can show that they may have the ability to strike any part of the united states, i think absolutely is a red line in terms of u.s. policy and it's going to put a lot more pressure on the trump administration to demonstrate that they are taking strong actions to prevent this problem from escalating further. >> what are the north koreans thinking with this? what's the range of possibilities? that they would like to hit the united states with a nuclear war head or they would like some kind of a deal that gets them out of their precarious financial position? i ask you this in the context of iran. iran needed to get back in the world economic community and that's why they wanted to trade -- they were willing to trade off some of their nuclear capabilities. what's north korea's end game >> i think the end game here is fairly simple. and that is that this is a regime that's looking for regime survival. the kim dynasty wants to stay in power and they want to stay at the head of north korea and they

want to make sure that the united states and south korea and our allies aren't threatening the ability of this dynasty to continue leading the country. >> but, you know, nobody in the administration -- while this administration has criticized the strategic patience of the obama administration and other administrations, no one is talking about regime change in north korea. so the signal that the americans are sending to kim jong-un is stay there if you want, stop messing around with the nuclear weaponry. >> for north korea they really believe in the long term because there's not actually a formal treaty ending the korean war the belief is in the long term the only thing that guarantees your survival is nuclear weapons and you have to demonstrate that you have that capability and they look around the world and see what happened to a lot of other regimes who, frankly, didn't have the capability and they are no longer around. >> earlier i was told there's

still a lot of room for sanctions particularly on chinese banks that do business or the chinese which is where north korea gets most of its money for trade. and that the chinese have shown some willingness and they had shown some willingness on the side of the iran deal to not support rogue nations if it meant greater invitation of chinese into the global economy. so there's more pressure to be brought on the chinese? >> yes. what we've seen in the last week or so is that the time where you saw president trump saying we're going to give the chinese an opportunity to fix this problem for us, that that tone is changing. you saw beginning this past week some sanctions on chinese bank, on a few chinese citizens. i expect you'll see more of that and that this administration will begin look at a wider range of entities who they can go after, and i would also expect

president trump and president xi will have some very challenging conversations on the sidelines of the g-20. >> on april 17th, when mike pence said the era of strategic patience is over is it useful to put these red lines -- it is better to change your policy and not set rules or deadlines and people break rules and force your hand. >> you don't set a red line unless you're certain you intend to enforce it because otherwise you just -- the united states looks feckless. you have to be very careful with how you describe things and what you say about u.s. policy because our credibility is really on the line in these situations. >> i'm glad we you had to talk to on this important day. lindsey ford is with the policy institute. when we come back president trump will meet with russian president vladimir putin on

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president trump is gearing up for his first face to face meeting with russian president vladimir putin. the white house confirmed two leaders will meet on friday on the sidelines of the g-20 economic summit in hamburg, germany. possible topics of discussion syria and ukraine but will the russian interference in the 2016 presidential election come up? joining me is clint watts national security analyst and former fbi special agent. clint, president trump is one possibly of a handful of americans who has not embraced the idea that russia involved itself in the 2017 election and that poses a big problem because this is a real opportunity. the president of america, the president of russia face to face about the thing that americans are very concerned about. does he ask him about it? does he warn him off? >> no. i don't think he'll even bring it up. if he brings it up he's essentially going against his

base. he's put himself in a bizarre situation where if he brings up meddling, he is going to agitate his base who he denies the russians had anything to do with it. >> the base thinks it's an excusation of the left. >> the deep state and the left which is what you'll hear from the russians. it's important to point that out. the other part he can bring it up too much without also looking at his allies and nato. he's been very harsh towards germany and angela merkel. they are dealing with the same meddling right now that we dealt with a year ago. if he brings it up in that context he's got his hands tied. >> and as france in its recent election. the base is 30% of 40% of americans depending on which poll you look at which leave a whole lot of americans who have a valid expectation that the president of the united states will confront the president of russia about this. if he does not what happened? >> if he does not bring it up it

looks like he's under putin's thumb. if he goes in against the strongest leader in the world, doesn't bring it up at all or even gives concessions, russians want their base given back to them. if he gave us that up or coughs it up he's also going to have his hands tied back home. he keeps claiming he wants to deal on syria. he wants russia to ally with us on syria. russia has played our hand whether it's obama or trump now masterfully. >> they want sanctions on ukraine. they want sanctions lifted on oil production and the rest of europe is sitting there saying we want an american president who backs up nato, something that, again, president trump's embrace of has been tepid.

