american public support it this thing is a stinker. >> i thank you both for your spir sit conversation. >> thank you. >> thanks for staying with us here on msnbc. stay tuned. we'll have more updates throughout the evening right here on msnbc. opposition research, documents and information from a foreign government or foreign national. plain and simple. criminal conspiracy to defraud the united states, impeding the lawful administration of a federal election or to make an offense against the united states, cyber crimes, hacking against u.s. citizens, the clinton campaign. conspiracy to with respect to espionage r. so we need to follow the facts and what did the rest of the family know and when did they know it.

>> that was house minority leader nancy pelosi on friday running down a list of laws she believes may have been broken when donald trump jr., jared kushner and paul manafort met with russians after an e-mail offer of information from the russian government designed to damage hillary clinton's campaign. of all those trump campaign officials who could be in legal jeopardy because of that meeting only jared kushner is currently a white house official with a high level security cleernls of the and he now is under increased scrutiny for obtaining that clearance without notifying the fbi of all of his foreign contacts. in fact, kushner changed the disclosure form detailing his contacts with foreign officials three times. according to reporting from yahoo's ills acough kushner's original application filed on january 18th mentioned no meetings with foreign government officials. a mistake his lawyer pend on a staff member who supposedly hit the send button before the form was complete. when he finally got around to hitting send again nearly four months later in may, his

meetings with foreign officials went from zero to more than 100. however s one meeting not included on that second try list was the one with the russian lawyer and the former russian tell us officer and his brother-in-law done junior and paul manafort at trump tower last june. that update didn't happen until three weeks ago on june 21 after kushner's lawyer supposedly discovered the now infamous e-mail from pop star manager turned fixer rob gold stone. kushner's questionable transparency is a brinl too far for houls democrats who joined representative pelosi inish oig this demand. >> i also call to the revoking of the security clearance for jared kushner. it's absolutely ridiculous that he should have that clearance. >> and joining me now is texas congressman al green who this week filed an article of impeachment against donald trump. and repetitive green, firstful all, let's talk about leader pelosi's bill of particulars

against the trump campaign. are any of those things included in your proffer of an article of impeachment? >> actually, let me start by saying that mr. kushner is the de fac de facto secretary of state. he seems to have an inordinate amount of influence. and a person with such influence has to be judged by the influence that he has. he should not be in the position he's in. and quite frankly, he should have his security clearance suspended or revoked. i agree with speaker pelosi said. my articles of impeachment are going to deal with obstruction of justice. and they deal with obstruction of justice in a political sense because, quite candidly speaking, many of the scholars that have been on programs have confused me. because they've used a legal standard for impeachment. and if you'll go to federalist

65, you'll find that the standard for impeachment has more to do with politics than it has to do with a judicial standard. so i won't have this particular instance in, but i will have some things that will meet the standards outlined in federalist 65. >> so this has to do, i'm assuming, with the firing of jim comey that donald trump's own actions after russia gate had already taken place. is that what you're talking about? >> exactly. mr. comey was fired. the president confessed on national television on prime time he made it clear that this was being done because of the investigation. he went on to intimidate him with a tweet. these are things that are impeachable. when these things are all added up, they're impeachable. the president has to come before the bar of justice, and the only place that that bar of justice exists is the house of representatives. each member of the house can file a resolution for impeachment. i was proud to join

representative cher man with his articles of impeachment. but i will be filing articles, unless, of course, the judiciary committee acts on what's been filed already. and if thshd, then there won't be a need. >> that's the question, though. do you think there's any chance at all that the republican controlled house of representatives is going to ever impeach this president? >> well, the house of representatives has to have the opportunity, and for them to have the opportunity, somebody has got to have the courage to file impeachment articles such that there can be a vote. so if the senate judiciary committee doesn't bring this to the house, then i or any other member can bring articles of impeachment to the floor. and then it won't be about democratic. it will be about democracy, government by the people for the people. it won't be about the republicans. it will be about the rep and whether we can keep what benjamin franklin said we had and that is a republic. i love my country. i'll do it because it's a

