peace and safety. >> thanks for joining us. >> thank. >> thank you. >> that is all in this evening. >> this was and incredible report from tremaine. that is stunning. >> i agree. his remarkable skill. >> in the build we know the monitors are on showing what's on tv as everybody goes about their business. everywhere i walked people were stopped watching it with their mouths open. thank you zbp. we've got a big show tonight. a lot going on in the world. we've got eyes on the big 20 meeting in hamburg berg, german. president trump is there meeting with vladimir putin tomorrow. richard engel is there too, going to be joining us live from germany tonight ahead of his big richard engel special we're doing tomorrow night. >> the head of the ethics office

resigned tonight. the robust way he stood up to the trump administration and to trump himself on ethics issues and the president's unprecedented financial conflicts of interest. his name is walter shoeb. he said he was not forced out of the office of government ethics. he basically says he's leaving because the u.s. governmentestics rules are not strong enough to allow him to stand up to what this president and his family are doing so he is leaving his jb at the office of government ethics in order to try to strengthen the rules from the outside. very interesting resignation today. we've got more on that story ahead. there's a lot going on. we've got a big show tonight. i said at the very end of last night's show we've got a scoop to share with you tonight. this is that scoop. in-house on your staff we've been talking about this as and inside, kind of an inside-out

story. not your typical news story, not your particular scoop. but i think it's important. one of the few times we've ever had a scoop on the show where i feel like i need to send up this like a flare for other news organizations in particular. that's part of what i'm intending to do with part of this story tonight. here it goes. we have this thing we have been doing on our show for a while now that's called www.sendittorachel.com. basically if you want to get in touch with us, give us a tip or send us a document you can do so via that website. we get tons of stuff like that. we get information about local political fights that otherwise aren't getting national coverage. we get a lot of information about bad behavior by elected officials. we occasionally get news about really good behavior by elected officials that has gone unnoticed, we get anonymous tips and documents too.

we get a lot of documents. we've had a lot of first-hand documents come across through the website, showing us how the government is making decisions, whether or not they're talking about it publicly or not. it's a great resource for our reporting. www.sendittorachel.com. it's still up and running. we would like to hear from you. a few weeks ago we got a new document through that channel. and at first glance it was just unbelievably red hot. if by me chance this document is real, it is so sensitive, so classified that i cannot show it to you. i cannot show it to almost anyone because of its purported classification level. it's actually hard to circulate it at all or even to describe it to people. and i don't say that to try to hype it. i say that to let you know it's

logistically hard to validate 37 when it appears to be classified at that level, you can't run a document like that by people the way you would for any other kind of document we might get shipped to us from some source. people who are in a position to recognize or authenticate this kind of document, people who have worked with things at this level of classification, they typically will refuse to look at a document like this if there's any chance it is real, that it is real classified information that has been declosed. the terms of their security clearance mean they can't review anything like that without it creating legal obligations on them. so it's very hard to check this stuff out. classification wise. it is logistically very difficult to deal with, very very sensitive. but in terms of the political implications of this document that we were given, its content, politically this thing is so

sensitive it takes all of the air out f the rooms and the nearby rooms. people talk about finding the smoking gun. what we got was a gun still firing proverbial bullets. here's the deal. we believe now that the real story we have stumble upon here is that somebody out there is shopping carefully forged documents to try to discredit news agents reporting on the russian attack on our election, and specifically on the possibility that the trump campaign coordinated with the russians in mounting that attack. let me show you what i mean. here's what we know. do you know a month ago when a relatively new news organization called the intercept published this report, top secret nsa report detail russian hacking effort days before 2016 election. this was publish by the intercept monday, june 5th.

the intercept has a bunch of good reporters, a lot of reporters who are earned their stripes. in terms of the russia story, the intercept, they are really stood out for being basically aggressively skeptical on that story. skeptical that there was a russian attack on our election, skeptical of the possibility that the trump campaign may have colluded in that russian attack. there is nothing wrong with a news organization having an editorial take on a particular story. i am not criticizing them for their take on russia. but for purposes of understanding what we just found out it's important to understand that the intercept does have a take on the russia attack, the russia sotory air thane take is that it's dismisive of the story. it's rally surprising and interesting that it was the intercept of all places that published this advance. new details into the russian hacking effort days before the

