"mtp daily" starts right now with katy in for chuck todd. >> hi, nicole. if it is thursday, protesters in germany say welcome to hell. tonight president trump is overseas as g20 protests turn violent. >> as you can see, there are now clashes between the protesters and police here in hamburg, germany. >> just hours before his first face-to-face meeting with putin, president trump again downplays russia's interference in the u.s. election. >> well, i think it was russia, and i think it could have been other people, and other countries. nobody really knows. nobody really knows for sure. >> while at home, republicans and democrats are rebelling against the president's push to investigate a different kind of election meddling. that does not exist. this is "mtp daily," and it starts right now.

good evening. i'm katy in new york. you're looking live at the scene in hamburg, germany, where president trump will be attending tomorrow's g-20 summit. he met with german chancellor angela merkel earlier today in hamburg. upwards of 12,000 demonstrators, including anarchists and anti-trump groups have flooded the streets as part of a protest called g20, welcome to hell. protesters and police clashed earlier today, at times the clashes turned violent. german police, many in riot gear, have used water cannons and tear gas in an attempt to disperse the crowds. we turn now to the political drama out of europe involving the president. tomorrow mr. trump meets with vladimir putin. take a guess at which one of them today was calling american press outlets fake news. throwing doubts about the

american intelligence on russian hacking. and questioning president obama's motives. it may sound surreal, after all, this is an american president we're talking about, on the world stage, not putin, but here's the president second-guessing america's intelligence agencies. >> i think it was russia, but i think it was probably other people and/or countries, and i see nothing wrong with that statement. nobody really knows. nobody really knows for sure. weapons of mass destruction. how everybody was 100% sure that iraq had weapons of mass destruction. guess what. that led to one big mess. they were wrong. >> here's the president undercutting the american press, starting with an attack on cnn. >> they have been fake news for a long time. they've been covering me in a very dishonest way. and others.

i know there are others. nbc is equally as bad. >> here's his one-two punch against both the intelligence and the press' reporting on russian hacking. >> i heard it was 17 agencies. i said, boy, that's a lot. do we even have that many intelligence agencies, right? let's check it. we did some heavy research. it turned out to be three or four. it wasn't 17. and many of your compatriots had to change their reporting and apologize and correct it. >> to be clear, the intelligence community's assessment on russian interference was based on information gathered by the fbi, the cia and the nsa, which was then published by the office of the director of national intelligence. they represent all u.s. intelligence agencies. president trump today also tried to sow confusion by repeatedly questioning president obama's handling of that intelligence. >> barack obama, when he was president, found out about this

in terms of if it were russia, found out about it in august. now, the election was in november. that's a lot of time. he did nothing about it. why did he do nothing about it? he did nothing about it. he did nothing about it. why did he do nothing? why did he do nothing? why did obama do nothing about it? he did nothing about it. >> it is fair to debate whether or not president obama did enough. it is false to say he did nothing. a month before the election the intelligence community and the department of homeland security told the public that the russian government, quote, directed the hacks targeting u.s. persons, and institutions. after the election, president obama sanctioned russia, seized compounds, and expelled diplomats. but to be fair, president trump today also chided russia for its destabilization in the ukraine. he reaffirmed the united states' commitment to nato. and he touted the value of free

expression. but which version of the american president do you believe? if you can fully believe either in the first place. we're going to get to politics in just a moment. but first let's go live to hamburg, germany, where we find kier simmons who has been covering the protests all day for us. kier, what can you tell us at this hour? >> reporter: it's a lot calmer than it was when i spoke to you some hours ago. behind me you can see some of those police water cannons still ready, but just safely parked at the side of the street there. if i walk us around a little bit, you request see there are disparat groups of protesters standing around. flags over in this direction. so i don't think that the protesters have completely gone. however, they have been cleared very substantially. if i show you in this direction, there are still riot police on

standby. looking a lot more relaxed than they have been. just this way, katy, still a convoy of police coming by. we don't know where to. but it gives a sense that there are still events taking place across the city. that's one, two, three police water cannons coming by here, and more police who appear to be on their way somewhere in a hurry. i'm just going to let them pass. that is a fairable sizeable contingent of german police heading, we don't know where. at the end there, paramedics. a kind of visual demonstration that this is not a city where the tension is over.