question of conscious. i don't know how many people will vote for impeachment, exceptic assure there will be one. i will. >> all right. well -- >> may i add one additional comment, please, if i may. >> certainly. >> this additional comment. with reference to mr. kushner and this meeting that took place, there is one significant fact that we have to address, and that is there is enough probable cause here for a grand jury to investigate. if the special counsel is doing his job, either he will have agents talking to mr. kushner or he will have a grand jury looking into this. there is probable cause for a grand jury to look into it, and any prosecutor who says there is not probable cause is an outlier or an out right liar because the probable cause clearly exists. >> all right. congressman al green. thank you very much for your thoughts, sir. appreciate it. >> thank you. >> thank you. now i want to bring in my panel.

david, i'm going to ask you about impeachment in a second, but i want to quickly ask you about this sf 86 issue. the idea by the kushner team that the reason his first filing in january had no foreign contacts listed on it was because an aid exactly hit send, does that seem credible to you? >> it's just outrageous. and you can't just look at one of these instances in sing later. look at the totality of everything that's happened. and it's frankly an insult that this man still has a clearance. i mean, look, joy, at the end of the day, if the president wants to come out and say there's two sets of standards. there's a set of standards that applies to my family, whether by marriage or approximate by blood, and there's a second set of standards that aapplies to r one else he should come out and say that. but if we have one set of standards then he should be held to the standard that everyone else is. i'll just say this last thing. if you're a police officer and god for gid you're involved in a

shooting. regardless of whether the outcome of the shooting is justified, your gun is taken until the investigation is done. this is a similar thing. regardless of whether jared kushner is going to be charged with anything, he eventually will be found guilty or innocent, he's the subject of an investigation. this is the time to remove his clearance. anyone else would have lost their clearance a long long time ago. and i have to say, it just sets two standards. and at the core of the presidency that seems to be the modus operandi of the trump trump administration. >> and david, yet you see nothing has happened. and republicans have called it a stunt for democrats to ask for it had been -- there despite the fact that investigators into the trump affair are now probing whether jared kushner's digital operation he was running for the campaign might have been involved in the dissemination of hacked material or russian prop began da. it was reported that congress is potentially asking whether

kushner has been going around seeking bailouts, seeking russian money to bail out 666 fifth avenue which we know is deeply in debt and which could be some of the source of the russians interest in him because that could be a vulnerability. and yet there is no sign that either there will be an impeachment of donald trump. republicans are basically saying there's nothing wrong with chewing. and there's no sign that jared kushner will lose his security clearance. what do you make of it? >> the republicans have clearly made a calculation. they will abide by anything. and i mean anything. maybe even donald trump going on fifth avenue and shooting someone as he once discussed, in order to get tax cuts for the rich, are budget cuts for the floor and a repeal of obamacare. they will not take any steps against donald trump or any -- or even criticize him beyond maybe a mild rebuke because it will threaten their policy agenda that i just outlined. i mean, to me the big picture this week that came out of this was not the meeting itself,

which may or may not have led to negative information being passed. we certainly can't believe anything that anyone who is in the meeting says since they've lied about it repeatedly. but to me the big thing was is here is clear evidence that a putin krony, the national prosecutor in moscow, conspired with donald trump's business partner in moscow to get negative information to the trump campaign through elm anyone and rob gold stone. we've talked about that. and that don junior, jared kushner and paul manafort came running and eagerly joined you have to call it a conspiracy. and then they continued to lie about it. and then when russia was accused of mucking about and mejdsing in the election, they knew that was true to some extent, and they continued to say no. so they protected, they protected putin's spir editorial

operation against america. so it doesn't even matter what happened at the meeting itself. it might. but that's the big picture here. and republicans in congress refuse to acknowledge that because tax cuts and repealing obamacare are just more important to them. >> yeah. and, you know, scott, now having known about the veselnitskaya for a year now and talking about all this spy stuff with them, it's obvious that if there was a vul neither for jared kushner specifically and maybe even for the trump family, money feels like it's a part of it. to go back to this nbc news scoop on june 5th that one of the questions he's going to be asked is whether he tried to set up a secret back channel way of communicating with the russians so he could find someone in moscow to take the tower at 666 fifth avenue off his family's hands. he's even apparently tried to muscle consult ter for money, for loans, et cetera. what do you make of the sort of