2016 election. the u.s. report that said et went on for longer than previously disclosed within wider than priestly disclosed and they got further in their attack than had been previously disclosed. quoting from the intercept. russian military intelligence executed a cyberattack on one u.s. voting software supplier and spear speer phishing e-mails to hundreds of local officials days before last year's presidential election. russian government hackers were part of a team with a mandate specifically focused on the elections. they focused on the hacking system. russian hacking may have breached om elements of the u.s. voting system. and all of this explosive stuff is cited to, quote, a highly classified intelligence report obtained by the intercept.

in addition to their writeup of it, this is important, the interce intercept, they didn't just publish an article about that top secret intelligence report, they actually published the top secret intelligence report, the top secret nsa report that they say they obtained, five pages of it detailing this mrn intelligence understanding of how russians tried to get into the american election system. it came with a flow chart of how the russians got in, why they targeted the places they did. very detailed. and the whole thing was labeled top secret on every page. the intercept reported when they published this thing that u.s. intelligence officials wouldn't comment on the document but they said agencies did ask them for certain redactions, some of which the intercept agreed to make. so they made those redactions, specific redactions at the request of u.s. agencies and then they hit publish on this

story. big deal right. new detail evidence into american intelligence gathering on russian shan attempts to get inside the election system. this was a big story based again on a very classified document. real story for the intercept. now a month later the intercept story is remembered less for the content of the story and more for what happened immediately after they published. because immediately after they published it we learned that there was an arrest. we got our first head's up of the intercept story just before 4 p.m. on june 5th. an hour later at 5 p.m., the justice department announced they had arrested the person who had allegedly leaked that top secret document to the intercept. and this is a pending federal case against that nsa contractor. it's not resolved at all.

but from the criminal complaint the government filed here, the case is not at all subtle. apparently the nsa can tell how many people have accessed, ever looked at an individual secret document like this. they can tell who they are by name. and in the criminal complaint, the fbi agent named in the complaint lays out how the fbi investigation into this leak proceeded. they have this list of like a half dozen people who they know have accessed this document. they go down that list looking for someone who has accessed the document who also appears to have been in touch with this news organization, with the intercept. by that process they quickly narrow it down to one nsa contractor working in the state of georgia, a contractor named reality lee winter. according to the fbi she was the only one of the six who had both accessed the document and been in touch with the intercept. then they go down a second line of approach. the agent says in this criminal complaint that there's a crease,

like you get a crease from folding something. there's a crease that is visually evident on the document itself that was a clue to the fbi that whoever took this document off of the nsa had printed it, had printed the panel and folded it and carried it out of the nsa office by hand. and then there was another clue -- and this is where the story gets a little bit crazy. most color printers, maybe even all of them, i don't know, they apparently leave behind when they print, right, when they print out a piece of paper from a commuter, when they present they leave behind a fingerprint on every sheet they leave out. you know in old school detective agencies, they figure out which typewriter typed the ransom note. there's a version of that for computer printers too. and that may have come calling when the intercept showed the

nsa this document they had obtained through a source because they wanted the nsa to validate it, to comment on whether or not this document they had received was real. in that document, which we have access to because they published it online when they published their story. in that document along i'dsisid texts and the flow chart and the redactions, alongside all of that obvious stuff was this barely visible fingerprint from the printer it was printed on. the fingerprint is basically a series of light almost invisible yellow printed dots. and unless you're looking for them, you would never notice them just by reading the document. but if you run the page like through an image software and do a magic reversing of the colors and a little brightening so you can see them on your tv, up pops. if you're looking for it, a readable specific grid of these little dots. and that grid of those little dots is basically a fingerprint