but as far as we can tell right now, is not as tense as it was earlier in the day. >> certainly not as tense. what you're seeing on the other side of the screen right now is images earlier in the day of protesters and riot police clashing, at times violently. we saw a number of water cannons fired off by police to disperse the crowds. kier, did you ever get a good answer from anyone on what exactly they are protesting? >> reporter: well, many things. this, as we know from previous summits, these protesters have gathered. you know, this tends to be kind of, you know, fly paper for all kinds of different groups with many, many different agendas. having said that, they were shouting as they marched through the streets of hamburg with us later in the day.

they were shouting anti-capitalists, anti-capitalists. that appears to be a uniting theme. we have seen some signs directed at president trump in a very negative way. but that wasn't the key message of this protest. it was more about being opposed to the idea of leaders of the world gathering here, to carve up the world. >> the images certainly dramatic. there are protests usually at every g20 summit. kier simmons in hamburg, germany, thank you very much. i'm joined by the senior fellow of the council of foreign relations. he was an adviser to the rubio campaign. max, thanks for joining us. we're going to turn back to politics, and the president overseas today. he criticized american institutions while standing on foreign soil, while standing in eastern germany, both the

intelligence community and the free press. as a conservative, what is your reaction to that? >> i think it's deeply inappropriate. you can just imagine what kind of outcry you would see from fox news and the like, if this were president obama doing this. you remember how they pillared him about the apology. in this present case, this is outright denigrating some of the basic institutions of our society, including the press, the intelligence community, and his predecessor which is something american presidents don't normally do when they travel abroad. i thought that the best part, katy, of the speech in poland was the fact that mercifully, finally, he affirmed nato article 5, which is something he should have done the last time he went to europe in may. mercifully he did that. i think it's to his credit that he did that. then he took away a lot of the good feelings that might have been engendered by his speech with his completely inappropriate comments afterwards at the press

conference. >> what he did not do is say definitively that russia interfered in this election. he was given the opportunity to do so by halle jackson. and he equivocated on it. that being said, only 26 republicans agree that russia interfered in our election. two-thirds say they did not. this is the republican party we're talking about. so as a conservative, is it no longer a conservative position to take, that russia interfered? >> this is bewildering to me, katy, this is why i'm no longer a republican. because ever since the 1940s, the republican party has stood as the party opposing russian expansionism. that has been the hallmark of the republican party going back to the days of eisenhower and nixon and reagan, and now in the present day to have president trump trying to apologize and explain away this unprecedented russian aggression, this

interference in our election last year, is very disheartening to me. and what is more disheartening is what you just mentioned, that so many republicans are willing to go along with trump in explaining away the russian attempt to undermine our democracy. what trump is doing is shameful. what he should be doing is saying, i had nothing to do with the russian interference, and i will make the russians pay a price. instead what he's saying is incomprehensible because he's saying on the one hand, i'm not sure that the russians really interfered, but by the way, i'm attacking obama for not doing more to stop this nonexistent interference. it doesn't make any sense. it doesn't logically track. >> it is double speak, to say russian didn't interfere, but obama should have done something about the russian interference. >> right. obama should have acted on false intelligence. that's what he seems to be saying. >> senate democrats are urging president trump to confront vladimir putin on this tomorrow in their first face-to-face meeting.