>> it's a bizarre situation. they never stated it is what we want. what does the trump team think they are getting from all this deal making or negotiations? is it really just about isis and syria because it's going fall. we're in raqqah now. mosul is done. what do we want from the russians. why would we deal with the russian physician they just meddled in our election. they haven't stated that position. if they haven't stated position or going in for meetings or to make a deal the u.s. will get burped by a smart putin. >> for all of 20th century and 21st century the u.s. president was always the most powerful man in the world. in these few years many believe the russian president may be more powerful. what's the benefit of taking this meeting if there's so much uncertainty what president trump can and is willing to say to vladimir putin >> no one can say what is it. this has been going on since the campaign. align yourself so strongly and passionately at times with

vladimir putin when you can't clearly state what it is that's good for america. we always talk about america first. what is america first about this? they just meddled in our elections and we didn't do anything about it. we're still debating if it happened if you're president trump. >> that's one place -- they are in the same place. put said maybe some russians interfered, patriotic russians but it wasn't at the direction of the russian government and president trump's response tends to be maybe some russians interfered, maybe a 400 pound guy, maybe somebody else, they are on the same page strangely -- >> on the surface on the same page but interestingly enough some of the stories that came out last week from the "wall street journal" potentially spokesman on the edges of the trump campaign reaching out trying to find out if russian hackers got into hillary clinton's lost e-mail. if you don't believe the russians did anything to do with it why would you reach out to them to find those emails. it's a double standard. they will get burned.

what will happen president trump won't come away with a big deal, he won't look like he has the upper hand with putin and then this whole how was cards will collapse. >> always good to see you. thank you for coming in on a holiday. president trump's meeting with putin comes as his legislative agenda appears to be stalled on capitol hill. i feel like i've said that before. senate republicans are trying to figure out if there's way to move forward with their obamacare repeal and replace which was pulled because it didn't have support to pass. republicans are hoping to take action soon on tax reform, infrastructure, on energy, on other issues. joining me is washington state democratic congressman who is a member of the judiciary and budget committees. thank you for joining us. >> happy 4th. >> nothing seems to happen until this health care bill gets

sorted out. it looks like it will be the other. the other depending on who you talk to may be some reaching across the aisle to democrats to say we can't seem to pass this bill without democratic help. do you think that enough democrats are open to re-writing a health care bill that would involve the repeal of obamacare but get you farther than this senate bill would get us? >> democrats have always been ready to make the affordable care act better. there's numerous amendments introduced and bills that have been introduced into the house but republicans have been focused on repealing without a replacement plan and that's what you see in the senate. that won't fly with the american people. you tell americans they will have 22 million of them cut off from health care and, you know, you think about cutting medicaid. medicaid pays 30 or 40% of our nursing homes across the country. 60% of disabled children depend on medicaid. this is a travesty of a bill. we're willing to work on making

the affordable care act better, moving in the direction of something that makes quality affordable health care available to all americans. >> the question i guess what's the move in that direction? there have been some, getting in trouble on twitter for this, some have said that some democrats have decided that the best road to go down here, given the lack of success that republicans are having with this is nothing. to just leave it, let republicans deal with this. >> well, i think, first of all, we have to make sure we protect the care we have for americans across this country. that's why only 17% of americans like this bill because it doesn't do anything to make their health care better. so that's the first thing we have to do. if the republicans fail at this, then i think we as democrats should come forward and say here are some things that we can do right now to make health care more available and affordable for all americans. one example of that would be

allowing medicare to negotiate prescription drug prices. that's an easy fix that should have democratic and republican support. >> let me talk about the trump-putin meeting that's going to happen in theory on friday. if donald trump acknowledges like pretty much all americans have that there was meddling by russians in the election he has no choice but to confront vladimir putin with that. tell him what knees and tell him to stop it. donald trump does not do that. he doesn't acknowledge that. either 30% or 40% of americans will be happy with donald trump or 60% will be unhappy. >> not to bring up the giant -- can't be called elephant in the room any more. this something that intelligence agencies, american people across the country recognize, have seen happen and donald trump as president of the united states

should be showing his power if he's going to have a meeting with vladimir putin bringing this up front and center and saying we are going to take some steps around this. but, of course, he is not even complying with some of the requirements of the investigation that's going on and he's being investigated for obstruction of justice. it's a sad day he'll take this meeting and not bring up this incredibly important issue that affects the american democracy and integrity of our elections. >> thank you so much for joining us today. ine few moments i'll talk to a congressman from new york about the g-20 summit and the question that made venus williams break down at a wimbledon press conference. ♪

