good sunday to you. one day from arriving from the g20, the president gets criticized for saying today he wants to form a joint cybersecurity unit with russia, which adds to the question, what was said during trump's meeting with vladimir putin? did the president also push the issue of russian election meddling enough? >> an honor to meet the individual who carried out the assault against our election? >> president trump still knows that they meddled. president putin knows they meddled, but he is never going to admit to it. plus, a look at how president trump's go it alone approach played out on the world stage. and back to work for

lawmakers in washington. health care for millions of americans on their shoulders. the senate bill now more bruised than before the congressional recess. and defeating isis, celebrations in the city of mosul as iraqi prime minister there declares victory after a long battle over one of its last strongholds. we start this hour with president donald trump pushing out several statements on twitter today. they include comments on his g20 meeting with russian president vladimir putin saying, "i strongly pressed president putin twice about russian meddling in our election. he vehemently denied it. i've already given my opinion." he also said this, "we negotiated a cease-fire in parts of syria, which will save lives. now time to move forward working constructively with russia." and this one, "putin and i discussed forming an impenetrable cybersecurity unit so election hacking and many other negative things will be guarded." just some of his comments this morning. on "meet the press," here's

republican senator lindsey graham and his reaction. >> it's not the dumbest idea i've ever heard, but it's pretty close. he gave a really good speech in poland, president trump did, and he had what i think is a disastrous meeting with president putin. nobody's saying, mr. president, the russians changed the outcome, you won fair and square, but they did try to attack our election system. they were successful in many ways, and the more you do this, the more people are suspicious about you and russia. >> senator marco rubio was more harsh, saying, "partnering with putin on a cybersecurity unit is akin to partnering with assad on a chemical weapons unit." kelly o'donnell at the white house, good afternoon to you, kelly. the president seems to be reaffirming what the secretary of state, rex tillerson and others have been saying in the readout from that meeting. >> reporter: well, this was the president's "first look" person account of what happened with that meeting of president putin.

we had heard from secretary tillerson, who was the other official in the meeting. these were the two people sitting across from vladimir putin and describing what went on during the two hours and 16 minutes. both men are saying president trump went after putin in terms of pressing him, is the word, each of them used, about the hacking. both say that putin denied it. putin is saying publicly that the president accepted his response. u.s. officials are not characterizing it that way, although the president wasn't specific about that. so in many ways they are talking about the same things. there is one area of discrepancy that i haven't been able to sort out yet. i've asked white house officials for clarification. the president tweeted today that sanctions did not come up and that until syria and ukraine are resolved as issues, they would not come up against russia, whereas secretary tillerson did tell reporters that the president raised the issue of sanctions. he was referring to congressional sanctions that people like lindsey graham and

john mccain and others strongly support. so there's a little confusion there as to what was talked about with sanctions. of course, we know that putin would love to see some of the things that president obama enacted himself. executive level sanctions. he'd like to see those rolled back. maybe that's what president trump was referring to. richard? >> let's stay on the topic of russia right now. a story that you've been following here and a new report from "new york times" about an alleged meeting with the russian national during the campaign season. what do we know about that? >> reporter: well, donald trump jr. and jared kushner, through his lawyer, both acknowledged there was a meeting, along with paul manafort, who served as campaign chairman at the time in june 2016, so a couple weeks after president trump, then a candidate, secured the nomination, but before the convention taking a meeting at trump tower with a woman who is a russian attorney and "the new york times" in its reporting says she has ties to the kremlin and has clients and other associations that are close to the russian government.

there she is. and donald trump jr. says this was just a meeting suggested by an acquaintance to discuss russian adoptions. there was a very active and arguably popular program where american families could adopt russian children. that was ended by president putin in a dispute over an act which is a law that goes after the president of russia by extension for human rights violations there and that's one of the reasons why the russian adoption program ended. so they say just a meeting, 20 minutes, nothing to it, no follow up, but it raises questions about why was there such a contact in the first place? was it the appropriate thing to do? was it part of their foreign policy? those questions certainly came up from adam schiff, who is the top democrat on the house intelligence committee, who wanted to know why this was happening in the first place. >> there's no reason for this russian government advocate to be meeting with paul manafort or