do you agree with them that he should do that? >> well, of course he should do that. but i think there's very little chance he will do that. you saw in poland, he's not attacking russia. if he's not attacking russia in a speech in poland, he's certainly not going to attack putin one-on-one in this very small meeting. >> he did criticize him for his attack in ukraine. >> you're right, he talked about their destabilizing activities in ukraine. i guess that's better than nothing. even that is a mealy mouthed way to describe an invasion of a sovereign territory, which is not something we should be going by along to live with in the year 2017. >> max, what does vladimir putin take with it if he doesn't take the meddling in the election up? >> it's basically a green light to putin to say, you can continue doing this. that the 2018 election is fair

game, the 2020 election and all the elections going on in europe. this is not something that started last year and it's not going to end last year. we have to draw a line in the sand and say, you will pay a price for interfering in our democracy. and it's amazing to me that donald trump is attacking obama for not drawing that line in the sand. but he's not doing it either. at least obama did a little bit. trump is doing nothing. that's a message of weakness and ir resolution that will only encourage putin to more aggression. >> max, appreciate your time, sir. >> thanks for having me. joining p me now is amy klobuchar. you heard president trump here today. there is criticism he did not do enough. do you agree with that? >> look, in hibd sight, we could

always try to do more, and president obama could have done more. but i think it was well explained that one of the things he was trying to do was to push putin and to continue the sanctions, and you have the fact that while obama put in place tougher sanctions before he left, president trump, we still don't have the sanctions bill that passed the senate signed into law. i think it would have been much more powerful to have sanctions bill in his hand and have that signed into law. and then to not pussyfoot around the fact that it was russia that attempted to interfere in our elections. as the president did in his answers to the questions. vladimir putin was listening to every word he said. he knows now it's like, hey, it's okay, we're not really blaming you for this, maybe it's other countries. that's just not the way, the position of strength that you want to have when you go into a meeting like that. >> what he also did today was do

what many people wanted him to do on his first european trip. he reconfirmed america's commitment to nato and to article 5. was that enough in your estimation? >> well, i was pleased he did that. having spent new year's eve with senator mccain and graham on the front line with the ukrainian troops and president poroshenko, losing 10,000 people in their country, and then knowing the importance for all of the eastern european countries of nato. i'm glad the president did that. that was very important. but that doesn't take away from the fact that tomorrow he's going to be meeting with vladimir putin, the man that tried to influence an american election. and i think the president is the one that could powerfully take this on by saying, look, right now, we know you're trying to influence one side. next time you may be influencing and helping the other side. this is not what we can have in our democracy, or in any other

democracy in the world. and please get out of the ukraine. do something here about helping us to work with syria and not keep this assad, who's been perpetrating atrocities on his own people in power in syria. and work with us and your allies at this time of great unrest. i just don't think you can do that with vladimir putin unless you come from a position of strength. that's why i would have liked to get the sanction bills signed into law before he went over there. >> senator, at the top of the show we talked about two different versions of the president that we saw today. on the one hand he's recommitting to nato article 5, on the one hand he's also criticizing russia for destabilizing ukraine, but on the other hand he is in eastern europe and he's criticizing the american free press. he's criticizing the intelligence community. he's refusing to say definitively that russia interfered in our election. which version of this president should the american public

believe? can they be compatible? >> well, i don't think they can be compatible. of course, we want to believe the words that were in that written speech. and we all have to believe in our country, that we're going to stand up for the values of freedom and democracy against a foreign power. but what matters is what he's saying behind those closed doors. because clearly vladimir putin hasn't seen any limits coming in place from america. and i appreciate that president obama in those last hours of his presidency put in even the stronger sanctions. but we just haven't seen that kind of strength from this administration when it comes to russia. and i believe putin is someone that listens to power. >> senator, let's talk about the voter integrity commission that the white house has established. minnesota is not going to hand over any publicly available voter information. if it is publicly available, though, why not just say, here's what we have, and do what you will with it, if they can find

it in public records? >> well, there is a reason that 44 states now, red states, blue states and everywhere in between has come out and said we're not giving you this data. >> no, some of the states are giving the publicly available data. >> well, a lot of them don't want to give social security numbers. a lot of them don't want to give voter histories. the reason is right now that information is disaggregated, kept on a state by state basis. to give it to one commission that is now taking the position in a lawsuit in federal court where private si groups sue them, they're taking the position that they don't even have to do a privacy statement, and subject it to potential major cybersecurity hacks, for what our gain is. they're refusing to do that. former secretary chertoff, homeland security secretary during the bush administration, put an op-ed in the "washington