business side, money side, money need aspect of russia gate? >> it seems like they have no moral standard when it comes to what kind of money they're willing to accept and what kind of money they're not willing to accept. and i think it's coming back to haunt them now. they think that the rules don't apply to them. they think the rule of the law in america don't apply to them. and i'll tell you, when it comes down to it, most of these people are guilty when it comes to the court of public opinion, especially with trump. so if it comes to impeachment for trump, i think it's pretty simple. he's guilty in the court of public opinion, and i think when you make it clear that it's a political opportunity for us to make sure that we actually can impeach r. when it comes to this money, i think most of it is dirty money. it's mood money when it comes down to it. this is disgusting, you know. these are people who are gang members, are mob members, who deal with human trafficking and just an hornt things.

and it's not something that's representative much our democracy. and he's just blowing everything that the united states has been built for of the past few hundred years. >> you're talking about on the russia side, of course, the mob stuff on the russia side. >> right. >> and yet, sarah, the impugnity with dh donald trump has been able to do all of this, he's making money off of being president, these meetings we just keep finding about more and more and more russia meetings. the one with jared kushner saying he wanted a secret back channel, secret communications. there seems to be nothing so outrageous that it causes a political reaction. you talk a lot about awe to come raes. isn't this the essence of it that the leader can get away with literally everything? >> yeah. and they're very braz enabout it. they're blat ent about it on purpose and that's to instill a sense of helplessness in the population. they're basically saying we know that you know what we did and there's nothing you can do. and they've continued to do this in this way. when donald trump jr. released those e-mails on i twitter, that

was a sign that he blooes quite possibly they won't face repercussions. and if trump hals consolidated executive power. if he has the ability to -- aren't going to act to actually prosecute people when evidence comes in, then, yeah, they do have, you know, a kind of immunity from consequence. and that's an absolute tragedy for american democracy. that either party should consider. there's no future for the republican party in this kind of system. you're looking at an agnostic krem to come raes in which republican leaders will be denied the opportunity and the ability to advance their positions and careers because they'll be sub serve yant to trump and his kremlin colleagues. that's a terrible situation for this country. >> and, you know, you had all of this also happening when -- it's not clear that the russians actually even had anything significant to give, that they simply dang he would the possibility that they would get hillary clinton's 33,000 e-mails

and got all of this access. . >> that's absolutely right. look, just by taking this meeting, that was enough to hold something over the trump campaign and programs trump himself. and there seems to be a pattern here. we see with this meeting, with the peter smith where the potential that the russians pushed out this idea that they had hillary clinton's 33,000 e-mails, i mean, look, at the end of the day, and peter smith took that back. and we see then donald trump go on national tv and saying in two separate occasions, once after this meeting with donald junior saying that there's going to be dirt coming out in the future press release and then secondly going and asking russia to release these 33,000 e-mails and saying that they'll be might ill rewarded. it's so clear that the russians completely manipulated the trump team and just over acted on them. and i have to say, the last thing here, i mean, there's just a level of sleaze that the

people that the russians used, the people that were able to get in this trump circle is fascinating and both shocking. at this point i wouldn't be surprised to hear that scott bayo is driving the uber and they stopped at a subway with -- it's crazy. >> i'm going to give have you the last word on this because the question is is it that the trump people were easily manipulated or they were actively attempting to use russian intelligence to get their -- >> yeah. i don't think they were manipulated. you have trump's business partner in moscow. he did miss universe with. he was trying to do towers with coming through elm anyone who trump had a very warm father-son relationship with. and that was part of the conspiracy. i hope at the end of the day that, you know, we may have to rely on what robert mueller does and whether he gets to the bottom of this or not. not sure we can depend on the congressional investigations, but i think if there were crimes are broken, i think elhave a good beat on this. and we still don't know what

