good morning, erin, i'm alex witt here at msnbc world headquarters. it is day 178 of the trump administrati administration. new polls this morning as the president approaching six months in office. plus, repeal, replace, and now delay senators forcing the debate. >> the republicans have not held one public hearing and all of their deliberations are behind closed doors.

>> a direct message to two of his colleagues on the gop health care bill. connecting the dots on the donald trump junior meeting with a russian lawyer. >> and politics and breaking jou, john mccain is recovering from surgery to remove a bloat clot from above his left eye. the procedure was done friday after a routine visit to his doctor and he is recuperating well. it comes after a crucial time when they cannot afford to close any more support fr. but brian sandoval says he still

does not support the bill after meeting one on one with vice president pence. >> i'm not there yet, i'm still evaluating it. i'm concerned about what i perceive to be a different cost. >> meanwhile, senator bernie sanders is pressuring against his opponents to push against the bill. >> the republicans have refused to have one public hearing and all of their deliberations are behind closed doors. i say to senators grassley and ernst if you don't believe me, listen to every other major health care organization in this

country. >> and president trump is facing fallout from a meeting, a new apc washington poll shows approval at 36%. that is a record low in the history of the poll. a new nbc wall street journal poll shows the 49 counties that flipped from barack obama to trump. so the lacest now, let's go to kelly, what's on the president's agenda for today? >> good to be with you, we're in new jersey in part because the president is attending the golf

tournament at his course nearby. we're expecting to watch more of the competition there. a surprise change in respect to the health care bill. it was the plan to try to vote ton this week and time is not necessarily a friend to this measure. they are trying to push it through. they are butting a rot of pressure to get this past. but he had unplanned surgery to clear a blood clot. they have to delay the vote. the patrick swayze hat not yet comments with people on twitter. it is clear his frustration is coming out. he is aused of disporting democracy. >> the biggest attract not on

the green. as the first sitting president to attend the u.s. open. but he is also teed off about the fate of health care reform. >> i want to tell you the republican senators are working hard. >> mitch mcconnell announced late last night that they will defer consideration of the health care bill. a signal that every vote is precious and the bill's future is still uncertain. at a young conservative's conference vice president mike pence insisted the senate needs a final puch. >> kres cueing the american

people from this disastrous policy. >> and the campaign meeting attended by jared kushner and paul manafort. trump's personal lawyer will be maeki maeki maeking -- making the rounds. >> and more tweets today about the notion of him having personal lawyers with him. including one today where he references hillary clinton says she can illegally get the

questions to the debate and delete 33,000 e-mails and my son don is being scored by the fake news media. so far no comment about the te lay in the health care bill, something that is very significant from the trump white house. republicans campaigned to repeal and replace obama care. alex? >> thank you, kelly, for that. let's get more now on the russia probe. an msnbc contributor. what do you make on don junior's meeting. was it a classic russian intelligence operation? >> yes, and we don't know the

whole story. they say it looked like a dangle, like a test, to see if he would be working together, but we don't know because the e-mail he received that promised him to take the meeting, and it's as if don junior unz this was a given that the russian government was supporting his father and mr. trump. i know you probably have more questions, but i keep thinking about ronald reagan when he found out the law had been broken, the money coming out of the sale of weapons to riern, it was being channelled to

nicarag nicaragua, and that was against the law, once he found out it was against the law, he gave a speech. >> is there any chance that they would not let the russian government know or get their blessing? >> it is clear from the e-mail where the meeting was questioned and she was referred tos ha as russian government lawyer, that she was bringing something she had been given by the russian government. this informs is what she was supposed to show up with. we know from one of the additional people, that we just found out is in the meeting, this russian american, that

there was some kind of folder given to donald trump junior with that information. >>. >> so i want to ask you about that information. would that make sense in this case? a meeting like this. he was trying to see how far they could get. >> they would probably try to work up to a relationship. to the big thing they may want to offer in terms of information. we know after this meeting that donald trump himself came out and said i have a speech i'll make on monday.