post" today basically saying, i don't think you should do this. you can't trust the security system when millions of citizens have already had their data breached. >> senator amy klobuchar, thank you very much. >> thank you very much. it was great to be on. >> wonderful. we've got more on that bipartisan pushback over the president's push to investigate alleged voter fraud coming up. plus, previewing the president and putin. we'll be right back. ♪ fitting into my skinny jeans again? that's cool. feeling good in slim fit? that's cool. looking fabulous in my little black dress? that's cool. getting the body you want without surgery, needles, or downtime? that's coolsculpting. coolsculpting is the only fda-cleared non-invasive treatment that targets and freezes away stubborn fat cells. visit coolsculpting.com today and register for a chance to win a free treatment. i hate the outside. well, i hate it wherever you are. burn.

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they have been fake news for a long time. they've been covering me in a very dishonest way. do you have that also, by the way, mr. president? >> welcome back to "mtp daily." that was president trump earlier today in warsaw, answering a reporter's question about cnn. let's go to tonight's panel. ann is a diplomatic correspondent for the "washington post." cornell is an msnbc contributor. and robert is an msnbc political

analyst. a former senior adviser for president george w. bush and vice president dick cheney. guys, let's start with that. the american president criticizing the american press in eastern europe. it sounds a lot like something that vladimir putin would be pretty happy with. cornell? >> you know, it is startling. i want to be partisan about this. you can't imagine george bush doing this. you can't imagine bill clinton doing this. you certainly couldn't imagine ronald reagan doing this. what we're seeing is extraordinary. i think in the long term it undermines america's position in the world. it undermines our democracy, it undermines our institutions. in the long run this is not healthy or good for our country in the long term. it should be taken out of sort of a partisan left versus right perspective here. this is not something that american presidents have done, nor should they ever do. >> what about those who say the media overblows this, it's not that big of a deal, let president trump what he wants

wherever he wants to say it? >> there's definitely -- that is a point. i think sometimes the media itself can focus on itself too much. and in some ways, you know, draw attention to the wrong parts of this issue. what's extraordinary to me is that he took time out of the press con frerngs and out of a diplomatic visit focused on a million other issues to spend time on what amounts to, you know, his personal sense of grievance, and then to open it to the polish leader to ask whether he shares that grievance. i don't know how much preparation trump had in looking at what's actually happening in poland, but it is one among a small number of countries in europe where authoritarianism is not entirely out of the realm of possibility. >> isn't there an issue there in

poland right now in terms of the reporters being able to cover parliament there? >> exactly. there are press freedom issues there, and there are human rights issues there. that i -- you know, that i'm sure he knows of. to sort of open it to the polish leader to say, hey, do you have problems with the press, too? it was sort of eye opening to me. >> robert, the prepared speech that he gave today, had a lot of people thinking it was basically the inaugural speech 2.0. dark days, we need to be vigilant. do you think that was the appropriate tone to strike when he is going and speaking in front of the polish people? >> absolutely not. totally unpresidential. totally unamerican if i dare say. when presidents travel abroad, they often will say to their counterparts on the world stage, look at the way we do things. we're very open here. the press is the only profession that is guaranteed for

protections under the constitution. these people you see here, mr. president, these are the people that hold me and people like you accountable. so for the president, and by the way, we fought in world war ii, and world war i, in europe to be able to look for a better day, to say that tomorrow's chapter is going to be better than today. and so for an american president to say what he said, i just cannot even believe it. it's so sad for america to be able to look itself in the mirror. >> a lot of people are saying it looks like steven miller and steven bannon are back having a lot of influence in the west wing, what the president actually says and does. there are also dog whistles that people noticed in the warsaw speech today. take a listen to one section of it. >> the defense of the west ultimately rests not only on

means, by also on the will of its people to prevail and be successful and get what you have to have. the fundamental question of our time is whether the west has the will to survive. i declare today for the world to hear that the west will never, ever be broken. our values will prevail. our people will thrive. and our civilization will triumph. >> you're the expert in this, ann, what do the allies when they hear president trump use that forceful rhetoric? >> it's an odd note to strike going into the g20. he was framing a lot of that in terms of the global fight against terrorism. but he is saying it right ahead of the g20 summit. the whole premise of the g20 group is the west isn't the only game in town. it was formed specifically to