with mr. kushner or with the president's son if it wasn't about the campaign and russia policy. obviously, they were trying to influence one of the candidates, the leading candidate at that time on the republican ticket. so what we heard thus far doesn't make much sense. >> reporter: and reince priebus, the white house chief of staff when asked about this said it was just a meeting, not a big deal, but he also said there is reporting the woman involved and person who set up the meeting might have ties to opposition research and they are sort of looking at accusing democrats of perhaps trying to prompt this meeting to get something on donald trump. reince priebus put that out today when he appeared on television, suggesting maybe the set up for the meeting was itself a set up. richard? >> nbc's kelly o'donnell with the very latest for us. kelly, thank you so much at the white house. let's bring in josh leatherman, national security and foreign policy reporter.

thanks for being here. let's start with that on the reporting coming from kelly o'donnell. she was saying the white house is saying not a big deal, but is it a big deal, this report about this meeting? >> i think there is not damning evidence about that meeting in and of itself, but the problem is, it feeds this narrative out there that there is something untoward going on or was something untoward going on between the trump campaign and russia, and every time there's another detail, it seems to add to the overall picture that there's something shady happening, news organizations find out about these meetings. the information never seems to be volunteered, and i think for all those reasons there's a cumulative effect that is, in fact, damaging to the trump white house. >> josh, build on that. as you know, this is also undisclosed by any of those allegedly involved in the meeting and brings up the

question again here, josh, does it violate any laws, who might be the policer of this? does the office of government ethics, are they the ones to get into this? of course, as we know, the boss of that department has resigned. >> right. there's nothing specifically about what is being reported regarding this meeting that really moves the ball as far as the entirety of what we know about the extent of the types of contacts between the trump campaign and russia, but it's such a clear reminder for president trump that he can go to the g20, he can sit with putin, address these issues, and then have himself and all of his cabinet members say we really need to move on now and pursue a more productive relationship with china, but then he's going to come back home to washington and these stories aren't going to stop. it's going to be an endless cycle, at least until this resolves itself through some type of conclusion from this investigation that's going on, and it's going to continue to make it difficult for the president to try to focus on those bilateral relationships and the foreign policy moves he's trying to make when there

continues to be this weight dragging him down on the russia story. >> that is the question, how big of a weight might it be, knile, as we look at word sanctions discussed between putin and president trump, was the denial then strongly rebuked by president trump? how does this resinate right now for voters in the heartland and the next election outside of the beltway? >> so on the one hand, president trump has declared the g20 a great success, but him saying that or tweeting it doesn't necessarily make it so. i think that this meeting with putin was one that the russians have more cause to be happy about than the american side does. the question of how far or how much it resinates outside the beltway, that is a different question. i can understand voters thinking that they have many more pressing issues in their lives and minutia of whether sanctions were discussed, for example, but the problem politically is it's

a distraction from the republican agenda, and it also does, i think, intensify the opposition to president trump among people who are already critics. >> josh, the president reaffirming again what secretary of state tillerson had said and his readout after the meeting, right, in the tweets that came out from president trump today. why do you think president trump needed to do that today? was it in place basically of a press conference he did not hold? >> i think he felt the need to characterize what happened himself because he was seeing the incredible amount of news coverage that meeting was getting and seeing people like us talking about it on cable news, which we know he watches very closely, so he felt he wanted to put his own stamp on it, but this isn't the first time that we've had major sensitive meetings involving trump where there is later a dispute about exactly what happened. the comey meetings are another example of it, and i think we have to be very attuned to how that affects some of our other countries that we're talking with as they are deciding going

forward how they are going to deal with trump and they realize that there is going to be this confusion and that it's possible to sort of exploit that by characterizing things the way you want it afterwards, knowing that even if the president says actually we talked about "x," it's going to be a bit of a confusing situation and people will take from it what they want. >> all right, josh letterman, neal stange, thank you both. this could be a big win in the fight against isis. today, on the ground and declaring victory in mosul. he personally congratulated iraqi troops as the fight to regain control of the city nears its end. the bloody campaign now lasting nearly nine months, and it left the city in ruins, killing and displacing thousands of civilians. isis militants seizing control in 2015, the leader declaring it a caliphate. let's bring in nbc's richard engel live from irbil, iraq,