so the time line is suspicious, but i think the most significant aspect of the meeting is that trump loved it he said he was willing to work with this adversarial government. i don't want to scream here, but this is not the government of france, this is not the british government. they decided it was an adversarial relationship with the united states. >> what does the russian government get out of this? is it endrapment, why would they do this? >> they would like influence ov overit formally or informally. their number one objective is to

have interaction. they want the sanctions lifted as part of that and that is a big thing for the united states to give them. what do we see in the exchange? >> so a 28 year veteran, they said this meeting might now have enough information to leak in drips to embarrass and frustrate the president. >> clearly they have looking for a long time. what kind of ego they have. the business ties they have. it could be a wronger operation. they're trying to do harm to the united states. >> there is plenty that we don't know, duh is it reasonable to

think that russia has compromising information on any of these actors? >> it doesn't matter what your party affiliation is. if they decide that i want to weapon size information they have. they will weapon size it against you. >> can you see it playing out in can you predict? >> it's hard to predict. there is so much smoke that we can almost see the fire. we really need the investigations to move on. we still need an independent, 911 commission that can tell the people the whole story. i'm not sure if they can do that on the hill or coming from the fbi and it is important for the professionals to explain why

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the president's son clearly new he was deing derogatory information and he laid out a time table to use it.

>> that is jim hymns of connecticut. joining me now is jonathan allen. and josh barrow. a senior editor at "business insider." i will start with both of you now. your reaction to what he said there, is it too far? >> what he said was that collusion is not a specific legal offense and that it is collusion and that donald trump junior was told he would be given information to sport donald trump, and he said i love it. so he was in some form trying to lewd with the russians.

blornt other things were done around that, what is the important question here is not whether or not it was a crime, but it was serious wrong doing to the united states. more than it is a legal matter. >> i want to get to the headlines, why do we assume nothing came from donald trump junior's meeting. why do we assume nothing came of the meeting and they would want us to be think nothing cage from the meeting. so go on further, at the end, you say. the music publicist, a meeting,

this is part of russian government efforts to support trump, and he doesn't blink at that, he doesn't even seem surprised. what efforts are you talking about, seeming to know precisely what rob goldstein was talking about. he took the meeting as a courtesy, as an acquaintance. but why spribring two of the mo important people on the campaign to come. apparently he thought it would be important. so it certainly seems like they expected something coming into the meeting, i don't know why we

would a assume that nothing came out of it. >> so he believes collusion, are any meetings off of the record beginning to believe that as well prepare there now no dots to second? >> they don't believe it is collusion. not on a legal level, but on laymen's terms. there is a secret agreement here. they are trying to work before going out, and beyond that, the russians wanted to help elect trump and donald trump himself solicited russian help in doing that. and we are getting the details. >> the president's personal attorney there has opinion

hitting the sunday talkshows. he has know knowledge until the news started to surface of it, but does he have applaudable denyability? >> now, how would he know other than what trump told him. it is easy to say if you have just been brought on but in definitive confidence that the president didn't know it about this stuff, it seems pretty strongly likely that he didn't know. let's talk about a new poll from the washington post. 50% prefer obama care.

24% the republican bill, 17 president neither or nothing. and 9% don't care. is it possible that public entiblt. the sentiment has changed now if you can people who are the sort of people that vote in republican primaries you would get a majority. she has an initiative among republican voters. say are better off voting for this bill, we saw that dean heller started do a an -- trying to put pressure from the right.

they go into a general election, and they have a defend the policy. they step in over a number of years. unlike in the house, a lot of the senators are not even up this year, someone was concerned, they are starting to effect their state budgets. it will boomerang around them. i think it has been difficult. >> the delay for a week now, is it likely to help or hurt mitch mckonld's efforts? >> the longer it sits out, the more likely it is to get

defeated. it was to prevent hearing from constituents that are not and with the bill. the worst possible thing and the next to worse possible thing is a competition between passing this thing and having to defend it. they really painted themselves into a corner here for how the mccabe -- mccain surgery will affect this bill. >> thank you so much. no day of rest for trump's attorney today, he is making the rounds on all of the sunday shows, we'll see how he does defending his boss. a adjourn ti to history begins by a goal set forest by president kennedy. >> i believe this nation should try to achieve itself. ♪

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welcome back, everyone. i'm alex witt here, it is 33 past the hour. new reaction moments ago from one of president trump's person lawyers making every effort he could to distance himself from his son, seasonal, and former campaign leader. here is what they said in two

separate interviews recently. >> with regard to how the information came out. that was information that was controlled not by my client, not by the president, but by donald trump junior. they made a decision how to release that out. the president was not involved in that decision. and donald trump junior said he disclosed several aboabout the . so from our perspective, my answer stands. the president was not engaged in this or aware of it. >> let's bring in bruce levell, hello to you. i want to talk about how bill flores is suggesting what are distractions from his agenda. >> i think it would be in the

president's best interest to remove all of the children from the white house. not only donald trump but ivanka and jared kushner. i wish that he would do that so the white house can use professionals. >> i think it is healthy to have a family support structure around him. morally, and i don't see any conflict of interest whatsoever. i think it is an unfair statement. what happened to the time that we, as americans and parts of some media did not attack the president's children. there has to be a level of restoring that et quit iquette coming after children. >> it's different, bruce, they're actors in the campaign.