and it tells you which exact printer was used to print out that page. tells you the model number, tells you the serial number and tells you exactly which time and date that printing happened. now it may be that the fbi didn't have to use those little yellow printer dots to track down their suspect. the fbi doesn't mention the printer dots in their charges document in this case. but once the sper septembintercd this document, for people who understand the forensic tracking of documentings, those yellow dots were an obvious thing to worry about. they were there to be read by a trained observer on that document that the intercept published online. okay. now let me show you how this worked for us. this is the nsa document published by the intercept. you see the little dots in that specific pattern in rels to the piece of text that we uncovered

there. it's on one of the pages that the intercept covered. now watch, i'm going to show you that same pattern of dots expect this ti -- expect this time it's from a different document. as you can see, it's the same pattern of dots, the top half of the pattern. but what i'm showing you here, this is not the document published by the intercept. this is from the document that somebody sent us throw with www.send it to rachel.com. that same pattern of dots, the supper portion of it exactly appeared on the supposed nsa document that somebody sent to us anonymously. again, you see it here in the intercept document with the dots by the word summary. the same dots, the top part of the pattern appear magic by the word summary in the document that we got. it's not all of the dots. just the ones that appear to have slipped through in a photocopy cut and paste job.

this is what it appears to us. a cut and paste forgery. using the intercept nsa document as a template. and again here. see that thin line is there on the upper left-hand corner. you can see the crease where the fbi says the intercept document was folded after it was printed. we think we see remnants of that exact same crease on the forged supposed top secret nsa document that got sent to us. we got this nsa document the same week the intercept published theirs. here's another thing ki shi can you. look at the metadata. the suspect on the intercept leak goes to jail on saturday, gets arrested on saturday, june 3rd. saturday june 3rd, the fbi interviews and arrests reality winter. she's pleaded not guilty but she's been in jail since

saturday june 3rd. the intercept published their story two days later, around 4 p.m. that monday, june 5th. the forged document we got sent to us appeared to have been created in that narrow window of time after reality winter got arrested and after the intercepter published its documents. our document appears to be a cut and paste forgery derived from the intercept's document. we cannot know for sure. but if that is the case, then whoever did that work to create that forgery was cutting and pasting to create a document, working with a document that was not yet publicly available. they would have started creating that file or they would have started that file after reality winter's arrest and before the intercept published it to everyone and then sent it to us two days later. given what we know about the time it wu sent to us and what we can see from the metadata, we

believe this is the time line. is the time line a clue as to who contacted us and sent us this document? we don't know. maybe the metadata itself is faked or wrong in some way. i don't know. there are other things that are wrong in the document too. that raised red flags for us but they're subtle. there are some little typos. some weird spacing that just doesn't look right. it has a date on it in termtss when in the future it can be declassified. that doesn't make sense if it was produced when they said it was produced. the big red flag for us is that the document we were given, this is part of what made it seem so red hot, it names an american citizen. the document we were sent, which we believe to be a forgery, names a specific person in the trump campaign as working with the russians on their hacking attack on the election last year. and the specific name of the trump campaign person is irrelevant and i'm not sharing it now because we belief from how the nsa works with multiple

conversations with officials familiar with documents of this type, we believe that a u.s. citizen's name would never appear in a document like this. even if the typos and the weird spacing and the other odd stuff has snuck through for some reason. an american citizen name would not have snuck through, not at this level of an nsa report. that our document contains an american name spelled out, that says to experienced people who have worked with this stuff that what we got is forged. it's fake. which is interesting if you work on this show. this is news because why is someone shopping a forged document of this kind to news organizations covering the trump-russia affair? last week three journalists resigned from their jobs at cnn after that network retracted a story they had written about the trump administration. cnn says the sourcing of that

story in retrospect did not meet its editorial standards. also last week vice retracted two stories about the trump administration, like cnn. vice also cited problems with the sourcing of those stories. the thing that's knocking around in the back of your mind right now is from 2004, when the legendary dan rather lost his career on the cbs over a story on the evening news that deviled into george w. bush's truncated service in the national guard. the rather team had documents that they got from a source that they checked out but the sources of the documents was later attacked and undermined. cbs was ripped to shreds over the process they went through. still over a decade later the origin of those documents is murky. but undeniably, cbs running that story was a disaster for two things. it with as disaster for everyone involved and it was a disaster for a news story.