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so really i think we're keeping obamacare as much as anything, and that's not our promise. >> i find myself unable to support the bill. >> with susan collins and rand paul firmly in the no column for opposite reasons, mitch mcconnell cannot afford to lose one more vote on his healthcare bill. one more republican says no and it's over. and yet no one has stepped up. even though several senators say that they have concerns about the bill, it still cuts medicaid by more than a third over 20 years. it still eliminates funding for planned parenthood for aee. it now includes language from

ted crews that would allow insurers to offer bear bone plans which could ultimately mean massive premium hikes for 1.5 million people with pre-existing conditions. and still no republican senator is willing to go on the record and put the final nail in trumpcare's coffin. joining me now howard dean, donna edwards and editor in chief jud leg ham t. thank you guys for being here. and representative edwards, i want to go to you first because you very moveingly came out this past week and talked about your own health care experience and the fact that your former colleagues could theoretically be taking health care away from you. could you explain. >> i did. a year ago in june, actually june 22nd i was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis and in the year time period in trying to get my hands around this disease, one of the things i've discovered is that first i've had to cobra my coverage since i came out of congress in january,

2017. that cost about 8 hundreds a month. but the real quicker is that my care runs to about a hundred dollar,000 a year, including $77,000 as part of my prescription drugs. and what i know is that at the end of my cobra coverage in june 2018 stid planned to transition to the afordable care act because it would be affordable and i'd continue to be able to get my health care. and what i know is that under this senate bill, certainly under the house bill, i have a pre-existing condition. that's one of the most expensive for chronic, long-term care, that i will be left in the lurj just like millions of people with care that is astronomical in cost or completely unaffordable. and so i just decided to raise my voice on behalf of millions of people to my former colleagues who know me. they know me as an at looet, i played congressional softball with them, with football, tennis

and very active bike rider. and i will no longer have health care. and i didn't know a year ago that i had this condition, but i have it now. and i think it's important for all of us to speak out, to contact our senators and to really let them know the disaster that this version of so-called better care will have on all of us. >> yeah. and, you know, it's interesting, howard dean, and luckily we have a doctor in-house who can talk about this as well as a former governor. yet despite what you just heard from donna edwards, the enact that she didn't know she had a pre-existing condition until just last year. now she has one. this cruz amendment, what it would do despite that fact being real for millions of americans would say that people like donna edwards would be shud off into this one small group of people with pre-existing conditions who get this catastrophic care that's obamacare compliant and then everyone else would be able to buy these bare bones, bear

minimum mums plans. you have this unprecedented, insure certificates actually coming out, a rare joint letter from america's health insurance plans, blue cross blue shield association that was sent last night to mitch mcconnell and chuck schumer about this ted cruz amendment that would create this helper cologne with very experience insurance and cheaper insurance for those that are unhealthy. the undermine protections for those with pre-existing medical conditions. have you ever seen, first of all, a letter like that come out from insurers and what do you make of that as the compromise, putting all of the people with pre-existing conditions and who have illnesses in one insurance basket? >> well, with first let me thank donna for her courage and i really appreciate you getting out there. because putting a face on the problem of trumpcare is important, and especially a well-known face. so thank you.

secondly, you know, this is not as my home state senator pat leahy said. this is really a tax bill disguised as ael health bill. what these guys is trying to give money to people like donald trump and their donors. they can't pay for the tax cuts unless they destroy bng. so they're taking health care away from pool people and middle class people in order to pay for an enormous tax cut for the richest people in america, donald trump's good friends and donors. i find that disgusting. i think the republican party has basically become a bankrupt institution. they're not he can spooing up for the country. they're speaking up for themselves. there are four or five senators who know this is a disaster. this is a complete disaster for west virginia, which has one of the highest medicaid depend siz in the country. they're going to get drastically cut. dean heller, this is 122,000 people are going to lose their health insurance as a result of what dean heller does if he supports this bill coming to the floor. and it goes on down the road.