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an update on our breaking news this hour. the u.s. believes the missile that north korea launched was an icbm an intercontinental ballistic missile. previously the u.s. had judged it to be a shorter range, intermediate missile. joining me now to talk more about this is jack jacobs. i spoke this about an hour ago

before we had this confirmation. colonel jack the concept it's an icbm that could travel 4,000 miles and hit the continental united states does that change your analysis of this? >> well, it does. we knew before it could travel about 4100 miles. hans nichols did the calculations and said how far it could go. but it means something else now. it means that they are well on the path of getting a weapon that can get all the way to the continental united states, the lower 48. not just going the 500 miles, the definition says, getting out of the atmosphere and re-entering it. hans nichols also had a very interesting observation too about re-entry because what's really important is to able to control the war head once it re-enters the atmosphere site can be targeted towards a particular place. the last one they fired, not the one yesterday, but the one earlier, a couple of weeks ago

did not have fins as it a terminal guidance system. we don't know if this one did either, but it's very big. it's a very big deal they have an icbm. >> the next big deal as i was talking to hans about is you fly a missile somewhere, can it be accurate? can it be targeted? kit re-enter properly. and most importantly can they put a nuclear war head on it? >> the last one is most important. if they can put a nuclear war head on it and it doesn't have to be all that accurate threat of being able to deliver a nuclear weapon -- the fact that they can deliver a nuclear weapon to the continental united states is really scary enough. forget about -- we can't forget about the fact they are threatening the area in east asia, west asia, our allies particularly south korea and japan, but it's really important now that we have some sort of plan to blunt the development,

north korea's development, convince them that they shouldn't continue on this path. but we've said earlier that the north korean government is a continuing criminal enterprise. their sole focus is so maintain power. hold on to power. not relinquish any ground whatsoever and the longer they are permitted to continue doing what they are doing the more difficult it will be to dissuade them from doing something else. we need not just fortitude on our side we need to generate support among our allies particularly china. so far china has not been forthcoming, has not been particularly helpful. i think it will get more recalcitrant unless he put the squeeze on china as well. >> thank you for joining me. north korea's latest missile launch is raising the stake for

president trump's second foreign trip. the provocation will dominate his discussions with leaders of japan, south korea and china. the main event is expected to be prurp's first meeting with vladimir putin on friday. joining me now is congressman lee zeldin. congressman, good to see you. i'll get to russia in a minute because i want to continue this conversation on north korea. how do you think the u.s. should be handling it at this point? clearly north korea is increasing its provocation level. clearly they have been warned by the united states that the era of strategic patience that obama maurgs and previous administrations had is over. >> the north koreans can't have the ability to deliver a nuclear war head to the united states and we use the principle of diplomacy, military economics and we need to consider all

options being on the table but with a preference to diplomacy and economics to ramp up the pressure on the north koreans. we've looked to china as being in the strongest position to help with other options other than military because they can krip tell north korean economy very quickly because how much they rely on the chinese. the chinese, the japanese, the south korean, there certainly is a preference on the part of the united states you see that leadership in that region. it's not just north korea having the ability to deliver a nuclear war head it's human rights violations that are taking place. it's the cyber warfare that north korea engages in. so there's a throat talk about. >> if you look at diplomacy,

military and economics i was speak to a former obama treasury official in the last hour who said there's a lot more space to squeeze china and chinese banks on their dealings with north korea which does more than 90% of its business with china. the idea that donald trump tweeted that thanks for trying china but it hasn't worked she says isn't true. there's more to be done. >> there's a lot more that china is able to do. it was a positive development when china earlier this year said they were going to stop importing coal. it's worth pointing out china imported a whole lot of coal before they made that decision. but there is a tremendous amount of space and north koreans rely so much on that relationship with china that if china cities they want to get serious whether it's financial systems, whether it's cutting off additional materials that they are securing from the north koreans, that type of pressure -- by the way

on information front the north koreans, the people that live in the country they look up at kim jong-un like he's larger-than-life and they don't believe that their troubles, their ills as north koreans is due to oppression from their own government because of the information that they are coming in contact with. china can help out on information campaign. there's so many tools. >> unlike iran where the elections may not be free and fair but north korea's elections are completely for show. >> completely. >> i'll move on to another quick topic. there are two kinds of people in america. those who believe that the russians interfered in the 2016 election and those who don't. president trump, i don't know where he sits. he seems to sit in the latter category and dragged a little bit over to this other side. where are you on this? >> the russians did meddle in our elections and it's important that the president utilizes an

opportunity to sit down with president putin and let him know that we have no tolerance for that. this isn't new for the russians. the russians engaged in this behavior for a long time before the u.s. elections. it's not just looking back what happened in 2016 but just protect integrity of the process going forward and it's not just about the democratic process needs to be protect here in our country but also the cyber capability and the impact that it can have on our government, on our infrastructure, on personal data, the additional leverage and damage that it can cause to the united states citizen. >> is there any message you and republican members of congress have, some way of passing that message on through to congressional republican leadership to the president to say you can't miss this opportunity to have this conversation with vladimir putin because there are a lot of people who think he won't raise the issue with vladimir putin.