include countries like china, like india, rising economic powers, as well as the old heavyweights and the european financial power centers. so i really wonder what that sounds like to no ren dra modi and xi jinping. but the president's use there of that slightly dark, but also kind of stirring rhetoric about western civilization is -- does sound a bit like the inaugural speech. but i think it also sounds a little bit new and confrontational in a european perspective. i certainly don't think it's what angela merkel wanted to hear before she sees him. >> they got a handshake today, so that is a step above where we had -- >> more than he got from the polish first lady. >> yeah, who dodged his

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welcome back. there's extensive bipartisan

pushback today to the commission set up by the white house of widespread voter fraud. remember, mr. trump tweeted in november, in addition to winning the electoral college in a landslide, i won the popular vote if you deduct the millions of people who voted illegally. we'll remind you that recorded instances of voter fraud are extremely rare. a study showed the rate of voter fraud incidents occurring is less than 3,000ths of 1%. that did not stop president trump from launching a commission led by vice president mike pence, and kansas secretary of state chris koba. the handover publicly available voter data differs state by state.

this morning, vice president pence's press secretary suggested those noncompliant states have something to hide. >> is this pure partisanship that they may be ignoring their own state laws and public records laws in terms of what they can release and should release to the commission. >> joining me now is former ohio secretary of state republican ken blackwell, a member of what is officially called the presidential advisory commission on election integrity. thank you very much for joining us. when you were in charge -- >> great to be with you. >> -- how much election fraud, voter fraud did you experience? >> well, let me tell you. what we don't know is what we don't know. and we have a very, very complicated system where we

can't get certain information, and the federal government definitely can't get at it. what we need to do is have a system to basically said the mission is to look at the integrity of our election process, look at the vulnerabilities, look at the threats, and a new information age to the principle of one person, one vote. our voting laws are set up to do two things. one, to make it relatively easy to register and to cast a vote. but on the other hand, it is balanced by -- that is brnsed by the need to protect legal ballots from illegal ballots. as a consequence what we're looking for is information that will give us a greater sense right now of what our exposure is as a collective system.

we don't have one system. we in fact have 50 systems, plus the district of columbia, and that makes either driven by cooperation and mutual interests, because we're not driven by government force. >> secretary, there have been investigations, there have been studies on this, a number of them, and nobody has found any widespread instances of voter fraud. in fact, there was a -- >> well, let me stop you right there -- no, no, let me -- >> this is not your show, sir -- >> let me -- >> please stop -- >> stop right there. >> please stop for one second. >> -- stop right there. >> let me ask my question and then you can answer it. stop for a second. >> i'll answer your question and the implication. >> there was a study done, this is not a partisan study, a study done by a loyola law professor, found in 14 years, in 14 years from 2000 on, that there were 31

cases of maybe voter fraud in 1 billion ballots. that is a 14-year study. if this is not a widespread thing, if nobody's ever found widespread instances of voter fraud, what is the purpose of this commission? >> let me say that the pew foundation found that we have corrupted voter registration files, which means that we have folks who either registered to vote in two states, or we have folks who are still registered to vote who happen to be dead, and you create vulnerabilities for the integrity of the system. let's be clear, this is about not millions of votes. if you go back to 1976, ohio was decided by less than 12,000 votes. that was less than one vote per precinct. you don't need a million, you

don't need 100,000 corrupted votes, you only needed 6,000 corrupted votes in the state of ohio. if in fact you go to florida, 2000, that decision, and it was the pivotal decision in that state, was less than 600 votes. if you have vulnerabilities in the system that allow illegal ballots to be cast, you destroy the integrity and the confidence in the system. i'll tell you right now -- >> secretary, we're running out of time and i want to ask you one more question. >> okay. let me finish -- >> can i ask you another question? otherwise this is going to be your last answer. >> you don't have to have my bank robbed before i want my bank to get out in front of the vulnerabilities of safety of my money. the same is for ballots and votes. the integrity of our system is by protecting the persons, the