so i find the republican party to be morally bankrupt s. they don't give a damn about their constituents. they just care about their donors. they certainly don't give the damn about the integrity of elections. and i long for the day of great republicans who did what was rate for the country and not what was right for the party. >> at least for their own states and constituents. the way that mitch mcconnell has attempted to, you know, o these senators is this menu of changes. these are some of the changes to the health bill. it would allow insurers to offer the cruz amendment fewer tax duts to the rich of the they provide $45 billion, which doesn't sound like a lot of money in a trillion dollar budget for opioid addiction coverage. health savings accounts to pay for premiums which i don't know who can save up extra money for health care. and this is what mike pence came out yesterday and said about pre-existing conditions about the donna edwards of the world. take a listen. >> legislation ensures that

every american with pre-existing conditions has access to the coverage and care they need. no exceptions. >> jud, is that true? >> it's not true, and the way the cruz amendment operates, it's gone from a bill that was always cruel and now it's really incoherent. one of the things that's not being talked about a lot is these bare bones plans don't actually count as under the bill continuous insurance. so if you are on one of these bare bones plans and then you find, well, actually, i need to go into a real plan that covers this new condition that i found out that i have, you have to wait six months to get in. so this could be really devastating for people with pre-existing conditions. and of course, the other huge problem is that the cost to get into the pools that will now cover pre-existing conditions,

now that all of the healthy people are being diverted out into these bare bones plans is going to be enormous. so many people will just simply get priced out of the market. so on a couple of different scores, you know, peps is saying people with pre-existing conditions will be covered. it's want true. he's also saying the purpose of this bill is to protect medicaid and it cuts $800 billion from medicaid. so i'm is not sure we can really trust mike pence at this point to be honest about what the bill says. >> have you been able to get through to any of your republican colleagues to talk to them about your situation and toe appeal to them to be the no vote? >> well, you know, one of the reasons that i wrote the op he had is because as a former member and recently out, i'm actually prohibited from lobbying legislation. but i wrote the op he had because i wanted them to hear my story. i mean, if i had had one of these simple bare bones plans in may of 2016, by the time i was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis in june of 2016 i

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did the new york military academy do that for you or were you always like that? >> i think, and maybe this is a parts of the book and what's happening.

i think that people tend to be what they are. people either have it or they don't have it. >> people tend to be what they are. one of the most enduring television personalities, some might call him the father of daytime talk shows interviewed donald trump 30 years ago, just after the release of the art of the deal. and joining me is the great phil donahue. >> i look like i just made my first communion right there. >> well, i'm both excited and intimidated. so thank you for being here. it has been a dream come true to get you on the show. i want to ask you about that interview. so you interviewed donald trump in 1987. >> he was on the show three times. >> but this interview came at a very interesting year, in my view, in donald trump's life. he was really pushing the reagan administration to make him sort of russian ambassador. when you spoke to him back then, did you see a potential future president, someone your -- >> are you serious? >> yeah. >> oh, not even in a million years. well, who did?

i thought he was a hotdog. and, you know, i kind of gave him a little spitfire. in that interview i said i think i like your father better than you. but he held up all right. i wasn't nasty or mean. but he really -- he reached out. he worked hard to -- he collected celebrities and made a lot of noise and got his name on a lot of buildings. and where were we when that happened? why didn't you think of that, joy? >> well, you know, it's interesting because i feel when people say donald trump has changed so much. to me he seems the same. if you go back to the 80s and you listen to him talk, you listen to him talk now, he's sort of the same guys. and one of the ways that he's the same is he did have -- you talked to him about loyalty. i want to play another clip of it. and this is about donald trump's loyalty. and this was a question you asked him about roadway cohn, the infamous roy cohn being his

lawyer during that federal case that the nixon administration brought for racial discrimination in his father's buildings. >> loyalty. and loyalty is a great tralt. in my opinion it's a great trait. it's a trait that can maybe cause problems. >> so now you see this guy demanding loyalty there jim comey, demanding -- his son essentially trying to take the fall for him. what do you make of it? >> same old, same old. >> yeah. >> he's very -- and he can't handle, obviously, anyone who disagrees. >> right. >> how about the cabinet meeting where everybody like bobbleheads, am i great, am i great? yes, you are. i mean, that was -- >> yeah. >> icky. i mean, anybody who was capable of that and didn't see the horror of demanding this kind of public proximate cause la magsz of loyalty. just total fidelity to the king.