all right. that was in personal terms, that was the end of a trusted voice of reason and insight' perspective dan rather as a regular presence in the family living room. in terms of the news, that was a spike through the heart of the story of george w. bush's national guard service keeping him out of vietnam, which was a true and interesting story and which really might have been a serious ongoing political liability for candidate george w. bush. but nobody was ever willing to touch it again during that campaign because of the way the comets pu documents blew up like a pipe bomb at cbs news. and so head's up, everybody, this is what i mean by an inside-out scoop. somebody for some reason appears to be shopping a fairly convincing fake nsa document that purports to directly implicate somebody from the

trump campaign in working with the russians on their attack on the election. sit it is a forgery. let me kaf yocaveat that. it is either a forgery or every person we consulted about it is wrong. i don't any if the trump administration worked with russia or not. if they did to help trump to the presidency, that is clearly the biggest political scandal in modern history by a mile. we don't know whether it happened or not. not yet. the special counsel is investigating. con cessions committees are investigating. and the news media are investigating. one way to stab in the heart aggressive american reporting on that subject is to lay traps for american journalists who are reporting on it, trick agencies

into reporting. and then after the fact blow the credibility up. you cast a shadow over any similar reporting in the future, whether or not it's try. right. even if it's true you plant a permanent question, a permanent asterisk, a permanent who knows as to whether that too might be false like that other story. whether that too might be based on fake evidence. so head's up, everybody. part of the defense against this trush-russia story now we can report include somebody apparently forging one classified nsa report and shopping it to news organizations as if it's real. we don't know who's doing it but we're working on it. head's up in the meantime, everybody. we will be right back. e i came . finding out that i'm part native american and that i was related to one of the founding fathers i think has brought me closer to

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to show up. today it kicked off with 10 to 15,000 protesters in the streets. within minutes of the start of their planned march today, the march was broken up by german riot police. the police said some protesters were breaking the law by wearing masks that covered their faces so they broke the whole thing up. from there things pretty quickly went pear shaped. police turned water cannons and copious amounts of tear gas. the protesters threw rocks and bottles at the police. by nightfall the protesters were lighting fires in the streets. we don't know how many protesters were arrested or injured. we are told more than 75 police officers were injured today. three of whom had to two to the hospital, including one who had an eye injury when the officer had a firecracker blow up in his or her face. right now as we speak it's after

3:00 in the morning in hamburg. things are died down after the big and violent con ffrontation today there were peaceful protesters that stuck around. as we're told right now, heading into tomorrow, things are still on schedule for the official summit which starts tomorrow. and in terms of american politics, that means everybody is bracing for the first official meeting between president trump and the russian president vladimir putin. tomorrow is trump's first meeting as president with putin. but it is not his first meeting as president with a russian official. i think part of what's giving so many americans so much focus about this meeting tomorrow is what happened the last time trump had a meeting with russians since he's been president. you'll remember that was the one inside the oval office where trump inexplicably disclosed to the russians code secret top

secret intelligence that should have never been shared with any other country, especially the russians. and he told them yes, he had fired the fbi director because of the russian investigation, that he us with feeling pressure because of the investigation and that firing the fbi director gave him hope that he would be relieved of that pressure from that investigation. that's what happened the last time the president met with russian officials. and also, remember, he got played too. remember for that meeting the white house refused to let any american media into the oval office to cover that meeting. but trump did let the russians persuade him to let the russians to bring in their own official russian photographer with his own equipment into the oval office, after which they admitted they had no idea that the photographer worked for a russian news agency and would publish all of the photos. a white house official told the

washington post thereafter, quote, we were not informed by the russians that their official fraefer was dual headed and would be releasing the photographs on the state news agency. cnn's jim acosta got a white house official to speak much more bluntly on the subject. white house furious over the russian government photos of trump meeting with lavrov kislyak. they tricked us. they lie. so know he's going to meet with vladimir putin tomorrow. the people in the room beside trump and putin and two translators in that meeting will be rex tillerson, who was personally awarded the order of friendship by vladimir putin for his friendship to the nation of russia. the only other person beside him will be sur day lsur day lavrov