>> yeah. i don't know whether or not he's planning to or whether he will, and i've been speaking up for a long time before even the cyber attacks took place during last year's election that russia san adversary to the united states and that hasn't changed. they are an adversary. so while you are hopefully looking at ukraine, syria, isis, north korea, nato, there's a lot to talk about, obviously, that's unrelated to this cyber component. i would strenuously plead that we are seeing those opportunities like what we'll see at the g-20 to talk about the cyber piece because north korea, russia, iran, some of these other nations, they not only have caused a lot of damage but they have a capability through cyber warfare to cause a lot of damage. >> good to talk to you. happy fourth of july.

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venus williams had an emotional moment after a round at wimbledon. what brought to the tennis star to tears off the court. >> reporter: venus williams is serving up aces here at wimbledon without off the court a different story. she became so emotional talk about a crash in florida that she had to walk away from reporters. venus williams scoring the first-round victory at wimbledon. but the joy quickly turned to tears. the tennis great breaking down at a post-match press conference after being asked about her involvement in a fatal car crash in florida last month.

>> yeah. i'm completely speechless and it's just -- >> reporter: overcome with emotion and wiping away tears, she briefly left the room. on friday she posted on her facebook page i'm devastated and heartbroken by this accident. my heart felt condolences go out to the family and friends of engineer ro jerome. 78-year-old jerome was injured and died two weeks later. williams is now being sudden by family. in a statement williams' attorney called the crash an unfortunate accident and said venus expresses her deepest condolences to family who lost a loved one. according to the police report, williams was at fault for violating the right-of-way. she was not issued any tickets at the time and police say there was no evidence williams was under the influence of drugs or alcohol or distracted by a cell

phone. williams has known tough times. her parents divorced. the murder of her half sister and she battled an autoimmune disease for a decade. now she's pulling herself together once again. williams did compose herself. she came back. answered a few more questions about her game. she's 37 years old. the oldest woman to be competing at wimbledon this year and she beat a much younger opponent yesterday. she's due back on the court tomorrow and she said look you can't prepare for everything. and that press conference proved her point. all right. happening now new video just in of president trump leaving a virginia golf course heading back to the white house. he'll host a picnic with military families this afternoon right before a fireworks viewing. thanks too last minute budget deal on monday night that ended a government shutdown new jersey celebrating july 4th with

state parks and beaches open for business. governor christie's visit to a beach drew criticism but the governor said doesn't matter to him. >> i think i've proven over the last eight years i don't care about political optics. i care about right and wrong. i think i've proven over the last eight years i have a choice between my family and political optics and i'll pick my family. >> governor christie has a 15% approval straight lowest of any governor thichbt of quinnipiac polling which goes back about 20 years. msnbc adam reese joins me from liberty park in jersey city. what's fallout from all of this? >> reporter: i can tell you the good news is the beaches are open, the parks are open here, but many are still angry about those photographs that went viral. the governor with his family, lounging on the beach, a beach that, in fact, was ordered closed by him. many beaches and state parks for

last several days closed. we were out here yesterday. people by the dozens coming up in their cars being turned away by state troopers, people with families, all kinds of, you know, people who wanted to go recreate and not loud to do it for the past three days. the governor said he'll remain defiant. he's doing the right thing for the people of the state of new jersey. he was fighting for more money to fight opioid abuse. he said he'll continue that fight. he'll do what's right. if it's between politics and family he's always going choose family and in fact i can tell you he's headed back out to the beach today but probably a beach that is open to the general public. back to you. >> still he's not giving up. thanks very much. when we come back a question you hear all time. what happened to the political center? here's another question you may not have concerned did the political center as we think we know it ever really exist?