they have clearances, they're working for the government. i talk with them all of the time about things and you don't see them on the set, but they certainly have influence, but we do it at home. but i'm getting back to the point of donald trump junior and the attacks coming on him unfairly. i have not even seen him in the white house, no one has, since the president took the office into to come after him and chastise the president's children is unfair totally. >> let's get to the nightly news report that is breaking down the exchange that lead to the meeting. >> june 3rd, a trusted associate e-mails him that one of donald trump's former business partners was contacted by a senior russian government official and

was offering the campaign that would incriminate hillary clinton and her dealings with russia saying it is high level and sensitive information, part of russia and the government's support for mr. trump. his reply is "if it's what you say, i love it." >> there are not too many ways in which the e-mails can be interrupted. he is interjecting himself into these exchanges. so is it plausible that he didn't understand what that offer should have been and it was suspect. >> i have been to trump tower many, many times. and you know, i will tell do you is like a revolving door. here is an interesting point here, too.

that is not as high as it goes. it happens in smaller city council races, congressional races. you want to hear them out, but in their defense to have a meeting where you walk right through downtown 5th avenue, through the elevator, you put cameras on the elevators in the campaign, and you camp out in front of them so you can see who is coming and going, why if anything had an appearance of impropriety, would he call a meeting in broad daylight, walk through the foyer. >> do your point, it's a revo e revolving door, you're right there is a lot of people to keep track of pip want to get to some numbers here that people were thinking with this abc washington post pull. just 30% of those polled believe

the president is making any significant progress on his agenda. 55% say he is not. overall where things stand, are you satisfied? >> totally, 800,000 plus jobs since he took the oath. look at what secretary price and ag found. they found a billion in fraud on the health care system. bleak teens from 16 to 19 years old, the lowest unemployment since 2000. it's incredible. i'm excited about it and i hope that america can get on board and stop buying into this illusion delusion of the "russian conspiracies" and let's get on board and get going with the president and the

administration. look at france and the comradery with the french president, all of the things taking place preponderate cease firing syria. negotiating those cease fires. 178 days, no president in the history of the united states has been this successful since donald trump. >> there is only one new major list of legislation passed. bruce, he said one of the first things he would do is repeal and replace obama care. >> and we're trying. with all due respect, unfortunately our congressmen and women are involved with pay to play and back door lobbyists. that is part of the swamp. in the campaign he really want today do something with obama

care. i'm a small business owner, 20% of my premiums went thup year, i'm one of millions of business owners that are dies from this. the president says once i take the oost, i will get out there and get this done. i won't kick the can down the road. you saw what happened. the plan on the table is a much, mu much. better plan to help the american people. >> i hope that senate republicans are listening to you. you flow are a lot on the fence. >> they need to do the right thing and if they don't they need challengers across the nation. >> i unfortunately have to cut this off or my producer will have a fit. thank you, though. up nekts one of the nati-- next of the most prominent people

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>> a candidate has the right to get information from whatever source they want. just like wikileaks and a newspaper publishing it. that is a first amendment right. >> that is a defense for donald trump junior. let's bring in russia from columbia law school. do you agree that this meeting is a first amendment issue? >> there is also plainly uncovered by campaign finance laws. but it is wrong to get support

for elections from foreign governments. and the support that the law takes about, contributions, goes beyond collars but also includes benefits and anything of value that could include information. >> how do you put a price on information? and value? >> lots of information gets priced. poll data, contact lists, membership lists. this one is harder to price because of the way it's done. not being traded on the open market, but it clearly has value. and that is, i think, things of value. there are issues here, but at least on it's face, the law would appear to cover this. >> there is question about whether or not trump junior read or understood the information. would that let him off of the hook. >> for one thing, the law covers

so list -- soliciting support. that alone could be enough to support soliciting. we don't know what they accepted. i have seen reports of a plastic folder with documents that may or may not have been taken or read. the fact that the information may not have been useful, and we don't note that either. that is not dispositive. >> almost beside the point. >> exactly. >> the buzz word collusion, people are pushing back saying it's not a crime. can it lead too a crime? can you okay plain that? -- explain that? >> it's like working together for a common goal. the campaign finance issue, were