seen tricking trump into allowing into the oval office a russian photographer and his bag full of electronic equipment. so it will be just the four of them, making sure america's interest are protected in the face of russia's recent attacks on the country. sure, that should go fine. richard engel joins live from hamburg next. just like the people who own them, every business is different. but every one of those businesses will need legal help as they age and grow. whether it be help starting your business, vendor contracts or employment agreements. legalzoom's network of attorneys can help you every step of the way so you can focus on what you do. we'll handle the legal stuff that comes up along the way. legalzoom. legal help is here. if you have moderate to severe ulcerative colitis or crohn's, and your symptoms have left you with the same view,

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richard, i am so happy we have finally got this new series launched. congratulations, my friend. >> i'm really excited about it. thank you. it's going to be interesting. we'll start with this one on russia, on this meeting between trump and putin and we have others in the works. >> tell me about what is going to be in the special tomorrow. obviously the trump-putin meeting is in just a few hours at the g-20 meeting in hamburg where you are. what are you looking at in terms of the first in this series tomorrow night? >> so the way this show, this series is going to work is it will look at a specific subject, in this case it's russia and the u.s. pegged to this meeting, this summit between putin and trump. and it try to look at the issues around it. how does it work? we've heard so much about russia, we've heard so much about the u.s. elections. you've covered it so much in your show. we went to russia.

we went to talk to people who are directly involved in this. we went to several different countries in fact. we're in ukraine. crisscrossed the globe to try to find out more. so what we're going to be looking at in this special is how do you understand russia. what is russia after. what is russia's game. what does vladimir putin hope to do with all -- what is he up to. and that's what this special really tries to look into. the why of the story. and then you know we're working on another one. i was just in baghdad the other day and -- in mosul, skexcuse m about the offensive there. we'll be doing a combination of some front line reporting and jumping from issue to issue, story to story. and i think your audience has clearly shown that they want to hear more about complex issues around the world. >> and you have also sparked something of an insane and difficult for me fight among all

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here's a thought experiment for you. imagine if as soon as donald trump took office he and his republican allies in congress passed a law that said the editor of your favorite newspaper or the manager of your favorite tv network would be hand selected and installed in office by trump donald trump's treasury secretary. it would be one of the follow-up questions on election night. trump has won the election. steve mnuchin who will you put in charge of nbc news and cnn and the "the new york times." that is not the way it works here, praise jesus and the founding fathers. but in poland that has recently become not a thought experiment. last night we started talking about the radical change in government that preceded this visit by president trump today topo land. very conservative right wing nationalist party came to power in poland less than two years

ago. did all sorts of things the to consolidate in themselves all forms of political power. they removed the secret services, took over the supreme court. put their finance minister in charge of hiring and firing at media outlets in poland and they didn't make up some high-minded reason for that change. the president said he signed that law about who's running media companies because all of those dark journalists were biassed against him so they had to go. they just kept going. trying on a new rule to limit the number of journalists who would be allowed into the parliament. those who were allowed in to cover the parliament would have to stay in a special room and not go out into the lhalls wher they might run into a special lawmaker and no one would be allowed to film or take pictures. this sparked a backlash of protests and a block aid of the

parliamentary hall by opposit n opposition. they scrapped if plan saying the plan was intended to help journalists organize their work better. that's nice. and you know it's one thing, you know, whether or not you call about poland. but today, after in recent weeks senate republicans here briefly tried to institute a plan where american journalists would be no longer allowed to interview anybody in the halls of the u.s. senate. after a few weeks press briefings stopped all together and journalists have been restricted from using their cameras and audio cameras at white house briefings. today our president went topo land where they've had radical curtailment of the press and standing beside the polish president, our american president joined him in attacking the press. >> they have been fake news for a long time. they've been cofferi icovering