individuals' vote. that is their vote -- their vote is their voice. if you negate your -- >> i don't think anyone will argue with the sproecting the integrity -- >> that's why we need -- >> you krilted a pew study. i assume you cited it because it was the one sent out by the white house. a 2012 pew study. they said that they couldn't find instances of voter fraud. actually, ballots cast, but rather bad record keeping about who was on the voter rolls. that's one point we should point out. number two, if you're talking about election integrity -- let me finish -- if you're talking about election integrity, is this commission looking into interference in our elections by a foreign entity? maybe russia hacking into our election system. is that part of this commission? that seems like a pretty serious thing. >> on that, we could agree. any bad actor, whether foreign

or domestic, any action that corrupts the integrity of our system should be fair game for our expiration. let's be clear about something. we have the best system on the face of the earth. but it is only when we are acting in a bipartisan way, as we have over the years, to protect the integrity of the system. do we in fact protect the voices of the voter. >> why are all the -- why are the -- why is there bipartisan pushback against this? why are republican states and democratic states pushing back if this is all kosher? >> can i talk? there are a lot of secretaries of state like myself who are basically adhering to the tenth amendment. we know that the genius of our system is in its decentralization. there's not one central

government that controls the process. while that is a blessing, it can also be a curse when we're at odds. in ohio, we have 88 county boards of elections, two democrats, two republicans, and they get the job done. nationally we have to have that sort of bipartisan cooperation. i've been on boards and commissions for steny and bill garner, and they are of the democratic party, and we've gotten things done because we knew that working cooperatively together is the way that we get things done. we can fuss and fight about voter i.d. or how many -- how early voting should be structured, but at the end of the day, we always should be concerned about the vulnerabilities in the system. and as i was saying, we don't wait until our banks are robbed

before we expect the banks to protect the integrity of the system. that's all that we're talking about. >> secretary blackwell, thank you very much for joining us. >> good to be with you. joining me is kentucky secretary of state. she is not complying in the presidential commission. secretary, thank you for joining us. you just heard secretary blackwell talking just a moment ago. do you think that he is right to say, i don't need my bank to get robbed, or my savings account to get robbed in order to want to protect my money? >> we already know that there are folks that are interfering in our elections. meddling was the headline. what the secretary admitted, the best asset that we have is the decentralization of our elections. we don't want to eliminate that asset by literally putting all of the cash in just one repository, being the white house. here in kentucky, katy, the

tenth amendment still means something. people all across kentucky, and indeed, this nation, are stepping up and saying, no to the trump white house. they don't want their sensitive personal information residing in the white house. they don't want to make it easier for bad actors such as russia or even hackers to meddle, to interfere in our elections. that's exactly what eliminating one of the best assets of our election system would do. elections are left to the states for a reason. i'm glad kentucky has led the way in making sure that we're going to continue to stand up for our elections process, states' rights and especially individuals' privacy. >> a lot of this information is publicly available. why not just hand over what the white house would be able to find by doing a public document search? >> well, again, this is different, and not similarly situated to the press or even an individual requesting information about another individual. this is a coordinated attempt to create a national voter registration file.

a centralized system that would remove the data out of the hands of what is controlled now by the states, making it easier for actors like russia to actually interfere in our elections. americans are watching. instead of the president wanting their private information, their social security number, they want to know, on friday, is the president actually going to stand up to putin and tell him to quit messing with our elections? that's what this commission should be looking into. and importantly, the conversation that secretary of states of state across the nation want to have is how we can move our election and administration process forward. bob bauer and ben ginsburg did not need to collect data to make those improvements in 2014, and this commission shouldn't either. >> they say your state has something to hide. >> this is a deep red state, katy. whether you're in a deep red state of kentucky, or california, or today south carolina, standing up for an interference by the federal