>> yeah. and, you know, one of the things, you know, that i guess the media missed during the campaign, that you had to sort of be a trump supporter to get is that he did even back in the 1980s make this appeal to a certain kind of american who feels put upon by foreigners, put upon by, you know, people of color, whatever it is they're put upon by. and this is donald trump back in 1987 talking about japan and other countries ripping off the country. take a listen. >> kuwait r saudi arabia, they're ripping off this country and i don't like seeing it. other countries have to pay us for the services we're rendering or this country is going to go right down the tubes. >> that is no different than his campaign appeal, no different. >> and that's a variation on the theme that i think earned him so much voting power, enough to become president. he would go to these -- i wonder, who are these people under the -- you know, when he walks out and the big rallies.

>> yeah. >> and they have their iphones up here taking his picture and you can see the back. who were these people? and i think mainstream elite media as he would say also missed this story. these were people who work hard, aren't sure their company isn't going to be sold, kids can't get a job, they're home watching espn, can't get the minimum wage raised. >> yeah. >> beyond $10 an hour. and he comes out in that rally, clapping, and he says you're being ripped off. and niece people said yes! and that was what put him in the white house. and i think so-called, as he would call it, mainstream media, missed, largely missed that

story. not bernie, but most of the mainstream media really didn't get that. >> and now that everyone is caught up and realized it, oh, yeah, he definitely has this strong appeal, do you think there's anything that could break trump voters from him? there's a recent piece out in which a trump voter says well, i guess if he killed someone in cold blood, i'd change my mind. >> i mean, really -- well, he can shoot a gun down fifth avenue, right. >> yeah. yeah. and get away with it. >> yeah. and all of a sudden we've got a crouch grabber for a president. >> yeah. >> this is the darkest political moment in american history. who is going to argue that? >> and i'm wondering too because one of the things about that period in the 80s was there was sorted of a certain dallas and dynasty culture, the love of sbreb rit. and this is donald trump also in your interview talking about his book sales, because the art of the deal had come out which tony swarts actually wrote but he took credit for. this is donald trump talking about his book sales.

>> the front page of the wall street journal today tells us they're printing a hundred thousand copies. you said there were 200. exaggerating, mr. hype. >> no. i'll tell you truthfully i thought it was 200 and i think it will be 200. i don't know what it is exactly. a guess. >> hiepg and lying. two things again have also not changed. >> do you think americans kind of like a hype man. >> absolutely. he's an antidottie to what they see as the pom positivesty of mainstream media, people on television. they know stuff you don't know. and they're fed up with it. and we're not talking about them. his name is bu gentleman beneficiary. he's the mayor of south bend, indiana. he is saying my constituents are

saying what about me? >> well, you know, but this is the question i have whenever i hear that. don't we talk about these folks all the time? there have been so many stories of this particular trump voter staying soulfulel out a window that i think you can print an entire new york times of just that picture. we talk about them every day. had there are polls about them every week. we're constantly talking about these people. how can they feel not talked about? we talk about them every day? >> well, this is a hard point to make because it is true. not everything sucks. i mean, there are -- i've had howard stern on my show, so i'll watch my language. it is true, a lot of good work going on. and not all the media deserves to be criticized. i see these women in iraq and afghanistan with the helmets and i think holely cow, what if their parents are watching. daddy will get you a job at starbucks. and it was true. it wasn't totally ignored, but