with the latest on this. richard, what challenges still remain? suicide bombers to be worried about? is there an actual victory there in mosul? >> reporter: no. there is not a victory yet. there is still pockets of the city. there's still heavy fighting. we had a crew in mosul all day, so we can tell you with 100% certainty that there is still a great deal of fighting taking place in the center of mosul, but it is not very -- the terrain that is still held by isis is shrinking, and it is shrinking by the day. we're now talking about a few pockets in the old city of mosul. less than half a square mile, if you added up all the pockets together. so, isis, it is inevitably going to lose and that's, i think, why you saw the prime minister come today. i think he was initially going to declare victory, but we've spoken to iraqi officials in

baghdad just a short while ago that told us there's not going to be any television announcement or state address, no declaration of celebrations in this country until those last pockets of the city have been cleared out. it could take some time. it could take a few more days or a week or more for the last pockets to be cleared out, because the isis fighters in there, some of them foreign fighters, it's presumed most, if not all of them, are willing to fight to the death. our crew today saw bodies amid the rubble and there was a female isis militant still wearing a suicide vest, which was clear to see on the body. so, even if it's a small area when you have a determined enemy, it could take a very long time to push them all out, but the path to victory does seem assured. >> okay. live for us in iraq, nbc's richard engel, thank you so much for that. you can watch richard's special series, by the way, "on

assignment" tonight at 8:00 p.m. eastern time right here on msnbc. thanks again, richard engel. joining us live from morganstown, west virginia, is bett fouhy, who is with senator sanders himself. hello there beth and senator. >> how are ya? >> hello there, richard. we just came out of the big rally here in morgantown, senator sanders hoping to pressure the senator from this state, the republican senator, to stand firm as she has thus far in opposing the republican senate bill, which could come up in washington as soon as this week. senator sanders is here, nice to see you, senator. >> good to be with you. >> thank you so much for doing this. so you said at the very beginning of your speech that you know how popular donald trump is here. he won the state by 42 points. that puts the senator in a big jam, does it not? >> i don't think it puts her in

a big jam. this particular legislation is massively opposed by the american people, and i suspect the people of west virginia. last poll i saw had 12% to the people supporting it. nobody, not in west virginia, vermont, anywhere else, thinks it's a great idea to give tax breaks to billionaires and throw 22 million people off health insurance. i think this will be a senator opposing this legislation, i think she'll receive a lot of support in west virginia for that. >> you made the point you know her, known her for quite some time. do you believe she's persuadable on this point? >> yes. i mean, i think, and i have no reason to doubt she wants to do what's best for the people of west virginia and if that's her consideration, she's going to vote no. >> have you reached out personal? >> i've talked to joe manchin a lot. the issue here is not only going to throw so many people off of medicaid, not only are you going to raise premiums significantly for older workers, this is a state that perhaps more than any other state in america is struggling with this horrific

opioid epidemic. it is terrible here, and if you make massive cuts in medicaid, you will significantly reduce the ability of this state and every other state to address that crisis. i think senator capito understands that. >> you're going on to your next rally, which is in kentucky, to press the man himself, mitch mcconnell, on this point. he's being described by so many people as a legislative master, who even despite the misgivings about the legislation and low polling, as you describe, could figure out a way to press this through. how does he do that and how do you prevent that? >> the point about going to kentucky is to make the point that, you know, my state of vermont has done okay. we have made gains as a result of the affordable care act. do you know what state in america has done the best? west virginia's done pretty well. the state that's done the best is kentucky. their uninsured rate has plummeted. they have 4% of their kids uninsured. so if you want to look at a success story for the affordable care act, it is the state of

kentucky. why in god's name is the senate leader from kentucky trying to destroy legislation and throw, i think, several hundred thousand people in his own state off health care? that makes no sense to me at all, and i think the answer gets back to what i told a moment ago, it is big money. wealthy and large corporations want tax breaks and to heck with ordinary people whose lives may be in trouble. >> what senator mcconnell would say, this has been a promise they've made the last seven years, ever since obamacare was enacted. they told their base they would repeal and replace obamacare. he's trying to make good on his promise. >> nobody -- i made this point here, the affordable care act has serious problems. premiums too high, deductibles too high, co-payments too high, prescription drug costs off the wall. let's deal with those issues. i, myself, believe this country has to move toward a medicare for all single care program