government in what is something left to states' rights, that's not hiding something, that's protecting what is valued and cherished in the constitution, and our tenth amendment. i'm proud to have led the way for kentucky, 3.3 million registered voters, and to see each of my peers, whether they're democrats or republicans, that are landing in the same spot that we are. you don't have to be sitting in pennsylvania avenue to see that the reception that this commission has received nationally has been anything but welcoming, kind of like a breeze off an outhouse. >> opponents say this will enable there to be a check of voter rolls, to make sure the voter rolls are up to date, number one, and make sure that voters are not registered in multiple states. is there a problem with finding that information out? >> you don't need federal control and overreach in order for states to be able to audit their voter registration rolls. it's one of the recommendations that came forward in the 2014 report. the presidential commission recommended online voter

registration. eliminating the duplicate manual entry by clerks. instead individuals putting in information. states do work collectively amongst themselves without federal government and overreach, especially a president of the united states wanting to try to make sure that our voter rolls are as clean and accurate as possible. we don't need to sacrifice the privacy and 9 security, the sanctity of our elections by putting all of this information in the hands of an administration, katy, that you yourself as news media has reported as a little bit of trouble keeping things confidential. >> secretary of state allison grimes, thank you very much. >> thank you, katy. >> we will be right back.

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until the election last fall which surprised me. i didn't expect donald trump to win. i think most of my colleagues didn't. we didn't expect to be in this situation. given how difficult it is to get to a consensus it was hard to force that. >> they didn't expect to be in a position to pass any sort of health care bill. that's pretty remarkable. >> bravo for being completely honest about it. look, this is what happens when you overpromise in politics and campaigns. campaigning is different from governing. the dog has been caught the car it's been chasing. what do you do with it? you're going to say you're going to repeal obamacare, every line of it on the first day when you're in office. you're face with this problem that health care is incredibly difficult and a lot of what is in obamacare was originally republican ideals.

oppose of them trying to repeal every word of own obamacare. even president obama said it's not perfect. let's make it better. let's make it work. we cannot have a one sided republican sort of health care conversation and health care fix in this country because that's where the problem is. i would like to see republicans and democrats come together and universal, this idea of a mandate, everywhere around the world we know we have to increase the pots a and the num of people buying into health care. let's stop pretending we can get around that because we can't. >> you have senator mitch mcconnell saying he doesn't think there will be a vote next week. maybe a vote next week. pushing it down the line. maybe there won't be a vote on this. republicans, they control the house, the senate, the white house. they may not have expected to be here but they are here.

why can't they get things done? >> well, i take issue with the question. they're getting things done but to your specific point about health care. president trump said it's really, really hard. as you know, the problem with health care on the republican side, there's so many different opinions from rand paul to susan collins. there's a lot going on there for full repeal, partial repeal. there's a lot of republicans that have a lot of voices and they're not speaking from the same sheet of music here. the reality is, the question becomes how can smart people get into a room and figure this out. here's what we know. we know that no entitlement program has been repealed on the history of this republic. we know the affordable health care act is relatively

successful. you cannot deny that exchanges and premiums are going up and exchanges are collapsing in the states. that's fact. the question becomes how can you fix this so all people get something out of it. that's the real question. >> we only have seconds left but this voter integrity commission, most of the states are saying we're not going to come comply. does the white house need to abandon it? >> i don't think they will just in the lawsuit references earlier. the white house says they intend to house this data on compute er ers that would be under the control of the vice president's office. they are pushing forward. they may have to retool it a bit but i don't think they will abandon it. >> thank you very much. >> thank you. >> we'll be right back. noo introducing the easiest way to get gillette blades text "blades" to gillette on demand

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come back. protests turn violent. take a look at these latest images from germany. this is live picture. night has fallen but protesters and police are still on the streets. this was the scene earlier where police used water cannons and pepper spray ahead of the g20. the protesters returning fire with bottle and stones. >> reporter: we just had a series of smoke bombs fired by the police. that's began to disperse the crowd. many of them are pulling themselves up across, out into safety here because they are trying to escape the smoke. as you can see there are now clashes between protesters a