it wasn't hit with all the same graphics and computer an nation. trump trump trump trump trump such a magnet that i think they were overlooked, and i think they have a right to say what about me, because i don't think media dug deep enough to see the pain out there, the broken hearts, the disappointments, the people who believed in america, went to church every sunday and sang in the choir. and i think they were ignored, i just do. >> i have one last question, because your interview took place the same year that donald trump took out this full-page add in "the new york times," boston globe and other places. there's nothing wrong with america's foreign defense policy of the it was an oech letter slamming ronald reagan essentially but also putting forth this prorussia line back then. had what do you make of the fact that you have a significant

share of republicans who are okay with an american president colluding with russia. >> i think easel vis. i don't think they will tolerate many of the base will not tolerate a criticism of him. i mean, if he can talk to billy -- when he got off the bus. >> billy bush. >> if he can talk that way, if they accept that. >> yeah. >> and also, this is distant from them. this doesn't speak to their heart. and i think -- honestly, i don't think he can be impeached right now. i think it's too dangerous for a member of congress to vote for impeachment and upset a significant number of his own constituency. it's a third rail. he could risk his own re-election. >> yeah. well, phil donahue, it is such a treat to talk to you. >> my pleasure. >> thank you so much for taking

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this week, the crown jewel of women's golf teed off at the trump national golf club in new jersey. it's where trump spends many of his weekends, and in fact, he's there now. the president managed to peel himself away from twitter to make a cameo at the women's open yesterday and he is expected

there again today. despite protests against holding the preeminent women's tournament at a course owned by someone who has bragged about groping women, the usga has rejected calls to move the open off trump's course. joining me now is shawna thomas, cofounder of ultraviolet. and shawna, thank you for being here. the spectacle of any kind of sporting event being held on the grounds of a course owned by the president of the united states, with the president of the united states presiding, feels very unlike what america is like. your thoughts? >> i agree with you, but in this case, in the case of donald trump, it almost doesn't matter if he's president or not. the usga associating themselves with donald trump and forcing women to play on his golf course is absolutely shameful. in our view.

you know, they're requiring these women to contribute to building up his brand and endorsing what you described in your opening as a long history of sexual assault and abuse. >> yeah. multiple women have made accusations that donald trump groped them or touched them inappropriately. he's on tape, saying he's a celebrity, because he can grab women by the genitals. it is outrageous, having him presiding over a women's golf tournament. but there is this other counterpoint, that according to "usa today," the u.s. golf association executive director mike davis told members of his executive committee that donald trump threatened to sue the organization if it moved the 2017 u.s. women's open from trump national golf club, according to a person with direct knowledge of the meeting. donald trump threatens to sue a lot. he doesn't always do it. but do you think that lawsuit threat is why they're going ahead with it? >> it very well may be, but i have to tell you, there are hundreds, thousands, perhaps, of

people that have been threatened by lawsuits. i have personal friends that have been threatened by the trump organization. and because they believe more in their values and distancing themselves, they've stood by their decision and moved forward. we don't know the details of the threat, of course. it could very well have been logistically impossible for them to move it. what they could have done is say, we have to have this tournament, we're moving forward with it, but after this, we won't be associating ourselves with the trump brand any longer. and what they've done instead is defend their decision every time they've been confronted with what they're doing. >> yeah. so, we know that recent ll lly daly posted photos of himself visiting the oval office, he posted "great day at the white house seeing one of my great friends, donald trump." john daly tweeted that lpga golfer brittany lincicome is one of the few golfers who spoke

out, saying she hoped trump stayed away from the open so the spotlight is on the players, not him. when she asked daly to golf at her tournament, he said, "tough to do things when people down one of my great friends. sorry, some things shouldn't be said." so, essentially, you have a male pro golfer siding with donald trump against women. i mean, what -- is there -- i don't know, is there any solidarity there in the golf world for women golfers? >> evidently, there isn't. this isn't about whether you like donald trump, it's about what we represents. what he has said hums aboimself who he is, a sexual predator. they had an opportunity to come to the defense of women golfers, who, frankly, don't have the leverage and are not in a position to force the usga to do anything. and they didn't. they did the exact opposite. they sided with trump, they untim dated the women players and, you know, essentially, they're endorsing this hor rofic, frankly, behavior and

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