guaranteeing health care to all people as a right, but short term let's address the problems of the affordable care act. that's what the people of west virginia and kentucky and vermont want. they just don't want to just repeal it and leave so many people without insurance. >> senator mcconnell back in kentucky last week mentioned if his plan to push through new legislation does not pass, he might have to move toward cooperating with the other side. >> oh, my god. imagine that. having to work with the other party. what a terrible thought. >> do you think he was sincere? >> who knows? but what i think has got to happen is we do have to take a look at the problems. we have to ask ourselves why we're the only major country not to guarantee health care to all people. why the costs in this country are so much higher per person, why prescription drug costs are so high. let's throw them on the table and involve people in the medical profession and work this through. >> senator sanders, it's been a pleasure. safe travels to kentucky.

senator sanders in his own words, off to senator mitch mcconnell's home state. >> great conversation, appreciate your time and all the folks behind you. msnbc's senior political reporter beth fouhy in west virginia. next, the battle over person voters' information continues with more states saying no to the white house. we go to indianapolis where secretaries of state there are gathering for an annual meeting, but one person is missing, the person who leads that voter fraud commission. you're not taking these. hey, hey, hey! you're not taking those. whoa, whoa! you're not taking that. come with me. you're not taking that. you're not taking that. you're not taking that. mom, i'm taking the subaru. don't be late. even when we're not there to keep them safe, our subaru outback will be.

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state assembled today in indiana's capital, and much of the talk is about resistance to the president's commission on, quote, election integrity, which sent a letter this week demanding personal information about voters in all 50 states. >> we're not going to hand over any private protected information by state law, and that includes birth dates and social security numbers. >> there's not enough bourbon in kentucky to make this request seem palatable. indeed, it's been about as welcome across the united states as a breeze from an outhouse. >> there is no systemic massive voter fraud of the kind that the president has discussed. >> included among the kobach commission's demands made on all 50 states are these, addresses, date of birth, political party, last four dinggits of social security number, voter history, data on citizens living overseas. trump signed an executive order on may 11th to create the commission on voter integrity. critics, however, charge the

kobach commission's real goal is to back up one of the claims of the early trump administration, namely that he would have won the popular vote if you deduct the millions of people who voted illegally. it's a claim that's raised suspicion among some attends of this week's conference in indianapolis. take a listen. >> i'm very skeptical about this commission. i think it's probably a trojan horse for voter suppression efforts. i have a lot of questions what this data is going to be used for. >> joining us now at the conference in indianapolis is minnesota's democratic secretary of state steve simon. secretary, thanks for being here with me right now. the question i have for you, do you share this concern that the commission is a trojan horse, as was said about that one democratic secretary of state? >> yeah, i am very, very concerned about this commission, and i have serious doubts about the trustworthiness of the whole enterprise. you look at the two co-chairs of the commission, vice president mike pence, kansas secretary of state kris kobach, two people

who have been loud and proud about their belief that the president is correct that millions upon millions of people voted illegally, a claim, by the way, that's not only been debunked, but attacked rightly as unfounded, reckless, and irresponsible. they are entitled to their opinion, of course, but that doesn't mean them objective, and this whole enterprise looks like the opposite, like something that's precooked, predetermined outcome, and i can't abide that as a secretary of state who's being asked to hand over without any other questions being answered up to 4 million voter records of minnesotans, including the information you said was requested. i can't do that, so i'm one of the states saying you're not getting any of this information from our office. >> which states have you heard that said they do support this request from the commission? i spoke to two others secretaries of state yesterday, republican and a democrat, both said they are not going to oblige this request. who does support it, and what are they saying about it? >> well, i think there are some

who think it's a good idea to look at our election laws, where there's a potential for fraud, and that's all well and good, and who could be against that? but the question is, what is the aim here and what's really going to happen with the data? you'll get secretaries who say they are generally supportive of a broad inquiry, but i don't think i've heard one yet, apart from mr. kobach from kansas, not one, who agrees with the president's assessment after the election after he lost the popular vote that 3 to 5 million people in this country voted illegally. just not true, has no basis. by the way, i don't need to tell you and your viewers we have fresh evidence and cause this morning to be very, very concerned. we have the president of the united states saying on election wills matters and others he seeked some kind of cybercooperation with russia. if that alone isn't reason enough to be highly suspicious of handing over sensitive voter information, i don't know what is. >> he's talking about cybersecurity specifically and in this case you're right, the 3 to 5 million the president has