they accepting or seeking support? working with the russians to get that support? were they working in different directions -- that, i would put the word collusion to one side and just to discuss the interactions that existed if they exited and there are some, and representatives of the russian government. >> in terms of jared kushner, he said he forgot to include the meetings with the russian nationals. if that is the case, is it a crime, and if you expect he intentionally left out those connections, how do you prove that? >> intentionally withholding information, oeshlly making a false filing. that's where it came up in his filing for a security clearance, that would raise a potential criminality, but it is very --

corrected the filings again and again. it becomes a bit of circumstantial evidence. there is, you could infer it, but it is hard to prove as your question suggested. >> it is so interesting going through the legal details with you. i appreciate it. >> one of the president's men talking about what they really care about? does he need to study the new polls or does he have a point? here's to the safety first... i think i might burst... totally immersed weekenders.

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the american that elected the president to be commander in chief, they know exactly what they're doing and they couldn't care less. this russia, russia collusion, dilution is irrelevant. people see the jobs coming back. they see the price of gas. they see the fact that this week we destroyed the califate. that should be the news. >> that is the adviser of the president downplaying the allegations of collusion with russia which continue to plague the administration today. let's bring in adrian alrod,

former director of strategic communications for hillary for america and robert tranum, an anybody anybody analyst. we welcome you. ladies first with you, adrian. does gorka have a point? how much does the average american care about this russia story line? >> look, i'm not sure that the average american out in the middle of america who's focused on raising families and providing for families every day cares as much. but what they do care about is the fact that donald trump is not focused on making their lives better. he's not focused on bringing back jobs to some of the flyover states. he's not focused on making all the campaign promise that's he ran on during the election cycle. this russia situation continues to drive the news that, is a distraction. they know that's a distraction from donald trump's ability to actually get anything done for them. >> what about your response, robert, to this? >> i think the saens much more nuance. it depends on what average american means f it's an average american in trump country, i

think gorka is probably right. they probably see this as just a major, major distraction in the mainstream press and liberals probably going after their president. i think if you were to ask perhaps maybe a bit more of an independent or centrist republican or a progressive american, they probably would say this is deeply concerning. and the reason why it's deeply concerning is for all the reasons that we're talking about in the context of, one, a president who refuses to acknowledge the fact that the election was tampered with by another foreign policy. full stop. i mean just stop there for a second. regardless of whether or not you think there is collusion with the russians, rarldless of whether or not you think donald trump jr. did something wrong, the fact is that all the intelligence communities are unite bid thinking that this was a direct attack on our democracy. >> all right. i want to get to new numbers. poll numbers released tout day with you, adrian first. 37% of those survey say that

democratic party stands for something. you have 52% saying that party just stands against president donald trump. to be fair, republicans probably had sim lab numbers during the entire last administration as well. that said, how have the democrats ended up here? they have somehow mishandled the last six months. have they done that since the president took office? >> i don't think that we -- the democrats have exactly mishandled the last six months. i think it's really hard to really drive a positive message in this current environment when donald trump is continuously blowing up the news cycle with his tweets, with more breaking news on the russia situation. we could go on and go on on this. but, look, i will say. this i do think that democrats have to take this resistance and turn it into a positive message at some point. right now we've got a very united resistance that you saw this in the health care vote on the house, you're seeing it again with the health care vote in the senate. every single democrat opposed obamacare repeal in both chambers. eventually, we have to get

throughout and be able to get our positive message out there about what democrats will do to improve the lives of americans and i think you'll see that going forward as our party continues to rebuild and we get closer to 2018 mid terms. >> so robert, the abc polls shows some waning support for the republican health care plan. in this case, 24% versus 50% who say they like the aca. why is the gop continuing to fight for it? >> because their base is screaming for this. it's because for the last eight years the republican party as you know, alex, said repeal or replace. the reality is -- and this is really important. when conservatives and when republicans specially in the house of representatives say my constituents are screaming for this, they want repeal, they're right because of the gerrymander districts. there is a deep red constituencies saying this is what we voted for. this is why we put new office. members of congress are very much, very much in favor of appealing this because that's

what is in the base. the reality is that -- the reality is that a lot of democrats and senators that represent purple states are not hearing the same thing. >> okay. adrian, robert, guys, thanks so much. that's a wrap for me this hour. up next, the congressman whose extraordinary actions ensure that e-mails from donald trump become a part of the nation's record. (flourish spray noise) (flourish spray noise) (flourish spray noise) (flourish spray noise)

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