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pretty safe to say the election of donald trump has changed a lot of things including how we're likely to look at future elections. the conventional wisdom used to be get your base and then move to the middle. do political candidates need to move to the center to win. to talk more about this, a writer for the daily intelligence and a long time gop staffer, former communications director for evan mcmullen's 2016 presidential run. welcome to boston you. thanks for being here. eric, you said pundits need stop insifgt up insisting upon the centrality of the center. >> that's correct. there's this idea that the political speck stlamd out between liberals and conservatives and then you have

the mushy middle the moderates whose views are in between democratic and republican platforms. that's not how the country exists. most voters don't have could her rent ideologies. they are conservative on some issue, liberal on other issues. the consensus positions on individual issues are often not at all at the center. for example there was this 2014 study by uc berkeley that found, they surveyed voters on a variety of issues giving several different options from conservative to extremely liberal with moderate position in the middle. only two issues was the consensus position. on marijuana the consensus position in the united states at that time was fully was legalization. on immigration more people picked mass deportation. on taxes the third most popular option was $1 million tax everything at 100% that was four

times more popular than the republican's party position. >> he might be talking about you when eric is talking about people who don't wake up and label themselves something and think that's what they are. you are a republican. >> that's right. >> you supported marco rubio. you said that if donald trump becomes the nominee you might vote for hillary clinton. and you worked for evan mcmullen. >> sure. i'm a millennial and i have to say right out of the gate i know what we get characterized as. we're indecisive and sufficient. what's becoming true and more evident we're just reflecting the vufs most americans nowadays. most americans are not dealing tethered to a party any more except when we get down typewriter and people now like vice president mike pence say come home to the party. i remember being in utah this past fall when i was working with mcmullen.

maybe that's a better choice. i know what i'm get offering here and i don't know what i'm getting from an independent. however, you know, i think what's happened in november of this last year maybe leads thise leads americans to think people are on two extremes. maybe we need to come back to the center. >> let me ask you this, indecisive. the research suggests that and one can be decisive about their opinions they don't consistently fall on one side of the political spectrum. >> when you ask them they can often take very strong views. whether or not they feel very strongly about that opinion is a different matter. the other thing, the other reason why it doesn't really exist is because they idea any with the party more than with

positions and issues. >> why? >> because become republicans or democrats, they didn't go to a town hall meeting. everyone said yes. i agree 65% of the time with democrats that you're born to a family or community. for most people you then adopt the positions. the month before donald trump declared his candidacy. one year later the republican nominee turned out to be a person that posed free trade. so you take your positions from the leaders. >> so to that point there was a time. there may not have been a center but there was a time when political parties reted large tents. they say you i sort of share about 60%. 40% of me doesn't. that used to be okay.

that's what seems to have disappeared. >> without a doubt. it is a point i have been working to make over five to ten years now. a big part of my clear has been showing we can be pro-choice and pro life at the same time. i come from a family where my family on my dad's side escaped from you gsh when i saw them for that it was the american way. in the past five to ten years i found fellow republicans who were less accepting of the fact

that i may be pro life for myself and i am pro choice for other women. i can believe in the free come to marry. we cherish freedom before anything else. that's what i'm trying to get through. with the election of donald trump and rhetoric of last year we have seen that really take a toll on people and fewer and fewer people are thinking that the republican party is a place where all values are accepted. we can have diverging thoughts. >> interesting discussion. i would like to continue it at some point. i have run out of time for this particular one but i think it might be a central discussion. i really appreciate the two of you taking to have the discussion with maine stick around. i'll be right back.

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this is a live look at the white house. that is actually live. the president in about two hours is going to welcome military families for a picnic and fireworks. we'll see if he has anything to say about breaking news that the north korean missile test was an intercontinental ballistic missi missile. we have been talking about this missile test. tell me what's new that we know about north korean capabilities. what's in you part of this? >> the range. the fact that it is 4,000 miles. it puts alaska within range. it gives you a sense of the power behind it. what officials are focused on is

whether or not there is successful reentry. did it go as high as it did and successfully reenter. they will be asking how much of a time line did they have before this launch? it is liquid fuel. you can usually see them gassing it up. that will be the question, whether or not they saw it beforehand and how many were out there. initially they didn't know what was in the tubes. >> they may have just built the tubes. what do you mean? with satellites you see them gassing it up? >> when they have aerial intelligence they are never really clear on how they know

what they know. you could see it from an aerial vehicle, a drone of some sort. i don't know whether that's satellite imagery or not. normally it would give us a good lead them. there is less of a lead time with mobile launchers these are mobile but some times they give us a hint they are seeing something. they are saying we are seeing fuelling going on. >> you always know so much about this kind of stuff. he is at the pentagon and he will be following this. we'll continue to stay on this story and give you updates about what information we are getting about that north core rokorean launch. we'll see if president trump

comments on this. we have eyes on the white house and if he does make comments we will bring them to you. that does it for this hour. i'll see you back here tomorrow at 11:00. than thanks for watching. 20 years of donald trump. let's play hardball. good evening. a special edition of hardball. donald trump established himself as a public figure always willing to share his thinking about the thinking and issues of our time. i interviewed this controversial president more than a dozen times. tonight we'll look at the donald trump i got to know in nose conversation