claimed have been fake voters, there's no basis yet as of yet of fact behind that claim. when you do look at one of the concerns, though, 2018, your state, minnesota, great state, working on concern of potential meddling from other foreign powers or other foreign entities, that is one of the headlines of the associate press reporting on your first three days that you and others are indeed concerned abiliout that. >> absolutely, that ought to be the top priority, which is one of the reasons i'm so frustrated with this commission. i think it's a distraction and way to turn our attention away from where we should really be paying attention, and that has to do with cybersecurity. that is far more of a potential threat than these sort of one-offs occasionally that happen in various states when it comes to voter fraud at the polling stations. when you're talking about seeking 5:actively to undermine our elections or worse, that's the real threat, that's where i'm spending my time and energy and hope others would, as well.

>> one to ten, ten the highest, how concerned are you of meddling in your election system? one to ten? >> united states generally? >> no, you, your state. >> my state? we have safeguards in place to minimize, certainly more than five in terms of how likely that is. >> thank you, sir, i appreciate your time and know you have to get back to the conference. minnesota secretary of state steve simon in indianapolis. thank you. >> thank you. both say it was a success, even as their stories differ. u.s u.s.-russia relationship in transition, and the reason between donald trump jr., jared kushner, and a russian lawyer meeting last year. (vo) living with ammonia odor? not a pretty picture. (vo) luckily, tidy cats lightweight with new ammonia blocker tackles tough odor, even ammonia. so long stankface! (vo) ammonia like that? there's a tidy cats for that.

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the president is facing some blowback at home this afternoon over his time with vladimir putin this week. >> right before he met with mr.

putin and talked with him at some length, which i'm glad he did, he said it's an honor to meet president putin. an honor to meet the individual who carried out the assault against our election? to me it was a dishonorable thing to say. >> that was former obama cia director john brennan on "meet the press" today, among those doubting trump held putin accountable, senator john mccain. >> we know that russia tried to change the outcome of our election last november, and they did not succeed, but there was really sophisticated attempts to do so. so far, they have not paid a single price for that. yes, it's time to move forward, but there has to be a price to pay. >> why does there have to be a price? >> otherwise he will be encouraged to do so again, obviously. i mean, does anyone doubt his intentions? >> joining us now, former chief

of staff of the deputy secretary of state, also policy adviser to hillary clinton's campaign. thanks for meeting with us, laura. you heard what john mccain was saying there, do you think the meeting with both presidents that now vladimir putin feels more empowered to go about his, if you will, foreign policy? >> yeah, i think senator mccain is absolutely right, it's really important we put in place measures that make sure russia pays the price for what they did, but i don't think that's enough. we need to be taking steps here at home to defend against and deter these attacks in the future. what's deeply concerning to me about the president's encounter, his own tweets this morning, he doesn't seem to grasp russia is actually attacking us. secretary mnuchin on one of the morning shows this morning talked about a strategic alliance with russia. that is deeply concerning to me. russia has attacked, and if this administration thinks heading into a strategic alliance would

be in the interest of the united states and our national security, i think they are incredibly misguided. >> two sides to this, we're getting the sense from the view from the united states, but then there's also vladimir putin, his inner circle and their view back at the united states and donald trump. now, what do you think that view might be? >> i mean, we've certainly seen in russian media from foreign minister lavrov's comments, the way they've been covering the meeting, they think this was a success for them and that should set up alarm bells immediately in our minds. the fact that the president this morning in one of his tweets didn't seem to contradict the idea that he agreed or exceeded to vladimir putin's denial of their involvement in the election, i mean, again, i think that this is an area where he's being derelict in his duty as commander in chief to protect the country, and i think that we need to ensure we remain clear eyed. certainly, there are things we need to do with russia. we have work to do with russia. that's always been the case. that's very different than entering into some kind of

compact with them where we suddenly think interests are aligned. >> go with what me on this idea of decoupling the putin/trump relationship with the u.s.-russia relationship, and if you will, start with trump/putin relationship, because it seems like they got along. >> obviously, we've seen the footage from the meeting, we've seen the accounts coming out of it. you know, we've seen people who thought they got along with vladimir putin before, you know, george w. bush famously looked into his eyes and saw his soul. we've seen this before. vladimir putin knows how to play american leaders like a fiddle when he wants to. he's very skilled at this. he went into this meeting incredibly prepared, knew exactly what his playbook was and i think he got out of it what he wanted to, so i don't know the quality of the relationship between the two leaders is necessarily the factor that should be guiding us here. >> that's right, when we look at the u.s.-russia relationship, country-to-country, clearly, clearly at odds when we look at