very dishonest way. do you have that also, by the way, mr. president? >> see that face the polish president made. in polish that face means we did have that, mr. president, then then we fired all of the journalists. you should try it. used to have that problem. in any year before this year's po land's media crackdown is the kind of thing that you would expect a visiting american president in poland to raise a big stink about. not to make common cause with. still with us a is nbc chief foreign correspondent, richard e engel. as a journalist who works around the world in inhospital tabl places, do you think it matters materially when an american president says stuff like that in a venue like that. does it have an impact or is it just noise? >> i think it has an e nnormous

impact. if you remember when president trump got elected, and i'm sure you do, the first most effusive reactions to come in were from countries like poland, the far right government there, the far right government in hungary, far light leaders like marine le pen, the brexit movement in the uk. they thought they had a new member of the club. they thought the u.s. now has someone just like us, sympathetic to our cause. whereas the sort of let's call them other european countries were somewhat diplomatic. but in private, in private conversations i had with them, their hair was on fire. it does matter when you have the u.s. president come and share the stage with the government, with a country who is tearing apart press freedom and skort of joke sort of jokes about how is the press going in your country. i think it sends an absolutely

loud and clear message of encouragement that this kind of behavior is not only tolerable, but it's something that the united states and the u.s. president encourages. >> and richard, looking ahead to the g-20 and to obviously everybody is very much focused on that bilateral meeting between trump and putin which is going to happen in just a few hours, what do you think we should be looking for in terms of the way trump is received on the stage tomorrow from that important bilateral meeting but in general at the summit, in terms of america's role in the world and how it's changed under this president, what are you going to be watching for? >> reporter: i want to watch the statements that come out of the meeting between putin and trump. you brought up a tiny example but i think a really revealing one. lavrov, the russian foreign minister was in the oval office and then suddenly the rugss russians released the photograph which the white house really

didn't want to release. and i would be curious to know if tomorrow there will be dual releases. the u.s. will release some summary of what happened during the meeting and the russians will as well. i want to see who goes further. and if the russians go further and further and start laying out all of the things that they supposedly agreed upon, will the u.s. push back? will president trump say we didn't do that or will that become policy. will he get played. that's one of the things i want to see about. because there could be some very big statements there. and if this is not -- this is not the policy that trump agrees to, he's going to have to go out and say no, putin lied. so we will see. >> richard engel, the host of the brand-new series "on assignment with richard engel" which starts tomorrow night, 9:00 eastern msnbc. thank you so much. i'm super psyched for tom. thank you for being here tonight. >> reporter: until tomorrow. >> we'll be right back. stay with us.

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before the 2000 presidential election, florida, under then governor jeb bush, paid a private company to purify florida's voter rolls. you know, eliminate duplicates and take off dead people or felons who are on the rolls. the resulting list was full of mistakes. the state ended up wrongly purging thousands of people off the rolls who should have been allowed to vote, disproportionately they purged african-american voters. because this was florida in 2000, because jeb's brother ended up winning by just over 500 votes, the decision to kick thousands of people off the rolls wrongfully very well could have swayed not just the results in florida but arguably the presidency. and that's where the white house's new pop-up election comes in. the same day this past week that a letter went out from the white house's new commission to all 50 states asking for voter information from everybody who has voted in every state, this letter also went out not from

kris kobach and the pop-up commission but from the justice department. state election officials got this from the justice department informing them that justice is, quote, reviewing voter registration list maintenance procedures in each state to make sure states are in compliance with the law that decides who should be kicked off the voter rolls. justice department tells the states to explain how they're going to kick people off the rolls in every state in the country. we talked to officials in rhode island and california, who told us that the justice department letter was a total surprise out of nowhere. people who track this sort of thing say the letter is unprecedented. they're calling it a detective from the federal government to start purging voters off the rolls. it appears that the justice department is laying the groundwork for a lawsuit if states refuse. this is one to keep an eye on. we have seen big purges of the voting rolls before, and we have seen it go very, very wrong. whether or not there is a national effort to push for that sort of thing, we do not know. but watch this space. the department of justice pushing for that.