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they are celebrating in the streets of iraq's second city today, the nation's prime minister declaring victory. the terror group's three-year reign coming to an end and now the rebuilding can begin. many children educated in isis schools now for several years. those children must be deprogrammed now. take a look at an excerpt from a segment produced by the journalists of nbc news digital.

joining me now, producer of the piece you just saw. thanks for being here. you know, as i watched, this is a short section of your report.

is this a child soldier? >> him in particular i wouldn't call him a child soldier. i don't think the kind of radical ideology that isis was trying to inject into this new generation, i don't think it really took with him, he just seemed more traumatized than anything else, but others like him, you know, it's difficult because they are very young, so, you know, you don't want to make assumptions or judge them too harshly, but at the same time, you know, some of them were more open to this kind of ideology than others. >> who are they? >> the children? >> yeah. >> most of them are just, you know, poor farmers, shepherds, things like that, you know, mostly uneducated, mostly, you know, without a lot of exposure to different kinds of mentalities. >> and what is this training like, how long is it? got a great first person sense of what is so difficult here. >> well, as far as i know, they

treat them -- you know, the good camps and good ngos treat them immediately with psychiatrists, psychologists if they can. they are very short staffed, obviously, so that's a problem, but they have workshops in the camps, they try to teach them, you know, how to live a moderate muslim life, and, you know, what isis has done to the country, as well, so it's a process of, you know, deprogramming that starts with the ideology. >> and what is the isis curriculum? >> so, it was basically this really toxic combination, because one of the first things they would do when they took over a village is they would open up a school, and they would also install radical imams at the mosque, so at one avenue you have this very heavy emphasis on religion and, you know, radical ideology, then classes on body building, how to make ieds,

become a suicide bomber, so, yeah, it was a very dangerous thing. they wanted a new generation of children to be just like them. >> quickly, how are they doing, what do they need to help these children? >> i mean, resources and political will in the countries, you know, maybe more pressure, you know, from western countries, you know, on certain political actors in the country. there's a lot, there's a lot that needs to be built before we get to the point where we're sure a group like isis won't return because of this generation. >> thank you for that story. so important, as we have been reporting on it for some time, but these are the important details of this difficult situation. thank you for that great story. more on the fight against isis in iraq coming up in our next hour. stick around. you're not taking these. hey, hey, hey! you're not taking those. whoa, whoa! you're not taking that. come with me. you're not taking that.

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hollywood does not talk about this openly, systemic lower pay for actors who are women and minorities. in an article this week, one of the world's highest paid actresses, emma stone, did just that, saying even the most successful female actors only get 80% of their male equivalent. she said equal wages only come when a male co-star decides to lower his salary, saying, "they feel it's what's right and fair. that's something that's also not discussed necessarily. equal pay is going to require people to selflessly say that's what's fair." "variety" published a rare snapshot of salaries in october. women had a 10% to 15% disparity. other estimates have it double that. that may be because some hollywood executives rank women at a 20% discount. the scale is a congressmenly

reduced ranking at the box office. past rankings show women stars yield 20% less at the box office. the same pay challenge surfaced in a broadcast drama this week with series "hawaii five-0," two actors, grace park and daniel dae kim left after seven successful seasons. "variety" reports, "insiders say cbs's final offer to kim and park was believed to have been 10% to 15% lower than what alex o'laughlin and scott khan made in salary. park faces the gender challenge on pay that emma stone describes, but both park and kim may also face a challenge on pay because they are minority, unlike their white "hawaii five-0" co-stars. on that point, the "variety" salary snapshot shows actors of color only make 55% to 68% of their white counterparts, and that is if these actors of color

get the few roles available to them in hollywood. let's bring in our guest, actor and producer brian yang. fans will remember him as "five-0" lab partner. brian, why does this happen? if these numbers aren't correct, as they are reported by "variety," why does this difference happen, do you believe? >> well, i think -- i mean, it's a systemic problem that starts from the top. and as long as hollywood has been in business, it's just been that way, and so the system is broken. and something needs to be done about that. now, i don't have a magic wand, i wish we could do this. i think the simple answer to that is really the folks that are who in charge and this is kind of across the board whether it becomes a salary, green lighting projects, are generally, you know, white male that fit a certain demographic,

so those in charge will dictate the rules, so to speak, and thus, you know, when it comes to salaries, that's what's reflected in the thinking. >> let's build on what you're saying, brian. to you, you've been in the business for ten years watching what's happening, what about the heads of studios? one place why this is maybe happening? >> well, partially. i feel that, you know, a lot of people, when we look at the heads of studios, they are still mostly white and male. for example, there's a new head at sony and there's a new head at several studios and they just played musical chairs with the people that used to run the studios, so we have a lot of women decision makers coming into their own. >> are they making the same amount? >> i would highly doubt it, and the sony hack in 2014 revealed not only with jennifer lawrence being paid less than her costarse costars, but the woman that was the co-president of the studio at the time, was making over a million dollars less than the person who was her co-president, which is absurd. >> brian, as we were talking

about, you were actually on the series as a recurring character. what was your experience like there relevant to maybe what we're talking about today? >> well, you know, i wasn't a series regular, so i can't speak to what was happening, you know, at the very top. i was, you know, treated fairly, so i have, you know, nothing -- no dirt, so to speak, to say, but everyone got along on set. it was a cohesive unit. i think those things that happen behind closed doors at the top are negotiated and coming out now, i can say that it wasn't necessarily something that just happened overnight, you know, stars sign on for multiple years from way back when the series begins, and so now we're seeing, you know, all this come to light, which, you know, is important to talk about in the open kind of shed light on the subject. >> it's not easy to talk about this as an actor, which you are. to come out and say, well, i'm not happy with this deal, it's not necessarily, oh, that's

great, that's fantastic. >> yeah, no. it's not. it's not. but it is important to talk about it and address it, and all the talk about it in the last week, you know, i think it's going to challenge the powers that be and this is a good thing. >> what's one of the solutions here, melissa? >> well, i think one of the solutions is actually paying people equally. i mean, we shouldn't have to be fighting. like, the fact that they, cbs, said they had given them a substantiative raise means that they were paying them so much less, and the fact that emma stone's co-stars need to take pay cuts, why aren't they just paying people equally? this is about the value that we put on people, and right now we're valuing white and male much higher than anybody else. >> so you've made the change here, brian, where you shifted over to being the decision maker. you're now executive producing pieces. is that part of the solution, to move into, if you will, the driver's seat? >> absolutely. i think it's really on us to

shape our own narratives and stories and become the people who are, as you said, in charge and making these decisions, because then we can set the salaries, we can dictate the rules, so that power shift and dynamic, we have to grab hold of it. it's really, you know, do it yourself kind of mentality. >> boot strapping. melissa, how is the pipeline for those that might be able to represent these ideologies that we're talking about? >> the pipeline is great. there are so many women out there ready to work and so many people of color. it's just about the lack of opportunities that they have. so we need to see diverse stories. there are a lot of women producing their own stuff now, viola davis, reese witherspoon. they are making their own stories, putting myself in that narrative. >> thank you both. melissa silverstein, brian yang stopping by. appreciate both of your perspectives. in our next hour, more reaction to president trump's meeting with vladimir putin. the issue of election meddling

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hi, i'm richard lui at msnbc headquarters in new york city. president trump using twitter to talk about his time at the g20 summit in hamburg, germany. among the president's comments, his take on his meeting with russian president vladimir putin, saying, "the g20 summit was a great success for the u.s., explained the u.s. must fix the many bad trade deals it has made." also, "putin and i discussed forming an impenetrable cybersecurity unit so that election hacking and many other negative things would be guarded." the suggestion of teaming with russia has drawn immediate criticism this morning, though. >> i don't think we can expect the russians to be any kind of a credible partner in some cybersecurity unit. i think that would be dangerously naive for this country if that's our